[06:46] <inetpro> good morning
[08:02] <bakuman> O_O
[08:37] <gelie> What time tomorrow does Precise isos become available here in South Africa ?
[08:51] <bakuman> Precise isos have been available since alpha build
[08:52] <bakuman> not sure when this official release will be available though
[08:52] <bakuman> O_o oops, he is offline
[08:53] <inetpro> hmm... 
[09:29] <maiatoday> offhand does anyone know how I can give a service which was started with rc.local access to a display 
[09:46] <charlvn> maiatoday: you mean you want to direct the stdout or stderr streams to a console?
[09:49] <maiatoday> hmm no charlvn I am trying to get our continous integration process running. to run the tests I need to fire up an emulator which is a window/gui
[09:49] <charlvn> ah ok not sure what that is about
[09:49] <maiatoday> but the process which is accessed by the continous integration process is started as a service and so it can'tfind a display when I ask it to open the emulator
[09:50] <maiatoday> charlvn
[09:51] <maiatoday> you just helped me
[09:51] <maiatoday> when I explained what I wanted I realised maybe I can ask the emulator to startup without a window
[09:52] <charlvn> ah ok glad to be of accidental assistance lol
[09:54] <maiatoday> aha there is a -no-window option !
[09:58] <Squirm> morning people
[09:58] <charlvn> morning Squirm 
[10:04] <zeref> hmmmm
[10:04] <zeref> anybody managed to install gnome-shell?
[10:04] <zeref> *in ubuntu 12.04
[10:08]  * Squirm waits for releease
[10:08] <Squirm> release
[11:00] <kbmonkey> hello there
[11:12] <charlvn> hi kbmonkey 
[12:21] <kbmonkey> hi charlvn, psydroid :)
[12:24] <kbmonkey> hoe ganit?
[12:24] <psydroid> hoi kbmonkey :)
[12:25] <psydroid> dit gaan goe met my, dankie :P
[12:25] <psydroid> hoe gaan dit met jou?
[12:25]  * kbmonkey biscuits for everyone
[12:32]  * psydroid dankie
[12:33]  * psydroid offers tea and coffee to go with the biscuits
[12:35] <kbmonkey> hmm
[12:35] <kbmonkey> Maaz, tea please
[12:35] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[12:35] <Kerbero> psydroid, adres?
[12:35] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[12:35]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz, how do i use coffee
[12:36] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Times coffee brewing and reserves cups for people. You can use it like this:
[12:36] <Maaz>   coffee (on|please)
[12:36] <psydroid> Kerbero, het wordt verstuurd met digitale post, dat gaat een stuk sneller
[12:37] <kbmonkey> sneller? are you dutch psydroid?
[12:38] <psydroid> kbmonkey, yes, I am
[12:39] <psydroid> dutch of indian origin
[12:39] <kbmonkey> :)
[12:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[12:47] <Kerbero> O
[12:47] <Kerbero> leuk
[12:47] <Kerbero> mijn vader is een nederlander
[12:47] <Kerbero> en mijn opa is geboren op java
[12:47] <psydroid> ah, nu snap ik waarom je ook goed nederlands spreekt
[12:47] <psydroid> dat is erg interessant
[12:47] <Kerbero> :)
[12:48] <psydroid> ik ben geboren in suriname
[12:48] <Kerbero> ahh ok
[12:48] <psydroid> en mijn overgrootouders komen uit india
[12:50] <Kerbero> i am wearing my ubuntu tshirt today
[12:51] <psydroid> is ubuntu big in south africa?
[12:51] <kbmonkey> I understand what you say, I just cant speak nederlands myself
[12:51] <psydroid> it's the same with afrikaans for me
[12:51] <Kerbero> praat afrikaans en plak 'n nederlandse aksent bo op
[12:51] <kbmonkey> it's bit in some regions
[12:52] <Kerbero> :P
[12:52] <psydroid> I just utter nonsense hoping it makes some sense :P
[12:52] <kbmonkey> hah oraait Kerbero ek sal so maak ;P
[12:52] <kbmonkey> big* in some regions, depending where
[12:53] <kbmonkey> not as big as the rest of the world, our LUG's are small compared to other cities
[12:53] <Kerbero> yes
[12:53] <Kerbero> i'm at university and here it is bigger than in other palces
[12:53] <Kerbero> about 1% of the people use ubuntu
[12:54] <psydroid> I think it also has to do something with the distribution of computers and broadband
[12:55] <psydroid> I used to see linux only at university too, these days it's usable to many more people in businesses and at home
[12:55] <Kerbero> i bought a new computer for my parents now
[12:55] <Kerbero> and i still don't know if i shoudl give them ubuntu or win7
[12:56] <kbmonkey> Why question it Kerbero ;)
[12:56] <psydroid> dual boot maybe?
[12:56] <Kerbero> yeah i'm considering dualboot
[12:57] <psydroid> I think ubuntu is really good for almost all tasks
[12:57] <Kerbero> kbmonkey, because doing tech support over the phone is tediious
[12:57] <kbmonkey> yes. doing windows tech support even more so
[12:57] <psydroid> but there are just a few things that might be missing, those are being filled in quickly though
[12:58] <psydroid> I don't do windows tech for that reason
[12:58] <kbmonkey> make a list with them what software they regularly use
[12:58] <Kerbero> at least i already have the parent in firefox and thunderbird
[12:58] <Kerbero> so that will be the same
[12:58] <psydroid> it's horrible
[12:58] <Kerbero> and are the two things they use the most
[12:58] <kbmonkey> and do some research how much can ubuntu replicate or replace
[12:59] <kbmonkey> but personally, I would use Gnome standard, change panels to resemle win layout
[13:00] <kbmonkey> make it easier for them to recognize familiar features
[13:00] <Kerbero> or force them to use unity
[13:00] <kbmonkey> I'd love to push Unity on my pops.
[13:00] <Kerbero> with the thunderbird and firefox icons stuck on the panel permanently
[13:00] <kbmonkey> I'd never use it, they will.
[13:01] <Kerbero> i use it everywhere
[13:01] <Kerbero> 12.04 of course
[13:04] <kbmonkey> I feel so dirty, on windows now :/
[13:06] <kbmonkey> lol
[13:07] <kbmonkey> well catch you all laters
[13:11] <psydroid> later kbmonkey
[13:12] <psydroid> hi zeref
[13:13] <zeref> hi psy
[13:13] <zeref> sigh
[13:13] <zeref> hi psydroid 
[13:28] <zeref> hmmm
[13:29] <kbmonkey> hmmm
[13:30] <kbmonkey> oh wait, I was meant to go. 
[13:30] <kbmonkey> slow wireless makes one linger ;P
[13:30] <zeref> lol
[13:37] <tumbleweed> hrm https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-system-compositor
[13:51] <charlvn> i see more dutch in this # than in #ubuntu-nl
[13:51] <charlvn> (reading through the logs)
[14:16] <Kerbero> lol
[14:21] <inetpro> charlvn: wb
[14:21] <inetpro> charlvn: there are more users in #ubuntu-nl
[14:24] <charlvn> while we are on that topic, lol is a word in dutch http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lol#Dutch
[14:24] <charlvn> but in afrikaans, lol means to mess around with
[14:24] <charlvn> (i think, although i don't have a dictionary reference to prove that with)
[14:24] <charlvn> both sound strangely applicable for use on the internet
[14:25] <Kerbero> lol
[14:26] <Kerbero> if i remember i will have a look in the "Groot Afrikaans Nederlands Woordeboek" at home tomorrow
[14:26] <Kerbero> (also called the ANNA)
[14:26] <charlvn> inetpro: yeah but they idle
[14:26] <charlvn> Kerbero: ah you have one of those... yes very handy!
[14:26] <Kerbero> they idle until you talk off-topic
[14:27] <Kerbero> then they get angry at you
[14:27] <charlvn> sounds like typical dutch people then
[14:28] <Kerbero> hey, watchit
[14:28] <Kerbero> :P
[14:28]  * inetpro lol
[14:28] <charlvn> :D
[14:28]  * Kerbero heeft lol
[14:30] <inetpro> nee ek dink julle lol nou met my
[14:30] <charlvn> inetpro: so i have the definition above right then? :P
[14:31]  * inetpro getting confused with all the lingos in here
[14:33] <charlvn> inetpro: dit maak alles sin na 'n amsterdam-styl zol :P
[14:33] <inetpro> charlvn: yep, I think so
[14:48] <charlvn> does anyone happen to know if http://translate.org.za/ still exists and is operational
[14:48] <charlvn> reason for asking is they are still making use of an ancient joomla site i built for them back in 2005/2006
[14:48] <charlvn> i put the site up right after joomla split away from mambo
[14:48] <inetpro> charlvn: talk to them at #zaf
[14:49] <charlvn> inetpro: tnx
[18:08] <Kilos> good evening superfly and the lurkers 
[18:08] <Kilos> and other busy peeps
[18:09] <Kilos> hi dbfx 
[18:10] <Kilos> are you new here?
[18:10] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:10] <Kilos> yo kbmonkey psydroid 
[18:13] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:13] <psydroid> hi superfly
[18:14] <superfly> hi psydroid
[18:14] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[18:15] <Mezenir> hi all
[18:18] <kbmonkey> greets
[18:19] <kbmonkey> I have an interesting problem to solve. I need to test if an Ubuntu 11.10 CD (official print) is a OK burn
[18:20] <Kilos> they have the option when you boot from it dont they
[18:20] <kbmonkey> the issue? the md5sum of the CD is _never_ the same as the ISO
[18:20] <kbmonkey> as explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD
[18:20] <kbmonkey> the CD in question does not get that far into the boot Kilos, so have to check it another way
[18:21] <Kilos> eish
[18:21] <Kilos> if it cant boot then there must e something wrong
[18:21] <Kilos> *be
[18:21] <kbmonkey> catching on ;)
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <kbmonkey> problem is, I don't have this disc, somebody else does
[18:22] <Kilos> maybe it was a bad iso download
[18:22] <Kilos> eish
[18:22] <kbmonkey> official disc
[18:22] <Kilos> oh my
[18:22] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:22] <Kilos> thats not funny that serious
[18:23] <kbmonkey> funny thing, I boot my 11.04 and it goes straight into setup mode, there is no boot menu to test it... what happened to the boot menu? :/
[18:23] <kbmonkey> double lol
[18:23] <Kilos> whew
[18:23] <kbmonkey> does anybody here have an official 11.10 CD to make an md5sum for me to compare? 
[18:24] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: md5sums are published on releases.ubuntu.com
[18:24] <kbmonkey> those md5sums do _not_ match CD's, only ISO's :/
[18:24] <kbmonkey> that's my issue
[18:25] <kbmonkey> *or* you can dd the CD through md5sum, but have to count the size of the ISO :p
[18:25] <kbmonkey> yes, that would work. can somebody please tell me thebyte size of the 11.10 ISO?
[18:25] <Kilos> you dont even get the option to try it rather than installing kbmonkey /
[18:25] <kbmonkey> the site only lists in Megs :p
[18:26] <Kilos> what happened to try it
[18:27] <kbmonkey> try it?
[18:27] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: you can also see the sizes on releases.ubuntu.com :)
[18:27] <kbmonkey> boot it? no it cannot boot, hangs at an "isolinux " line
[18:27] <kbmonkey> where, at http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ ?
[18:28] <kbmonkey> it says 674M, md5sum needs the exact byte count
[18:28] <kbmonkey> okay i'll go find it somewhere else
[18:28] <Kilos> the fly downloaded it, wonder if he still has them
[18:29] <Kilos> superfly, do you still have those iso's?
[18:29] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/946124/
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: the 11.10 ones?
[18:29] <Kilos> yes please superfly 
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: no, I don't think so
[18:30] <kbmonkey> tumbleweed, I never knew one can do that. you are my hero and taught me something today! Thanks :)
[18:30] <Kilos> np superfly 
[18:30] <tumbleweed> everyone should know HTTP :P
[18:32] <Mezenir> so ubuntu should be releasing pretty soon ?
[18:33] <Kilos> few days
[18:33] <Kilos> 28th i think
[18:34] <Mezenir> saturday
[18:34] <Mezenir> mmm
[18:34] <superfly> No, tomorrow.
[18:34] <Kilos> oh 26th
[18:34] <tumbleweed> the release is tomorrow
[18:34] <superfly> Likely tomorrow evening, though maybe as early as the late afternoon.
[18:34] <Mezenir> they used to have a count down on their site
[18:34] <Mezenir> not this time
[18:36] <superfly> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
[18:37] <superfly> bit late for it now!
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Interesting that the CD md5 doesn't match the ISO's. The empty space at disc-end affects the hash
[18:41] <kbmonkey> that is why I needed the ISO length, to force md5 to only hash so many bytes. 
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Thanks again tumbleweed 
[18:42] <Mezenir> cool
[18:42] <Mezenir> strange that its not on the front page
[18:43] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what you gonna do now to get it fixed
[18:43] <Kilos> cant you use that cd to make a new one
[18:44] <Kilos> cp /dev/cdrom ubuntu.iso
[18:44] <kbmonkey> that would make a bad iso if the disc is bad
[18:45] <Kilos> have you tried it on another pc?
[18:46] <kbmonkey> I don't have this disc on me Kilos, its somebody else who is having the problem
[18:46] <kbmonkey> so I asked them to check it's md5sum to verify if the disc is OK :)
[18:46] <Kilos> tell him just try in another pc
[18:47] <kbmonkey> I'll ask, thanks oom
[18:47] <Kilos> ai
[18:49] <kbmonkey> lekker koud ne
[18:49] <Kilos> lelik
[18:49] <Kilos> shivered all day
[18:49] <Kilos> reached only 17°c here
[18:50] <Kilos> whats it like in Pmb
[18:51] <Kilos> sleepy hollow
[18:57] <kbmonkey> it was colder two days ago, when the front moved in
[18:57] <kbmonkey> not too bad today, cold winds though
[18:57] <Kilos> yeah cold wind here all day
[19:04] <Mezenir> nite all
[19:04] <Kilos> night mez
[19:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:06] <Kilos> kbmonkey, cam you remember who got the cds to distribute last release in Pta
[19:07] <Kilos> maybe maia would have records
[19:07] <kbmonkey> the previous release? maia did, and sent them to other peeps
[19:08] <Kilos> ya thats what i wanna find out who got them here
[19:08] <Kilos> normally got a few left over
[19:15] <magespawn> evening all
[19:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[19:15] <magespawn> whats up?
[19:16] <Kilos> down actually
[19:16] <Kilos> temps
[19:17] <Kilos> and the monkey battling to get a cd working that doesnt install
[19:17] <Kilos> but via remote
[19:17] <superfly> hiya magespawn
[19:18] <magespawn> hey superfly
[19:18] <magespawn> thats sounds hectic Kilos
[19:19] <Kilos> kbmonkey, tell magespawn 
[19:19] <Kilos> hes checking md5 goodies and all
[19:19] <Kilos> and its an official cd
[19:20] <Kilos> i think its the pc
[19:22] <kbmonkey> I asked them to check the CD integrity, will know more when I get areply :)
[19:22] <magespawn> i have had problems with sata cdrom drives before 
[19:31] <kbmonkey> I was thining perhaps its a sata thing
[19:31] <kbmonkey> thinking*
[19:32] <kbmonkey> or acpi
[19:34] <magespawn> i usually make a live usb and do it that way
[19:41] <Kilos> night guys. good luck with all you endeavours
[19:41] <Kilos> sleep warm
[19:42] <kbmonkey> oh he's gone...
[19:42] <magespawn> hey back again
[19:42] <magespawn> see Kilos is off to bed
[19:52] <magespawn> has anybody read the millennium triology?
[20:08] <kbmonkey> I finished the 2nd book 2 weeks ago magespawn 
[20:08] <kbmonkey> have the 3rd, haven't started yet
[20:08] <kbmonkey> I got stuck into Cryptonomicon by Neil Stephenson
[20:09] <kbmonkey> You reading the trilogy magespawn ?
[20:12] <Squirm> kbmonkey: what books are these?
[20:12] <Squirm> and evening
[20:12] <magespawn> yes kbmonkey on the third book now
[20:13] <magespawn> the first is called the girl with the dragon tattoo
[20:13] <Squirm> ah, want to read those
[20:13] <magespawn> evening Squirm
[20:14] <magespawn> they are good reading
[20:15] <inetpro> tumbleweed: or just as follows
[20:15] <inetpro> HEAD http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-11.10-alternate-amd64.iso
[20:15] <tumbleweed> inetpro: yeah, that's what I suggested
[20:16] <tumbleweed> (lynx is just a convenient tool for making head requests)
[20:16] <tumbleweed> curl can also do them, but the syntax is harder to remember
[20:16] <inetpro> but there's a HEAD command and all
[20:17] <inetpro> no need for curl nor lynx
[20:18] <inetpro> uses the perl LWP-REQUEST module
[20:21] <kbmonkey> good to know inetpro
[20:21] <kbmonkey> yes they are good reads Squirm. the screenplays are good adaptations too
[20:22] <Squirm> I'll read the books first
[20:23] <kbmonkey> naturally they changed some of the story arcs a bit, as these things go
[20:23] <kbmonkey> but stayed pretty true to the feel IMO
[20:24] <kbmonkey> time to give the pc a break, reading sounds good now
[20:24] <kbmonkey> chat laters...
[20:26] <tumbleweed> inetpro: cor, that's been around since 1998 and I never noticed
[20:27] <inetpro> tumbleweed: never to old to learn :-)