[00:31] <ScottL> knome, it looks like there is a single test left:  alternative 64bit full install
[00:31] <ScottL> knome, are you running that now or is someone else?
[00:32] <ScottL> oh, nevermind, i understand what you typed now
[00:32] <ScottL> eh, i'm still going to install because i want to play with xubuntu 12.04 anyways :P
[00:38] <knome> heh
[00:38] <knome> feel free to
[00:38] <pleia2> ScottL: you doing the 64-alt?
[00:38] <pleia2> I'm burning now
[00:38] <knome> pleia2, err, they are DONE
[00:38] <pleia2> ah!
[00:39]  * knome did 6 tests today
[00:39] <pleia2> they weren't done when I started downloading :)
[00:39] <knome> heh
[00:39] <pleia2> one wubi desktop still need to be done?
[00:39] <ScottL> pleia2, not yet, still downloading (after i got my daughter to stop watching netflix)
[00:39] <knome> two wubi's
[00:39] <pleia2> an, 386 too
[00:39] <pleia2> ah
[00:40] <ScottL> knome, i'm very curious to see how the clock plugin behaves and see if ubuntu studio should do the same
[00:41] <knome> ScottL, :)
[00:41] <pleia2> alright, I think I'll do iso testing tomorrow instead
[00:41] <pleia2> because I have 100 million things to do otherwise
[00:41] <knome> yup, sounds sensible
[00:42] <knome> awwh
[00:43] <knome> the one time i download something like i shouldn't, somebody has *completely* messed the thing up
[00:43] <knome> wrong accent on band name, all songs misnamed, and the vinyl rip pops more than my say what.
[00:59] <knome> ok, i'm off to sleep
[00:59] <knome> see you tomorrow
[01:00] <Unit193> 'Night.
[02:28] <malaverdiere> Hello *
[02:28] <malaverdiere> I have experienced two total freezes on my xubuntu system
[02:29] <malaverdiere> I'm on 12.04
[02:30] <malaverdiere> I am not sure how to identify the source of the bug
[02:30] <malaverdiere> but I would like to contribute the data for bugfix
[02:30] <malaverdiere> BTW, I am getting a 500 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/PrecisePangolin
[04:36] <astraljava> Aww... you guys! :)
[04:36]  * astraljava can feel the love
[04:41] <astraljava> Oh, oops!
[04:46] <Unit193> You joined a channel.
[04:56] <astraljava> Yeah, somehow I thought I had already.
[04:56] <astraljava> Oh well, at least it happened still during the p cycle. :D
[09:44] <knome> pleia2, in addition to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu, the article in xubuntu.org should receive the *same* love, or at least before we publish we want it to be in line with the page on wiki
[09:45] <knome> pleia2, at least the shortcuts are shown in a different way yeah, but we should see if the texts match
[09:45] <knome> + how has the mailing list gone so unpleasant?
[09:46] <knome> i mean, people all telling "YOU BROKE IT IDIOT" if they say they are using compiz/insert-pkg-name-here
[10:01] <skaet> knome,   your image testing is looking pretty much done, and in reasonable shape for Xubuntu,   can you sign off on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest that they've been tested now.  :)
[10:01] <skaet> we'll then copy them to final as prep for tomorrow.
[10:02] <skaet> (unless there's something that's not on the tester..... )
[10:02]  * skaet crosses fingers 
[10:04] <knome> skaet, done, thanks for the heads up :)
[10:04] <skaet> thanks knome.  :)
[10:05]  * knome did only 6 tests yesterday O:)
[10:06] <knome> skaet, btw, what is there we can do with the status of xubuntu wubi?
[10:07] <knome> skaet, i don't think that's been tested too much lately
[10:08] <skaet> knome,  best talk to ev in release channel on what's possible.   
[10:09] <knome> okay, thanks, i will get to that in the Q cycle
[10:09]  * knome thinks that even the alternate images are a bit too much while there *are* reasons to keep them too
[10:09] <skaet> knome,  I think a session to review the manditory test cases for Xubuntu at UDS is probably appropriate as well in general.
[10:09] <knome> skaet, i'm not attending UDS in person, but i agree
[10:09] <knome> skaet, we definitely need to go through the testcases too
[10:10] <knome> skaet, they are referring to login sounds, but we *never* had a login sound...
[10:18]  * skaet nods
[10:18] <skaet> knome,  able to attend some of the sessions remotely if we schedule them in US morning?
[10:22] <knome> skaet, probably
[10:23] <knome> but then again, most probably not video/phoneconf
[10:23] <knome> skaet, we could just sit down with astraljava IRL someday and think what to do. :)
[10:23] <knome> bbl
[10:33] <skaet> knome,  yup.   we can do that.   Be good to have some of the other QA folks in the discussion though too.  :) 
[10:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> i just upgrade my 11.10 Xubuntun
[10:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> tu 
[10:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> to 12.04
[10:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> try to get xfce 4.10 with the ppa
[10:36] <Schrodinger`Cat> after i disable the ppa for to go to 12.04 normal Xubuntu
[10:36] <Schrodinger`Cat> but my keyboard shortcut dont works :/
[10:37] <Schrodinger`Cat> what can i do ?
[10:38] <ochosi> Schrodinger`Cat: have you tried to re-set any of your shortcuts by hand?
[10:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> yes
[10:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> its not like before
[10:40] <ochosi> have you downgraded all xfce packages?
[10:40] <ochosi> (and rebooted)
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> i do sudo ppa-purge ppa:mrpouit/ppa
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> and sudo apt-get update
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> and sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> and sudo apt-get upgrade --fi-missing --> (nothing to do)
[10:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> fix-missing
[10:44] <Schrodinger`Cat> and i have reboot
[10:49] <ochosi> haven't used ppa-purge before tbh
[10:49] <ochosi> but i'd manually check the packages via synaptic
[11:05] <mr_pouit> (downgrading between xfce releases is really never a good idea...)
[12:01] <astraljava> skaet: I _am_ the QA contact person, so that'd be awesome.
[12:01] <skaet> astraljava,  will you be at UDS?
[12:01] <skaet> or should we set something up at another time?
[12:03] <astraljava> skaet: No I won't, I just started at a new job so knew in advance that I wouldn't have spare time for that.
[12:03] <astraljava> But my working hours are so that most often I will get out of work when your morning is just starting.
[12:04] <astraljava> skaet: Don't recall the UDS schedule, when were you planning to have that session?
[12:04] <skaet> astraljava,  hasn't been scheduled yet,  so some flexibility still.  ;)   will coord with you on it next week.
[12:07] <astraljava> skaet: Sounds good. Next week I'll be really busy, so probably best to use email for that.
[12:07] <skaet> astraljava, coolio.  can do.
[12:07]  * skaet hopes to be less busy next week.   ;)
[12:19] <astraljava> Don't we all... :)
[12:20] <astraljava> Release week is the worst. :D
[12:20] <astraljava> But this is the first time when I've had a tough schedule outside of Ubuntu work, so it's been extra tough for me.
[12:23] <astraljava> Why do I see #xubuntu-unregged in the channel information on #xubuntu?
[12:30] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: please review the unity-article on xubuntu.org, it would be nice if you could approve/publish it today, so that it doesn't go out on the same day as the release post
[12:31] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: feel free to alter whatever is not understandable/clear or add stuff if you think something is missing
[12:33] <malaverdiere> Good morning *
[12:34] <malaverdiere> I showed up yesterday about a total freeze, but I think everyone was away
[12:34] <malaverdiere> I wanted to know how I can get data to help with a bug report
[12:35] <astraljava> malaverdiere: I'm not sure exactly, but I'd say you should attach the main logs into the bug report; Xorg.0.log, syslog and kern.log from /var/log
[12:36] <malaverdiere> I'll get those. Any other? I remember looking at dmesg and finding nothing special in there
[12:36] <astraljava> It's hard to pin-point without knowing any details, but then someone else might have a known suspect or something.
[12:37] <astraljava> I'm not on a linux-machine, so can't take a look at the directory for any additional log file. But it's alright to file the bug first, the person who triages the bug will know what to ask for.
[13:07] <skaet> knome, astraljava - will your announce for 12.04 be placed at http://xubuntu.org/news/12.04-release tomorrow?  (same pattern as yesterday)
[13:07] <skaet> lol
[13:07] <skaet> s/yesterday/last release/
[15:55] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[15:57] <Schrodinger`Cat> now its better to download Xubuntu 12.04 beta2 or the daily build ?
[16:01] <holstein> Schrodinger`Cat: you can assume the beta will "work".. assuming hte daily is working, you can argue which is "best"
[16:01] <holstein> i would personally get the daily
[16:03] <pleia2> ochosi: s/derivatives/flavors
[16:05] <pleia2> ochosi: I think you want to mention somewhere that Greybird is a shimmer project
[16:06] <Schrodinger`Cat> holstein: thanks
[16:07] <pleia2> ochosi: other than that, looks good, I was worried it would feel off-topic but I really like how you tied it into the flavors not competing, well done :)
[16:10] <GridCube> Schrodinger`Cat, daily
[16:11] <holstein> unless the daily is not working for some reason
[16:11] <holstein> i would get the daily with the expectation of getting one of the others if theres a problem
[16:16] <Schrodinger`Cat> ok
[16:17] <Schrodinger`Cat> if i see problems i will try to give to you for help another users :)
[16:17] <Schrodinger`Cat> i love this linux distribution :)
[16:21] <GridCube> daily works here purrfectly
[16:24] <holstein> yeah, its one of those things thats hardly ever a problem.. until it is... if you've got bandwidth restrictions or time contraints
[16:33] <pleia2> we'll be in trouble if it's a problem today :)
[16:33] <pleia2> they're actually still doing some rebuilds of the 25 images
[16:34] <holstein> hehe... theres still time for problems :)
[16:34] <pleia2> s/25 images/April 25th images
[16:34] <holstein> better today than tomorrow
[16:34] <pleia2> indeed!
[17:02] <pleia2> skaet: sorry, didn't see your note, yes
[17:02] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release
[17:02] <skaet> Thanks pleia2!  :)  
[17:02] <pleia2> knome: I can review release notes and the post, but I don't know enough to help write anything else
[17:13] <ochosi> pleia2: thanks! and thanks for reading
[17:14] <ochosi> pleia2: well i dunno, it's not that important to me to stress the shimmer part, after all i'm part of the xubuntu team now, which i wasn't "back then"
[17:14] <pleia2> ochosi: ok
[17:15] <pleia2> skaet: oops, just realized your link has a . and mine has a - (we can't have . in wordpress, so it converts to -)
[17:15] <pleia2> ochosi: also some linebreak issues between a couple of the paragraphs (they get squished together)
[17:16] <pleia2> looks like just betwen the first and second paragraphs under "Try for yourself!"
[17:16] <pleia2> ochosi: any way you can put a space between each of the screenshots so it's easier to tell there are 4 of them? (no big deal if not)
[17:17]  * pleia2 done for real now
[17:45] <astraljava> Oh gosh, new amd64 images again. Yay.
[17:53] <skaet> astraljava,   they're needed to fix a multiarch issue,  when a 32 bit lib is being loaded when it shouldn't
[17:54] <skaet> this showed up in music player,  which could be embarrassing.
[17:54] <astraljava> skaet: Thanks. :) Of course it's better to be caught now before the release. :)
[17:54] <skaet> For testing,  all that's going to be needed is check that the scenarios from the bug work now,  and then spot test a few of the other tests for sanity.
[17:55] <skaet> The existing images, and results are our backup if anything is wrong.
[17:55] <skaet> we're just trying to get it a little bit better, and the bug might show up more than we'd like.
[17:55]  * skaet plans on turning on her music player.... ;) 
[17:55] <astraljava> skaet: A-ha, ok so what would you suggest we should test now? Or should we wait a little until we hear more info?
[17:56] <skaet> astraljava,  do some basic testing now.
[17:56] <ochosi> pleia2: ok, added some spaces
[17:56] <skaet> (if the images have landed)
[17:56] <ochosi> pleia2: with respect to the paragraphs, feel free to add linebreaks
[17:56] <pleia2> k, I'll do that now
[17:56] <ochosi> pleia2: g2g now, you can also publish it if you think it's done :)
[17:56] <pleia2> if you're out of it
[17:56] <pleia2> yes yes, I shall publish now
[17:57] <ochosi> ok, thanks a lot!
[17:57] <pleia2> thanks!
[17:57] <ochosi> bbl
[17:57] <astraljava> skaet: Yeah it started downloading.
[17:57] <skaet> astraljava,  The bugs that triggered this respin are:  bug 987383,  bug 899001
[17:57] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-artwork-update-unity-support/ \o/
[17:58]  * pleia2 shares on the twitter
[17:58] <skaet> That's the scenario to check is working now.
[17:58] <astraljava> skaet: Ok thanks, I'll get on it.
[17:58] <skaet> great!  Thanks.
[17:58] <skaet> shout out in #ubuntu-release channel if surprises show up.
[17:58] <knome> skaet, yeah, will release on that url if needed :)
[17:58] <astraljava> I will.
[17:59] <skaet> thanks knome
[17:59] <knome> actually
[18:00] <knome> it seems wordpress doesn't want us to use a dot
[18:00] <knome> so 12-04-release
[18:00] <knome> skaet, ^
[18:05] <pleia2> knome: my plan is to make some screenshots that are pretty much identical to ones we have now and upload them tonight
[18:05] <knome> pleia2, can you upload them to somewhere else or send me via email, i need to check if the plugin works now as expected
[18:05] <pleia2> knome: ok, will do
[18:05] <knome> (should, after update, but i don't want you to have to go through it)
[18:05] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:05] <knome> np
[18:06] <knome> skaet, can you confirm xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release is ok
[18:10] <skaet> knome,  yup that's fine from my perpective.   Just need to know where.
[18:10] <skaet> so the announce can reference it. :)
[18:10] <knome> skaet, yeah, that will be the url
[18:10] <skaet> coolio.  :)
[18:13] <knome> great
[18:23] <astraljava> sweet
[20:55] <pleia2> goodness the twitter natives are already restless about release timing
[21:59] <ochosi> knome: not sure you also read the blog-post about unity-support, but since pleia2 was kind enough to go over it i thought it's fine to publish it
[22:28] <ochosi> pleia2: i think we should show the name of the post-author somewhere
[22:28] <ochosi> pleia2: and maybe even add an option to display the function in the xubuntu team
[22:28] <pleia2> I think it's a theme thing
[22:28] <ochosi> yes, it should be easy to add that in wordpress
[22:29] <ochosi> knome: ^ ;)
[22:29] <ochosi> i mostly wanted to ask you about your opinion on that
[22:29] <pleia2> but yeah, post author would be nice
[22:29] <ochosi> i mean people can easily guess that i write most artwork articles
[22:29] <ochosi> but with other articles it's less clear
[22:29] <ochosi> and i think it's still important to see who's saying what
[22:30] <ochosi> otherwise we'd consequently have to s/I/we in all posts...
[23:19] <GridCube> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNYo6gMhTg
[23:24] <ochosi> strange, looks like he's using an older version, xfce4-mixer is still installed
[23:25] <GridCube> yes
[23:25] <GridCube> its weird
[23:26] <GridCube> the wallpaper is also wrong
[23:26] <GridCube> :/
[23:26] <ochosi> yes, well as i said, an older version
[23:26] <ochosi> that's the 11.10 wallpaper, it was in 12.04 until i don't know when
[23:27] <GridCube> dunno
[23:27] <ochosi> night everyone! (and happy release!)
[23:27] <GridCube> but its a nice review anyway, although he is missing the nice sound control and other stuff
[23:27] <GridCube> :)