[01:30] <martinphone> 1 day to official release
[01:30] <c_smith> or 2, depending on where you are.
[03:17] <c_smith> Is the #ubuntu+1 channel the current correct place to as Xubuntu 12.04 questions?
[03:42] <Unit193> c_smith: Yep, you got it!
[03:52] <c_smith> Unit193, thanks
[06:11] <pmo> hey i have a strange issue with xfce4-notifyd, it moved a bit down the screen and i cant get it back up on its spot
[06:11] <k_sze> There is fsck and then there is what? I forget.
[06:11] <k_sze> Some newer utility to check and repair file systems.
[06:12] <well_laid_lawn> there's e2fsck for fixt ext filesystems
[06:13] <well_laid_lawn> s/fixt/fixing/
[06:13] <k_sze> right, that's the one
[06:13] <k_sze> e2fsck is recommended over fsck, for file systems in the ext family, right?
[06:14] <well_laid_lawn> that's what it is built for afaik
[06:16] <k_sze> (I guess it's mainly because of the way arguments and options are handled by fsck - fsck is just a front-end for various *fsck.
[06:23] <k_sze> There is something I don't understand about command line options. For example, the man page of e2fsck says that -c can be specified twice so that a non-destructive read-write test is used to find bad blocks. How do I "specify -c twice"? Do I just go -cc or do I have to separate them like -c -c?
[06:46] <well_laid_lawn> k_sze: either way works
[06:46] <well_laid_lawn> I'd do -cc
[06:53] <Wizard> hi
[10:44] <torquese> hi , why is different settings for mouse in ubuntu and xubuntu ? ex. in ubuntu twofinger touch is right button   , and in xubuntu is not ?
[10:45] <Artemis3> i think those things have changed in 12.04
[10:46] <torquese> is it way to set elentech mouse settings from ubuntu to xubuntu ?
[10:46] <torquese> need help where to look !?
[10:47] <Artemis3> "xfce4-settings has been updated to include the new mouse and touchpad dialog"  <--- this is from release notes for 12.04
[10:47] <Artemis3> for Xubuntu
[10:47] <Artemis3> so you might want to wait a day to upgrade
[10:47] <Artemis3> and check that
[10:47] <torquese> ok i wait , thx !
[10:50] <torquese> im starting to like ubuntu :)!
[10:50] <Artemis3> you have 11.10?
[10:55] <torquese> 12.04beta
[10:55] <torquese> i used other distro
[10:56] <Artemis3> in that case, try updating now
[10:57] <Artemis3> run update-manager and refresh, etc
[10:57] <torquese> ok i will
[10:58] <Artemis3> since the images are done, the updates must be done as well
[10:58] <Artemis3> at least until tomorrow or something ;)
[11:54] <Wizard> omg, they fixed bug I reported
[11:54] <Wizard> unbelivable
[11:55] <Wizard> :]
[12:21] <astraljava> Wizard: I take it that you've not reported many thus far?
[12:22] <Sysi> xfce- or ubuntu-devs?
[12:23] <craigbass1976> is bugs.launchpad.net the right bugs site for xubuntu?  I'm curious as to whether or not mine's been looked at yet, and I can't remeber where I filed it
[12:25] <craigbass1976> found it...
[12:27] <Wizard> astraljava, no, I didn't
[12:27] <Wizard> and mostly "invalid"
[12:29] <marqy> hello Wizard.  Thank you for the help yesterday. Following your clues, I found that my X failure issue was due to vast log files > 4Gb kern.log and syslog meaning that the / partition was full.  I have moved these and put var onto its own partition while i keep an eye on things.  i have no idea yet how the logs got so big over only a few weeks and why they weren't tidied up
[12:29] <astraljava> Wizard: Ok. Well, that's always good to hear, isn't it? :)
[12:30] <Wizard> marqy, glad to hear it
[12:31] <Wizard> that what you said yesterday, when I left (df saying something different than du) may be caused by "out of inodes" situation
[12:31] <Wizard> this hapens rarely if there is alot of empty (or small) files)
[12:32] <Wizard> monitor /var and see which logs grow very fast, rest will be easy
[12:32] <Wizard> astraljava, yup :)
[12:34] <grifo74> hello my portable pc have a intel graphic card and my son like play supertuxkart but dont work any idea to enable 3d on intel grapfics i have the last drivers installed
[12:34] <marqy> it does surprise me that such logs get that big that quick. i also thought logrotate would keep better tabs on them
[12:37]  * Wizard knows nothing about GFX cards :(
[12:41] <astraljava> grifo74: Generally Intel cards don't have a very good 3D performance. Try to lower graphics details if possible.
[12:42] <grifo74> but the game dont start
[12:51] <astraljava> grifo74: Can you try starting it in a terminal, and then copy and paste the output on http://paste.ubuntu,com, and when you've submitted it there, tell us the link to it in here?
[13:03] <grifo74> i need to restart
[14:14] <Guest97734> alguém ai do Brasil?
[14:14] <grifo74> grifo74@grifo74-Aspire-1410:~$ supertuxkart
[14:14] <grifo74> Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.0-alpha
[14:14] <grifo74> Linux 3.0.0-17-generic-pae #30-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 8 17:53:35 UTC 2012 i686
[14:14] <grifo74> Could not load sprite bank because the file does not exist: #DefaultFont
[14:14] <grifo74> [FileManager] Data files will be fetched from: '/usr/share/games/supertuxkart/'
[14:14] <grifo74> [FileManager] Addons files will be stored in '/home/grifo74/.local/share/supertuxkart/addons'.
[14:14] <grifo74> [translate] Env var LANGUAGE = 'pt:pt_BR:en'
[14:14] <grifo74> [translate] Env var LANGUAGE = 'pt:pt_BR:en', which corresponds to 'Portuguese'
[14:14] <grifo74> [IrrDriver] Trying OpenGL rendering.
[14:14] <grifo74> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[14:15] <grifo74>   Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)
[14:15] <grifo74>   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
[14:15] <grifo74>   Serial number of failed request:  13
[14:15] <grifo74>   Current serial number in output stream:  13
[14:15] <grifo74> grifo74@grifo74-Aspire-1410:~$
[14:15] <grifo74> hi astralijava this is the error
[14:16] <grifo74> i try reentall the supertux but nothing
[14:18] <Guest97734> alguém ai tecla em português?
[14:19] <grifo74> eu se puder ajudar diz
[14:20] <Guest97734> como sabemos amanhã chega a 12.04 ok!
[14:21] <Guest97734> tenho muitas coisas para fazer backup. coisa chata!
[14:21] <Guest97734> veja esta dica aqui >>>
[14:21] <Guest97734> http://www.ubuntudicas.com.br/blog/2012/04/upgrade-do-11-10-pro-12-04-sem-perder-os-documentos-pessoais/
[14:21] <bazhang> !br
[14:23] <nishttal2> does xubuntu support compiz?
[14:33] <GridCube> nishttal2, support as giving support, not really, you are capable of using it tho
[14:34] <nishttal2> ok cool.. i wanted to ask before i wipe out my system and install xubuntu.. i love my desktop cube and wobbly windows :)
[14:34] <GridCube> nishttal2, faq 9 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/
[16:12] <aboudreault> hey, 12.04 is planned for tomorrow?
[16:13] <Pici> aboudreault: Yes
[16:13] <Pici> !outyet
[16:21] <xubuntu647> hi+
[16:22] <xubuntu647> some one can link some good xubuntu command guide, thanks very much
[16:25] <GridCube> xubuntu647, theres no difference on the terminal commands for any ubuntu, or pretty much most linuxes out there
[16:25] <GridCube> so anyone should help yoi
[16:25] <GridCube> !terminal
[16:26] <xubuntu647> thanks mate
[17:11] <munchor> Will Xubuntu have the new xfce 4.10 to be released in two days?
[17:12] <baizon> no
[17:12] <baizon> code freeze already done
[17:12] <munchor> thank you
[17:12] <baizon> but there will be a ppa with xfce 4.10 for precise
[17:12] <munchor> that's what I thought
[17:12] <munchor> 12.10 I guess then
[17:12] <baizon> yes
[17:12] <GridCube> thats the plan
[17:16] <ThePendulum> I wish I figured how to edit the menu colour of my theme :(
[17:20]  * drc leaves for a couple of weeks, comes back for a visit and ThePendulum is <still> trying to mess with theme menu :(
[17:20] <ThePendulum> drc: Me sorry :|
[17:20] <drc> Must be a helluva complicated theme :)
[17:21] <GridCube> ThePendulum, you should talk to ochosi
[17:21] <aboudreault> uh? /install/vmlinuz: file not found ?
[17:21] <ThePendulum> GridCube: Does he ever show up?
[17:21] <GridCube> almost every day
[17:22] <ThePendulum> I've never seen him
[17:22] <GridCube> ThePendulum, he is not in "this" channel
[17:22] <aboudreault> what do I get this error when trying to Install
[17:23] <GridCube> but he is around
[17:23] <aboudreault> hmm,, strange, rebooted and it works now
[17:25] <esph> I've got a box that appears unresponsive upon boot, but I can ssh into it successfully. What should I do/check first?
[17:25] <ThePendulum> esph: What indicates the lack of response?
[17:26] <esph> Well, blank screen, and capslock light not lighting up
[17:26] <esph> (though I could be just noticing that last part now)
[17:27] <GridCube> esph, theres no hardware issues? like the monitor not working or something like that?
[17:28] <GridCube> esph, doesnt the network connector lights lightup¡
[17:28] <GridCube> ?
[17:28] <esph> GridCube: I did see a flash of the xubuntu loading screen last time I tried
[17:28] <esph> so I think the monitor still functions
[17:29] <esph> and yeah, the network connection light appears to be working
[17:29] <esph> so what should I check?
[17:29] <GridCube> esph, you can unplug the vga cable and it should pop a box in your monitor saying "unplugged cable" or something like that, if that happens your monitor its pretty much fine
[17:30] <esph> GridCube: It's a laptop
[17:30] <ThePendulum> rotfl
[17:30] <GridCube> oooo
[17:30] <GridCube> lol
[17:30] <GridCube> :P you never said that
[17:31] <GridCube> well, you see the problem with notebooks and stuff like that is that opening and closing can, sometimes, break the cables
[17:31] <GridCube> if your notebook has a vga output you can try plugging it to a monitor and see what happens
[17:31] <bepebe> esph, plug an external monitor in to the laptop and cycle the outputs of the laptop with FN+F key
[17:32] <bepebe> are you getting anything on the laptop when you start it up before the xubuntu splash screen? like a manufacture logo, or a post screen ?
[17:33] <esph> I'll try plugging it in to something else
[17:33] <esph> bepebe: I'm not sure if anything else came up or not
[17:34] <bepebe> the backlight may of gone if the lcd display connector has come loose like GridCube mentioned, put a flashlight on to the screen and see if you can see anything
[17:34] <esph> bepebe: backlight is still working
[17:34] <bepebe> try external monitor then and go from there
[17:49] <esph> I can't seem to get an external monitor working either
[17:49] <esph> xrandr outputs "RandR extension missing" but it might have done that before as well
[17:50] <esph> haven't used xrandr before on this box
[17:51] <GridCube> esph, do you get a boot bios?
[17:53] <esph> GridCube: 1 sec, I'll reboot it again
[18:08] <esph> GridCube: The initial HP splash screen comes up, and the xubuntu loading screen as well, but I didn't see the bios screen. I tried pressing f11 (I can't remember if thats the right button for bios on this machine) and that seemed to screw up the linux booting process, which now actually shows up stalled on the screen (the screen with all the [ OK ] messages)
[18:08] <esph> so the monitor still works for sure
[18:08] <GridCube> yes
[18:08] <JukeUK> hi all,  my bottom panel icons are left of the screen now.  Does anyone know how to get them centred again?
[18:09] <GridCube> esph, try to boot again, press esc or del or all the f's try to see the boot
[18:09] <esph> ok
[18:09] <GridCube> see if any errors pop up there
[18:10] <GridCube> JukeUK, dragit, it will "lock" when you move just to the middle, its a tiny movement that it does
[18:10] <JukeUK> k ty
[18:11] <JukeUK> GridCube,  It doesn't want to play.
[18:12] <GridCube> have you unlocked the panel?
[18:12] <esph> GridCube: stuff looks alright in bios land
[18:12] <Chr|s> When dual booting Win7 and Xubuntu (win7 installed first) I get no OS selection on boot, windows automatically boots. Only have 3 primarys on the drive. Not sure what I am doing wrong for this to continually to happen. When I install ubuntu, I don't have this problem.
[18:12] <JukeUK> yes and it has red hashed lines eitherside
[18:13] <GridCube> :/ ok esph, can you boot with a livecd and see if it boots?
[18:13] <GridCube> ooo, esph did you did an update lately?
[18:13] <GridCube> maybe you updated the kernel
[18:13] <esph> GridCube: well, like I said earlier, booting is not a problem; it boots, and I can ssh to it
[18:14] <GridCube> esph, doyou see a grub stage?
[18:14] <GridCube> if you do you can try to log in wiht an oldkernel
[18:14] <GridCube> JukeUK, a screenshot couldhelp
[18:14] <GridCube> !screenshot
[18:14] <bepebe> Chr|s, how did you install Xubuntu
[18:15] <GridCube> Chr|s, did you installed grub?
[18:15] <JukeUK> GridCube, will try my best.  new comer to xubuntu, linux and IRC.
[18:18] <GridCube> :D welcome then
[18:18] <esph> GridCube: I haven't been able to see the grub screen, but it hasn't been updated in a while, anyway.
[18:18] <JukeUK> ubottu, ty
[18:19] <Chr|s> bepebe, what do you mean how? I just explained it. I didn't do anything different
[18:19] <Chr|s> GridCube, xubuntu installs grub automatically when dualbooting, like ubuntu
[18:19] <Chr|s> well, its suppose too
[18:21] <bepebe> Chr|s, sorry, I meant from a LiveCD. What Partition Options did you use ? Install alongside Windows 7 or the Something Else Option ?
[18:21] <GridCube> Chr|s, i know, but you say it doesnt shows you a grub stage
[18:22] <Chr|s> bepebe, oh. Yeah I installed from a LiveCD and installed alongside Windows 7
[18:23] <JukeUK> Gridcube, screen shot- http://imagebin.org/209707
[18:23] <Chr|s> GridCube, yeah..weird. Not sure why
[18:24] <GridCube> oh
[18:24] <GridCube> JukeUK, :P thats because
[18:24] <GridCube> lemme screenshot it for you
[18:24] <JukeUK> k
[18:25] <bepebe> Chr|s, paste this in to a terminal and tell me what you get
[18:25] <bepebe> sudo grub-probe -t device /boot/grub
[18:25] <GridCube> Chr|s, 7 might have reclaimed mbr
[18:26] <GridCube> JukeUK, http://imagebin.org/209708
[18:26] <Chr|s> bepebe, im not on xubuntu, wont boot into it. Currently on windows
[18:26] <GridCube> uncheck that option for panel 2
[18:26] <Chr|s> may have to go this route https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A1st_option_:_get_a_CD_including_Boot-Repair
[18:26] <GridCube> the last one
[18:27] <bepebe> Chr|s, Go to Start >> Run >> type msconfig, hit enter >> Check BOOT.INI for any Xubuntu entries
[18:28] <Chr|s> bepebe, just lists Windows 7 as default boot under the boot tab
[18:29] <bepebe> then I'd go with the Boot Repair CD from that link, or re-install it from the LiveCD again
[18:29] <bepebe> What Xubuntu version you using ?
[18:30] <Chr|s> bepebe, the latest 11.10
[18:30] <Chr|s> wish I didn't have to use windows heh
[18:31] <Chr|s> but for certain games and programs I have too
[18:31] <JukeUK> GridCube, "Automatically increase the length" ?
[18:31] <bepebe> yeah, Wine just doesn't cut it for some games :)
[18:31] <Joelito> hi all, question is there a launchpad repository for the mozilla's mplayer plugin?
[18:31] <esph> GridCube: So no more ideas?
[18:31] <GridCube> JukeUK, yes that one, and reduce the length to 0
[18:32] <Chr|s> bepebe, you ain't kidding
[18:32] <GridCube> Chr|s, boot from a live cd and use boot-repair
[18:34] <Chr|s> GridCube, yeah thats what I am gonna do next wish me luck
[18:34] <JukeUK> GridCube , got it thanks for your help.
[18:34] <GridCube> good luck Chr|s :)
[18:34] <GridCube> JukeUK, :D great
[18:35] <GridCube> esph,
[18:36] <GridCube> while booting, press shift and see if that pops up grub
[18:36] <GridCube> try to load an old kernel
[18:36] <esph> Alright, I'll try it, but like I said, the box hasn't been updated in some time
[18:37] <GridCube> welp, it wouldnt hurt
[18:37] <GridCube> if you can get to a tty you can try to fix stuff manually
[18:37] <GridCube> :P
[18:38] <esph> GridCube: but I can already get to a tty? (ssh)
[18:38] <GridCube> o... tru dat
[18:38] <GridCube> XD
[18:38] <GridCube> but not in the machine itself?
[18:38] <esph> yeah
[18:39] <GridCube> i mean, pressing ctrl-alt-F1 doesnt leads you to a tty
[18:39] <esph> it just doesn't want to display there
[18:39] <GridCube> mmhm
[18:40] <esph> anyway, it looks like it's currently running 3.0.0-16, and the older options are 3.0.0-14 and -12
[18:41] <GridCube> try any and see if they work
[18:43] <esph> I just tried -14 (not the recovery option) and it appears to be the same story
[18:43] <GridCube> i see
[18:44] <GridCube> well i declare myself incompetent to help you more esph :(
[18:44] <GridCube> sorry
[18:44] <esph> Well, thanks for trying
[18:44] <GridCube> hopefully someone smarter can help
[18:45]  * esph waits hopefully...
[18:47]  * GridCube wishes esph good luck
[18:51] <dekkz> who gridcube
[18:53] <drc> With the imminent release just around the corner (is it out yet?:), are there any known issues one should be on the look out for?
[18:53] <baizon> not really
[18:54] <baizon> everything working fine for me
[18:55] <drc> nice to hear
[18:55] <Wizard> good evening
[18:57]  * drc notes the timing between 12.04 and 4.10...giving the team 6 months to whip it into shape :)
[18:58] <baizon> 4.10 isnt released yet
[18:58] <baizon> tested it already, no problems
[18:58] <baizon> only a few goodies not working
[18:58] <Wizard> 4.10?
[18:58] <baizon> but im using the indicator so no problems here
[18:58] <baizon> 4.10pre2
[18:58] <drc> baizon: I know...thus the comment :)
[18:58] <Wizard> ah
[18:59] <Wizard> when was indicator introduced?
[18:59] <Wizard> in 10.10?
[19:01] <baizon> i think it was 11.04
[19:01] <Wizard> I never remember which was which
[19:01] <Wizard> :)
[19:02] <baizon> sec, checking out
[19:03] <baizon> yes 10.10
[19:03] <Wizard> and lucid is 10.04, ok
[19:05] <Wizard> kasztan85, what a familiar nick :D
[19:09] <esph> So apparently a single bad option in your synaptics conf can screw over X entirely
[19:09] <esph> and force xubuntu to display nothing, not even ttys
[19:10] <esph> On that note, how do I disable tap-to-click?
[19:10] <Wizard> esph, you can use xinput for that
[19:11] <esph> ah, ok
[19:11] <Wizard> do you know how to do this?
[19:12] <esph> I guess that's what I get for trying the same things on different distros :P
[19:12] <Wizard> hey, it works for me an my "multitouch scroll"
[19:12] <Wizard> trick is easy: xinput list, find your touchpad
[19:13] <Wizard> my example: ↳ ADB mouse                               	id=10
[19:13] <Wizard> xinput list-props 10
[19:14] <Wizard> (of course put your id in place of 10)
[19:14] <Wizard> and than: xinput set-prop blabla proper values
[19:16] <esph> Wizard: would you know which options to change to disable tap-clicks?
[19:16] <Wizard> esph, I don't know, it differs
[19:16] <esph> bah
[19:17] <Wizard> but it is usually called touchpad click, or something like this
[19:18] <esph> I would think it's "Tap Action", but there are six numbers after that, delineated by commas, and I don't know what to do with that
[19:19] <Wizard> oops
[19:19] <Wizard> apt-cache search synaptics :>
[19:19] <Wizard> gives few interesting results
[19:23] <esph> Wizard: Thanks for the help
[19:23] <Wizard> did I help at all? :)
[19:24] <esph> I found a nice config editor with apt-cache search
[19:24] <Wizard> :D
[19:24] <esph> Since doing it manually in xubuntu apparently makes the sky fall down :P
[19:25] <esph> On that note, if I accidently install something twice with apt-get, what's the correct way to resolve that?
[19:27] <Wizard> you cannot install anything twice
[19:28] <Wizard> apt-get know whats already installed and will skip it
[19:29] <esph> oh, I see that now
[19:30] <esph> It just spit out a bunch of info similar to when I first installed it, so I just assumed it did it again
[19:30] <Wizard> also, apt-get knows what is not needed anymore
[19:32] <kasztan85> Wizard, why familiar?
[19:32] <kasztan85> from PL?
[19:33]  * Wizard nods
[20:00] <ThePendulum> I'm considering to leave Xfce... not sure :|
[20:05] <Wizard> to leave it as default desktop?
[20:08] <ThePendulum> Yes.
[20:08] <ThePendulum> I've heard Unity has improved, and I'm going to give it another chance
[20:09] <ThePendulum> It probably won't take long before I get back to Xfce
[20:13] <pmo> is xubuntu release at the same time as ubuntu?
[20:14] <pmo> wait is is out?
[20:14] <ThePendulum> Xubuntu is released tomorrow
[20:14] <ThePendulum> Ubuntu is in final beta
[20:14] <pmo> err wait troll pm
[20:14] <pmo> ThePendulum: ah on, the countdown just says 8h for ubuntu
[20:14] <pmo> ok*
[20:15] <ThePendulum> pmo: Oh, could be then
[20:15] <pmo> but xubuntu is still tomorrow? :)
[20:15] <ThePendulum> It says 1 day for both Xubuntu and Ubuntu, so I think they're released simultaneously :P
[20:15] <pmo> oh nice :)
[20:16] <ThePendulum> I'm going to try Ubuntu, probably only to return to Xubuntu a few hours after
[20:16] <Unit193> !outyet
[20:16] <ThePendulum> lolololol
[20:16] <pmo> i dont want to go there, not interested in ubuntu ;P
[20:17] <ThePendulum> !isthereanybodyoutthere
[20:28] <Chr|s> Looks like I am going to have to reinstall them both gain
[20:29] <Chr|s> again
[20:34] <martinphone> official release?
[20:35] <ThePendulum> I wish there was a way to back-up Xubuntu completely, and just reinstall everything (apps included) when I feel like it
[20:36] <pmo> martinphone: 8h afaik
[20:36] <ThePendulum> Too long, going to install Beta 2 now
[20:36] <ThePendulum> brb
[20:38] <martinphone> lol
[20:38] <martinphone> if I use beta2, will automatic updates appear in 8 hours?
[20:41] <Wizard> martinphone, sure
[20:41] <Wizard> it uses *same* repos
[20:42] <Wizard> so probably, if you updated in regular manner, you already have final
[21:18] <ThePendulum> A bit of a pity Pastie is down, I had my default fstab on there and I don't know how to replicate it
[22:23] <pmo> 7h :P
[22:24] <ochosi> you mean till release-time?
[22:24] <pmo> yea :P
[22:24] <pmo> i get to upgrade tomorrow morning before work
[22:24] <pmo> or in the morning since the time is past midnight hehe
[22:25] <pleia2> it's not released right at midnight in any given time zone, it's released before the end of the day UTC
[22:25] <pleia2> sometimes early in the day, sometimes late, depends on how the builds go
[22:25] <pmo> yea 7h from now :P
[22:25] <pmo> ofc they can be delayed
[22:26] <pleia2> it's not even release day in UTC, so I'm not sure where you are getting 7 hours from
[22:26] <pleia2> it'll be released some time in the next 25.5 hours
[22:36] <pmo> pleia2: a countdown
[22:40] <Artemis3> if you want to upgrade, upgrade now, else better wait a few days...
[22:42] <ochosi> yeah, good point
[22:42] <ochosi> the servers will be pretty busy
[22:45] <pmo> Artemis3: how upgrade now?
[22:45] <pmo> i just want it over with, but the stable release
[22:47] <Artemis3> use   alt f2   and type:  update-manager -d
[23:06] <pmo> Artemis3: youre saying its out?
[23:07] <pmo> shit youre right Artemis3
[23:08] <pmo> nvn says beta
[23:08] <pmo> nvm*
[23:09] <pmo> it tricked me :P
[23:13] <pmo> just shows how little i used to gui
[23:13] <pmo> im*