[00:58] proofreaders needed https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release [00:58] I can give access details to anyone who needs it [01:18] Riddell: Comma between "friendly fast" [01:19] done [01:20] Riddell: I don't think telepathy's on the DVD, I thought it went back to Universe? [01:21] right enough [01:21] Riddell: It needs the same "OMG, Kittens!" warning about backing up mail that we had for kmail for Oneiric since upgraders from Lucid will be doing the Akanadi transition. [01:22] Other than that, I think it's good. [01:23] ScottK: is there a bug for that? [01:23] probably loads :( [01:24] Yeah. Where to start. [01:24] ScottK: is there a 1 sentence way to say that? [01:24] "backup mail" isn't too helpful without saying how [01:25] Sure. [01:25] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2 [01:25] Needs some Oneiric/Precise, but it's pretty much there. [01:26] hum, a job for tomorrow I think [01:26] The release note about Kontact 4.7 in http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.10-release still applies pretty much verbatum. [01:26] gotcha [01:26] time for me to snooze tonight [01:26] 4.7/4.8 and some noises about improved reliabliity from 4.7, but it should still be scary. [01:26] OK. Have a good sleep. [01:26] Will this bug be fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/953559 before the release ? [01:26] Launchpad bug 953559 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "12.04 install failed to install bootloader using btrfs for root file system" [Medium,New] [01:26] nope [01:26] Riddell: really? [01:27] phoenix_firebrd: It's not the default FS and it doesn't fail in all cases. [01:27] Did you try it more than once? [01:27] (I've done successful btrfs installs this week) [01:28] ScottK: ya, but i tried btrfs before and like to try it now too. so i will try the workaround [01:31] You can also run a live session, manually partition the drive, and then install into the existing partition if the installer won't support it. [01:31] I doubt you'll have to do that though. [01:34] ScottK: ya thats the workaround. Have you tried any btrfs recovery tools [01:35] No. [01:35] I'm generally very conservative about file systems. [01:35] I only installed it on a test install that didn't live more than 5 minutes after it was done. [01:39] ScottK: can you give me any info about the state of wayland in 12.04 [01:39] We have version 0.85. [01:39] Beyond that, I don't know. === emma_ is now known as emma === emma is now known as em [06:56] nearly there [07:05] * Jacky waits. [07:08] :) [07:22] any day now infact [07:26] hehe [07:26] bah, I got to try to get this kmix crash to happen reliably :/ [07:27] jussi: does it always happen on track change in amarok? [07:28] Riddell: no, when using skype [07:28] Riddell: if youve a min, and have skye, you could call to help test... [07:28] I don't I'm afraid [07:28] ok [07:29] Ill see if i can get it to happen again and file a bug [07:36] jussi: bug 963895 surely [07:36] Launchpad bug 963895 in kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) "kmix is crashing after multiple volume changes" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/963895 [07:36] kde bug 290742 [07:36] Riddell: that does look like it [07:36] KDE bug 290742 in general "kmix is crashing after multiple volume changes" [Crash,Assigned: ] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290742 [07:37] I seem to remember kmix in 4.8.0 was fine so I'd like to look at reverting to that [07:37] its release day and we have a bug like this :/ [07:37] yeah, disappointing [07:37] let me try reproduce here [07:38] bug 966913 is nasty too [07:38] Launchpad bug 966913 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "Akonadi contact resource wrong defaults" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966913 [07:39] cant seem to get it to crash now :/ [07:40] heisenbug [07:40] there's probably a reason why it hasn't been fixed upstream, it's a nasty bug [07:40] nasty to pin down [07:48] proofreaders needed https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2 [07:50] shadeslayer: any amd64+mac testing possible? [07:51] is Kubuntu still not tracking upstream bugs in LP (Project Timelord)? [07:52] micahg: right, unless we are especially concerned about them [07:52] ok, thanks [07:52] Riddell: "migrated to the new system. This includes contacts from KAddressBook, events from" could read "migrated to the new system, including contacts from KAddressBook, events from " [07:53] start 2 consecutive sentences with "this" sounds a little funny to my ear [07:53] other than that, looks good [08:08] Riddell: in Introduction "for uses upgrading" => "for *users* upgrading" [08:08] includeing => including [08:08] perfomed => performed [08:09] edited [08:11] Riddell: in "After Migrating", Update folder and *its* subfolders [08:12] votre grammaire est très bonne [08:12] Riddell: merci mon cher :) [08:14] Riddell: I believe the "its" vs "it's" mistake may actually be easier to spot for people whose primary language is not english, because the two translates to very different words [08:14] at least in french [08:14] same with "you're" vs "your" [08:15] doesn't make any sense thought, possessive words should have an apostrophie [08:15] but not my mistake, that page is copied from our previous release [08:15] Riddell: in "Importing Email Manually", I would remove the "and" from "and browse to where you saved ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc": there is another "and" after the next comma === Jacky is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as Jacky [09:27] proofreaders needed for download page https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/content/qwer [09:29] Riddell, it asks for auth. [09:52] doods, nearly there! [10:05] * Riddell holds breath [10:15] mirrors syncing... [10:15] (which isn't a fast operation) [11:11] go go mirrors! [11:12] Riddell: happy to proofread if you need another [11:13] Hobbsee: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download could do with an eye over and checking all the links [11:13] then https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release (for which you'll need a password) [11:14] yep..which is? === jdrab is now known as cortex_sk [12:03] whee! http://www.kubuntu.org/ [12:03] although some site mirrors are marked as down tsk [12:06] Riddell: sorry for not being able to test software-properties-kde yesterday, fell asleep === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:06] yofel: I think it's in oneiric-updates no? [12:07] it is - and works [12:07] :) [12:07] well thanks a lot all [12:07] starbuck: used your artwork for the release :) [12:07] I need to relax a bit before my head explodes, back later [12:19] riddell: cool, but its not mine, but haris :) [12:19] yay haris [12:28] Hmm the Kubuntu site seems down from here [12:28] yep, down for me as well [12:30] works again, seems some forwarding issue [12:30] congratulations everyone! [12:32] Its very slow though [12:35] cdimage looks trashed, can't grab a torrent file [12:35] oh, here we go [12:36] Hmm all the Ubuntu sites seem problematic and more overloaded than they were for any other release [12:36] * Hobbsee is about ot start torrenting! [12:37] how fast can one run through 200gb? [12:37] GirlyGirl: that's normal for LTS releases [12:51] well, we seem to be slashdotted, no way to get that website: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download [12:55] Mamarok: keep pressing F5, some mirrors are working [12:55] elsewhere: "showing a drupal branded error message on www.ubuntu.com is surely not intended" not just us [12:56] did they always do that/ [12:56] or did we actually do a static page before? [12:56] Riddell: yes, that's what I am doing [12:56] seeding out of a machine in au at 65mbps at the moment [12:56] Hobbsee: I don't think we've had this problem before [12:57] ahhh === mck182 is now known as mck182|afk [12:58] Riddell: I read the backscroll on #ubuntu-release on the amd64+mac partitioner issue. My recommendation is to release note the issue and release the image as it's just one piece of the functionality that doesn't work. It won't hurt anything else. [12:59] * Hobbsee waves to ScottK [12:59] * ScottK waves to Hobbsee. [12:59] Nice to see you around. [12:59] indeed, nice to be here [12:59] fun to smash the hell out of my vps :P [13:02] Hiyas all [13:08] hm, I get "illegal token:60" messages for both the desktop-amd64.iso and the alternat-amd54.iso [13:11] because those links are wrong, the point to http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/precise/... instead of http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/ [13:12] could somebody check with an editor? === GirlyGirl_ is now known as GirlyGirl === mck182|afk is now known as mck182 === smarter_ is now known as smarter [13:55] Whoever was having the high CPU/crash problems with akonadi_mailfilter_agent, I now know how to fix it without having to delet all your mail. See Bug #988866 [13:55] Launchpad bug 988866 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "akonadi_mailfilter_agent eats 100% CPU and RAM and then crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/988866 === Mamarok_ is now known as Guest693 === Guest80772 is now known as Mamarok [15:05] bug 988908 [15:05] Launchpad bug 988908 in Kubuntu Website "torrent links for precise go nowhere" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/988908 [15:05] thank you for the 12.04 LTS [15:05] ScottK: Who sets up the files and torrents? [15:06] y/w micmord [15:06] http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/ [15:06] :) Thanks or using. :D [15:06] this is the right link i suppose [15:08] garg, where did Riddell take off to... [15:09] claydoh: ping [15:32] Darkwing: need website help? [15:32] yofel: Aye, I'll PM you. [15:45] We don't have a torrent setup for alt i*86? [15:45] http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/alternate/ [15:50] Darkwing: yes, but the links are wrong [15:50] Mamarok: fixing. [15:51] * Darkwing sighs [15:52] oh, there are only 64bit apparently [15:57] Mamarok: can you refresh the download page and double check? [15:57] I think I got the torrent links fixed. [15:58] Congrats folks :) [15:58] Can someone double check the torrent links on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download for me? [15:59] Darkwing: fixed [15:59] Epic. [15:59] there doesn't seem to be any seed on the alternat 64bit [16:00] and what is amd64+mac.iso? [16:01] that one has seeders [16:01] 64bit mac? [16:01] I always use the desktop dvd for my laptop [16:02] Who's responsible for the release announcement [16:02] well, I download all 3 64bit ones, but I have no seeds on the alternate amd64.iso [16:02] Can they change the links to the torrents? [16:03] they are 404's now [16:03] Daskreech: Darkwing just did [16:03] Daskreech: refresh your browser [16:04] Darkwing: shouldn't that read torrent.ubuntu.com/.. instead of cdimage.ubuntu.com/.. ? [16:05] Mamarok: it's torrent.ubuntu.com here but it's 404 [16:05] http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [16:05] yes, and the cdimage.ubuntu.com/.. has nothing to seed [16:05] as opposed to http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [16:06] I am talking about the alternate CD, I already am seeding the other 2 64bit ones [16:06] desktop and dvd [16:07] those torrents do work, provided you have the correct link, I edited those manually [16:07] it has to be http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [16:08] and the links on the website were totally wrong [16:08] The links from the site are http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/desktop/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [16:08] now, yes [16:08] there is a folder missing [16:09] check with mine above [16:09] I know i went manually and grabbed them [16:09] that works [16:09] but that won't be the response of most people [16:09] Darkwing: could you please correct those? [16:09] Yup [16:09] working on it. [16:09] Daskreech: we are currently working on putting the correct links [16:09] guess why I am talking about that [16:10] Mamarok: Cool :) need a proof reader for the release ? [16:10] Daskreech: well, the release is already out, no? [16:10] I didn't write it [16:10] should be. [16:11] ok I'll look it over [16:11] I'll seed the isos in a bit, I've got desktop/alt/dvd lying around here [16:12] yofel: we need correct torrent links to start with [16:12] the alternate amd64 has nothing to seed, 404 error [16:13] I am already seeding the desktop-amd64 and dvd-amd64 [16:13] I'll leave that to Darkwing [16:14] how is it even possible to screw up the links that much? Why is there no consistency in the location and where is the iso for the alternate-amd64? [16:14] Ubuntu's overall theme is inconsistency [16:15] ~http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release has and error under Download A Dik Image [16:15] Disk [16:15] Daskreech: then they should fire the sysadmins and hire people who know their job? [16:15] It has a visible anchor insteead of a link [16:15] Mamarok: somehow it will be the community [16:16] well then congrats community on fucking up a release with wrong links ;) [16:16] so where is the alternate-amd64.iso? [16:17] not where it should be [16:17] Here's more: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download --> torrent files link not working. [16:18] arpanpatelia: guess what we are talking about... [16:18] Darkwing: fixed thangks [16:18] er, Daskreech^ [16:18] I just saved the get downloads page... [16:18] Darkwing: I only edited the announcement [16:18] in which folder is the alternate-amd64.iso? Not where it should be apparently [16:19] so someone who is responsible for the torrent server should hurry up to fix that [16:19] Mamarok: That is Canonical sysadmin. [16:20] Darkwing: that is what I said earlier, they should fire them for incompetence [16:20] I'm a volunteer lol [16:20] Darkwing: to fire them? I would be very good in kicking asses [16:21] even have very pointy shoes [16:21] lol [16:21] hehehe [16:22] did somebody at least notify them? [16:23] Okay. I pulled the torrent links from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/ [16:23] the links are ok now here [16:25] yofel: They work now? [16:26] for me yes [16:26] still nothing to seed for the alternate-amd64.iso [16:27] And now you have happy campers in the #kubuntu chan [16:28] Well, the link has been down... [16:28] wget on the .iso file directly works, the torrent doesn't seed though [16:29] Are there any peers? [16:29] nope [16:29] You should be able to wget the ISO and then seed from that if there are peers [16:29] oh [16:29] The tracker is messed up then? [16:30] yep, that is waht I am talking about the whole time :) [16:30] no peers, no seeds [16:30] a peer showed up (I have dht on though) [16:30] whats the tracker URL? [16:30] so do I, no peer [16:30] http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce [16:32] which gives an error, requested download not authorized for use with this tracker [16:32] That should work. [16:32] Bleah [16:32] Darkwing: Any idea which chan would be in charge of that? [16:32] yofel: you don't get an error on that? [16:33] I use dht as well [16:33] I do, but rtorrent then just switches to dht:// [16:33] this *always* happens on releases [16:35] with wget this will take ages [16:36] Daskreech: No... [16:36] Daskreech: I'll work on it [16:36] yofel: so if I want to seed, how do I proceed then? [16:37] do you have the image yet? if yes I would just wait, if not I would try zsync - that at least uses compression unlike wget [16:38] hm, let me check if that is faster... [16:38] the path to the .torrents is working on the website right? [16:39] or if it's really not downloadable I'll symlink my images here [16:39] once I'm done copying them [16:39] wget (at least with the desktop-i386 torrent) seems to work for me [16:39] even if it's slow [16:40] tsimpson: yes, it works, but takes about 90 minutes or so [16:42] CONGRATS EVERYONE! great job on yet another amazing release! [16:42] nixternal: I blame you!!! [16:43] nixternal: It does look good though :) [16:43] and more exciting things coming up [16:43] Mamarok: takes me around 30-40 seconds to download the .torrent [16:43] you can't blame me, I haven't touched a damn thing in probably 2 years [16:44] tsimpson: you talk about the alternate-amd64.iso I am talking about? [16:44] nixternal: And it's a great release!! :-D [16:45] Mamarok: i tried with the desktop-i386, but the alternate-amd64 one seems to download too [16:45] nixternal: They ar blaming me now instead of you... I want to know how that happened... [16:45] they can smell a sucker a mile away, that's how :p [16:46] tsimpson: the torrent? It doesn't have peers [16:46] nixternal: too true [16:46] nixternal: and it's all your fault. [16:46] Mamarok: I just mean the .torrent file, not the actual ISO over bittorrent [16:47] so, the paths to the .torrent files are fixed? [16:47] not for me [16:48] no peers, same tracker error as before [16:49] just to clear up: tracker broken, links fixed [16:49] I can wget kubuntu-12.04-{alternate,desktop}-{i386,amd64}.iso.torrent fine, just takes a age to connect to cdimage.u.c [16:49] whats the difference between dvd and cd? [16:50] tsimpson: I can wget the iso as well, but the torrent needs to work as this is what we link to from the download page [16:50] and it is the only torrent not working, the other 2 amd64 (desktop, dvd) work fine [16:50] starbuck: DVD has extra language packs and extra packages (installable from apt-get), but the installed system is the same [16:51] tsimpson: alright, what extra packages is that? [16:52] starbuck: there is a list of the DVD's content at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04-dvd-i386.list [16:54] thanks! [17:01] AFK for a bit. If there are any more issues with the website, PM me. [17:08] congrats peeps! [18:36] Darkwing: Dunno. [18:38] ScottK: I think I got it figured out. Thanks mate [18:38] OK. [18:38] Great. [18:44] anyone working on kmail segfaults [18:47] BluesKaj: Segfaults should be reported upstream to bugs.kde.org. [18:47] Whatever they get fixed we'll get with 4.8.3 when it comes. [18:54] ScottK, i reported 3 so far in the last 2 weeks [18:54] OK. [18:56] these segfaults go back several months ...doesn't look to me like they are being taken very seriously or they bug reports have become overwhelming === grmls_ is now known as grmls [19:11] so apparently it's release day [19:12] 10.10 is going EOL huh? crap. will have to reinstall. [19:12] but that's effort, so maybe not [19:16] maco: Why have to re-install? [19:16] 16GB SSD [19:17] Should be enough for an upgrade if you slim down first. [19:18] 4GB of it is swap [19:18] if i remove dropbox i might get enough space [19:18] but usually just installing security updates requires an "apt-get clean" first [19:18] who uyses swap? [19:19] maco: How much RAM on the box? [19:19] 2GB [19:19] you poor thing :( [19:20] hmm? max the motherboard can handle [19:20] now, if the motherboard could also handle STAYING POWERED ON....thatd be nice too! [19:20] pft, that's extra [19:20] (that's the other thing, for all i know, the motherboard will jsut power off in the middle of upgrade. it powers off in the middle of plenty other things...) [19:20] sounds like time for an upgrade === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [19:21] that computer is 2 years old [19:21] almost [19:21] not quite [19:21] it's been doing that since 3 months after i got it [19:21] P.O.S. netbook cost $700 and does that [19:22] it's the netbook though, so i just use vim as my editor (never lose state) and the SSD means it boots pretty quick, so i can get working again readily enough [19:23] if i want a reliable laptop, i *downgrade* to my 2006 Gateway [19:23] never turns off at random, still has 2 hr battery life just like when i bought it, suspends perfectly, can run on battery... [19:23] zareason doesn't make 'em like gateway used to [19:24] that sucks [19:31] maco: You're unlikely to need more than 2GB swap. [19:31] ScottK: i didnt do the initial install, it's from a linux-preinstalling manufacturer [19:31] (if you're going to reinstall, may as well get more space) [19:31] OK. [19:31] it's also junk :) [19:31] pretty, but junk [19:32] Last time I was looking for a laptop, I looked at Zareason, but they didn't have one quite with quite what I wanted. Perhaps just as well. [19:34] * bulldog98 does a crasy release dance :) (wasn’t around when release happend) [19:45] we'll see in 6 months whether my friend still loves her ideapad. if so, i might go for them [19:45] (lenovo) [19:46] when i looked at ideapads years ago, they were flimsy, poorly grounded...you could feel the current running through the lid of the laptop. hers seems pretty solid though [19:53] The Dell Latitude E series seem to be pretty solid (that's what I ended up with) and Dells always have good support in Ubuntu. [19:53] With Dell you do have to be careful as they are hit or miss in terms of robustness with their different lines. [20:17] Riddell: While you weren't around, I added one more bug to the known problems as I finally learned enough about how to work around it to have some useful advice. [20:17] Riddell: Did you see my earlier comment about the desktop amd64+mac image? [20:18] happy kubuntu 12.04 day all of you :). [20:34] hi ScottK [20:34] Hello Riddell. [20:34] ScottK: you think desktop amd64+mac is good enough? [20:34] thanks Ezim [20:35] Riddell: Yes. With a release note that says don't use the partitioner on that image. [20:35] do you know if skeat is still around to confer? [20:35] Dunno. [20:35] Slangasek is around. [20:36] Riddell, thx you. is libreoffice toolbar thing fixed with 12.04? I did forgott to write bugreport about that. [20:36] I think it's mostly our call anyway. [20:36] Ezim: You mean the thing where it's black text on black background? [20:37] ScottK, exaclty. [20:37] Ezim: Fixed for me. [20:37] ScottK: did shadeslayer do any testing of it? [20:37] I see two of the three tests marked pass in the tracker. [20:37] schmidtm, nice nice. one more less thing to fix when I make clean installation of kubuntu 12.04.1 :). [20:38] mean ScottK and not schmidtm. sorry. [20:38] I tested the live session myself on my daughter's mac. [20:38] Ezim: You should be able to upgrade fine. [20:38] ScottK, I have ppa and other things outside the repo. [20:39] Ah. [20:39] do not really wanted to mess up my well running kubuntu 11.10/kubuntu-backports [20:39] If it's just that PPA, it should upgrade OK. [20:39] ScottK, generally yes. but I prefer clean installation. [20:40] ScottK: "Akonadi mail filter fails after configuration corrupted" was what you added? [20:40] yes. [20:41] ScottK: who added "KDM login manager" to release notes? [20:41] Not me. [20:42] Riddell: That's a carry forward from oneiric. It's still valid. [20:42] (so I actually did add it, just not for this release) [20:42] it was apw, a kubuntu user I didn't know about [20:43] but it does mean the kubuntu.org announce and the release notes wiki page are out of sync [20:43] * Riddell fixes [20:43] Thanks. [20:56] ScottK: waiting for slangasek to be free before I ask an opinion on the amd64+mac image [20:57] OK. Sounds good. [21:22] hi [21:24] hi grmls [21:24] hi Riddell [21:25] i found a bug in 12.04 [21:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/989251 [21:25] Launchpad bug 989251 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kde crashed after moving mouse pointer over the task bar" [Undecided,New] [21:28] i hope you understand my english [21:32] grmls: got a backtrace? [21:33] ScottK: amd64+mac desktop image is out and sufficiently caveated I think [21:33] ScottK: thanks a lot for your help in the release, good job there [21:35] sry, no [22:13] Riddell: Thanks and you're welcome. [22:20] yay, this time around they didn't re-direct #ubuntu+1 to the release party channel [22:20] that was super annoying when they did that [22:20] hi JontheEchidna, thanks for the last minute fix [22:20] thanks to yofel too for similar [22:20]