[00:03] Sure [00:03] I can make sure to have directions written before then [00:03] Oh, booze is expensive there [00:03] So sneaking some in is advised [00:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q#Oakland_A.27s_Baseball_Game_.28Thursday.29 [00:18] MarkDude: Oh [00:18] MarkDude: How far is the Coliseum? [00:26] a few stops [00:27] Also within easy walking distance of crack, and medicinal options [00:27] lol [00:28] Good loud music shows also [00:28] * MarkDude hopes at least one person early can go to the jono loud music show [00:40] MarkDude: Not so much interested in the crack or medicinal options... Some good Sushi perhaps :D [00:42] * erichammond wakes up. Good sushi at UDS?! [00:42] * MarkDude will ask Courtney, she is the sushi expert out that way [00:42] bkerensa: might want to come across the bay for it ;) [00:45] I've never really seen San Francisco, so the tour sounds great to me. I'm also up for nice dinners including sushi. I'll be there the evenings of Wed, Thu, Fri. [00:46] pleia2: yeah sushi in the castro is usually pretty tasty [00:47] I had sushi for lunch, and sushi on sunday night for dinner [00:47] I probably have all the mercury [00:47] but is so tastey :d [00:47] mmm heavy metals [00:48] LA Weekly just ranked my favorite sushi restaurant as the second best in Los Angeles: http://www.laweekly.com/2012-04-19/eat-drink/sushi-los-angeles-top-10/ [00:48] Their choice for first place will cost you about $400. [00:51] Best Sushi in SF imho: http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/photos/large/osaka-sushi.jpg [00:52] Best Burrito: Taqueria Cancun [00:52] they closed the best tostada place :( === iam is now known as Guest83831 [02:12] Ooh -- going through dpkg -L unity*, I found /usr/share/gconf/defaults/10_unity-2d [02:13] whose first line is: /desktop/unity-2d/launcher/favorites [ubiquity-gtkui.desktop,nautilus-home.desktop,firefox.desktop,libreoffice-writer.desktop,libreoffice-calc.desktop,libreoffice-impress.desktop,ubuntu-software-center.desktop,ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop] [02:13] 11.10, or 12.04? [02:13] that might be a launcher list right here [02:13] 11.10, though I could switch to 12.04 if that would make it easier. [02:13] no, i'm on 11.10 [02:15] I thought the live image used regular unity, not unity2d ... but the unity package doesn't include an equivalent looking defaults file. [02:17] * akk wonders what /usr/lib/unity/migrate_favorites.py does ... would help if it had some comments or something [02:18] Googling for it reveals that mostly what it does is crash. :) [02:18] Hi all, We just got a HP pavilion dv7 without an OS and plan to install ubuntu..... (appluse here).... [02:19] The intent is to build a vector design box using vector works and photoshop [02:19] photoshop? [02:20] they say CS4 works under WINE [02:20] Photoshop seems like an odd choice either for linux or for vector design. [02:20] Yeah, well my wife uses it alot. [02:21] Yeah, I know, but she does landscape design and wants to do 3d renderings [02:21] it's not meant for 3d [02:22] i think the industry standard is maya [02:22] but akk would know much better than me [02:23] akk has written books about GIMP [02:23] Blender is what most people seem to use on Linux, for 3D modeling. [02:23] And inkscape for vector art, and gimp for raster. [02:24] Ive tried, she won't take the time to learn Gimp. [02:24] gimp won't do 3d, either [02:24] Neither will photoshop, afaik. [02:24] i said that [02:25] Right. [02:25] Maybe she's just doing things like taking a photo and using perspective transform and adding drop shadows, making things look a little 3d. [02:26] Anyway, yeah, wine. Never tried running photoshop but it might work. [02:26] I know there are a lot of great vector and CAD programs already for the *nix platforms.... But some women.... I mean people can be stubborn, as I'm sure you all know. [02:26] if all she knows is photoshop, she'd have to learn SOMETHING new for 3d renderings, regardless [02:26] meh, akk is a woman too [02:26] She might not be doing real 3d modeling, just a little perspective transform. [02:27] as for photoshop under wine, afaik, cs2 works, cs3 doesn't, cs4 works [02:28] Anyway, I'm just wondering what the best version would be for this laptop.... I see there is another one comming out in two days. [02:29] I haven't heard a lot of feedback about how stable 12.04 is ... but it's a long term release, which usually makes it a good bet. [02:30] If I were installing a new ubuntu now I'd be pretty tempted to go that route. [02:30] ditto, after waiting a week or three for the servers to stop being swamped and to get day 1 updates out of the way [02:31] (having said that, here I am trying to make live ISOs for a class and using 11.10, so maybe I'm fibbing) [02:32] But a difference is, my students won't be doing much with it and will only be using it for 1 day, while in your case you want something that'll continue to work well for a long time. [02:32] Also, I'm a few years out of the *nix scene, is running in chroot still a good security mesure and does it effect any Wine run programs? [02:33] I never do chroot except for extremely specialized purposes. I'm not sure what it would get you, really. [02:33] CS6 is not likely to work under wine [02:34] I'm just thinking tiered security..... [02:34] So cs4 is the best set then? [02:34] Having used both GIMP and CS5, they dont really compare if you are doing INTENSIVE editing [02:35] Guest83831: If you set up a chroot that she works in all the time, and she somehow destroys the system inside the chroot ... are you any better off than if she'd destroyed the real system? [02:35] Either way, you have to reinstall stuff, seems like. [02:35] (but I'm not really up on chroot-for-security theory, so I might be missing something) [02:37] Wine likes having access to some windows libraries? If Im not mistaken [02:37] I've been out for a while but chroot was very common security feature when I was building *nix boxes [02:38] I'll have to start readding up on the latest [02:38] Anyone know of any LUGS near Ventura? [02:39] There's one around Camarillo. [02:40] Probably one or two in SantaBarbara too, but I'm in Ojai :( [02:41] And google says this: http://www.vclug.org/ [02:41] Thanks, missed that in my search [02:41] I searched for linux user group ventura OR "santa barbara" [02:42] Don't see anything for Ojai specifically, though. [02:42] Nah, Ojai's small [02:43] Yeah. But progressive, so it didn't seem impossible. [02:43] http://www.cipcug.org/ (channel islands) is the camarillo group. [02:43] The boss just told me there's a 30 return on the laptop so I'll have to drop in an older version to test first [02:44] UCUCI good school [02:44] * akk spent a happy summer in Ojai once [02:45] any no's on 11.10 with Wine and RAID 1 in a laptop? [02:46] I'm headding that way to atleast test the box for the warranty [02:47] Yeah, it's a great place to live, I just miss my ol lug comraderie [02:51] I'm headding that way to atleast test the box for the warranty. [02:56] Thx === dax is now known as staffhedgehog === staffhedgehog is now known as dax [03:27] is there a facebook event for the release party at the thirsty bear? === izdubar is now known as MarkDude [03:40] MarkDude: no, we haven't done that in a while (no one to maintain it) [03:41] just: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1615/detail/ [03:52] * MarkDude just got talked into going to a metal show in Oakland that night [04:01] What's the easiest way to make a bootable USB stick with persistence? (Not including usb-cd-creator, it's never worked for me.) [04:02] I know casper looks for a partition named casper-rw, but if I make partitions and copy the iso to the first partition, the stick isn't bootable. [04:02] I use usb-creator-gtk or UNetbootin [04:02] depends on the system which works better [04:03] unetbootin can do persistence now? It couldn't the last time I tried it. [04:03] hm, maybe not [04:04] http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/diskimg/readme.txt [04:04] apparently it's an option [04:05] (those directions aren't required anymore, but that's the reference I found to it being an option :)) [04:06] What's all this D:\syslinux.cfg stuff in that page? Is that a Windows version of unetbootin? [04:06] The one on oneiric doesn't seem to have a persistence option. [04:07] oh, wait, maybe it does [04:08] It seems to want to write to /dev/sdf2 rather than /dev/sdf [04:08] I think I got unetbootin to work a grand total of one time. [04:09] I got it to work once, but without persistence. [04:09] Let's see what it does this time ... [04:09] It's better than the zero successes I've managed with usb-creator-gtk. [04:12] usb-creator-gtk's worked fine for me the last few releases, though I stopped caring once they started being dd-able (which I realize is useless for your scenario) [04:13] I was hoping dd would work, but no one seems to know how to couple it with persistence. [04:14] IME. usb-creator-gtk works if the machine where you're running it is exactly the same (same desktop as well as distro/release) as what you're creating. [04:15] can't do dd with persistance, as far as I know, hence my side-note [04:16] That LiveCDCustomization page on help.ubuntu.com, sadly, didn't give me a bootable ISO. It's several years old and I guess some of the steps are out of date. [04:17] unetbootin is impressively slow. I hope, if it succeeds, I'll be able to copy the stick it creates, since I need 10-11 of these. [04:20] If you dd a usb stick (/dev/sdX, not /dev/sdX1) to another one, do you get a copy of all the partitions? I suppose that's too much to hope for? [04:20] yes [04:20] afaik, as long as target >= source size-wise, that should work fine [04:49] * akk gives up on this run of unetbootin -- been running for about 45 minutes, and about 20 minutes since it last woke up to redraw thewindow [04:49] It looks like it was putting everything on /dev/sdf2 and running out of room, instead of using the whole stick. [04:52] Also it's unkillable, even with -9 [04:58] Looks like it doesn't work anyway, even if it finishes: http://askubuntu.com/questions/123146/unable-to-get-persistence-on-usb-with-ubuntu-11-10-created-with-unetbootin === jbermudes_ is now known as jbermudes [17:00] pleia2, for applying to membership bord, do i apply to the overall bord, or just apply for my world timeslot? [17:00] also, how much would it cost for me to just buy my way in? :) [17:01] philipballew_: you identify which timeslot you're applying for in the application email [17:02] okay, thank you. I was unsure about that [17:29] dangit, I was going to get some money out of him [17:30] lol [17:31] I mean, this channel isn't logged, right? [17:31] * pleia2 changes the number of seats to fill from 10 to 11 for questionable integrity of one of the non-expiring members [17:32] ;) [17:32] LOL [17:34] haha [17:34] hey, my integrity is intact. it was a fair deal out in the open ;) [17:35] hehe [17:35] It's just a funding donation for the work done :D [17:37] greg-g, I m back! [17:37] oh, hi there philipballew [17:37] when refuring to money I will be selling my uds room [17:37] I heard you have a problem that I might be able to solve with some mutual aid? [17:37] 10 gets you in the bed [17:37] ;) [17:37] 20 gets you in the bed and me on the floor [17:37] haha, don't tempt me [17:37] 100 gets me out of the room completely [17:38] you gonna be there greg-g ? [17:38] wow, reading the backscroll there is very important [17:38] I will be for some of the evening stuff. I don't think I can get off work much that week [17:38] sorry pleia2 [17:38] pleia2: hahahahahaha [17:39] it went from bribery to prostitution [17:39] lol [17:39] only wholesome topics here [17:39] I have never formally introduced myself greg-g Ill have to shake your hand in 2 weeks. [17:39] Your new to ca right? [17:39] philipballew: indeed. holy crap, 2 weeks! [17:40] yeah, just moved in Sept. [17:40] from Ann Arbor, MI [17:40] So you know kevin? [17:40] kdub? [17:41] So, interesting announcement... [17:41] This is my last year in California. [17:41] where you movin to? [17:41] are you moving to michigan? [17:41] About 2 hours north of Indianapolis in Indiana [17:41] Detroit is nice this time of year... [17:42] philipballew: yeah, I know kdub :) [17:42] Darkwing: congrats, work? [17:42] School. [17:42] Indiana Institute of Tech [17:42] ah, nice! [17:42] nice! [17:42] Plus, with the divorce, it will be a good place to reboot. [17:42] careful in that part of the country. They call it the armpit of america [17:43] I have some family in that area and I spent my younger years there. [17:43] yeah greg-g he just started a new job with canonical [17:43] mostly b/c of the smell of the industrial area :) [17:43] Wear deodorant [17:43] from about 4 to 15 I lived in northern Indiana. [17:43] philipballew: oh, I didn't know! cool [17:43] Darkwing: cool, so not as random as it sounds :) [17:43] greg-g: LOL I lived outside of Shipshewana in Indiana when I was growing up. [17:43] Not really no :D [17:44] california is my favorite place [17:44] Born in Roseville, CA, grew up in Indiana and at 15 moved to Southern California. [17:44] * philipballew was born in the same hospital as Darkwing [17:44] :D [17:45] secretly, I was born in Georgia [17:45] Really? [17:46] yep [17:46] Cool :D Interesting how much to get to know about past :D [17:47] * pleia2 nomad [17:47] not that I particularly like moving, I actually quite like being settled, I'm just not good at it [17:53] I did Military for almost 8 years... Moving is a way of life LOL [17:53] yeah, I don't have such an excuse [17:54] I'll call it genetic, I've got immediate family scattered all over country (some in other countries) [17:55] I didn't realize how weird it was until I was having dinner with my fiance's family and I had "well my family in $foo..." stories all over the place and they were all "do you have family everywhere?" [17:55] yes, yes I do [17:57] LOL [22:38] Are there lightning talks at UDS? [22:39] looks like UDS-P had them [22:41] akk: yep, on friday during the 1 hour spot after lunch (used for plenary talks other days): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/Plenaries#Lightning_Talks [22:42] yay, will have to think about topics