| inetpro | good morning | 06:46 |
|---|---|---|
| bakuman | O_O | 08:02 |
| gelie | What time tomorrow does Precise isos become available here in South Africa ? | 08:37 |
| bakuman | Precise isos have been available since alpha build | 08:51 |
| bakuman | not sure when this official release will be available though | 08:52 |
| bakuman | O_o oops, he is offline | 08:52 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 08:53 |
| maiatoday | offhand does anyone know how I can give a service which was started with rc.local access to a display | 09:29 |
| charlvn | maiatoday: you mean you want to direct the stdout or stderr streams to a console? | 09:46 |
| maiatoday | hmm no charlvn I am trying to get our continous integration process running. to run the tests I need to fire up an emulator which is a window/gui | 09:49 |
| charlvn | ah ok not sure what that is about | 09:49 |
| maiatoday | but the process which is accessed by the continous integration process is started as a service and so it can'tfind a display when I ask it to open the emulator | 09:49 |
| maiatoday | charlvn | 09:50 |
| maiatoday | you just helped me | 09:51 |
| maiatoday | when I explained what I wanted I realised maybe I can ask the emulator to startup without a window | 09:51 |
| charlvn | ah ok glad to be of accidental assistance lol | 09:52 |
| maiatoday | aha there is a -no-window option ! | 09:54 |
| Squirm | morning people | 09:58 |
| charlvn | morning Squirm | 09:58 |
| zeref | hmmmm | 10:04 |
| zeref | anybody managed to install gnome-shell? | 10:04 |
| zeref | *in ubuntu 12.04 | 10:04 |
| * Squirm waits for releease | 10:08 | |
| Squirm | release | 10:08 |
| kbmonkey | hello there | 11:00 |
| charlvn | hi kbmonkey | 11:12 |
| kbmonkey | hi charlvn, psydroid :) | 12:21 |
| kbmonkey | hoe ganit? | 12:24 |
| psydroid | hoi kbmonkey :) | 12:24 |
| psydroid | dit gaan goe met my, dankie :P | 12:25 |
| psydroid | hoe gaan dit met jou? | 12:25 |
| * kbmonkey biscuits for everyone | 12:25 | |
| * psydroid dankie | 12:32 | |
| * psydroid offers tea and coffee to go with the biscuits | 12:33 | |
| kbmonkey | hmm | 12:35 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz, tea please | 12:35 |
| Maaz | As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already | 12:35 |
| Kerbero | psydroid, adres? | 12:35 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz, coffee on | 12:35 |
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 12:35 | |
| kbmonkey | Maaz, how do i use coffee | 12:36 |
| Maaz | kbmonkey: Times coffee brewing and reserves cups for people. You can use it like this: | 12:36 |
| Maaz | coffee (on|please) | 12:36 |
| psydroid | Kerbero, het wordt verstuurd met digitale post, dat gaat een stuk sneller | 12:36 |
| kbmonkey | sneller? are you dutch psydroid? | 12:37 |
| psydroid | kbmonkey, yes, I am | 12:38 |
| psydroid | dutch of indian origin | 12:39 |
| kbmonkey | :) | 12:39 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for kbmonkey! | 12:39 |
| Kerbero | O | 12:47 |
| Kerbero | leuk | 12:47 |
| Kerbero | mijn vader is een nederlander | 12:47 |
| Kerbero | en mijn opa is geboren op java | 12:47 |
| psydroid | ah, nu snap ik waarom je ook goed nederlands spreekt | 12:47 |
| psydroid | dat is erg interessant | 12:47 |
| Kerbero | :) | 12:47 |
| psydroid | ik ben geboren in suriname | 12:48 |
| Kerbero | ahh ok | 12:48 |
| psydroid | en mijn overgrootouders komen uit india | 12:48 |
| Kerbero | i am wearing my ubuntu tshirt today | 12:50 |
| psydroid | is ubuntu big in south africa? | 12:51 |
| kbmonkey | I understand what you say, I just cant speak nederlands myself | 12:51 |
| psydroid | it's the same with afrikaans for me | 12:51 |
| Kerbero | praat afrikaans en plak 'n nederlandse aksent bo op | 12:51 |
| kbmonkey | it's bit in some regions | 12:51 |
| Kerbero | :P | 12:52 |
| psydroid | I just utter nonsense hoping it makes some sense :P | 12:52 |
| kbmonkey | hah oraait Kerbero ek sal so maak ;P | 12:52 |
| kbmonkey | big* in some regions, depending where | 12:52 |
| kbmonkey | not as big as the rest of the world, our LUG's are small compared to other cities | 12:53 |
| Kerbero | yes | 12:53 |
| Kerbero | i'm at university and here it is bigger than in other palces | 12:53 |
| Kerbero | about 1% of the people use ubuntu | 12:53 |
| psydroid | I think it also has to do something with the distribution of computers and broadband | 12:54 |
| psydroid | I used to see linux only at university too, these days it's usable to many more people in businesses and at home | 12:55 |
| Kerbero | i bought a new computer for my parents now | 12:55 |
| Kerbero | and i still don't know if i shoudl give them ubuntu or win7 | 12:55 |
| kbmonkey | Why question it Kerbero ;) | 12:56 |
| psydroid | dual boot maybe? | 12:56 |
| Kerbero | yeah i'm considering dualboot | 12:56 |
| psydroid | I think ubuntu is really good for almost all tasks | 12:57 |
| Kerbero | kbmonkey, because doing tech support over the phone is tediious | 12:57 |
| kbmonkey | yes. doing windows tech support even more so | 12:57 |
| psydroid | but there are just a few things that might be missing, those are being filled in quickly though | 12:57 |
| psydroid | I don't do windows tech for that reason | 12:58 |
| kbmonkey | make a list with them what software they regularly use | 12:58 |
| Kerbero | at least i already have the parent in firefox and thunderbird | 12:58 |
| Kerbero | so that will be the same | 12:58 |
| psydroid | it's horrible | 12:58 |
| Kerbero | and are the two things they use the most | 12:58 |
| kbmonkey | and do some research how much can ubuntu replicate or replace | 12:58 |
| kbmonkey | but personally, I would use Gnome standard, change panels to resemle win layout | 12:59 |
| kbmonkey | make it easier for them to recognize familiar features | 13:00 |
| Kerbero | or force them to use unity | 13:00 |
| kbmonkey | I'd love to push Unity on my pops. | 13:00 |
| Kerbero | with the thunderbird and firefox icons stuck on the panel permanently | 13:00 |
| kbmonkey | I'd never use it, they will. | 13:00 |
| Kerbero | i use it everywhere | 13:01 |
| Kerbero | 12.04 of course | 13:01 |
| kbmonkey | I feel so dirty, on windows now :/ | 13:04 |
| kbmonkey | lol | 13:06 |
| kbmonkey | well catch you all laters | 13:07 |
| psydroid | later kbmonkey | 13:11 |
| psydroid | hi zeref | 13:12 |
| zeref | hi psy | 13:13 |
| zeref | sigh | 13:13 |
| zeref | hi psydroid | 13:13 |
| === Superhuman_ is now known as Superhuman | ||
| zeref | hmmm | 13:28 |
| kbmonkey | hmmm | 13:29 |
| kbmonkey | oh wait, I was meant to go. | 13:30 |
| kbmonkey | slow wireless makes one linger ;P | 13:30 |
| zeref | lol | 13:30 |
| tumbleweed | hrm https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-system-compositor | 13:37 |
| charlvn | i see more dutch in this # than in #ubuntu-nl | 13:51 |
| charlvn | (reading through the logs) | 13:51 |
| Kerbero | lol | 14:16 |
| inetpro | charlvn: wb | 14:21 |
| inetpro | charlvn: there are more users in #ubuntu-nl | 14:21 |
| charlvn | while we are on that topic, lol is a word in dutch http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lol#Dutch | 14:24 |
| charlvn | but in afrikaans, lol means to mess around with | 14:24 |
| charlvn | (i think, although i don't have a dictionary reference to prove that with) | 14:24 |
| charlvn | both sound strangely applicable for use on the internet | 14:24 |
| Kerbero | lol | 14:25 |
| Kerbero | if i remember i will have a look in the "Groot Afrikaans Nederlands Woordeboek" at home tomorrow | 14:26 |
| Kerbero | (also called the ANNA) | 14:26 |
| charlvn | inetpro: yeah but they idle | 14:26 |
| charlvn | Kerbero: ah you have one of those... yes very handy! | 14:26 |
| Kerbero | they idle until you talk off-topic | 14:26 |
| Kerbero | then they get angry at you | 14:27 |
| charlvn | sounds like typical dutch people then | 14:27 |
| Kerbero | hey, watchit | 14:28 |
| Kerbero | :P | 14:28 |
| * inetpro lol | 14:28 | |
| charlvn | :D | 14:28 |
| * Kerbero heeft lol | 14:28 | |
| inetpro | nee ek dink julle lol nou met my | 14:30 |
| charlvn | inetpro: so i have the definition above right then? :P | 14:30 |
| * inetpro getting confused with all the lingos in here | 14:31 | |
| charlvn | inetpro: dit maak alles sin na 'n amsterdam-styl zol :P | 14:33 |
| inetpro | charlvn: yep, I think so | 14:33 |
| charlvn | does anyone happen to know if http://translate.org.za/ still exists and is operational | 14:48 |
| charlvn | reason for asking is they are still making use of an ancient joomla site i built for them back in 2005/2006 | 14:48 |
| charlvn | i put the site up right after joomla split away from mambo | 14:48 |
| inetpro | charlvn: talk to them at #zaf | 14:48 |
| charlvn | inetpro: tnx | 14:49 |
| Kilos | good evening superfly and the lurkers | 18:08 |
| Kilos | and other busy peeps | 18:08 |
| Kilos | hi dbfx | 18:09 |
| Kilos | are you new here? | 18:10 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 18:10 |
| Kilos | yo kbmonkey psydroid | 18:10 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos | 18:13 |
| psydroid | hi superfly | 18:13 |
| superfly | hi psydroid | 18:14 |
| Kilos | hi Mezenir | 18:14 |
| Mezenir | hi all | 18:15 |
| kbmonkey | greets | 18:18 |
| kbmonkey | I have an interesting problem to solve. I need to test if an Ubuntu 11.10 CD (official print) is a OK burn | 18:19 |
| Kilos | they have the option when you boot from it dont they | 18:20 |
| kbmonkey | the issue? the md5sum of the CD is _never_ the same as the ISO | 18:20 |
| kbmonkey | as explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD | 18:20 |
| kbmonkey | the CD in question does not get that far into the boot Kilos, so have to check it another way | 18:20 |
| Kilos | eish | 18:21 |
| Kilos | if it cant boot then there must e something wrong | 18:21 |
| Kilos | *be | 18:21 |
| kbmonkey | catching on ;) | 18:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:21 |
| kbmonkey | problem is, I don't have this disc, somebody else does | 18:22 |
| Kilos | maybe it was a bad iso download | 18:22 |
| Kilos | eish | 18:22 |
| kbmonkey | official disc | 18:22 |
| Kilos | oh my | 18:22 |
| kbmonkey | lol | 18:22 |
| Kilos | thats not funny that serious | 18:22 |
| kbmonkey | funny thing, I boot my 11.04 and it goes straight into setup mode, there is no boot menu to test it... what happened to the boot menu? :/ | 18:23 |
| kbmonkey | double lol | 18:23 |
| Kilos | whew | 18:23 |
| kbmonkey | does anybody here have an official 11.10 CD to make an md5sum for me to compare? | 18:23 |
| tumbleweed | kbmonkey: md5sums are published on releases.ubuntu.com | 18:24 |
| kbmonkey | those md5sums do _not_ match CD's, only ISO's :/ | 18:24 |
| kbmonkey | that's my issue | 18:24 |
| kbmonkey | *or* you can dd the CD through md5sum, but have to count the size of the ISO :p | 18:25 |
| kbmonkey | yes, that would work. can somebody please tell me thebyte size of the 11.10 ISO? | 18:25 |
| Kilos | you dont even get the option to try it rather than installing kbmonkey / | 18:25 |
| kbmonkey | the site only lists in Megs :p | 18:25 |
| Kilos | what happened to try it | 18:26 |
| kbmonkey | try it? | 18:27 |
| tumbleweed | kbmonkey: you can also see the sizes on releases.ubuntu.com :) | 18:27 |
| kbmonkey | boot it? no it cannot boot, hangs at an "isolinux " line | 18:27 |
| kbmonkey | where, at http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ ? | 18:27 |
| kbmonkey | it says 674M, md5sum needs the exact byte count | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | okay i'll go find it somewhere else | 18:28 |
| Kilos | the fly downloaded it, wonder if he still has them | 18:28 |
| Kilos | superfly, do you still have those iso's? | 18:29 |
| tumbleweed | kbmonkey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/946124/ | 18:29 |
| superfly | Kilos: the 11.10 ones? | 18:29 |
| Kilos | yes please superfly | 18:29 |
| superfly | Kilos: no, I don't think so | 18:30 |
| kbmonkey | tumbleweed, I never knew one can do that. you are my hero and taught me something today! Thanks :) | 18:30 |
| Kilos | np superfly | 18:30 |
| tumbleweed | everyone should know HTTP :P | 18:30 |
| Mezenir | so ubuntu should be releasing pretty soon ? | 18:32 |
| Kilos | few days | 18:33 |
| Kilos | 28th i think | 18:33 |
| Mezenir | saturday | 18:34 |
| Mezenir | mmm | 18:34 |
| superfly | No, tomorrow. | 18:34 |
| Kilos | oh 26th | 18:34 |
| tumbleweed | the release is tomorrow | 18:34 |
| superfly | Likely tomorrow evening, though maybe as early as the late afternoon. | 18:34 |
| Mezenir | they used to have a count down on their site | 18:34 |
| Mezenir | not this time | 18:34 |
| superfly | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown | 18:36 |
| superfly | bit late for it now! | 18:37 |
| kbmonkey | Interesting that the CD md5 doesn't match the ISO's. The empty space at disc-end affects the hash | 18:41 |
| kbmonkey | that is why I needed the ISO length, to force md5 to only hash so many bytes. | 18:41 |
| kbmonkey | Thanks again tumbleweed | 18:41 |
| Mezenir | cool | 18:42 |
| Mezenir | strange that its not on the front page | 18:42 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, what you gonna do now to get it fixed | 18:43 |
| Kilos | cant you use that cd to make a new one | 18:43 |
| Kilos | cp /dev/cdrom ubuntu.iso | 18:44 |
| kbmonkey | that would make a bad iso if the disc is bad | 18:44 |
| Kilos | have you tried it on another pc? | 18:45 |
| kbmonkey | I don't have this disc on me Kilos, its somebody else who is having the problem | 18:46 |
| kbmonkey | so I asked them to check it's md5sum to verify if the disc is OK :) | 18:46 |
| Kilos | tell him just try in another pc | 18:46 |
| kbmonkey | I'll ask, thanks oom | 18:47 |
| Kilos | ai | 18:47 |
| kbmonkey | lekker koud ne | 18:49 |
| Kilos | lelik | 18:49 |
| Kilos | shivered all day | 18:49 |
| Kilos | reached only 17°c here | 18:49 |
| Kilos | whats it like in Pmb | 18:50 |
| Kilos | sleepy hollow | 18:51 |
| kbmonkey | it was colder two days ago, when the front moved in | 18:57 |
| kbmonkey | not too bad today, cold winds though | 18:57 |
| Kilos | yeah cold wind here all day | 18:57 |
| Mezenir | nite all | 19:04 |
| Kilos | night mez | 19:04 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 19:04 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, cam you remember who got the cds to distribute last release in Pta | 19:06 |
| Kilos | maybe maia would have records | 19:07 |
| kbmonkey | the previous release? maia did, and sent them to other peeps | 19:07 |
| Kilos | ya thats what i wanna find out who got them here | 19:08 |
| Kilos | normally got a few left over | 19:08 |
| magespawn | evening all | 19:15 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 19:15 |
| magespawn | whats up? | 19:15 |
| Kilos | down actually | 19:16 |
| Kilos | temps | 19:16 |
| Kilos | and the monkey battling to get a cd working that doesnt install | 19:17 |
| Kilos | but via remote | 19:17 |
| superfly | hiya magespawn | 19:17 |
| magespawn | hey superfly | 19:18 |
| magespawn | thats sounds hectic Kilos | 19:18 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, tell magespawn | 19:19 |
| Kilos | hes checking md5 goodies and all | 19:19 |
| Kilos | and its an official cd | 19:19 |
| Kilos | i think its the pc | 19:20 |
| kbmonkey | I asked them to check the CD integrity, will know more when I get areply :) | 19:22 |
| magespawn | i have had problems with sata cdrom drives before | 19:22 |
| kbmonkey | I was thining perhaps its a sata thing | 19:31 |
| kbmonkey | thinking* | 19:31 |
| kbmonkey | or acpi | 19:32 |
| magespawn | i usually make a live usb and do it that way | 19:34 |
| === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] | ||
| Kilos | night guys. good luck with all you endeavours | 19:41 |
| Kilos | sleep warm | 19:41 |
| === ser_ is now known as magespawn | ||
| kbmonkey | oh he's gone... | 19:42 |
| magespawn | hey back again | 19:42 |
| magespawn | see Kilos is off to bed | 19:42 |
| magespawn | has anybody read the millennium triology? | 19:52 |
| kbmonkey | I finished the 2nd book 2 weeks ago magespawn | 20:08 |
| kbmonkey | have the 3rd, haven't started yet | 20:08 |
| kbmonkey | I got stuck into Cryptonomicon by Neil Stephenson | 20:08 |
| kbmonkey | You reading the trilogy magespawn ? | 20:09 |
| Squirm | kbmonkey: what books are these? | 20:12 |
| Squirm | and evening | 20:12 |
| magespawn | yes kbmonkey on the third book now | 20:12 |
| magespawn | the first is called the girl with the dragon tattoo | 20:13 |
| Squirm | ah, want to read those | 20:13 |
| magespawn | evening Squirm | 20:13 |
| magespawn | they are good reading | 20:14 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: or just as follows | 20:15 |
| inetpro | HEAD http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-11.10-alternate-amd64.iso | 20:15 |
| tumbleweed | inetpro: yeah, that's what I suggested | 20:15 |
| tumbleweed | (lynx is just a convenient tool for making head requests) | 20:16 |
| tumbleweed | curl can also do them, but the syntax is harder to remember | 20:16 |
| inetpro | but there's a HEAD command and all | 20:16 |
| inetpro | no need for curl nor lynx | 20:17 |
| === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero | ||
| inetpro | uses the perl LWP-REQUEST module | 20:18 |
| kbmonkey | good to know inetpro | 20:21 |
| kbmonkey | yes they are good reads Squirm. the screenplays are good adaptations too | 20:21 |
| Squirm | I'll read the books first | 20:22 |
| kbmonkey | naturally they changed some of the story arcs a bit, as these things go | 20:23 |
| kbmonkey | but stayed pretty true to the feel IMO | 20:23 |
| kbmonkey | time to give the pc a break, reading sounds good now | 20:24 |
| kbmonkey | chat laters... | 20:24 |
| tumbleweed | inetpro: cor, that's been around since 1998 and I never noticed | 20:26 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: never to old to learn :-) | 20:27 |
| === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] | ||
| === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero | ||
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