[06:46] good morning [08:02] O_O [08:37] What time tomorrow does Precise isos become available here in South Africa ? [08:51] Precise isos have been available since alpha build [08:52] not sure when this official release will be available though [08:52] O_o oops, he is offline [08:53] hmm... [09:29] offhand does anyone know how I can give a service which was started with rc.local access to a display [09:46] maiatoday: you mean you want to direct the stdout or stderr streams to a console? [09:49] hmm no charlvn I am trying to get our continous integration process running. to run the tests I need to fire up an emulator which is a window/gui [09:49] ah ok not sure what that is about [09:49] but the process which is accessed by the continous integration process is started as a service and so it can'tfind a display when I ask it to open the emulator [09:50] charlvn [09:51] you just helped me [09:51] when I explained what I wanted I realised maybe I can ask the emulator to startup without a window [09:52] ah ok glad to be of accidental assistance lol [09:54] aha there is a -no-window option ! [09:58] morning people [09:58] morning Squirm [10:04] hmmmm [10:04] anybody managed to install gnome-shell? [10:04] *in ubuntu 12.04 [10:08] * Squirm waits for releease [10:08] release [11:00] hello there [11:12] hi kbmonkey [12:21] hi charlvn, psydroid :) [12:24] hoe ganit? [12:24] hoi kbmonkey :) [12:25] dit gaan goe met my, dankie :P [12:25] hoe gaan dit met jou? [12:25] * kbmonkey biscuits for everyone [12:32] * psydroid dankie [12:33] * psydroid offers tea and coffee to go with the biscuits [12:35] hmm [12:35] Maaz, tea please [12:35] As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already [12:35] psydroid, adres? [12:35] Maaz, coffee on [12:35] * Maaz puts the kettle on [12:36] Maaz, how do i use coffee [12:36] kbmonkey: Times coffee brewing and reserves cups for people. You can use it like this: [12:36] coffee (on|please) [12:36] Kerbero, het wordt verstuurd met digitale post, dat gaat een stuk sneller [12:37] sneller? are you dutch psydroid? [12:38] kbmonkey, yes, I am [12:39] dutch of indian origin [12:39] :) [12:39] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey! [12:47] O [12:47] leuk [12:47] mijn vader is een nederlander [12:47] en mijn opa is geboren op java [12:47] ah, nu snap ik waarom je ook goed nederlands spreekt [12:47] dat is erg interessant [12:47] :) [12:48] ik ben geboren in suriname [12:48] ahh ok [12:48] en mijn overgrootouders komen uit india [12:50] i am wearing my ubuntu tshirt today [12:51] is ubuntu big in south africa? [12:51] I understand what you say, I just cant speak nederlands myself [12:51] it's the same with afrikaans for me [12:51] praat afrikaans en plak 'n nederlandse aksent bo op [12:51] it's bit in some regions [12:52] :P [12:52] I just utter nonsense hoping it makes some sense :P [12:52] hah oraait Kerbero ek sal so maak ;P [12:52] big* in some regions, depending where [12:53] not as big as the rest of the world, our LUG's are small compared to other cities [12:53] yes [12:53] i'm at university and here it is bigger than in other palces [12:53] about 1% of the people use ubuntu [12:54] I think it also has to do something with the distribution of computers and broadband [12:55] I used to see linux only at university too, these days it's usable to many more people in businesses and at home [12:55] i bought a new computer for my parents now [12:55] and i still don't know if i shoudl give them ubuntu or win7 [12:56] Why question it Kerbero ;) [12:56] dual boot maybe? [12:56] yeah i'm considering dualboot [12:57] I think ubuntu is really good for almost all tasks [12:57] kbmonkey, because doing tech support over the phone is tediious [12:57] yes. doing windows tech support even more so [12:57] but there are just a few things that might be missing, those are being filled in quickly though [12:58] I don't do windows tech for that reason [12:58] make a list with them what software they regularly use [12:58] at least i already have the parent in firefox and thunderbird [12:58] so that will be the same [12:58] it's horrible [12:58] and are the two things they use the most [12:58] and do some research how much can ubuntu replicate or replace [12:59] but personally, I would use Gnome standard, change panels to resemle win layout [13:00] make it easier for them to recognize familiar features [13:00] or force them to use unity [13:00] I'd love to push Unity on my pops. [13:00] with the thunderbird and firefox icons stuck on the panel permanently [13:00] I'd never use it, they will. [13:01] i use it everywhere [13:01] 12.04 of course [13:04] I feel so dirty, on windows now :/ [13:06] lol [13:07] well catch you all laters [13:11] later kbmonkey [13:12] hi zeref [13:13] hi psy [13:13] sigh [13:13] hi psydroid === Superhuman_ is now known as Superhuman [13:28] hmmm [13:29] hmmm [13:30] oh wait, I was meant to go. [13:30] slow wireless makes one linger ;P [13:30] lol [13:37] hrm https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-system-compositor [13:51] i see more dutch in this # than in #ubuntu-nl [13:51] (reading through the logs) [14:16] lol [14:21] charlvn: wb [14:21] charlvn: there are more users in #ubuntu-nl [14:24] while we are on that topic, lol is a word in dutch http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lol#Dutch [14:24] but in afrikaans, lol means to mess around with [14:24] (i think, although i don't have a dictionary reference to prove that with) [14:24] both sound strangely applicable for use on the internet [14:25] lol [14:26] if i remember i will have a look in the "Groot Afrikaans Nederlands Woordeboek" at home tomorrow [14:26] (also called the ANNA) [14:26] inetpro: yeah but they idle [14:26] Kerbero: ah you have one of those... yes very handy! [14:26] they idle until you talk off-topic [14:27] then they get angry at you [14:27] sounds like typical dutch people then [14:28] hey, watchit [14:28] :P [14:28] * inetpro lol [14:28] :D [14:28] * Kerbero heeft lol [14:30] nee ek dink julle lol nou met my [14:30] inetpro: so i have the definition above right then? :P [14:31] * inetpro getting confused with all the lingos in here [14:33] inetpro: dit maak alles sin na 'n amsterdam-styl zol :P [14:33] charlvn: yep, I think so [14:48] does anyone happen to know if http://translate.org.za/ still exists and is operational [14:48] reason for asking is they are still making use of an ancient joomla site i built for them back in 2005/2006 [14:48] i put the site up right after joomla split away from mambo [14:48] charlvn: talk to them at #zaf [14:49] inetpro: tnx [18:08] good evening superfly and the lurkers [18:08] and other busy peeps [18:09] hi dbfx [18:10] are you new here? [18:10] hi Kilos [18:10] yo kbmonkey psydroid [18:13] hi Kilos [18:13] hi superfly [18:14] hi psydroid [18:14] hi Mezenir [18:15] hi all [18:18] greets [18:19] I have an interesting problem to solve. I need to test if an Ubuntu 11.10 CD (official print) is a OK burn [18:20] they have the option when you boot from it dont they [18:20] the issue? the md5sum of the CD is _never_ the same as the ISO [18:20] as explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD [18:20] the CD in question does not get that far into the boot Kilos, so have to check it another way [18:21] eish [18:21] if it cant boot then there must e something wrong [18:21] *be [18:21] catching on ;) [18:21] lol [18:22] problem is, I don't have this disc, somebody else does [18:22] maybe it was a bad iso download [18:22] eish [18:22] official disc [18:22] oh my [18:22] lol [18:22] thats not funny that serious [18:23] funny thing, I boot my 11.04 and it goes straight into setup mode, there is no boot menu to test it... what happened to the boot menu? :/ [18:23] double lol [18:23] whew [18:23] does anybody here have an official 11.10 CD to make an md5sum for me to compare? [18:24] kbmonkey: md5sums are published on releases.ubuntu.com [18:24] those md5sums do _not_ match CD's, only ISO's :/ [18:24] that's my issue [18:25] *or* you can dd the CD through md5sum, but have to count the size of the ISO :p [18:25] yes, that would work. can somebody please tell me thebyte size of the 11.10 ISO? [18:25] you dont even get the option to try it rather than installing kbmonkey / [18:25] the site only lists in Megs :p [18:26] what happened to try it [18:27] try it? [18:27] kbmonkey: you can also see the sizes on releases.ubuntu.com :) [18:27] boot it? no it cannot boot, hangs at an "isolinux " line [18:27] where, at http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ ? [18:28] it says 674M, md5sum needs the exact byte count [18:28] okay i'll go find it somewhere else [18:28] the fly downloaded it, wonder if he still has them [18:29] superfly, do you still have those iso's? [18:29] kbmonkey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/946124/ [18:29] Kilos: the 11.10 ones? [18:29] yes please superfly [18:30] Kilos: no, I don't think so [18:30] tumbleweed, I never knew one can do that. you are my hero and taught me something today! Thanks :) [18:30] np superfly [18:30] everyone should know HTTP :P [18:32] so ubuntu should be releasing pretty soon ? [18:33] few days [18:33] 28th i think [18:34] saturday [18:34] mmm [18:34] No, tomorrow. [18:34] oh 26th [18:34] the release is tomorrow [18:34] Likely tomorrow evening, though maybe as early as the late afternoon. [18:34] they used to have a count down on their site [18:34] not this time [18:36] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown [18:37] bit late for it now! [18:41] Interesting that the CD md5 doesn't match the ISO's. The empty space at disc-end affects the hash [18:41] that is why I needed the ISO length, to force md5 to only hash so many bytes. [18:41] Thanks again tumbleweed [18:42] cool [18:42] strange that its not on the front page [18:43] kbmonkey, what you gonna do now to get it fixed [18:43] cant you use that cd to make a new one [18:44] cp /dev/cdrom ubuntu.iso [18:44] that would make a bad iso if the disc is bad [18:45] have you tried it on another pc? [18:46] I don't have this disc on me Kilos, its somebody else who is having the problem [18:46] so I asked them to check it's md5sum to verify if the disc is OK :) [18:46] tell him just try in another pc [18:47] I'll ask, thanks oom [18:47] ai [18:49] lekker koud ne [18:49] lelik [18:49] shivered all day [18:49] reached only 17°c here [18:50] whats it like in Pmb [18:51] sleepy hollow [18:57] it was colder two days ago, when the front moved in [18:57] not too bad today, cold winds though [18:57] yeah cold wind here all day [19:04] nite all [19:04] night mez [19:04] sjoe [19:06] kbmonkey, cam you remember who got the cds to distribute last release in Pta [19:07] maybe maia would have records [19:07] the previous release? maia did, and sent them to other peeps [19:08] ya thats what i wanna find out who got them here [19:08] normally got a few left over [19:15] evening all [19:15] hi magespawn [19:15] whats up? [19:16] down actually [19:16] temps [19:17] and the monkey battling to get a cd working that doesnt install [19:17] but via remote [19:17] hiya magespawn [19:18] hey superfly [19:18] thats sounds hectic Kilos [19:19] kbmonkey, tell magespawn [19:19] hes checking md5 goodies and all [19:19] and its an official cd [19:20] i think its the pc [19:22] I asked them to check the CD integrity, will know more when I get areply :) [19:22] i have had problems with sata cdrom drives before [19:31] I was thining perhaps its a sata thing [19:31] thinking* [19:32] or acpi [19:34] i usually make a live usb and do it that way === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] [19:41] night guys. good luck with all you endeavours [19:41] sleep warm === ser_ is now known as magespawn [19:42] oh he's gone... [19:42] hey back again [19:42] see Kilos is off to bed [19:52] has anybody read the millennium triology? [20:08] I finished the 2nd book 2 weeks ago magespawn [20:08] have the 3rd, haven't started yet [20:08] I got stuck into Cryptonomicon by Neil Stephenson [20:09] You reading the trilogy magespawn ? [20:12] kbmonkey: what books are these? [20:12] and evening [20:12] yes kbmonkey on the third book now [20:13] the first is called the girl with the dragon tattoo [20:13] ah, want to read those [20:13] evening Squirm [20:14] they are good reading [20:15] tumbleweed: or just as follows [20:15] HEAD http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-11.10-alternate-amd64.iso [20:15] inetpro: yeah, that's what I suggested [20:16] (lynx is just a convenient tool for making head requests) [20:16] curl can also do them, but the syntax is harder to remember [20:16] but there's a HEAD command and all [20:17] no need for curl nor lynx === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [20:18] uses the perl LWP-REQUEST module [20:21] good to know inetpro [20:21] yes they are good reads Squirm. the screenplays are good adaptations too [20:22] I'll read the books first [20:23] naturally they changed some of the story arcs a bit, as these things go [20:23] but stayed pretty true to the feel IMO [20:24] time to give the pc a break, reading sounds good now [20:24] chat laters... [20:26] inetpro: cor, that's been around since 1998 and I never noticed [20:27] tumbleweed: never to old to learn :-) === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero