[00:03] <MarkDude> Sure
[00:03] <MarkDude> I can make sure to have directions written before then
[00:03] <MarkDude> Oh, booze is expensive there
[00:03] <MarkDude> So sneaking some in is advised
[00:04] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q#Oakland_A.27s_Baseball_Game_.28Thursday.29
[00:18] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Oh
[00:18] <bkerensa> MarkDude: How far is the Coliseum?
[00:26] <MarkDude> a few stops
[00:27] <MarkDude> Also within easy walking distance of crack, and medicinal  options
[00:27] <pleia2> lol
[00:28] <MarkDude> Good loud music shows also
[00:28]  * MarkDude hopes at least one person early can go to the jono loud music show
[00:40] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Not so much interested in the crack or medicinal options... Some good Sushi perhaps :D
[00:42]  * erichammond wakes up.  Good sushi at UDS?!
[00:42]  * MarkDude will ask Courtney, she is the sushi expert out that way
[00:42] <pleia2> bkerensa: might want to come across the bay for it ;)
[00:45] <erichammond> I've never really seen San Francisco, so the tour sounds great to me.  I'm also up for nice dinners including sushi.  I'll be there the evenings of Wed, Thu, Fri.
[00:46] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah sushi in the castro is usually pretty tasty
[00:47] <pleia2> I had sushi for lunch, and sushi on sunday night for dinner
[00:47] <pleia2> I probably have all the mercury
[00:47] <pleia2> but is so tastey :d
[00:47] <pleia2> mmm heavy metals
[00:48] <erichammond> LA Weekly just ranked my favorite sushi restaurant as the second best in Los Angeles: http://www.laweekly.com/2012-04-19/eat-drink/sushi-los-angeles-top-10/
[00:48] <erichammond> Their choice for first place will cost you about $400.
[00:51] <bkerensa> Best Sushi in SF imho: http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/photos/large/osaka-sushi.jpg
[00:52] <bkerensa> Best Burrito: Taqueria Cancun
[00:52] <bkerensa> they closed the best tostada place :(
[02:12] <akk> Ooh -- going through dpkg -L unity*, I found /usr/share/gconf/defaults/10_unity-2d
[02:13] <akk> whose first line is: /desktop/unity-2d/launcher/favorites [ubiquity-gtkui.desktop,nautilus-home.desktop,firefox.desktop,libreoffice-writer.desktop,libreoffice-calc.desktop,libreoffice-impress.desktop,ubuntu-software-center.desktop,ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop]
[02:13] <DonkeyHotei> 11.10, or 12.04?
[02:13] <akk> that might be a launcher list right here
[02:13] <akk> 11.10, though I could switch to 12.04 if that would make it easier.
[02:13] <DonkeyHotei> no, i'm on 11.10
[02:15] <akk> I thought the live image used regular unity, not unity2d ... but the unity package doesn't include an equivalent looking defaults file.
[02:17]  * akk wonders what /usr/lib/unity/migrate_favorites.py does ... would help if it had some comments or something
[02:18] <akk> Googling for it reveals that mostly what it does is crash. :)
[02:18] <Guest83831> Hi all, We just got a HP pavilion dv7 without an OS and plan to install ubuntu..... (appluse here)....
[02:19] <Guest83831> The intent is to build a vector design box using vector works and photoshop
[02:19] <DonkeyHotei> photoshop?
[02:20] <DonkeyHotei> they say CS4 works under WINE
[02:20] <akk> Photoshop seems like an odd choice either for linux or for vector design.
[02:20] <Guest83831> Yeah, well my wife uses it alot.
[02:21] <Guest83831> Yeah, I know, but she does landscape design and wants to do 3d renderings
[02:21] <DonkeyHotei> it's not meant for 3d
[02:22] <DonkeyHotei> i think the industry standard is maya
[02:22] <DonkeyHotei> but akk would know much better than me
[02:23] <DonkeyHotei> akk has written books about GIMP
[02:23] <akk> Blender is what most people seem to use on Linux, for 3D modeling.
[02:23] <akk> And inkscape for vector art, and gimp for raster.
[02:24] <Guest83831>  Ive tried, she won't take the time to learn Gimp.
[02:24] <DonkeyHotei> gimp won't do 3d, either
[02:24] <akk> Neither will photoshop, afaik.
[02:24] <DonkeyHotei> i said that
[02:25] <akk> Right.
[02:25] <akk> Maybe she's just doing things like taking a photo and using perspective transform and adding drop shadows, making things look a little 3d.
[02:26] <akk> Anyway, yeah, wine. Never tried running photoshop but it might work.
[02:26] <Guest83831>  I know there are a lot of great vector and CAD programs already for the *nix platforms.... But some women.... I mean people can be stubborn, as I'm sure you all know.
[02:26] <DonkeyHotei> if all she knows is photoshop, she'd have to learn SOMETHING new for 3d renderings, regardless
[02:26] <DonkeyHotei> meh, akk is a woman too
[02:26] <akk> She might not be doing real 3d modeling, just a little perspective transform.
[02:27] <DonkeyHotei> as for photoshop under wine, afaik, cs2 works, cs3 doesn't, cs4 works
[02:28] <Guest83831> Anyway, I'm just wondering what the best version would be for this laptop.... I see there is another one comming out in two days.
[02:29] <akk> I haven't heard a lot of feedback about how stable 12.04 is ... but it's a long term release, which usually makes it a good bet.
[02:30] <akk> If I were installing a new ubuntu now I'd be pretty tempted to go that route.
[02:30] <dax> ditto, after waiting a week or three for the servers to stop being swamped and to get day 1 updates out of the way
[02:31] <akk> (having said that, here I am trying to make live ISOs for a class and using 11.10, so maybe I'm fibbing)
[02:32] <akk> But a difference is, my students won't be doing much with it and will only be using it for 1 day, while in your case you want something that'll continue to work well for a long time.
[02:32] <Guest83831> Also, I'm a few years out of the *nix scene, is running in chroot still a good security mesure and does it effect any Wine run programs?
[02:33] <akk> I never do chroot except for extremely specialized purposes. I'm not sure what it would get you, really.
[02:33] <MarkDude> CS6 is not likely to work under wine
[02:34] <Guest83831> I'm just thinking tiered security.....
[02:34] <Guest83831> So cs4 is the best set then?
[02:34] <MarkDude> Having used both GIMP and CS5, they dont really compare if you are doing INTENSIVE editing
[02:35] <akk> Guest83831: If you set up a chroot that she works in all the time, and she somehow destroys the system inside the chroot ... are you any better off than if she'd destroyed the real system?
[02:35] <akk> Either way, you have to reinstall stuff, seems like.
[02:35] <akk> (but I'm not really up on chroot-for-security theory, so I might be missing something)
[02:37] <MarkDude> Wine likes having access to some windows libraries? If Im not mistaken
[02:37] <Guest83831> I've been out for a while but chroot was very common security feature when I was building *nix boxes
[02:38] <Guest83831> I'll have to start readding up on the latest
[02:38] <Guest83831> Anyone know of any LUGS near Ventura?
[02:39] <akk> There's one around Camarillo.
[02:40] <Guest83831> Probably one or two in SantaBarbara too, but I'm in Ojai  :(
[02:41] <akk> And google says this: http://www.vclug.org/
[02:41] <Guest83831> Thanks, missed that in my search
[02:41] <akk> I searched for linux user group ventura OR "santa barbara"
[02:42] <akk> Don't see anything for Ojai specifically, though.
[02:42] <Guest83831> Nah, Ojai's small
[02:43] <akk> Yeah. But progressive, so it didn't seem impossible.
[02:43] <akk> http://www.cipcug.org/ (channel islands) is the camarillo group.
[02:43] <Guest83831> The boss just told me there's a 30 return on the laptop so I'll have to drop in an older version to test first
[02:44] <Guest83831>  UCUCI good school
[02:44]  * akk spent a happy summer in Ojai once
[02:45] <Guest83831> any no's on 11.10 with Wine and RAID 1 in a laptop?
[02:46] <Guest83831> I'm headding that way to atleast test the box for the warranty
[02:47] <Guest83831> Yeah, it's a great place to live, I just miss my ol lug comraderie
[02:51] <Guest83831> I'm headding that way to atleast test the box for the warranty.
[02:56] <Guest83831> Thx
[03:27] <izdubar> is there a facebook event for the release party at the thirsty bear?
[03:40] <pleia2> MarkDude: no, we haven't done that in a while (no one to maintain it)
[03:41] <pleia2> just: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1615/detail/
[03:52]  * MarkDude just got talked into going to a metal show in Oakland that night
[04:01] <akk> What's the easiest way to make a bootable USB stick with persistence? (Not including usb-cd-creator, it's never worked for me.)
[04:02] <akk> I know casper looks for a partition named casper-rw, but if I make partitions and copy the iso to the first partition, the stick isn't bootable.
[04:02] <pleia2> I use usb-creator-gtk or UNetbootin
[04:02] <pleia2> depends on the system which works better
[04:03] <akk> unetbootin can do persistence now? It couldn't the last time I tried it.
[04:03] <pleia2> hm, maybe not
[04:04] <pleia2> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/diskimg/readme.txt
[04:04] <pleia2> apparently it's an option
[04:05] <pleia2> (those directions aren't required anymore, but that's the reference I found to it being an option :))
[04:06] <akk> What's all this D:\syslinux.cfg stuff in that page? Is that a Windows version of unetbootin?
[04:06] <akk> The one on oneiric doesn't seem to have a persistence option.
[04:07] <akk> oh, wait, maybe it does
[04:08] <akk> It seems to want to write to /dev/sdf2 rather than /dev/sdf
[04:08] <dax> I think I got unetbootin to work a grand total of one time.
[04:09] <akk> I got it to work once, but without persistence.
[04:09] <akk> Let's see what it does this time ...
[04:09] <akk> It's better than the zero successes I've managed with usb-creator-gtk.
[04:12] <dax> usb-creator-gtk's worked fine for me the last few releases, though I stopped caring once they started being dd-able (which I realize is useless for your scenario)
[04:13] <akk> I was hoping dd would work, but no one seems to know how to couple it with persistence.
[04:14] <akk> IME. usb-creator-gtk works if the machine where you're running it is exactly the same (same desktop as well as distro/release) as what you're creating.
[04:15] <dax> can't do dd with persistance, as far as I know, hence my side-note
[04:16] <akk> That LiveCDCustomization page on help.ubuntu.com, sadly, didn't give me a bootable ISO. It's several years old and I guess some of the steps are out of date.
[04:17] <akk> unetbootin is impressively slow. I hope, if it succeeds, I'll be able to copy the stick it creates, since I need 10-11 of these.
[04:20] <akk> If you dd a usb stick (/dev/sdX, not /dev/sdX1) to another one, do you get a copy of all the partitions? I suppose that's too much to hope for?
[04:20] <dax> yes
[04:20] <dax> afaik, as long as target >= source size-wise, that should work fine
[04:49]  * akk gives up on this run of unetbootin -- been running for about 45 minutes, and about 20 minutes since it last woke up to redraw thewindow
[04:49] <akk> It looks like it was putting everything on /dev/sdf2 and running out of room, instead of using the whole stick.
[04:52] <akk> Also it's unkillable, even with -9
[04:58] <akk> Looks like it doesn't work anyway, even if it finishes: http://askubuntu.com/questions/123146/unable-to-get-persistence-on-usb-with-ubuntu-11-10-created-with-unetbootin
[17:00] <philipballew_> pleia2, for applying to membership bord, do i apply to the overall bord, or just apply for my world timeslot?
[17:00] <philipballew_> also, how much would it cost for me to just buy my way in? :)
[17:01] <pleia2> philipballew_: you identify which timeslot you're applying for in the application email
[17:02] <philipballew_> okay, thank you. I was unsure about that
[17:29] <greg-g> dangit, I was going to get some money out of him
[17:30] <pleia2> lol
[17:31] <greg-g> I mean, this channel isn't logged, right?
[17:31]  * pleia2 changes the number of seats to fill from 10 to 11 for questionable integrity of one of the non-expiring members
[17:32] <pleia2> ;)
[17:32] <Darkwing> LOL
[17:34] <greg-g> haha
[17:34] <greg-g> hey, my integrity is intact. it was a fair deal out in the open ;)
[17:35] <pleia2> hehe
[17:35] <Darkwing> It's just a funding donation for the work done :D
[17:37] <philipballew> greg-g, I m back!
[17:37] <greg-g> oh, hi there philipballew
[17:37] <philipballew> when refuring to money I will be selling my uds room
[17:37] <greg-g> I heard you have a problem that I might be able to solve with some mutual aid?
[17:37] <philipballew> 10 gets you in the bed
[17:37] <greg-g> ;)
[17:37] <philipballew> 20 gets you in the bed and me on the floor
[17:37] <greg-g> haha, don't tempt me
[17:37] <philipballew> 100 gets me out of the room completely
[17:38] <philipballew> you gonna be there greg-g ?
[17:38] <pleia2> wow, reading the backscroll there is very important
[17:38] <greg-g> I will be for some of the evening stuff. I don't think I can get off work much that week
[17:38] <philipballew> sorry pleia2
[17:38] <greg-g> pleia2: hahahahahaha
[17:39] <greg-g> it went from bribery to prostitution
[17:39] <pleia2> lol
[17:39] <greg-g> only wholesome topics here
[17:39] <philipballew> I have never formally introduced myself greg-g Ill have to shake your hand in 2 weeks.
[17:39] <philipballew> Your new to ca right?
[17:39] <greg-g> philipballew: indeed. holy crap, 2 weeks!
[17:40] <greg-g> yeah, just moved in Sept.
[17:40] <greg-g> from Ann Arbor, MI
[17:40] <philipballew> So you know kevin?
[17:40] <philipballew> kdub?
[17:41] <Darkwing> So, interesting announcement...
[17:41] <Darkwing> This is my last year in California.
[17:41] <philipballew> where you movin to?
[17:41] <pleia2> are you moving to michigan?
[17:41] <Darkwing> About 2 hours north of Indianapolis in Indiana
[17:41] <philipballew> Detroit is nice this time of year...
[17:42] <greg-g> philipballew: yeah, I know kdub :)
[17:42] <pleia2> Darkwing: congrats, work?
[17:42] <Darkwing> School.
[17:42] <Darkwing> Indiana Institute of Tech
[17:42] <pleia2> ah, nice!
[17:42] <philipballew> nice!
[17:42] <Darkwing> Plus, with the divorce, it will be a good place to reboot.
[17:42] <greg-g> careful in that part of the country. They call it the armpit of america
[17:43] <Darkwing> I have some family in that area and I spent my younger years there.
[17:43] <philipballew> yeah greg-g he just started a new job with canonical
[17:43] <greg-g> mostly b/c of the smell of the industrial area :)
[17:43] <philipballew> Wear deodorant
[17:43] <Darkwing> from about 4 to 15 I lived in northern Indiana.
[17:43] <greg-g> philipballew: oh, I didn't know! cool
[17:43] <pleia2> Darkwing: cool, so not as random as it sounds :)
[17:43] <Darkwing> greg-g: LOL I lived outside of Shipshewana in Indiana when I was growing up.
[17:43] <Darkwing> Not really no :D
[17:44] <pleia2> california is my favorite place
[17:44] <Darkwing> Born in Roseville, CA, grew up in Indiana and at 15 moved to Southern California.
[17:44]  * philipballew was born in the same hospital as Darkwing 
[17:44] <Darkwing> :D
[17:45] <pleia2> secretly, I was born in Georgia
[17:45] <Darkwing> Really?
[17:46] <pleia2> yep
[17:46] <Darkwing> Cool :D Interesting how much to get to know about past :D
[17:47]  * pleia2 nomad
[17:47] <pleia2> not that I particularly like moving, I actually quite like being settled, I'm just not good at it
[17:53] <Darkwing> I did Military for almost 8 years... Moving is a way of life LOL
[17:53] <pleia2> yeah, I don't have such an excuse
[17:54] <pleia2> I'll call it genetic, I've got immediate family scattered all over country (some in other countries)
[17:55] <pleia2> I didn't realize how weird it was until I was having dinner with my fiance's family and I had "well my family in $foo..." stories all over the place and they were all "do you have family everywhere?"
[17:55] <pleia2> yes, yes I do
[17:57] <Darkwing> LOL
[22:38] <akk> Are there lightning talks at UDS?
[22:39] <dax> looks like UDS-P had them
[22:41] <pleia2> akk: yep, on friday during the 1 hour spot after lunch (used for plenary talks other days): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/Plenaries#Lightning_Talks
[22:42] <akk> yay, will have to think about topics