[03:56] I would really love to have a home Ubuntu One server. This would be used to synchronize locally for all members of the family or small business. I mean; when I'm at home, Ubuntu One will automatically synchronize with my local server, which will in turn synchronize online. Is this currently possible? [07:33] jo-erlend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Headless [07:38] popey, that syncs my server with ubuntuone. But how do I sync my client with my server? [07:44] jo-erlend: there is no LAN sync yet [08:39] Morning all! *8OD [08:44] morning all! [09:45] mandel: do you recall off-the-top-of-your-head how to determine what reactor I need to be running for SyncDaemonTool to be working? [09:45] rye, which os? [09:46] rye, and, AFAIK the best choice would be the glib on linux any on windows since the IPC is native to twisted [09:46] rye, son on windows, you can let twisted decide which reactor to use [09:46] mandel: both, for linux i'll grab glib2reactor [09:46] oh [09:46] mandel: thanks [09:46] rye, no problem :) [09:47] rye, bare in mind that because sd has integration with unity and uses pygobject it uses the glib3reactor [09:47] rye, in case youwant to use it with some gtk ui or something [09:48] mandel: no, no gui for now but thanks, will keep this in mind [09:49] rye, let me know if you need any help :) [09:50] mandel: sure :) [10:21] verterok: is there a better way to query for metadata of 23K files than dbus request? [10:26] i wonder whether we could gain anything by using xattrs [10:51] ubuntu_sso.utils.webclient ? [10:51] imported by syncdaemon? [10:51] ummm [11:07] good morning! [11:10] rye: with syncdaemon off, you can always "query" the data in tricask...but's not even close to the dbus methods [11:13] 2012-04-25 14:12:18+0300 [-] ImportError: No module named gi.repository [11:13] seriously??... [11:19] rye, where is that happening? [11:20] rye, if it happens with the glib2reactor that is done on purpose to avoid getting in a segfault [11:20] rye, that probably means you need the glib3reactor [11:20] * mandel is kind of embarrassed he knows such details from twisted [11:44] mandel: erm... where do i get glib3reactor? [11:45] rye, let me check [11:45] rye, can you import twisted.internet.gireactor ? [11:46] rye, or twisted.internet.gtk3reactor? [11:46] rye, the name is not that consistent [11:46] mandel: gireactor works, thank you. I searched for glib3 and found that it does not exist :) [11:47] cool [11:58] good morning! [11:58] ralsina, morning! [11:59] hello mandel [11:59] ralsina, apparently nicola is getting traction it was mentioned in python madrid O_o [11:59] mandel: really? [11:59] mandel: cool :-) [11:59] ralsina, yes, and it was not mean :) [11:59] tell them I said hi ;-) [12:00] ralsina, will do :) [12:00] ralsina, so, got bad news for you, I have been running the u1-client tests enabling the squid tests and they are broken :( [12:00] hammertime [12:00] ralsina, is the tests, so is not THAT bad [12:01] mandel: on windows? [12:01] ralsina, yes, windows + squid == broken tests [12:01] mandel: ok [12:01] mandel: is it the squid or the tests? Because we can always switch to a more "windows" proxy [12:02] ralsina, this is just some work I'm doing before I land the tcpactivation code, I want to have 100% tests running on windows to avoid braking it [12:02] even though I would hate it [12:02] ralsina, is not squid, since other tests are ok [12:02] mandel: ok [12:03] ralsina, I'll take a look, I prefer to 'loose' some time on this, and go to the mac port knowing what works than spending time on mac, get back and find everything broken, what do you think? [12:03] sure [12:03] lessons learned and all that [12:03] ralsina, hehe just what I though, is less stressful too [12:06] ralsina, we can start landing the fixes for u1-devtools, check the problem and later add the squid to the jenkins machine [12:06] gatox, morning! I need your evil windows machine :) [12:06] mandel, shoot [12:07] if you need any less evil machines, let me know [12:07] briancurtin, I do :) [12:07] briancurtin, gatox, can you run the tests for lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/domain-sockets [12:07] hi gatox, briancurtin [12:08] hi ralsina [12:08] ralsina, hi [12:08] mandel, on it [12:08] briancurtin, gatox, I've moved the tests implementations to use twisted.internet.endpoints so that we can pass descriptions and use tcp and domain sockets with no code changes and the api of twisted is a little diff [12:09] so, I'm not sure if it is correctly implemented :( [12:09] mandel: any dependency here, or just put that branch in the path and run sso tests, right? [12:10] briancurtin, no deps, just pull and runtests :) [12:12] mandel, all the tests are ok..... just a couple of lint issues......... but i don't trust pylint in windows [12:13] gatox, superb! [12:13] need to leave for a while....REALLY IMPORTANT errand..... i'll be back as soon as possible! [12:14] ah, it looks like i need to update run-tests.bat in dev-tools [12:16] briancurtin, yep, is my crappy old one [12:23] hola all! [12:24] ralsina, gatox: I'll be starting a little later today. I need to go with my daughter to kinder, since it's the kinder's 70th anniversary, and they are throwing a party. [12:24] ralsina, gatox: I'll be back before standup (I *hope*) [12:24] alecu: ack [12:25] * alecu is not much fond of socializing with other parents. [12:25] alecu: having arrived 1 hour late for "the first pencilbox" ceremony, I feel your pain ;-) [12:25] alecu: s/parents/humans/ [12:25] exactly! [12:26] so go have "fun" [12:27] * mandel imagines alecu as a desperate house husband, the ginger one :P [12:27] hello, is there a way to clear out the u1sd queue? i asked the daemon to sync a directory and it pushed 2GB of traffic last night, but no actual files seem to have been uploaded [12:32] mandel: domain socket branch passes for me [12:32] briancurtin, great, I'll me doing some more minor changes to allow domain sockets, will update ALL tests in ALL projects and will ask for evil machines again :) [12:32] achiang, I think rye can help with that [12:33] * achiang waits [12:33] :) [12:36] mandel: rye: hm, seems to actually be making progress now. a diff of u1sdtool --waiting from 10 minutes ago to now does show a change [12:36] who knows what it was doing last night. :-/ [12:38] achiang: what os and what release are you running? [12:40] I'm off to have lunch! [12:40] * mandel lunch [12:41] rye: whatever is in latest precise [12:42] briancurtin: the BAT syntax is having a cagematch with bash syntax to see what's uglier, and they both got smashed on the face with folding chairs [12:42] briancurtin: I mean FOR %%A in (python.exe) do (SET PYTHONEXEPATH=%%~$PATH:A) [12:43] ralsina: i want to meet the person who created the batch language, just to see what is wrong with them [12:43] briancurtin: What, for the living and loving heart of bruce wayne is that supposed to do? [12:44] I mean, why a loop? [12:45] ralsina: that's actually a method i came across several times around the web for doing something like this, so the more i saw it in searches, the more i figured that's how it has to be. i'm not sure how to replace it, but i wish i knew [12:46] briancurtin: hehe [12:46] briancurtin: I would call that cargo cult programming, but then Iwould have to understand what it does to replace it (or not) so I will abstain [12:46] haha, when i was reading jane's email i was thinking "which one of you told her about the batch scripts" [12:47] haha [12:54] achiang: you might want to install the indicator and see whether the queue is being processed or it is stuck at 200 [12:54] rye: oh! there's an indicator? [12:54] ah [12:55] achiang: https://launchpad.net/indicator-ubuntuone - my pet rock [12:55] * rye is back to hammertime [12:57] briancurtin: +1 code review type "I give up" [12:58] ralsina: thanks :) [12:59] WTF, I had a branch with two reviews, now it has none! [12:59] https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/unique_in_ubuntu/+merge/103337 [12:59] And it had failed merge attempts and now it doesn't! WTF???? [13:00] sweet. """ u"something".replace(u"o", u"b"), """ returns a tuple. Who notices why? :) [13:00] gatox: could you +1 that one? [13:00] trailing comma [13:00] briancurtin: eeexactly [13:00] rye: almost anything is a tuple with trailing comma :-) [13:01] a=2, [13:01] ralsina: print "not really", [13:01] means a is a tuple :-) [13:01] rye: because print doesn't return a value [13:01] that's why the print statement is awful [13:02] print function for life [13:08] ralsina: wtf [13:09] dobey: I have no idea. Never saw that happen before [13:09] ralsina: indeed. i'll look into it [13:09] dobey: thanks [13:09] ralsina: maybe something happened to LP last night/this am, that screwed with the db [13:10] dobey: I just noticed it when I was about to ping you about it failing at tarmac [13:10] yes, maybe it rolled back something [13:12] the failure also makes no sense to me [13:16] dobey: yes, nonsense all around [13:18] ralsina: you so qwazy [13:18] was my fault? [13:19] * ralsina has no power to delete launchpad comments [13:19] ralsina: you made 2 proposals at the same time [13:19] https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/unique_in_ubuntu/+merge/103336 is the right one [13:19] dobey: eh? [13:19] I most certainly did not do such a thing [13:19] well there were two proposals with separate IDs :) [13:20] both created "19 hours ago" [13:20] dobey https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/unique_in_ubuntu/+merge/103337 is not there anymore [13:20] i deleted the duplicate one [13:20] ah, k [13:20] ok, twitchy finger or something [13:21] So now we just have the nonsense tarmac bounce [13:22] well, not nonsense, but no idea why it's doing that [13:22] back! [13:22] i am guessing because the windows test you renamed also did something that poked the IPC API [13:23] and since it's on linux it's trying to start a dbus instance for some reason, probably because it's not using DBUsTestCase, so u1trial isn't starting one for it [13:23] ralsina, i'm back, i'm trying to open the mp you told to +1..... but it fails..... [13:23] gatox: ignore it [13:23] ralsina, and now i read that is not there anymore :P [13:24] gatox: yeah, strangest thing ;-) [13:25] dobey: I did run the tests on linux, but maybe it was just using my session bus [13:25] ralsina: indeed it would have [13:25] dobey: I will run it on a console to see if I can isolate it [13:26] dobey: ok, got it, will fix and resubmit [13:28] resubmit? [13:29] dobey: for more reviews, since it will inovlve changes [13:30] dobey: but anyway, on a ssh to localhost without dbus, it works when I run "xvfb-run -a u1trial --reactor=qt4 --gui ubuntuone/controlpanel/gui/qt/uniqueapp/tests/test_unique_app.py" but not from run-tests [13:31] dobey: because for some reason it's not using xvfb. Damn, I need coffee now. [13:31] Ok, got it, small fix in run-tests needed [13:32] ralsina: no need to "resubmit" it [13:33] dobey: wrong word. But ask for re-reviews. Now that I know it's just a run-tests thing, not even that [13:33] ralsina: please don't just fix it by running xvfb-run [13:33] "fix" [13:33] dobey: no, I have to add a folder to QT_TESTS [13:33] even [13:33] hmm [13:34] because these are Qt tests [13:42] * mandel back === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:45] dobey, I fixed the comments from https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/fix-squid-tests/+merge/103325 may I have a re-review? [13:46] dobey, and I have a question for you, is there a method in trial test case to create a random file within _trial_temp? [13:47] mandel: I think BaseTestCase in devtools has one [13:48] dobey, but there is no guarantee that a test that is using the server code I wrong is a BaseTestCase.. right? [13:49] mandel: or that it's even using a TrialTestCase [13:50] or twisted.unittest.TestCase or whatever it is [13:51] dobey, exactly.. I need to pass a unique path to the domain socket, what do you think is the best approach? I thinking of doing something similar to what is done in BaseTestCase but within my code, but I hate to see code duplication [13:52] mandel: why not just use tmpdir? [13:52] sorry tempfile [13:52] well, the one from the testcase should be used [13:53] tests shouldn't write to any files outside the tree [13:53] dobey, ralsina, that is the deal, we want the things to be self contain [13:53] because if there's nothing there, using tempfile.mkdtemp(dir=TEMPDIR) and then a fixed name in there for the socket should be trivial [13:54] agreed [13:54] mandel: but you don't want a method that create a file, because you need a socket ;-) [13:54] ralsina: that is basically exactly what the method on the test case does :) [13:54] mandel: so you need a method to create a random FOLDER in TEMPDIR [13:55] ralsina, dobey, I can do the following TidySocketServer(temp_dir=None) if tempdir is non I'll deal with it [13:55] mandel: ack [13:56] i'd have to look at that code again to make a better recommendation [13:57] gatox: swap? [13:57] ralsina, yep..... what happend?? is not a national holiday this monday and tuesday? [13:57] gatox: yes, did not remember you were swapping [13:58] dobey, yep, I'll do the MP and then we can discuss with a little more context [13:58] gatox: did you mention and my alzheimer is showing? [13:58] ralsina, sorry..... i forgot to mention... just send the request...... let me know if it is possible..... no problem either way [13:58] gatox: sure, no problem at all [14:22] ralsina, mandel is this file really necessary?? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu-sso-client/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu_sso/utils/linux.py (in the mac branch we are moving ":/linux.qss" to a dict in ubuntu_sso/utils/__init__.py) [14:22] i'm asking to see if i can remove this file in this branch... or it would be better to leave there for another reason [14:22] gatox, remove remove [14:22] gatox: kill it [14:23] jeje ok then! [14:23] gatox: there used to be a bit more in one or the other of those [14:23] ralsina, the qtwisted one (used for windows and mac) has some functions, but not this one [14:24] gatox: yes, that's why it can die [14:25] ralsina: can you do a backport of your unique_in_ubuntu for stable-3-0 ? [14:25] dobey: sure, should be exactly the same branch [14:26] yeah you can just make a branch of stable-3-0 then bzr merge -c $REVNO lp:ubuntuone-control-panel to pull in that change, and commit --fixes and everything again with same message even [14:28] dobey: cool [14:30] * dobey wonders why the trend for loading spinner images is to have them look like orubori [14:32] dobey: that's the ETA estimate [14:33] it will arrive when the snake's done eating [14:33] for some sites that is definitely true [14:33] (they never load) [14:34] mandel, i need you to review this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/mac-port/+merge/103488 (so we can land this... or keep fixing it :P) [14:34] mandel, the tests in windows and llinux are OK [14:34] gatox, on it! [14:35] dobey: https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/unique-3-0/+merge/103489 [14:36] hehehe cute: AF_UNIX path too long. [14:43] crap, my 3-0 branch fails tests [14:44] But so does stable-3-0 so it's not me. Dobey, something is boken in stable-3-0 tests. Mandel, it's about BaseMockWebServer [14:45] ralsina, my I see the error? [14:45] dobey, mandel: https://pastebin.canonical.com/64916/ [14:45] eh? [14:45] mandel: pastebin above, fails the same in my notebook and on tarmac [14:45] ralsina: do you have python-ubuntu-sso-client.tests installed? [14:46] i think that's the package name [14:46] dobey: apparently not [14:47] dobey, is that new? [14:47] dobey: makes no difference if I install it [14:47] ralsina, running tests in my machine as we speak [14:47] weird [14:48] ralsina, I have no issues what so ever [14:48] dobey, when did python-ubuntu-sso-client.tests appear? [14:48] mandel: are you on today's nightlies? [14:48] ah ha [14:49] because it fails with nightlies [14:49] right [14:49] dobey, I'm not [14:49] looks like we have some divergence between nightlies and release we should not have [14:49] ralsina, ^ [14:49] ralsina: no, that divergence is fine [14:50] or well, it's because that thing was removed, to fix tests on buildout or whatever, when the stuff got merged into devtools [14:51] and we don't have a quantal vm yet [14:51] ralsina, I just upgraded, things are ok on my side.. does it fail on tarmac too? [14:52] mandel: yes [14:52] ralsina, can you pass me your branch? [14:52] mandel: https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/unique-3-0 [14:52] mandel: but stable-3-0 already has the sameissue [14:53] * mandel checks [14:53] holas! [14:56] ralsina, which revno in trunk [14:56] alecu, buenas! [14:58] ralsina, 317 works on in my machine [14:58] mandel: because you are not on nightlies [14:58] hola alecus! === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:59] ralsina, I am, please do bzr merge lp:ubuntuone-control-panel in your branch and it will be fixed [15:00] ralsina, the branches have diverged, that is all [15:00] mandel: but my branch is to merge into STABLE not trunk :-) [15:00] mandel: and it can't be merged into stable because we are on nightlies in tarmac and then it fails [15:01] meh [15:02] ralsina, then you have to pass the bloody path tothe sso stable branch and will pass [15:02] me [15:02] mandel: right [15:02] me [15:02] me [15:02] me [15:03] mandel: which we are not doing in tarmac [15:04] mandel, ralsina: applied workaround, it should land next go-round [15:04] dobey: awesome [15:04] thisfred, alecu, mmcc: standup? [15:04] me [15:04] me (writing notes) [15:05] dobey: needs a re-approval? [15:05] briancurtin: go [15:05] ralsina: already done [15:05] λ DONE: backports, review [15:05] λ TODO: backports, SRUs, u1db packaging/buildsys [15:05] λ BLCK: none. [15:05] briancurtin: next [15:05] DONE: ended up dropping PyQt/Qt version unification, 1-1, working on getting installer situation fixed [15:05] TODO: add startup script to bitrock installer, a lot of testing, half day off in the afternoon [15:05] BLOCKED: None [15:05] NEXT: mandel [15:05] DONE: Bug 987213 Bug 987225 Bug 987256 Bug 988228 to get squid on windows. Foudn out proxy u1-client tests are broken on windows. Worked on chaing devtools to use endpoints and be able to use domain sockets. [15:05] TODO: more on devtools, once landed change all tests for new api, move to tcpactivation. [15:05] BLOCK: no [15:05] gatox, go [15:05] DONE: [15:05] Submit 3 branches to get things working on MAC OS, help mmcc with to setup his environment and get tests running on mac. Propose mac port branch (from urbbanape with some fixes) [15:05] TODO: [15:05] Start landing mac branches and get things running on mac [15:05] BLOCK: [15:05] Launchpad bug 987213 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "ncsa_auth is not correctly set on windows" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987213 [15:05] No [15:05] Launchpad bug 987225 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "Squid configuration paths mix windows and linux separators" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987225 [15:05] ralsina, go [15:05] Launchpad bug 987256 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "The squid process is not killed on windows" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987256 [15:05] Launchpad bug 988228 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "On windows data files are stored in the wrong location" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/988228 [15:05] DONE: reviews, uniqueapp for ubuntu, reviews, mgmt call, 1-1 with brian, canonicaladmin, etc. TODO: fix a bug maybe, help build the upstart cookbook, random other bits and pieces BLOCKED: no, NEXT: mmcc [15:05] done: got sso_client tests up and running [15:05] todo: setup mumble, ask more questions, get big picture, [15:05] blocked: none [15:06] next? [15:06] sorry [15:06] alecu, you! [15:06] dobey, ralsina, alecu, we need to decide a way to work around this issues.. [15:06] DONE: enlightening roadmap call with joshua, got back to security issues, kinder 70th anniversary [15:06] TODO: patches for security issues. [15:06] NEXT: thisfred [15:06] mandel: it will be fine once we have a q vm to use [15:07] mandel: for jenkis we are using buildout to get a consistent set of sources so tests are always ran against the right branches of our whole stack [15:07] mandel: but we want to test against system versions on ubuntu, so it's workarund time for a month or so [15:07] ok, how annoying [15:08] mandel: yep [15:09] mmcc, how is everything going? at some point I'd like to have a mumble chat with you and gatox to see how we move with the mac work [15:09] maybe tom after the team meeting [15:09] mandel, +1 [15:09] mandel: mmcc needs a copy of your "how to do a port" email [15:10] mandel: sounds good. I'm reading source and build scripts, but a higher level picture would be good too [15:10] mandel, i want to see that email too :P [15:10] i'm afraid to see that email [15:10] maybe make that email a googledoc? [15:10] ralsina, mmcc, gatox, I should have that brain dump somewhere .. [15:11] dobey, amazing number of spelling errors.. and funny ones too :P [15:11] oops: me [15:12] DONE: started on #987414 finished inmemory and sqlite backend implementations TODO: #987414 C implementation BLOCKED: no [15:12] briancurtin, ralsina: ok, heard back from a user who tried brian's installer - got logs and...IT WORKED...huh? [15:13] joshuahoover, hurray?! [15:13] hehe [15:13] bah [15:13] mandel: exactly [15:14] joshuahoover, the deal is the following, lets imaging the following, I suppose that there is a load balancer for our servers, user hits one with a 'funny' ssl cert, if the load balancer is set to always use the same server for a length of time, he keeps getting the error [15:15] mandel: i could buy that [15:15] joshuahoover, blames de new code (my mom in this case) next day/later tries again, load balancer points to a diff one, works! [15:15] mandel: we do sticky sessions? [15:15] s/de/the [15:16] joshuahoover, no idea, could be, we should ask to the people at the back [15:17] mandel: i'm asking [15:18] joshuahoover, great, anyway, we should have those logs from now on, next time in happens we see what cert is in use [15:18] joshuahoover: I am between \o/ and WTF [15:18] ralsina, briancurtin, mandel: i attached the debug log to bug #985816 ...note that the user said he was never prompted to authenticate...i had the user uninstall u1, reboot, and then install the debug version [15:18] Error: Launchpad bug 985816 could not be found [15:18] ralsina: yeah, i hear ya...i was scratching my head reading the reply [15:18] joshuahoover: he probably run into the SSL problem with filesync, not SSO [15:19] ralsina, \WTF/ [15:19] joshuahoover: and yes, it *may* be we have a single old cert floating [15:19] or even better \(WTF)/ [15:19] mandel: we need a bigger emoticon! [15:20] briancurtin: I say we re-release with the new logging, making is_root return False, and whatever packagng fixes we can do today [15:20] joshuahoover: ^ [15:20] ralsina, well, this is all we have.. remember the numb3rs episode, we should be using l33t or whatever [15:20] there is a bigger emoticon in wtf-8 [15:21] ralsina: i'm hurrying with the packaging fixes, but i don't know that i'll have anything figured out in the next 2 hours before i leave. the installer does not want to cooperate with anything [15:21] thisfred: oh, wtf-8, the home of U+1F4A9 [15:21] briancurtin: ok, then with what we can do tomorrow [15:21] and we start signing early friday/late thursday [15:21] and aim for a monday release [15:21] sounds good [15:22] ralsina: as well as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Beyond_Zebra! [15:22] * gatox lunch! [15:22] thisfred: I was hoping that was a sequel to http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Station_Zebra [15:23] you can read it as such :) [15:23] as usual, the sequels are more childish [15:23] ok, need to get lunch. bbiab === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch === ralsina is now known as ralsina_lunch [15:38] * mmcc just found out about Apple's WWDC, and tickets are already sold out [15:48] mandel, gatox : is there a todo list or set of bugs or something for the mac port? I'm wondering what state it's in overall right now. [15:49] looks like most of the work has been on the sso-client, right? [15:49] mmcc, yes [15:50] mmcc, we didn't start working in the other projects yet [15:50] gatox_lunch: oh, sorry I missed your lunch notice… am I interrupting [15:50] mmcc, what about I walk the dog and I give you a crazy intro? [15:50] mmcc, no problem [15:51] mandel: sounds good [15:51] mmcc, he does not eat, he is a cylon trying to pass the turing test [15:51] mandel: it was working [15:51] mmcc, let me walk the beast 20 min or so and we chat about it :) [15:51] mandel: ok [16:14] it's lunchtime for me. === alecu is now known as alecu_lunch === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:32] * mandel back [16:32] mmcc, ping! [16:32] mandel: hi [16:33] mandel: am I supposed to say pong? I'm New Here (tm) [16:33] mmcc, yes hehe [16:33] mmcc, mumble? [16:34] mandel: in ~2 minutes? [16:35] mmcc, sure === elopio_ is now known as elopio [16:37] mandel: ok, so I got the iOS mumble app because I don't have a microphone/headset for my desktop yet. hopefully it works [16:37] mmcc, fingers crossed :) [16:37] mmcc, I'm at the desktopplus channel in the manu-ah-manou [16:38] * mandel wonders why Portuguese [16:38] okay, I'm getting a password error, let's see how long it'll take me to tap in this password [16:40] ugh, no luck [16:42] mmcc, we can always use skype :) [16:42] * dobey wonders if mmcc is using the wrong auth method [16:44] mandel: ok, I'm signing in to skype now. Also on my iphone. This actually works though [16:45] mandel: how can I find you on skype? [16:46] dobey: can you expand on that? there's just a username/pwd field in this app [16:47] ralsina_lunch: should we fix the #! in stable-3-0? [16:47] mmcc: are you using your lp id/pass? [16:49] also, 105ms ping. ow. [16:59]