| === scottl-work is now known as scott-work | ||
| === astraljava changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | Release Candidates been moved to Final! YAY! | ||
| len-dt | scott-work, astraljava This move to final appears not to need retest. Is that correct? | 13:24 |
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| astraljava | len-dt: Yes, that's my understanding too. | 13:33 |
| len-dt | astraljava, and then release (when it comes) will be what we base 12.10 on I would guess. | 13:52 |
| scott-work | just this morning i signed the release manifest to change the status as "approved for release" | 13:52 |
| * len-dt is new to this stuff as this is his first cycle... | 13:52 | |
| len-dt | As some people have talked about AWN as a panel for US, I downloaded it to look at. It pulls in gnome3 fallback and unity... some 118 packages. | 13:55 |
| len-dt | It looks pretty, but in the end it is just another panel and I think I could get the same functionality out of the xfce panel. | 13:56 |
| len-dt | scott-work, astraljava I think if we are going to do workflows with changing menus similar to what I had mocked up, it would be best to work on them as an xfce panel applet. | 13:58 |
| scott-work | len-dt: that is the reason that we haven't really made more progress with AWN (re: dependecies) | 14:02 |
| len-dt | scott-work, I think we could make xfce panel look the same minus the fancy graphics. | 14:03 |
| len-dt | I don't see a vast difference in the underlying function. | 14:04 |
| * len-dt is off to work, will read back log on return. | 14:04 | |
| scott-work | len-dt: re: work flows - if we create any new applications we need to especially cognizant of the time it will take to get into the repositories (which could be months) | 14:06 |
| len-dt | scott-work, if there is nothing out there now, we have no choice. What I have done is all script... no source. That could be dropped into our "look" package. | 14:10 |
| scott-work | len-dt: it could possibly, but the package approval process is in place for a variety of reasons, including vetting new code for security (along with other items) and shouldn't be abused unecessarily | 14:12 |
| scott-work | we should think through this before making any decisions | 14:13 |
| astraljava | len-dt: There'll usually be huge changes when the archives open again, but probably not this time as Debian is frozen for a new release as well. | 17:40 |
| astraljava | Not really sure about how's it going to be this time. | 17:40 |
| astraljava | Right, new amd64 images. | 17:49 |
| astraljava | ;./ | 17:49 |
| astraljava | bug #899001 is haunting us, so please check if you can help with that. I'll be testing it within the few next hours, but I could use some backup if possible. | 17:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 899001 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) "gst-install wants to install i386-version of codec packages on amd64" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/899001 | 17:59 |
| astraljava | Err... sorry, the image isn't yet available. I'll shout out again when it is. | 18:02 |
| astraljava | Ok, go fetch! | 18:35 |
| knome | what? i didn't hear. shout louder | 18:41 |
| len-dt | astraljava, I can't help with the amd64 stuff... | 20:21 |
| len-dt | astraljava, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/216/builds still shows the test results from before the respin for adm64 ISOs | 20:23 |
| len-dt | astraljava, scott-work and whoever else can test the amd64 ISO, the page to post results is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/214/builds | 20:31 |
| acmeinc | I'm confused regarding the Testcases page. Is it asking us if *only* the install passed with no bugs, or if install AND testing passed with no bugs. | 20:42 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, Which page? (url) I think the two tests are live works and install works. | 20:48 |
| acmeinc | len, yes that's the one...so I'm assuming I would say "Passed with no bugs" if my install worked from both the Live and Install mode, even though I'm seeing bugs post installation? | 20:49 |
| acmeinc | in short, is this page only asking to be sure the installation from both modes is working properly? | 20:50 |
| scott-work | len-dt: i can test the 64bit this evening | 20:50 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, There are some known bugs that will not be fixed before release. | 20:50 |
| len-dt | scott-work, Ok . | 20:50 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, we would only be looking for bugs that make things unusable at this point. | 20:51 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, so after install, it should reboot and the installer should be able to login and run something (irc or browser for example.) | 20:54 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, Installer means the person who installed, not the installer software.. | 20:56 |
| * len-dt is not a great communicator. | 20:56 | |
| acmeinc | len, ok, thx for the clarifation, install works just fine, and sample apps as well. | 21:10 |
| acmeinc | i'll mark it | 21:10 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, Good. | 21:11 |
| len-dt | I think thats our release then. | 21:12 |
| acmeinc | would you rather me post general 12.04 questions to the non-devel area? | 21:13 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, I don't know really, if it is about how to then yes, if it looks like something that could use changing here is good. | 21:15 |
| acmeinc | well it seems bluetooth has gone away since 11.04-studio, which is a concern of mine | 21:15 |
| acmeinc | unless its just done differently...in that case, i'd post to the general | 21:16 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, I think that would be a bug. I think that was mentioned before... none of us has the hardware to check that I know. | 21:16 |
| len-dt | Oh that was you all ready :) | 21:17 |
| acmeinc | len, i have a bluetooth dongle i used successfully in pairing on 11.04. on 12.04 the applet is gone..i tried bluemon and installing th e applet manually, but neither find the "adapter". | 21:18 |
| acmeinc | Would you like me to file a bug, or note an existing bug, or try-out something for you? | 21:19 |
| len-dt | It needs a bug report. Is there an existing bug? | 21:19 |
| acmeinc | i wouldn't know :) | 21:19 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, if there was an applet before it should still be there. If we are missing it. That is a bug. | 21:21 |
| len-dt | acmeinc, I don't see a BT applet listed in the available panel applets. I don't know if that is because my hardware doesn't support BT though. | 21:25 |
| * len-dt is gone to pick kids up at school. | 21:26 | |
| acmeinc | report filed under Ubuntu Studio Project, I hope that was right. | 21:38 |
| scott-work | was typing something on another channel and thought i should share here, hopefully the paste works well: | 21:45 |
| scott-work | [16:39] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we scripted opening qjackctl, starting jack with certain settings, open ardour + hydrogen + whatever else, and make all the connections? [16:39] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we applied that same idea to work flows for creating graphics? or editing video? [16:40] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we made this use a gui and had rectangles for each "process" for a work flow | 21:45 |
| scott-work | crap, no | 21:45 |
| scott-work | [16:39] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we scripted opening qjackctl, starting jack with certain settings, open ardour + hydrogen + whatever else, and make all the connections? | 21:46 |
| scott-work | [16:39] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we applied that same idea to work flows for creating graphics? or editing video? | 21:46 |
| scott-work | [16:40] <scott-work> _guitarman_: what if we made this use a gui and had rectangles for each "process" for a work flows with choices and a default chosen? | 21:46 |
| scott-work | [16:40] <scott-work> for example, let's consider editing video: | 21:46 |
| scott-work | [16:40] <scott-work> user starts the app | 21:46 |
| scott-work | [16:41] <scott-work> see's that there are choices for editing audio, editing video, creating a title screen, and publishing to web | 21:46 |
| scott-work | [16:41] <scott-work> so each process (e.g. editing audio vs editing video) is in a rectangle and the various choices are under it | 21:46 |
| scott-work | [16:42] <scott-work> the user clearly now understands not only what work flow we intended, which applications are available, but also which apps we suggest as "preferred" | 21:47 |
| scott-work | [16:42] <scott-work> what if we could generate a script for the user once they have their preferred work flow or tool chain (chosen applications) | 21:47 |
| scott-work | [16:43] <scott-work> that is just a sample of what i mean by "user improvements" or "usage improvements" = making it easier for users | 21:47 |
| scott-work | [16:44] <scott-work> also we are considering a "record mode" for audio, maybe it turns off network manager, pulse audio, blue tooth, ubuntu one if they are running | 21:47 |
| scott-work | [16:44] <scott-work> maybe it also changes or adds a dock on the side of the screen that shows only applications for audio, maybe even have then sequences to mimic the work flow | 21:47 |
| scott-work | [16:45] <scott-work> this idea could also be applied for video or graphics or photography or ebook | 21:47 |
| scott-work | also, we could even consider that different workspaces can be named, have their own backdrops, and maybe even have their own docks (i'm guessing on this one) | 21:49 |
| scott-work | maybe have an "video" workspace that has applications in the dock for video work | 21:49 |
| len-dt | ScottL, I don't like the workspace idea for at least two reasons :) | 21:59 |
| len-dt | ScottL, 1) I normally use more than one WS for just audio (or just other workflows for that matter) | 22:00 |
| len-dt | ScottL, 2) having workspaces with different BGs an panels increases the system load all the time.(memory at least) | 22:02 |
| len-dt | ScottL, 3) (I said two right? :) it would encourage people to leave unrelated apps running in an unseen WS which would also use extra resources | 22:03 |
| len-dt | ScottL, KDE (apparently) already offers such a setup, so installing kubuntu and playing with it might give you an idea how it would work out. | 22:05 |
| len-dt | ScottL, KDE was not chosen for US because it is a resource hog. | 22:06 |
| acmeinc | seems like a lot of work to benefit a select few. i have a script which opens my audio recording suite in succession, but really, how many people will do the same? my 2c | 22:17 |
| ScottL | len-dt, dont' sweat about it yet ;) | 22:48 |
| ScottL | these are just ideas, nothing concrete and i wanted to bring these and others up to the group and try to find a good direction forward | 22:48 |
| len-dt | ScottL, no sweat, just my two cents. | 22:48 |
| ScottL | i imagine as we talk through these issues (like you mentioned) we will find our path | 22:48 |
| len-dt | ScottL, the more ideas we have the more ideas that are left over once we shoot down the unusable ones... | 22:50 |
| ScottL | len-dt, acmeinc, i saw you talking about the latest image, how did the testing go? any concerns for release (not small ones)? is there a reason not to tell #ubuntu-release that it is ready for release? | 22:54 |
| len-dt | ScottL, I have no concerns... | 22:54 |
| * len-dt must have missed _something_ | 22:55 | |
| len-dt | ScottL, That is with 32bit. | 22:55 |
| acmeinc | i can finish testing 64 (latest) tonight at midnight...im at work now | 22:58 |
| len-dt | -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- ISO Tracker: Ubuntu Studio DVD amd64 [Precise Pre-release] has been removed | 22:58 |
| len-dt | -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- ISO Tracker: Ubuntu Studio DVD amd64 [Precise Final] has been updated (20120425) | 22:58 |
| ScottL | acmeinc, testing is done my friend :) | 22:59 |
| ScottL | i have to finish release notes tonight as well and then start emailing people/places/lists | 22:59 |
| * len-dt is busy trying to figure out backup order for all the computers around here. | 23:00 | |
| acmeinc | well then... | 23:01 |
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