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| Guest37447 | hello | 00:35 |
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| xixor | sup dawgs | 01:07 |
| xixor | yo, how do I run something from the keyboard? windows key + R in windows, and just type the name of a program, and it will find it, and run it? is that possible? | 01:20 |
| oldos2er | xixor: Alt-F2 | 01:20 |
| xixor | ah, cool, thanks | 01:21 |
| oldos2er | xixor: welcome | 01:21 |
| xixor | well, the kubuntu 12.04 beta installer was the smoothest and most refined linux installer I have ever seen | 01:21 |
| oldos2er | +1 | 01:22 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Will this bug be fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/953559 before the release ? | 01:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 953559 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "12.04 install failed to install bootloader using btrfs for root file system" [Medium,New] | 01:23 |
| junior | boa noite povo | 01:24 |
| xixor | oldos2er: I haven't run a linux on a desktop machine in a few years… headless servers only | 01:24 |
| tbruff13 | congrats to the kubuntu team this is the first time i have had a apt-dist upgrade that did not break my system | 01:25 |
| oldos2er | phoenix_firebrd: you should probably ask in #ubuntu-devel | 01:25 |
| phoenix_firebrd | oldos2er: ya thats right | 01:26 |
| oldos2er | xixor: well, hope you enjoy kubuntu. i sure do | 01:26 |
| xixor | yeah… looks good so far | 01:26 |
| tbruff13 | oldos2er, i already use it it was just an upgrade | 01:26 |
| tbruff13 | oldos2er, i have a question about graphics drivers if you don't mind | 01:27 |
| tbruff13 | when is jockey going to update their AMD drivers | 01:27 |
| xixor | oldos2er: I haven't used KDE that much since 2005… I've forgotten everything. I feel a little naked not knowing all the keystrokes, configurations, etc | 01:27 |
| oldos2er | tbruff13: no idea. nvidia here | 01:27 |
| oldos2er | i'm not a dev | 01:27 |
| oldos2er | xixor: it's the same as kde 3.5x, but different. :) | 01:28 |
| oldos2er | check out http://kubuntuforums.net/ | 01:29 |
| xixor | I find KDE a little hard to get my head around to be honest | 01:31 |
| oldos2er | xixor: yeah, you can do as much or as little customization as you like | 01:32 |
| oldos2er | there's a lot to learn | 01:32 |
| xixor | You know, there is a lot there | 01:32 |
| oldos2er | i've been using kde 4.x for a couple years, feel like i've just scratched the surface | 01:33 |
| xixor | is there a windows+key + E? launch new explorer/nautilus/whatever keystroke that is default? | 01:34 |
| oldos2er | um... | 01:34 |
| xixor | ah, dolphin is what it's called, sorry, my bad | 01:34 |
| oldos2er | you can configure any keyboard shortcuts you prefer | 01:35 |
| oldos2er | try http://maketecheasier.com/configure-custom-shortcuts-in-kde/2009/09/28 | 01:36 |
| xixor | so, I have a mouse, microsoft wireless mouse 5000, works ok. Do you think getting the forward/back buttons on either side of the mouse is a fools errand? | 01:37 |
| oldos2er | xixor: you mean to go forward / back in dolphin? | 01:39 |
| oldos2er | i have a microsoft mouse too | 01:39 |
| xixor | yeah, that's exactly what I mean | 01:41 |
| oldos2er | try http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=92930 | 01:41 |
| oldos2er | haven't tried that myself though | 01:41 |
| xixor | sounds like you have to change code and recompile? | 01:42 |
| xixor | rekonq is following the forward/back buttons, but dolphin isn't | 01:42 |
| oldos2er | not sure. don't think compiling anything is required.... | 01:43 |
| oldos2er | if you check out http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Feature_Plan it says that feature is planned for kde 4.9 | 01:44 |
| xixor | oh, the xbinkeys method? | 01:45 |
| xixor | ooh, cool | 01:45 |
| oldos2er | yes | 01:45 |
| xixor | so do most people end up installing aptitude? or do most (k/u)buntuers use apt-get? I have mainly been using debian the last … 15 years or so | 01:47 |
| oldos2er | i love aptitude, but it sux with multiarch | 01:48 |
| xixor | multiarch? | 01:48 |
| oldos2er | running 32-bit apps on 64-bit OS | 01:49 |
| xixor | gahhh!!! kubuntu doesn't install vim by default????? the horrors | 01:49 |
| oldos2er | aptitude gets confused about dependencies | 01:49 |
| oldos2er | lol | 01:49 |
| xixor | 12.04 is still in beta right? | 01:51 |
| oldos2er | until tomorrow | 01:52 |
| oldos2er | or today, depending on your location | 01:52 |
| xixor | oh really? | 01:52 |
| xixor | cool… I get to experience the apt-get dist-upgrade in kubuntu | 01:53 |
| * xixor pre-emptively prepares a rescue cd | 01:53 | |
| xixor | is there a KDE for <insert OS here> users guide/tutorial? | 02:05 |
| oldos2er | http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forumdisplay.php?21-Documentation | 02:08 |
| xixor | ah. great | 02:11 |
| xixor | I will read that all through tonight | 02:11 |
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| === emma is now known as em | ||
| Guest47627 | hola | 03:24 |
| Guest47627 | hi | 03:26 |
| Guest47627 | some know how to put a cd rom shortcut on dolphin? | 03:26 |
| Jacky | Like into the panels on the left? | 03:34 |
| Jacky | (or right) | 03:34 |
| Guest47627 | yes | 03:38 |
| Guest47627 | left | 03:38 |
| Jacky | Well, navigating to that view in Dolphin, then right-clicking the panel and then selecting 'Add Entry..' | 03:40 |
| Jacky | should do the trick. | 03:40 |
| Guest47627 | and path? | 03:41 |
| Jacky | Should be automatically filled with the current directory path. | 03:48 |
| Jacky | >_< | 03:48 |
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| === chalced is now known as chalcedony | ||
| nicon` | Hello :-) Is there any informations when can I expect new Kubuntu 12.04 in download? | 08:22 |
| Riddell | nicon`: out today | 08:23 |
| Riddell | more kubuntu presense needed in #ubuntu-release-party | 08:23 |
| ikonia | nicon`: I'd already told you this in #ubuntu | 08:24 |
| nicon` | ikonia: :-) | 08:24 |
| ikonia | nicon`: spamming channels with the same question after being told isn't nice | 08:24 |
| ikonia | nicon`: I don't find it funny, I find it rude | 08:24 |
| nicon` | ikonia: on diffrent channels there's diffrent people. | 08:27 |
| nicon` | And now I'm asking about kubuntu, not ubuntu. | 08:27 |
| ikonia | but you've already had the answer | 08:27 |
| nicon` | So please, stay calm :-) | 08:27 |
| ikonia | I am calm, | 08:27 |
| nicon` | I don't see it :-) | 08:27 |
| ikonia | then you are blind as well as rude | 08:27 |
| nicon` | Now this talk is more spamming, than one my question :-) | 08:27 |
| Tm_T | nicon`: yes, when it's out (prolly within next 12 hours) | 08:28 |
| ikonia | yes, it is | 08:28 |
| nicon` | And this is answer I was looking for. | 08:28 |
| nicon` | Tm_T: thanks. | 08:28 |
| Tm_T | no hard-set release time as far as I know | 08:28 |
| nicon` | On #ubuntu they couldn't answer :-) | 08:28 |
| nicon` | So there was a reason to ask it here. | 08:28 |
| SunTsu | nicon`: you already git this answer on #ubuntu | 08:28 |
| SunTsu | got even | 08:28 |
| Tm_T | nicon`: you can join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you like to share the waiting with other enthusiasts | 08:28 |
| === Jacky is now known as JackyAlcine | ||
| === JackyAlcine is now known as Jacky | ||
| georgelappies | hi all, is it out yet? | 09:01 |
| Unit193 | Ubuntu will be released by the end of 26th, UTC. | 09:01 |
| * Jacky looks at the clock. | 09:02 | |
| * Jacky sets timer. | 09:02 | |
| georgelappies | lol, me as well | 09:02 |
| Tm_T | I wonder how people assume they would miss the release | 09:02 |
| Jacky | Mark, I'm looking at you, lol. | 09:02 |
| georgelappies | haven't been any large updates lately so the daily cureent of today should be identical to the final right? | 09:03 |
| Tm_T | I mean, the amount of fuss it triggers... | 09:03 |
| Tm_T | georgelappies: hopefully, yes | 09:03 |
| georgelappies | just for info, what happens to the cdimage.ubuntu/daily-current/ iso for kubuntu once 12.04 is out? does it stay the same as the final iso i.e. no more change? | 09:06 |
| Tm_T | georgelappies: daily is daily (: | 09:07 |
| georgelappies | or is it rebuild daily still with only 12.04 fixes in? (now new stuff for 12.10) | 09:07 |
| Tm_T | georgelappies: 12.10 development wont begin in few weeks anyway | 09:08 |
| Tm_T | after that, daily will be daily development I believe | 09:08 |
| rethus | some time ago there was a shortcut: CTRL+ALT+Backspace to kick the windowmanager... how can i reactivate this? | 09:24 |
| Tm_T | rethus: "alt"+"print screen"+"k" perhaps? | 09:25 |
| rethus | why that? | 09:25 |
| rethus | has the "kick wm" shortut switch to those strange shortcut? | 09:26 |
| Tm_T | my source is this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1220/how-can-i-restart-x-server-from-the-command-line | 09:27 |
| Oxymoron | What will 12.10 brings? | 09:31 |
| Riddell | that's a question for 6 months time | 09:32 |
| ct529 | hi everybody .... is there an interface in kubuntu to switch on and off all the services, and to decided which services should be run at boot time (mysql, http, and so on)? | 09:54 |
| kalleguld | anyone here want to take a bug report on the kubuntu.org website? | 10:12 |
| Riddell | kalleguld: maybe, what's up? | 10:16 |
| kalleguld | all the kubuntu download links points to 12.04, but I get a 404 error when downloading | 10:17 |
| Riddell | kalleguld: that's because we're in the process of releasing! | 10:17 |
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| Riddell | it's not a one step process, a bit of patience needed :) | 10:17 |
| kalleguld | ah, ok. When can I expect it to work again? | 10:18 |
| Riddell | kalleguld: "today" is all we can say | 10:18 |
| kalleguld | ok, 'll try in 24 hours time :) | 10:18 |
| kalleguld | thanks for the help, and good luck on the new release :) | 10:19 |
| Riddell | kalleguld: nah should be much sooner than that | 10:19 |
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| ct529 | hi everybody .... is there an interface in kubuntu to switch on and off all the services, and to decided which services should be run at boot time (mysql, http, and so on)? | 10:30 |
| hup | when will 12.04 be out? will it be directly on kubuntu.org when it's out? | 10:42 |
| ikonia | hup: pretty much yes, the home pages will be updated | 10:43 |
| hup | ok thanks | 10:43 |
| Riddell | ikonia: thanks :) | 10:44 |
| ikonia | ;~ | 10:45 |
| ikonia | ;) | 10:45 |
| georgelappies | during the last two weeks or so i downloaded ubuntu and xubuntu and tried the 12.04 releases out. Problem is once you used kubuntu KDE DE nothing else even comes close! The kubuntu and kde guys rock :D | 10:45 |
| Riddell | georgelappies: you can stay around :) | 10:46 |
| georgelappies | ubuntu unity is to slow still and pressing meta key to bring up Dash is very, very slow. Who wants to wait 10 seconds when pressing a button the first time after a boot to see possible apps if you don't know the name for them :( | 10:47 |
| georgelappies | thanks Riddel, will surely do | 10:47 |
| georgelappies | xfce is just to dated graphics wise, the top panel hurts my eyes when I look at it. My 12.04 kubuntu install doesn't use that much more ram and sure feels just as snappy but looks order of magnitude more beutifull | 10:49 |
| Riddell | georgelappies: we like to think of kubuntu as just that little bit better looking. the software is pretty too | 10:51 |
| georgelappies | Riddel: Qt is completely opensource now right? also will kde be ported to Qt5? | 10:55 |
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| Riddell | georgelappies: it's been completely free software for about a decade | 10:57 |
| Riddell | georgelappies: the development process is now also very open | 10:57 |
| Riddell | georgelappies: kdelibs will become KDE Frameworks 5 and use Qt 5, besides applications needing a recompile there won't be noteable change for users | 10:58 |
| cinde | I forgot my password, and tried to reset it from the prompt in the grub menu, by typing 'passwd cinde' It asks for the new password and to retype, but then it says password has not been changed. Any ideas why that is not working? | 11:01 |
| georgelappies | Riddel: cool :) so are there plans for kde5? | 11:02 |
| sjk_ | I have problem printing with 12.04 beta. Printer Configuration does not print test page | 11:06 |
| vista_killer | hello | 11:07 |
| vista_killer | nice work with kubuntu 12.04 | 11:07 |
| vista_killer | this release is perfect :) | 11:07 |
| sjk_ | Is that a common problem or just me? | 11:07 |
| cinde | sjk: I have a problem with my printers also. They'll work when I first add them, then a couple of days later they wont work | 11:10 |
| georgelappies | my bad, KDE Frameworks 5 is KDE5 :) | 11:10 |
| sjk_ | I didn't succeed with printing at all | 11:10 |
| sjk_ | with another computer and kubuntu 11.10 the same printer works | 11:11 |
| cinde | sjk: did you try googling your printer with kubuntu 12.04? | 11:12 |
| sjk_ | cinde: i am trying, but no success yet | 11:14 |
| gribouille | hi | 11:48 |
| gribouille | when will 12.04 be released? | 11:48 |
| asfyxia | gribouille: I guess somewhere in the evening, european time | 11:52 |
| mweijts | http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download | 11:55 |
| urlwolf | will kubuntu be released at the same time as ubuntu today? | 11:56 |
| urlwolf | The iso beta 2 has been removed... | 11:56 |
| artao | hai | 12:00 |
| artao | today at some point I'll be recieving a new video card. moving from an ati x600 to a geforce gtx560 ti ... .... regarding installing the new card, all i have to do under linux is shut the machine down, install the new card, and reboot. right? linux will automagically take care of the hardware change? | 12:01 |
| szal | artao: if you didn't have proprietary drivers installed for the ATI card, that'll most likely do | 12:02 |
| szal | artao: if you did, however, you might first want to remove these | 12:02 |
| artao | yeah. the x600 is legacy. unsupported by ati's linux driver. | 12:02 |
| Riddell | whee! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release | 12:03 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu to: Official Kubuntu support | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Pastes: http://paste.kde.org | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Guidelines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IRC/Guidelines | Kmail users read this before upgrading: http://bit.ly/o841iy | 12.04 LTS http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release | ||
| artao | i figured linux would do such =D thx .... i remember YEARS ago me and some buddies installed linux on one computer, took the hard drive out and put it in a COMPLETELY different computer, and tried booting ... linux was confused at first, and wanted to reboot a couple more times ... but then ran just fine | 12:04 |
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| === frega_ is now known as frega | ||
| ct529 | hi everybody .... is there an interface in kubuntu to switch on and off all the services, and to decided which services should be run at boot time (mysql, http, and so on)? | 12:15 |
| GirlyGirl | ct529: Statup settings or something in systemsettings | 12:16 |
| GirlyGirl | ct529: Ah sorry that is for kde services only I think | 12:17 |
| ct529 | GirlyGirl: indeed, I am talking about system services, like daemons and so on | 12:17 |
| ct529 | GirlyGirl: but thanks all the same for the nice try :-) | 12:17 |
| urlwolf | I'm going to install kubuntu from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ | 12:18 |
| Riddell | urlwolf: eh? | 12:18 |
| urlwolf | is this a bad idea? if so, stop me. | 12:18 |
| ikonia | urlwolf: you said that in #ubuntu | 12:18 |
| Riddell | urlwolf: follow links from http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release | 12:19 |
| ikonia | urlwolf: can you please stop asking the same questions in multiple channels | 12:19 |
| urlwolf | yes, sorry, I mistook the chat win | 12:19 |
| Riddell | to e.g. http://www.stgraber.org/download/releases/kubuntu/12.04/ | 12:19 |
| urlwolf | I realized my error, but it was too late | 12:19 |
| asfyxia | join #ubuntu | 12:19 |
| asfyxia | sorry... mistake | 12:20 |
| urlwolf | Riddell: thanks, thes link is then the release version. great! | 12:20 |
| === jalcine- is now known as jacky | ||
| vista_killer | telepathy is not working i try to add gmail and msn account but it never connect | 12:37 |
| vista_killer | and the edit. remove account are not working at all | 12:38 |
| dmatt | ct529: if you are trying to avoid manual conf file editing, try rcconf, it is not kde based, but is easy enough and has no dependencies | 12:44 |
| gribouille | kubuntu keeps asking me if I want to upgrade to the new version. How can I disable this? | 12:54 |
| dmatt | ct529: aah, rcconf is probably limited to system 5services and not upstart, so it is not good solution | 12:54 |
| antlarr | "Site off-line" . Too much pressure? :) | 12:56 |
| === mck182 is now known as mck182|afk | ||
| dmatt | gribouille: muon/settings/remind me of distribution upgrade (might be slightly different words in your localisation) | 12:58 |
| gribouille | dmatt, ok, thanks | 12:59 |
| ManDay | Hello. | 13:01 |
| ManDay | When will Kubuntu probabaly be released? | 13:01 |
| liquidat | ManDay: http://www.stgraber.org/download/releases/kubuntu/12.04/ | 13:02 |
| asfyxia | Manday, it's already there, but the fire brigade is cooling the servers... | 13:02 |
| ManDay | Yes, everything died | 13:02 |
| ManDay | I did not think Kubuntu would be released on the same days ubuntu | 13:02 |
| ManDay | cheers | 13:02 |
| drostie | what's happened? :o | 13:02 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 13:02 |
| ManDay | Ubuntu was release drostie | 13:03 |
| ManDay | That happend. | 13:03 |
| drostie | I know that, but was there a capacity problem or something? | 13:03 |
| ManDay | There always is | 13:03 |
| imetallica | ManDay, too many people are connecting to the servers. That's the problem. | 13:03 |
| BluesKaj | nothing new in my repos , and I'm on 12.04 beta | 13:03 |
| ManDay | I think it was the same 2 cycles ago | 13:04 |
| ManDay | Everyone rushing to download the freshly realeased version | 13:04 |
| ManDay | "Available only for limited time and in limited amounts" | 13:04 |
| gribouille | what is apper? | 13:05 |
| ManDay | "paper", perhaps? | 13:06 |
| drostie | okay, hopping on the torrents to help seed them back to others. :D | 13:07 |
| drostie | woo, already hit an upload speed of 1 MB/s. :D | 13:09 |
| gribouille | HOW CAN STOP APPER FROM CONSTANTLY ASKING IF I WANT TO UPGRADE TO THE NEW DISTRIBUTION? | 13:11 |
| liquidat | gribouille: Are you nuts? | 13:11 |
| drostie | by upgrading? :D | 13:11 |
| gribouille | liquidat, no | 13:11 |
| SunTsu | gribouille: by not yelling | 13:11 |
| liquidat | gribouille: I was about to answer the question what apper is, but since you started screaming: no way. | 13:12 |
| gribouille | liquidat, fuck off | 13:12 |
| drostie | Yes, tell the support staff to fuck off, that will surely get you an answer. | 13:12 |
| SunTsu | gribouille: watch your language, else opers might decide that your time in this chanel is up | 13:12 |
| drostie | It's not like we're volunteers in an open source project or anything. | 13:12 |
| * liquidat likes ignore lists =) | 13:13 | |
| * SunTsu seconds that | 13:13 | |
| Tm_T | everybody, calm down and behave (: | 13:15 |
| asfyxia | http://userbase.kde.org/Apper | 13:15 |
| danielo | witam | 13:18 |
| danielo | helo. | 13:18 |
| danielo | I would like to ask You about torrent with kubuntu 12.04 64 bit??? | 13:18 |
| imetallica | question: kubuntu ships with calligra or with libreoffice? | 13:18 |
| drostie | i386 torrent ratio > 1.0 now. :D | 13:18 |
| drostie | and seeding amd64. | 13:18 |
| danielo | I was trying to het it from homepage | 13:19 |
| drostie | yay for large data transfers. | 13:19 |
| danielo | get* | 13:19 |
| drostie | torrents are here, danielo: http://www.stgraber.org/download/releases/kubuntu/12.04/ | 13:19 |
| danielo | thanks | 13:19 |
| Tm_T | imetallica: calligra I believe | 13:20 |
| danielo | the homepage is overloaded | 13:20 |
| danielo | I heard caligra | 13:20 |
| drostie | danielo: see the file kubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent | 13:20 |
| imetallica | Cool, looking forward to try calligra... thanks Tm_T. | 13:21 |
| === GirlyGirl_ is now known as GirlyGirl | ||
| danielo | I was trying caligra on my 11.10 | 13:22 |
| danielo | there is a lot to do | 13:22 |
| danielo | but is is usable :P | 13:22 |
| imetallica | danielo, yeh but calligra will be kinda promising when it's finished. | 13:23 |
| imetallica | I remember using it once, it had poor compatibility with M$ files... | 13:23 |
| danielo | I was trying it. And the UI is really great | 13:24 |
| === mck182|afk is now known as mck182 | ||
| danielo | it is stable to I think | 13:24 |
| danielo | but I had dificullty find some funcionality | 13:25 |
| danielo | f.e. to set one background to the all in caligra stage | 13:25 |
| danielo | I mean here for all slides | 13:26 |
| drostie | yay, seeding i386 now too. :D | 13:26 |
| danielo | in spreed sheet caligra I couldnt deleta all cell. I had to do it one by one | 13:26 |
| imetallica | drostie, poor download speed here :< | 13:27 |
| drostie | haven't quite hit 2MiB/s upload, but I have come a little close occasionally. | 13:27 |
| danielo | and other thinks like that | 13:27 |
| Ravage | #/join #kubuntu-de | 13:27 |
| danielo | It was hard to find some funcions in hole caligra | 13:27 |
| imetallica | danielo, well I hope they fixed most of these things | 13:28 |
| imetallica | cus I really liked the new version... | 13:28 |
| danielo | yeah | 13:28 |
| danielo | I do to | 13:28 |
| danielo | and I have to admit that performance are better in libre office :D | 13:29 |
| imetallica | meh downloading at 150Kbps is soo sad :< | 13:29 |
| danielo | I am downloading throught http 475 KiB/s | 13:30 |
| drostie | Such a shame I never wrote that script to make Deluge report its share ratios in decibels. :< | 13:30 |
| danielo | so with whole my internet speed :D | 13:30 |
| drostie | woo! just hit 2 MiB/s upload, just for a short time. :D | 13:31 |
| drostie | and am sustaining it. :DD | 13:32 |
| imetallica | and here I've got like 10Mbps of download | 13:32 |
| drostie | Just for kicks, my ratios when measured in decibels are now +1.4 dB, +0.8 dB on the two main deskto torrents. :D | 13:34 |
| ManDay | Still down | 13:35 |
| Kalidarn | hrm are the dvds out yet though | 13:38 |
| drostie | The DVDs are out but I'm not helping with their torrents. | 13:39 |
| sc077 | @ikonia are you active this morning? | 13:47 |
| gribouille | apper still asks me to upgrade | 13:47 |
| sc077 | I've got a leak on my SSD (seriously!) any ext4 gurus around? | 13:50 |
| drostie | gribouille: try opening Software Updates, go to Settings, uncheck "show notifications for distribution upgrades"? | 13:51 |
| BluesKaj | so there are no upgrades from the beta on april 22....nothing new in the repos here since then | 13:52 |
| Kalidarn | i'm on the torrents | 13:52 |
| Kalidarn | it'll probably go a lot faster than cdimage.ubuntu.com | 13:53 |
| Kalidarn | that's being thrashed | 13:53 |
| Kalidarn | either that or it's throttled im getting 10KB/s trying to download a zsync file lol | 13:53 |
| gribouille | drostie, what is the name of the command? | 13:54 |
| saidi | i want to upgrade from kubuntu 11.04 to 12.04 without Internet connection is it possible? | 13:54 |
| Kalidarn | you'll need then some media | 13:54 |
| drostie | gribouille: for me? "muon". | 13:55 |
| drostie | saidi: you can always download kubuntu 12.04 by some slow means and then burn it, or request a CD. | 13:56 |
| gribouille | drostie, it was already unchecked | 13:56 |
| saidi | drostie, i can download CD using other computer, i just don't which CD, the live or alternative? | 13:58 |
| saidi | *don't know* | 13:58 |
| ManDay | Excuse me, the kubuntu.com header looks ugly. | 13:59 |
| GirlyGirl | saidi: You need the alternate image to do an offline upgrade | 14:00 |
| ManDay | The one with the blue bubbles and a completely unaesthetic text glued onto it. | 14:00 |
| drostie | saidi: get both. | 14:00 |
| GirlyGirl | ManDay: kubuntu.org you mean | 14:00 |
| ManDay | GirlyGirl: Is there a difference? | 14:00 |
| drostie | saidi: the alternative you need to do the upgrade, but you need a livecd to debug if anything goes horribly wrong. | 14:01 |
| imetallica | kubuntu.com redirects to .org | 14:01 |
| BluesKaj | Anyone upgrading from beta this morning ? or is there an upgrade ? | 14:01 |
| drostie | saidi: I mean, nothing should go horribly wrong. but I try to always be prepared. | 14:01 |
| drostie | yay, torrent ratios > 3 . | 14:02 |
| imetallica | 24 minutes to start installation of Kubuntu 12.04 and hello long 5 years on my laptop | 14:02 |
| GirlyGirl | imetallica: With KDE sticking to an old release isn't always the best idea | 14:03 |
| saidi | drostie, i really don't want that, what can i do if something wrong happen? clean re-install? | 14:03 |
| imetallica | GirlyGirl, why not? | 14:03 |
| drostie | saidi: that would also work. It helps to have /home on a separate partition for that, but yeah, you could always use your alternate CD to reinstall. But I use liveCDs more because I prefer to break into my own system. ^_^ | 14:04 |
| hueo | i've just upgraded to kubuntu 12.04 but i'm now getting an error when wryting sudo apt-get install -f: http://paste.kde.org/464162/ | 14:04 |
| GirlyGirl | imetallica: Lot of stablity and performance being added in the newer releases now as opposed to new features and bugs as with the early 4X releases | 14:04 |
| Kalidarn | :) queued my torrents | 14:05 |
| Kalidarn | time for sleep | 14:05 |
| hueo | i'm also getting an error when writing sudo dpkg --configure -a: http://paste.kde.org/464168/ | 14:05 |
| drostie | saidi: so for example at one point I accidentally clobbered my group flags, and lost permission to 'sudo' because of it. I had to use a liveCD to mount my drive and with some chroot magic I gave myself those permissions back. | 14:05 |
| imetallica | GirlyGirl, it's just I've a bad memory doing an dist-upgrade on kubuntu from 11.04 -> 11.10... it broke all my system | 14:06 |
| GirlyGirl | hueo: Maybe try removing those packages then installing them? | 14:06 |
| hueo | GirlyGirl: they could not be found | 14:07 |
| GirlyGirl | imetallica: Best not to do upgrades if you have 3rd party ppas, also normally after a failed upgrade the system isn't necessary unfixable | 14:07 |
| GirlyGirl | hueo: Check if you have only precise repos in /etc/apt/sources.list | 14:07 |
| imetallica | GirlyGirl, I did not use 3rd party ppas... only the official ones | 14:07 |
| saidi | drostie, LiveCD is important, but i'm talking about the upgrade is it safe? or i might broke everything | 14:08 |
| imetallica | of course I could have fixed it, but it was faster to reinstall it all from scratch anyway... | 14:08 |
| GirlyGirl | imetallica: If LTS works for you its fine of course especially if you cannot reinstall/upgrade every 6 months | 14:08 |
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| hueo | GirlyGirl: in sources.list yes but not in the folder sources.list.d :( | 14:09 |
| drostie | saidi: upgrades are intended to be quite safe, and usually are. This one probably is too. | 14:09 |
| drostie | saidi: with that said, they are a bit more unpredictable than normal software updates. | 14:09 |
| imetallica | besides I was looking for this 5y LTS release, since I's asked to deploy Kubuntu on a lab from the school I work... | 14:09 |
| GirlyGirl | hueo: Remove all mention of oneiric and then do sudo apt-get update then try -f again | 14:10 |
| GirlyGirl | imetallica: The kmix bug in 12.04 is really anoying, might want to wait till its sorted then | 14:10 |
| imetallica | GirlyGirl, what does it do? :D | 14:11 |
| saidi | drostie, GirlyGirl : thank you, i will try | 14:11 |
| GirlyGirl | imetallica: http://launchpad.net/bugs/963895 | 14:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 963895 in kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) "kmix is crashing after multiple volume changes" [High,Confirmed] | 14:12 |
| imetallica | :D | 14:12 |
| GirlyGirl | imetallica: See the release notes on the announcement at kubuntu.org for all known issues | 14:12 |
| BluesKaj | kmail is till segfaulting like crazy , here ...i thought i was being worked on | 14:13 |
| imetallica | GirlyGirl, isn't the website still down? | 14:13 |
| hueo | GirlyGirl: still the same error :( | 14:14 |
| GirlyGirl | imetallica: no but it is slow and crashes every now and then | 14:14 |
| george_ | Hello. Do I have to do something to update from 12.04 beta 2 to 12.04? | 14:14 |
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| hueo | i've removed everything which is not "precise" | 14:15 |
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| george_ | Do I have to run any command or just procede to regular updates when they come? | 14:16 |
| drostie | yay, I got a copy of the site. Boo, no Kubuntu Active for amd64. D: | 14:16 |
| BluesKaj | george_, if you updated 12.04 4 days ago then you have it already , or so it seems ...nothing new in the repos , altho kmail is still broken here | 14:17 |
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| george_ | BluesKaj: Ok. So, it seems that I alrealdy have 12.04. But I thought that 12.04 would come with telepathy and I still have kopete. | 14:18 |
| drostie | Is there a way to use the "new UIs" of Kubuntu Active in the normal Kubuntu, with a lot of work? Any links to the groups who worked on it? | 14:18 |
| drostie | I have a touchscreen convertible, so I might like it. | 14:19 |
| imetallica | GirlyGirl, thanks for the advice, I'll try it now | 14:20 |
| gribouille | I have finally defeated apper! | 14:20 |
| george_ | . | 14:20 |
| GirlyGirl | gribouille: It does not come with telepathy decision changed | 14:20 |
| gribouille | GirlyGirl, what do you mean? | 14:21 |
| GirlyGirl | gribouille: Sorry wrong person | 14:22 |
| GirlyGirl | george_: It does not come with telepathy decision changed | 14:23 |
| hueo | GirlyGirl: i was able to remove all the packages but dictionaries-common | 14:23 |
| bigbrovar | GirlyGirl: You mean the decision was changed to ship kubuntu 12.04 with kde telepathy? and it still comes with kopete by default? | 14:23 |
| GirlyGirl | hueo: Now try install -f command | 14:23 |
| GirlyGirl | bigbrovar: No to use kopete itself | 14:24 |
| george_ | GirlyGirl: Thanks Girl. | 14:24 |
| hueo | GirlyGirl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/947405/ | 14:24 |
| bigbrovar | GirlyGirl: yeah so 12.04 comes with kopete not kde telepapthy? | 14:24 |
| GirlyGirl | bigbrovar: yes it comes to kopete although I believe they wanted to use telepathy instead but the plan did not work out | 14:25 |
| bigbrovar | GirlyGirl: oh thats sad cus from what I heard kopete is nolonger maintained. But I guess they had to stick with that works.. Guess kde telepathy was not LTS ready | 14:26 |
| bigbrovar | feel so bad for not finding time to test in the development releases. about to upgrade now though. | 14:27 |
| GirlyGirl | bigbrovar: Its definitely not lts ready its in precise repos if you want to use it | 14:27 |
| bigbrovar | GirlyGirl: yeah I use pidgin anyway which works well for my needs :) | 14:27 |
| GirlyGirl | hueo: see this seems similar http://www.excession.org.uk/blog/ubuntu-1110-released.html | 14:27 |
| drostie | have uploaded 11.5 copies of Kubuntu via BitTorrent so far. :D :D :D | 14:27 |
| GirlyGirl | hueo: Fortunately I understand French considering your paste output | 14:28 |
| zeroFantasia | i cant download torrents of kubuntu cd 32/64 :| | 14:28 |
| drostie | 4 amd64, 7 i386 | 14:28 |
| bigbrovar | I just hope the network manager plasma issue has been fixed. I found it very unstable with kubuntu 11.10 | 14:28 |
| drostie | zeroFantasia: why not? | 14:28 |
| GirlyGirl | bigbrovar: Which issue? | 14:28 |
| zeroFantasia | i get a 404 error | 14:29 |
| zeroFantasia | http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/precise/desktop/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent | 14:29 |
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| drostie | zeroFantasia: try the mirror at http://www.stgraber.org/download/releases/kubuntu/12.04/ | 14:30 |
| BlouBlou | how can I upgrade kubuntu to 12.04 by not using muon? | 14:30 |
| anathema_ | hi guys I press alt+f2 and there is no launcher | 14:30 |
| anathema_ | I have just upgraded to 12.04 :D | 14:30 |
| zeroFantasia | ok thanks! i just wanted to not stress the server :) | 14:30 |
| anathema_ | any way to restore the alt+f2? | 14:31 |
| lordievader | anathema_, als+f2 still works fine here... | 14:31 |
| BlouBlou | nobody knows? | 14:31 |
| drostie | zeroFantasia: tell me about it. T_T | 14:31 |
| BlouBlou | just want to upgrade kubuntu by not using muon | 14:31 |
| anathema_ | lordievader, do you know where to find the settings? | 14:31 |
| anathema_ | cause in the keyboard shortcuts I cant find the name of this shortcut | 14:31 |
| drostie | 25 minutes until I've downloaded kubuntu active from the server and can seed it on BitTorrent. | 14:32 |
| lordievader | BlouBlou, I did that not so long ago, let me look up how... | 14:32 |
| lordievader | anathema_, no sorry... | 14:32 |
| anathema_ | thanks | 14:32 |
| anathema_ | I thougtht that it was named | 14:32 |
| anathema_ | launcher | 14:32 |
| BlouBlou | lordievader: would it work fine by using console? | 14:32 |
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| lordievader | BlouBlou, sudo do-release-upgrade -d (to be specific, I aborted it, I wanted to do a fresh install not an upgrade, but it looked like it would work) | 14:33 |
| lordievader | Ah just tested my soundblaster audio card and it work again, yay :D | 14:34 |
| drostie | yay. with hacks, I am starting my upload of kubuntu-active now. :D | 14:36 |
| huz | i'm having a problem with kde after upgrading to kubuntu 12.04, nothing is bold in the scala syntax highlighting | 14:38 |
| huz | i'm no kate 3.8.2 kde 4.8.2 | 14:38 |
| daniel____ | hey | 14:44 |
| daniel____ | Is there anyone that runs 12.04 with kde? | 14:44 |
| daniel____ | do You have icon only task manager? | 14:45 |
| daniel____ | ok I found it :P | 14:46 |
| daniel____ | :D | 14:46 |
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| drostie | yay, folks torrenting kubuntu-active are now finally able to get it at a decent rate. :D | 14:58 |
| drostie | (I am acting as a third seeder.) | 14:59 |
| lln | Torrents work? I get 404s. | 15:02 |
| zeroFantasia | lln: me too | 15:03 |
| drostie | torrents at http://www.stgraber.org/download/releases/kubuntu/12.04/ | 15:04 |
| drostie | except for kubuntu-active (our new tablet version) which is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/releases/precise/release/ | 15:04 |
| BluesKaj | heh, downloading some dbug apps and it's taking forever ...repos traffic must be real high atm. | 15:08 |
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| natman | can i ask 12.04 question in here? | 15:14 |
| drostie | okay, back to pouring 2 MiB/s into the 12.04 liveCD torrents. :D | 15:15 |
| lln | drostie: stgraber works although I get "not authorized for use with this tracker" for some. | 15:21 |
| lln | Still 404 on the officials, though. | 15:21 |
| drostie | lln. :< maybe Canonical is still being grumpy about the whole "KDE is still wiping the walls with Unity" state-of-affairs. | 15:22 |
| lln | maybe. :-) | 15:22 |
| lln | All the Lubuntus works ok from torrent.ubuntu.com. | 15:23 |
| ntadej_ | Hi! Anybody else has problems with software-properties-kde after upgrading to Precise? | 15:23 |
| GirlyGirl | ntadej_: No problems here | 15:26 |
| ntadej_ | There seems a sip4 problem: | 15:26 |
| ntadej_ | python: /build/buildd/sip4-4.13.2/siplib/siplib.c:10938: sipEnumType_alloc: Assertion `(((currentType)->td_flags & 0x0007) == 0x0003)' failed. | 15:26 |
| drostie | new upspeed record for the day, 2.6 MiB/s. I think after this the university is throttling me or so. ^_^ | 15:27 |
| drostie | might just be the fact that I'm on WiFi. | 15:27 |
| AngelForget | very very super Kubuntu 12.04 lts | 15:41 |
| drostie | someone else will have to take over spamming these torrent links because I have to go and be sportive sporty mcsporterson. | 15:42 |
| drostie | kubuntu torrents: http://www.stgraber.org/download/releases/kubuntu/12.04/ the new kubuntu-active touch torrent: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/releases/precise/release/ , pass it on. See you guys later. ^_^ | 15:44 |
| JuJuBee | I use rhythmbox on kubuntu for music. Anyone know why the repeat and shuffle icons are missing? tried finding info online but nothing I found seemed to work. | 15:44 |
| GirlyGirl | JuJuBee: Possibly some missing icon theme, try installing the icon themes that come with gnome (ubuntu) | 15:46 |
| JuJuBee | GirlyGirl: how do I know which ones to install? I only use kubuntu | 15:48 |
| GirlyGirl | JuJuBee: Sorry I don't know either as I use Kubuntu, just search icon in muon .. I think its human icon theme or something | 15:49 |
| JuJuBee | What is muon? | 15:56 |
| maco | it lets you install other software packages on your system | 15:56 |
| Daskreech | JuJuBee: Look for the Human icons | 15:56 |
| Daskreech | JuJuBee that should be the default theme I thnk | 15:57 |
| JuJuBee | Daskreech: on my system? System-settings-?Desktop Theme ? | 15:57 |
| Daskreech | JuJuBee: Muon is the Package manager | 15:58 |
| Daskreech | JuJuBee: /window 14 | 15:59 |
| Daskreech | bha | 15:59 |
| Daskreech | !info gnome-human-icon-theme | JuJuBee | 16:00 |
| ubottu | JuJuBee: gnome-human-icon-theme (source: gnome-colors): orange variation of the GNOME-Colors icon theme. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.5.1-1ubuntu1 (precise), package size 327 kB, installed size 1823 kB | 16:00 |
| Daskreech | JuJuBee: I thnk that's the package you need | 16:00 |
| GirlyGirl | JuJuBee: Search for muon in the menu | 16:00 |
| JuJuBee | Found it | 16:02 |
| JuJuBee | Updating now, then will search for gnome-human-icon-theme | 16:03 |
| JuJuBee | so is muon better than synaptic or apt-get ? or just different? | 16:07 |
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| dpy | hi guys | 16:09 |
| dpy | how do I kill the apper upgrade popups | 16:09 |
| dpy | it pisses me off | 16:09 |
| dpy | it pops up every 5 minutes | 16:09 |
| ntadej | hi everyone | 16:09 |
| GirlyGirl | dpy: Disable its service in startup ... systemsettings | 16:10 |
| GirlyGirl | dpy: But muon is included by default not apper | 16:10 |
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| ntadej | how can I fix sip4 crashes in precise? | 16:10 |
| ntadej | apport, software-properties-kde all segfault | 16:11 |
| GirlyGirl | JuJuBee: apt-get is CLI cannot compare ... I prefer it too synaptic although it needs some work so I guess its different, but its quite good | 16:11 |
| dpy | GirlyGirl: says apper here | 16:11 |
| Daskreech | JuJuBee: Umm different I thnk | 16:12 |
| Daskreech | dpy: Which release are you on? | 16:12 |
| dpy | 11.10 | 16:12 |
| JuJuBee | Thanks, I usually use cli vs gui for apps etc. | 16:13 |
| dpy | I just unticked a system notification: upgrade information | 16:13 |
| dpy | hope that's the one | 16:13 |
| JuJuBee | FYI, needed gnome-icon-theme-full to correct the missing icons. Fixed thanks to you both. Appreciate the help. | 16:13 |
| Daskreech | JuJuBee: Whoohoo! | 16:14 |
| JuJuBee | My sentiments exactly :D | 16:14 |
| dpy | nope, still pops up | 16:15 |
| slug | hi, the bit torrent links for the desktop editions CD go nowhere | 16:16 |
| deithrian | Which option to choose in the additional drivers for the most up to date drivers? The post release or current? | 16:18 |
| ntadej | anyone has an idea why would this occur? | 16:18 |
| ntadej | /build/buildd/sip4-4.13.2/siplib/siplib.c:10938: sipEnumType_alloc: Assertion `( ( ( currentType )->td_flags & 0x0007 ) == 0x0003 )' failed. | 16:18 |
| ntadej | Aborted ( core dumped ) | 16:18 |
| slug | JontheEchidna: hi, the bit torrent links for the desktop editions CD go nowhere | 16:20 |
| tsimpson | slug: which link(s) are you following? | 16:20 |
| slug | tsimpson: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download Desktop CD, 32bit, 64bit (bittorrent) | 16:21 |
| tsimpson | slug: ok, what do you mean by "go nowhere"? what exactly happens? | 16:22 |
| deithrian | he means "not found" | 16:22 |
| slug | tsimpson: 404 | 16:22 |
| deithrian | i said that an hour ago | 16:22 |
| tsimpson | really? "wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent" works for me | 16:23 |
| tsimpson | slug: try again, it may have been fixed in the meantime | 16:24 |
| Daskreech | slug: fixed | 16:26 |
| Daskreech | ntadej: Doing SIP? | 16:26 |
| slug | great, thanks! | 16:26 |
| ntadej | i get this when running software-properties-kde or apport-kde | 16:27 |
| Daskreech | deithrian: also. Fixed | 16:27 |
| Daskreech | hi BluesKaj | 16:27 |
| deithrian | thanks Daskreech | 16:28 |
| ntadej | Daskreech: any ideas what could go wrong during the update? | 16:33 |
| Daskreech | ntadej: this is happeneing during a package update? | 16:34 |
| ntadej | no, I just upgraded to 12.04, and when I want to re-enable PPAs, I can't start software-properties-kde | 16:35 |
| ntadej | apport-kde also crashes | 16:35 |
| Daskreech | ntadej: ah | 16:35 |
| Daskreech | from the command line? | 16:35 |
| ntadej | or from muon | 16:36 |
| Daskreech | From the command line does it give an error? | 16:38 |
| ntadej | yes | 16:38 |
| Daskreech | can you pastebin that? | 16:38 |
| ntadej | yes, just a minute | 16:41 |
| BluesKaj | hey Daskreech | 16:41 |
| Daskreech | hi | 16:41 |
| deithrian | Guys why does Chrome require Kwallet? | 16:44 |
| deithrian | What am i to do with it? | 16:44 |
| deithrian | Will it require a password every time i start Chrome? | 16:44 |
| liudas_ | hello everyone, it's bug or what that i have make tricks via console to be able fully changemouse coursor theme. and it's already in third kubuntu distro | 16:45 |
| liudas_ | reproduce: install dmz theme, slect and half of icons changes | 16:45 |
| BluesKaj | wow kmail crashes are getting worse | 16:46 |
| deithrian | Someone help please :/ | 16:47 |
| Daskreech | deithrian: No you can make the password blank and it wil just autofill in stuff for you after that | 16:47 |
| deithrian | Daskreech: kwallet will remember website passwords? | 16:47 |
| Daskreech | Third Kubuntu distro? | 16:47 |
| Daskreech | deithrian: It will remember whatever you tell it ot remember. Passwords by default though | 16:48 |
| deithrian | jesus christ :O can i uninstall it? | 16:48 |
| deithrian | Will i break anything? | 16:48 |
| GirlyGirl | deithrian: When you login, you get a notification asking if you want to save the password or not, if you ignore the notification it is not saved ... do not unistall kwallet! | 16:50 |
| GirlyGirl | deithrian: I mean login to a site | 16:50 |
| deithrian | GirlyGirl: well i closed Kwallet and restarted Chrome and it popped up again :( | 16:50 |
| deithrian | Did Google did this? :( | 16:51 |
| ntadej | Daskreech: Is there a way to get some more output to debug? | 16:54 |
| Daskreech | deithrian: Sure. You can just disable it as well | 16:55 |
| Daskreech | ntadej: wht output do you have now? | 16:56 |
| Daskreech | it's a python application I thnk :-/ | 16:56 |
| deithrian | Daskreech: untick the "Enable the KDE wallet subsystem" ? | 16:57 |
| Daskreech | deithrian: correct | 16:57 |
| deithrian | Daskreech: thank you very much! | 16:57 |
| Daskreech | deithrian: you are welcome | 16:57 |
| yunosh | great, i'd like to report a kded crash, but for the report wizard to complete (i.e. to login to LP), kded needs to be running :) | 16:58 |
| ntadej___ | Daskreetch: python: /build/buildd/sip4-4.13.2/siplib/siplib.c:10938: sipEnumType_alloc: Assertion `(((currentType)->td_flags & 0x0007) == 0x0003)' failed. | 16:58 |
| ntadej___ | Aborted (core dumped) | 16:58 |
| ntadej___ | that's all I get | 16:59 |
| Daskreech | yunosh: :-) can you save the crash dump? | 16:59 |
| BluesKaj | well, I'm convinced kdepim is too broken to be useful for most users , unless my case is an anomaly , kmail isn especially damaged here ..not a happy user afte being assyred it was very useful and stable , finally ...well not so | 16:59 |
| ntadej___ | how? apport is also not working | 17:00 |
| Daskreech | ntadej___: bleah can you try apt-get purge the package then reinstall ? | 17:00 |
| Daskreech | BluesKaj: what's happeneing? | 17:00 |
| yunosh | Daskreech: if you tell me how. or just the console output when trying to start kded manually? that doesn't look too helpful | 17:00 |
| BluesKaj | just crashes when trying click on mail, or changing folders , and on and | 17:00 |
| BluesKaj | on | 17:00 |
| georgelappies | jipee, it is out! :D | 17:01 |
| Daskreech | BluesKaj: wow. what are you coming from? | 17:01 |
| Daskreech | clean install or migrating data? | 17:01 |
| yunosh | Daskreech: ah, from the wizard. yes, i can save the kcrash file | 17:03 |
| BluesKaj | it started with a clean install about 5 weeks ago, Daskreech , thatwhen I decided to install kmail and it was fine at first , but gradually it's become almost unusable | 17:03 |
| Daskreech | yunosh: In deed :) | 17:04 |
| Daskreech | georgelappies_: :-) | 17:04 |
| Daskreech | BluesKaj: what connection are you using? IMAP or POP3 ? | 17:04 |
| BluesKaj | both | 17:04 |
| Daskreech | on different accounts? | 17:05 |
| BluesKaj | imap for gmail and pop foe my ISP email server | 17:05 |
| Daskreech | BluesKaj: tried disabling one resource to see if it's a major contributing factor? | 17:06 |
| BluesKaj | already tried that Daskreech , no difference | 17:06 |
| Daskreech | BluesKaj: hmm changing folders crashes for you? | 17:08 |
| BluesKaj | yes Daskreech | 17:09 |
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| Daskreech | BluesKaj: OK I'll see if I can help any | 17:10 |
| BluesKaj | `anyone else aetting this error , | 17:10 |
| BluesKaj | GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com precise Release | 17:10 |
| ntadej | Daskreech: purge and reinstall didn't work but I apport-cli is working, I'll se if I can get more information | 17:14 |
| ntadej | Daskreech: http://pastebin.com/DtrweG4Y | 17:17 |
| robertzaccour | what is the kubuntu version of gksu? | 17:20 |
| giantpune | hi, i have just upgraded to 12.04and i have a little issue. in all the previous version of kde and *buntu, i have been able to drag a file/folder from the file manager into the terminal and it will put the path of that file/folder in the terminal. this is not working in 12.04 | 17:20 |
| giantpune | has anybody else tried it? | 17:20 |
| robertzaccour | trying to input a command without having to install gksu. used to gnome sorry | 17:20 |
| BluesKaj | apport upgrade is in the repos , just had it come down the pipe | 17:20 |
| * BluesKaj hopes the new kernel version has some kdepim upgrades | 17:23 | |
| dmatt | robertzaccour: use command kdesudo | 17:24 |
| BluesKaj | bbl | 17:24 |
| robertzaccour | ok thanks | 17:24 |
| georgelappies | cdimage.ubuntu is bogged down :) | 17:28 |
| ntadej | I'll try updating the kernel, but I don't think this will fix my issue | 17:29 |
| slug | is there a simple way of using do-release-upgrade with a different mirror, without the need of stopping it, edit sources.list and re-run it? | 17:34 |
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| robertzaccour | how do you install fonts in kubuntu? | 17:37 |
| ntadej_ | Daskreech: Updating apport and kernel didn't fix the issue, any ideas from pastbin output? | 17:38 |
| robertzaccour | how do you view hiddedn folders? | 17:39 |
| ntadej_ | robertzaccour: Alt+. | 17:40 |
| robertzaccour | ntadej_: ok thanks. I'm trying to find the fonts folder not seeing it | 17:41 |
| robertzaccour | I see .fontconfig but I don't think thats it | 17:41 |
| ntadej_ | You can install fonts from System settings | 17:42 |
| robertzaccour | ntadej_: how? | 17:42 |
| robertzaccour | oh I found it thanks | 17:43 |
| ntadej_ | Go to System settings and you can find fonts settings in the system category | 17:43 |
| robertzaccour | better than the gnome way imo | 17:45 |
| nurupo | http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3448/41994876.png | 17:50 |
| nurupo | what I'm doing wrong? | 17:50 |
| qbit | just checking, I guess in prep for upgrade to 12.04 I should probably turn of the backports PPA that I enable to get KDE 4.8.2? | 18:02 |
| qbit | or does it even matter.... | 18:02 |
| tsimpson | qbit: the update process should disable all the non-default sources by default | 18:08 |
| qbit | tsimpson: thanks - didn't know that | 18:08 |
| cr1tt0 | C'è nessuno? | 18:15 |
| h2p | Has anyone here ever done stuff with VOIP? I am a computer science student looking for an internship, and got contacted by a company that says they are a VOIP company that makes configurations for phones, uses spreadsheets and visio to make designs, and talks to customers sets up phone systems forthem. Is this a good internship for a CS student or is it a waste of time? | 18:18 |
| onet | Hi, how to upgrade 12.04 beta? | 18:20 |
| qbit | onet: 12.04 is released today - see http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release | 18:22 |
| qbit | there are links to release notes and upgrade instructions | 18:22 |
| onet | Yea, i know. I have installed beta2 about 4-5 days ago... should i do something more like apt-get update and upgrade? | 18:22 |
| onet | Ok, will read it | 18:23 |
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| qbit | onet: I'm in RTFM mode right now myself :-) | 18:23 |
| tsimpson | !final | onet | 18:23 |
| ubottu | onet: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Precise and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 12.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. | 18:23 |
| BluesKaj | h2p, why are you asking here ,we aren't a head hunter advice resource ...you'll have to | 18:23 |
| BluesKaj | ask elsewhaere | 18:24 |
| tsimpson | they did, in several channels in fact | 18:24 |
| onet | ubottu: nothink installed after this command | 18:24 |
| ubottu | onet: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 18:24 |
| onet | oh :D | 18:24 |
| tsimpson | onet: then you are up to date | 18:24 |
| onet | Im not sure this... | 18:25 |
| onet | I have 3.2.0-23-generic, should be 3.3** ? | 18:25 |
| tsimpson | !info linux-image-generic | 18:25 |
| ubottu | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.0.23.25 (precise), package size 2 kB, installed size 31 kB | 18:25 |
| tsimpson | that's what's in precise right now | 18:26 |
| BluesKaj | `kdepim is broken ...anyone else having problems ...seems to me they must frustingly difficult to fix from the reaction I'm getting about it ... like no response | 18:26 |
| onet | So, there was no changes from beta2? | 18:27 |
| onet | hm | 18:27 |
| tsimpson | sure there were, beta2 was release a while ago, many changes since then | 18:27 |
| BluesKaj | tsimpson, only a few changes since apr22 , one kernel upgrade | 18:28 |
| qbit | BluesKaj: still on 11.10 here and my kdepim seems to work OK. First attempt way back when in the move from kmail to kmail2 the migrate tool botched everything | 18:29 |
| qbit | BluesKaj: so the next attempt I skipped trying to use the migrate tool and just set it all up from scratch manually, and it has been relatively OK ever since | 18:30 |
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| tsimpson | BluesKaj: beta2 was released in march | 18:31 |
| qbit | BluesKaj: I also never had anything to do with the sqlite akonadi backend (e.g. switching back and forth), but rather was on the mysql backend the entire time | 18:31 |
| tsimpson | for reference: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-April/thread.html | 18:31 |
| Husar | Where can i find sorces.list from 12.04? | 18:31 |
| Husar | Maybe my sorces ar not ready sync with hub | 18:32 |
| qbit | BluesKaj: very soon I will try the update to 12.04 and I will see if my luck holds wrt kdepim | 18:33 |
| alesan | hi | 18:33 |
| tsimpson | Husar: see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list and replace with "precise" where appropriate | 18:33 |
| alesan | whre did muon go? how can I install packages???? | 18:33 |
| alesan | I just did the upgrade and muon disappeared!!!!! | 18:33 |
| BluesKaj | qbit, I did a clean install about 5 weeks ago and installed kmail . At first it worked well , no probs . but gradually after updates/upgrades since it started crashing , now i can barely open an email without it segfaulting | 18:33 |
| Husar | ok | 18:33 |
| alesan | I want to install some packages, what is the GUI application to do so? where is muon or kpackagekit??? | 18:34 |
| BluesKaj | ok BBL ...errands | 18:34 |
| georgelappies | this is one slick fast and stable release :) | 18:43 |
| BluesKaj | georgelappies, yeah , in some installs it is | 18:44 |
| qbit | I bet the mirrors are getting hammered | 18:44 |
| JMichaelX | anyone know what to do about the 32-bit lib being held back? can that just be removed? | 18:46 |
| tsimpson | JMichaelX: which library? | 19:02 |
| lordievader | Good evening | 19:04 |
| JMichaelX | tsimpson: ia32-libs | 19:05 |
| tsimpson | JMichaelX: can you pastebin the exact error? | 19:06 |
| serge_ | hello i'am recently installed kubuntu 12.04 an i have no sound while see movie on youtube | 19:07 |
| JMichaelX | tsimpson: all that is said is that ia32-libs is being held back | 19:10 |
| georgelappies | serge_ did you install the restricted extra plugins? | 19:10 |
| serge_ | georgelappies yes | 19:10 |
| serge_ | kubuntu-restricted-extras installed | 19:11 |
| serge_ | <georgelappies i have no sound only in flash | 19:11 |
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| georgelappies | serge: firefox | chrome | reqonk ? | 19:14 |
| BluesKaj | serge_, do you have pulseaudio installed | 19:14 |
| serge_ | georgelappies firefox and reqonk | 19:15 |
| serge_ | BluesKaj yes pulseaudio installed and i've got sound in amarok | 19:15 |
| BluesKaj | serge_, have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ? | 19:18 |
| serge_ | BluesKaj yes | 19:18 |
| georgelappies | serge_ is all flash vids without sound? | 19:20 |
| serge_ | georgelappies all video in internet | 19:20 |
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| BluesKaj | serge_, look in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , make sure libflashplayer.so listed there ..most browsers are set to look in that file for flashplayer sound | 19:22 |
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| serge_ | BluesKaj i have flashplugin-alternative.so | 19:23 |
| BluesKaj | serge_, do you use a pci soundcard or onboard ? | 19:24 |
| serge_ | BluesKaj yes | 19:24 |
| lordievader | Anyone else having problems with clementine? | 19:28 |
| BluesKaj | serge_, open a terminal , locate libflashplayer.so | 19:29 |
| serge_ | /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so | 19:30 |
| BluesKaj | ok serge_ cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so /usrlib/mozilla/plugins | 19:32 |
| BluesKaj | correction : cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins | 19:33 |
| serge_ | BluesKaj ok but flash still no have sound( | 19:34 |
| asfyxia | lordievader, what kind of problems do you have with clementine? | 19:35 |
| lordievader | asfyxia, Global hotkeys that do not work | 19:35 |
| asfyxia | Hmm, I don't use that, I guess. Because I'm not sure I know what a global hotkey is... | 19:37 |
| asfyxia | You mean the 'super' key with another, for a shortcut? | 19:38 |
| lordievader | asfyxia, for example I have media keys on my keyboard, and I want to be able to where ever I am be able to control my media player. | 19:38 |
| lordievader | asfyxia, yes, but than global | 19:38 |
| BluesKaj | serge_, restart your browser | 19:39 |
| asfyxia | Ok, I understand. But still I don't have such a configuration, so I'm not experiencing it... Maybe someone else | 19:39 |
| lordievader | The global hotkeys of clementine do work in ubuntu 12.04 though... | 19:40 |
| serge_ | BluesKaj nothing working | 19:40 |
| serge_ | BluesKaj i have alsa plugin [firefox] | 19:40 |
| BluesKaj | ok serge_ make sure libflashplyer.si is listed in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins | 19:41 |
| BluesKaj | .so | 19:41 |
| pider_ | cannot upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04, no new realease found, help! | 19:43 |
| serge_ | BluesKaj yes i have libflashplyer.so | 19:43 |
| BluesKaj | serge_, maybe a reboot..not sure why it'ws not working | 19:44 |
| serge_ | BluesKaj ok thanks | 19:45 |
| mr-rich | anyone upgrade yet? | 19:46 |
| lordievader | mr-rich, I did, fresh install | 19:47 |
| mr-rich | lordievader: over an 11.10 install? | 19:47 |
| mr-rich | I want to upgrade, not clean install ... | 19:47 |
| lordievader | mr-rich, indeed, took an daily-build. I was impatient. | 19:47 |
| lordievader | mr-rich, I upgraded another box too, from 11.04 to 11.10 to 12.04 (but that is a ubuntu box) | 19:48 |
| mr-rich | to much lose on this computer to do a clean install .... | 19:48 |
| georgelappies | does LTS release mean that all software is kept at this version number forever? Like kde will always only be 4.8.2 in this LTS? | 19:48 |
| lordievader | georgelappies, No it means the support is longer than on normal versions, now 5 years I believe. | 19:49 |
| tsimpson | georgelappies: no, it means the packages will receive security updates and bug fixes much longer than in the normal releases | 19:49 |
| tsimpson | 3 years on the desktop, 5 years on the server | 19:50 |
| lordievader | Ah oke, thx tsimpson | 19:50 |
| georgelappies | ok cool, so the packages will be updated as well to latest versions of them | 19:50 |
| tsimpson | not "the latest version", just bug-fixes and security updates. no new features | 19:51 |
| georgelappies | tsimpson: so kde will stay 4.8.2? and only bugs fixed? | 19:52 |
| georgelappies | whats the difference between new feature and new version of software? | 19:53 |
| tsimpson | it will stay 4.8.x, the last number is a bug-fix release | 19:53 |
| georgelappies | tsimpson: ok, I see thanks :) | 19:53 |
| georgelappies | tsimpson: that then applies to firefox and all the others as well | 19:54 |
| tsimpson | yes, everything in main or restricted (not universe or multiverse) | 19:55 |
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| kurumin_ | oi | 20:05 |
| kurumin_ | ola | 20:05 |
| darthanubis | anyone with an acer aspire with elantech pad? | 20:06 |
| lordievader | kurumin_, hey | 20:06 |
| darthanubis | close lid to sleep,reopen to find pointer no longer works | 20:06 |
| kurumin_ | hey,speeking portugues | 20:06 |
| tsimpson | !pt | kurumin_ | 20:07 |
| ubottu | kurumin_: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado. | 20:07 |
| lln | tsimpson: it's now 5 years for the Kubuntu desktop. | 20:08 |
| lordievader | So I was right after all :P | 20:09 |
| drostie | contributions to the torrent scene in dB(ratio) terms: +11.4 dB for kubuntu-active, +12.1 dB for desktop-amd64, and +13.7dB for desktop-i386. :D | 20:09 |
| Ezim | happy kubuntu 12.04 day all of you :). | 20:18 |
| lordievader | Ezim, same to you :) | 20:18 |
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| Ezim | lordievader, running :) 11.10. but with kubuntu-backports. :) | 20:19 |
| lordievader | Ezim, no plans on upgrading? | 20:19 |
| Ezim | lordievader, when I have time I will upgrade. | 20:20 |
| Ezim | I already run kde 4.8.2 :) | 20:20 |
| lordievader | Ezim, there is indeed not much difference between 11.10 with backports and 12.04. | 20:21 |
| Ezim | lordievader, :) exactly. only kernel and other goddies. | 20:21 |
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| mr-rich | I think I'll wait for the point release ... | 20:45 |
| phoenix_firebrd | 12.04 released? | 20:50 |
| yofel | yes | 20:51 |
| phoenix_firebrd | yofel: nice | 20:51 |
| phoenix_firebrd | yofel: how to upgrade from 12.04 beta 2 to final | 20:51 |
| yofel | !final | phoenix_firebrd | 20:52 |
| ubottu | phoenix_firebrd: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Precise and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 12.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. | 20:52 |
| Farsaj | i have problem with flash no sound after fresh install 12.04/ can you help me? | 20:52 |
| phoenix_firebrd | yofel: so the beta ppas will be disabled right? | 20:52 |
| yofel | phoenix_firebrd: which ones? by default there shouldn't be any enabled. And just updating to final won't disable anything | 20:53 |
| phoenix_firebrd | yofel: checked it, you are right, everything is in defaults. going to update :) | 20:56 |
| === pangolin is now known as IdleOne | ||
| cubbybear | Hi all I did a upgrade from 11.10 to 12.4 this morning and I have found that kmail is broken. The password box is grayed out in the settings module and I am unable to entry them so I am unable to send or recieve mail. Can some one help. Thanks | 21:13 |
| datruth | How can I destroy the kde wallet service? everytime I boot up it comes up in 12.04 kubuntu? | 21:14 |
| slug | cubbybear: see if there's a window that's being obscured, kwallet maybe | 21:16 |
| datruth | I've shrunk my hard-drive and created a new partition how do I add it to linux? | 21:17 |
| cubbybear | slug: No kwallet window. This is frustrating as I KDE 4.8.2 working in 11.10. | 21:18 |
| slug | cubbybear: i'm upgrading a machine from 11.10 (with kde 4.8.2), let's see when it's done if i get the same problem | 21:19 |
| cubbybear | slug: I even tried deleting a Incomeing pop server and adding it back, but the password box was grayed out. | 21:21 |
| PooshhMao | hi | 21:30 |
| PooshhMao | i'm having problems getting 12.04 installed on an Asus 1215n EEE pc netbook | 21:30 |
| PooshhMao | it's a peculiar problem | 21:30 |
| PooshhMao | the install starts, and gradually gets very slow | 21:31 |
| PooshhMao | the fan is making a lot of noise and eventually the laptop powers down because of overheating problem | 21:31 |
| PooshhMao | it had the same problem with 11.04, but not with 11.10 | 21:32 |
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| === list is now known as JMichael|work | ||
| JMichael|work | google's dl.google.com repo seems largely dead | 21:48 |
| FloridaGuy | Whats the difference between kubuntu-desktop & kubuntu-netbook? | 22:01 |
| tsimpson | FloridaGuy: nothing, the netbook edition was a separate package in lucid, but it's now incorporated into normal Kubuntu desktop. so that package is there just as a transitional package that depends on kubuntu-desktop | 22:04 |
| FloridaGuy | ok | 22:05 |
| nurupo | installed ubuntu dvd desktop adm64 12.04 | 22:08 |
| === dante_ is now known as super8 | ||
| nurupo | upgraded | 22:08 |
| nurupo | and get this http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3448/41994876.png | 22:08 |
| nurupo | *kubuntu | 22:08 |
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| JMichael|work | i am uncertain about what to do about ia32-libs. google-earth depends on that package. has that been replaced by ia32-libs-multiarch? | 22:11 |
| === lindalou is now known as westmi | ||
| JMichael|work | ok, i just read in the forums that ia32-libs is just broken for now. | 22:19 |
| JMichael|work | it will remain so, until all of its dependencies have multiarch versions... bummer | 22:19 |
| JMichael|work | i just reinstalled ia32-libs from oneiric. sucks to do it that way, but it works. | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | hey all. can i use muon or whatever to change sources? i tried to do this, and it's still the default sources... | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | i go to the "Download from" drop down, currently has the 'main server'. i pick 'other...' and then whether i select best server or pick one at random, after hitting OK download from still says "main server" | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | hello? anyone know how to change software sources in kubuntu? | 23:13 |
| kubuntu | Hello everyone, I just did a fresh install of kubuntu 12.04 on my laptop, but I'm having one problem with the capture device, my headphone mic works just fine but my built in mic doesn't seem to show up in the capture devices of the sound settings, is there a fix for this? | 23:19 |
| GH0 | Is 12.04 officially released for Kubuntu yet? If so, how would I go about upgrading? I assume sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? | 23:20 |
| kubuntu | GH0 Yes it's been released, but I'm not sure about the upgrade command, but that sounds about right | 23:22 |
| Riddell | GH0: yes, read the upgrade instructions, no don't use dist-upgrade | 23:22 |
| Riddell | arrrghhh: Muon -> Settings -> Configure Software Sources | 23:23 |
| === kubuntu is now known as clashingwave | ||
| Riddell | GH0: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu | 23:23 |
| arrrghhh | Riddell, yes that's what i'm doing. but it's not working -_- | 23:23 |
| arrrghhh | Riddell, not sure if you read what i posted, but i go there, make my selection, and it always goes back to "Main Server" | 23:26 |
| Riddell | arrrghhh: dunno I'm afraid, maybe it's detecting whatever mirror you are selecting isn't working or up to date | 23:29 |
| Riddell | or maybe it's a bug, I hear they're not unknown | 23:29 |
| arrrghhh | the main server just seems slammed | 23:29 |
| arrrghhh | was hoping to switch to something different | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | i've done this tons of times, never had an issue... i guess manually editing sources.list is my next step :/ | 23:30 |
| Riddell | yep | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | well then, that blows. | 23:32 |
| tbruff13 | I need some help does anyone know a good guide for reclaiming space on my machine that was taken up by other installations of Kubuntu 12.04 from now on I only need one | 23:37 |
| tbruff13 | I would use gparted but I was wondering if there is a built in utility | 23:37 |
| clashingwave | Is anyone else having a problem with the internal mic on hda1200 on 12.04? if you have a fix please let me know >< | 23:37 |
| xixor | hi | 23:38 |
| Riddell | tbruff13: partitionmanager is the usual one for kubuntu | 23:38 |
| tbruff13 | Riddell, okay thanks, and I am also working on that blog as we speak | 23:39 |
| tbruff13 | also has anyone written a guide on programs that people use in Gnome and their KDE counterparts that is actually up to date I had issues when i switched from the mess that is gnome 3 | 23:39 |
| xixor | yo, so, I am installing 12.04-beta2 or something like that, it won't be a problem to dist-upgrade after I install the beta, right? | 23:40 |
| arrrghhh | xixor, shouldn't be. | 23:40 |
| bazhang | !final | xixor | 23:42 |
| ubottu | xixor: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Precise and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 12.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | FANCY | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | oops. fancy. | 23:42 |
| tbruff13 | Riddell, are external repositories automagiclly updated to precise when the dist upgrade happens or do we have to search and enter those custom repos | 23:44 |
| Riddell | tbruff13: actually I think they're disabled | 23:45 |
| tbruff13 | Riddell, yeah i know but if i just re enable them will they be for precise now or will i have to go out and update them | 23:45 |
| xixor | ok, thanks | 23:47 |
| Riddell | tbruff13: that I'm not sure of | 23:48 |
| tbruff13 | ok | 23:48 |
| tbruff13 | also has anyone written a guide when switching to KDE from Gnome because I had issues when I was first starting out this year, and I would like to work on one if that is welcome | 23:48 |
| Riddell | tbruff13: it would be an idea but you'd get problems because it's hard to define what is Gnome often (e.g. firefox or unity are often thought of as gnome but they're not) | 23:53 |
| tbruff13 | Riddell, I see your point, but what I mean is things like gparted an things that are gnome specific or come with gnome for example I was used to running gedit now i run kate | 23:55 |
| Riddell | tbruff13: the other point I'd make is that it's not always a good idea to divide the world into the gnome app and the kde app, it discourages gnome desktop users from using kde apps even when they fill a need that the gnome one misses | 23:56 |
| Riddell | but other than that, sure, go ahead :) | 23:56 |
| arrrghhh | and visa-versa. the apps should run on either DE, but we all know that doesn't always work out like it shoud... | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | should* | 23:57 |
| Riddell | aye | 23:57 |
| tbruff13 | Riddell, where the fourms I would also like to write a guide for teachers as a part of my senior project when switching from windows to kde | 23:57 |
| tbruff13 | Riddell, i used KDE apps in gnome but when i first started using kde I was so used to my gnome apps i just ignored my kde apps until my system was Kubuntu with basiclly a gnome de installed as well | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | which you *should* be able to do. | 23:59 |
| Riddell | it's why KDE is no longer a desktop, the desktop is Plasma and it's made by KDE (a community of lovely people) | 23:59 |
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