[07:07] <md_5> No release party for melbourne :( so sad
[07:09]  * benonsoftware would've set one up if he had the time
[07:11] <md_5> where about are you benonsoftware ?
[07:11] <benonsoftware> md_5: Melbourne
[07:12] <md_5> East/west/north/south
[07:12] <md_5> ;s
[07:12] <benonsoftware> East :P
[07:12] <md_5> same ;s
[07:29] <head_victim> md_5: still time to organise one :)
[07:29] <head_victim> Daniel set one up just today
[07:29] <md_5> heh. no
[07:29] <md_5> ;p
[07:30] <head_victim> Better yet, come up to Brisbane to share ours :D
[07:30] <md_5> brisbane gets all the ubuntu fun.
[07:31] <head_victim> We're lucky to have multiple people to share the organising duties.
[07:32] <head_victim> Cary, James, Chris, myself and others I've probably forgotten names of (sorry!) all pitching in makes them all so easy.
[08:08] <head_victim> Seems all the cool kids are already over in #ubuntu-release-party
[08:10] <head_victim> It is kinda interesting to see the number of Aussies in there that perhaps don't even know we're here
[08:11] <ikt> lol
[08:11] <benonsoftware> head_victim: I know, I found a coupple Aussies in #ubuntu-offtopic yesterday
[08:11] <ikt> that's the same problem I had with ubuntu forums
[08:11] <ikt> so many aussies, tried to herd them towards us :(
[08:11] <head_victim> ikt: yeah pretty much, we need towork on ways to become more obvious.
[08:11] <head_victim> benonsoftware: I hope you pointed them here subtly :)
[08:12] <benonsoftware> head_victim: No, I might next time :P
[08:12] <head_victim> Hah, about as subtle as a brick to the face ;)
[08:12] <benonsoftware> lol
[08:12] <ikt> that's how we do things in straylia
[08:12] <benonsoftware> So much lag :/
[08:13] <ikt> i'm hoping it's released in the next hour or so :s
[08:13] <ikt> download from the data centre next to me
[08:13] <ikt> put it onto the data centre in france and watch the upload speeds soar
[08:13] <benonsoftware> I have to wait to download it :(
[08:13] <head_victim> ikt: hah good luck ;)
[08:13] <ikt> lol
[08:13] <head_victim> I haven't set up my repo since the installfest :/
[08:14] <ikt> benonsoftware, feel your pain, deal with customers on 3g all the time :(
[08:14] <head_victim> I can see it's going to be a hundred or two gb to update it :/
[08:14]  * benonsoftware has to wait for APC to release it on their cover DVD
[08:14] <sagaci> any sooper secret iso links yet?
[08:15] <sagaci> 8:15 UTC time
[08:15] <Befficient> ikt mind I ask where you work?
[08:16] <benonsoftware> Err, I am now hating the myschools website
[08:16] <head_victim> benonsoftware: only now?
[08:16] <head_victim> sagaci: ready to hit up aarnet?
[08:16] <sagaci> yeah, just going to get the desktop and server of ubuntu and lu and ku
[08:16] <benonsoftware> head_victim: What? Me only hating the myschools website now?
[08:17] <sagaci> 64-bits worth
[08:17] <head_victim> sagaci: they do Lu on aarnet now?
[08:17] <sagaci> no
[08:17] <head_victim> benonsoftware: yeah, I thought most people disliked it from the start.
[08:17] <sagaci> but I have enough quota
[08:17] <head_victim> I can see jellyware getting some requests lined up over the next couple of days.
[08:17] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Yeah, this is the 2nd time I've used it, first time was when it was released
[08:18] <ikt> Befficient, internode
[08:18] <Befficient> ikt, Thought so
[08:18] <Befficient> I guessed either ii or Node.
[08:18] <Befficient> Well, same thing now lol
[08:18] <ikt> lol :(
[08:18] <sagaci> official store cd's preorder goes out on the 7th MAY
[08:19] <ikt> think I might do overtime tonight
[08:19] <sagaci> May*
[08:19] <Befficient> Yah ikt I feel the pain
[08:19]  * benonsoftware loves WeeChat
[08:19] <Befficient> I know certain people say that Node will stay the same, but I know for a fact they won't
[08:19] <head_victim> sagaci: the loco has already got it's order in :) Just hope we find ways of distributing them well
[08:19] <sagaci> I bought a pack of 20 along with keyring, and two shirts
[08:19] <Befficient> Node will change
[08:19] <Befficient> It's the way iiNet works
[08:20] <Befficient> Always has been
[08:20] <sagaci> it's my way of spreading, just "donating" $20 and getting the proper thing
[08:20] <sagaci> "proper" thing being a cardboard CD case
[08:20] <Befficient> Everyone I know who works / worked at at WestNet etc, they all hate iiNet.
[08:20]  * benonsoftware has rang up Internode a couple times
[08:20] <Befficient> Their systems etc
[08:20] <benonsoftware> I think it's the only ISP that is cheap
[08:21] <sagaci> internode isn't cheap !
[08:21] <head_victim> sagaci: yep, everytime I felt like donating I did a store order. Their bags are pretty good
[08:21] <sagaci> not nowadays
[08:21] <Befficient> sagaci, Internode is good
[08:21] <sagaci> true
[08:21] <Befficient> The network is excellent
[08:21] <Befficient> iinet's isn't
[08:21] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Cheap compared to what I pay for
[08:21] <sagaci> and their stance on filtering is awesome
[08:22] <Befficient> The problem with Node now is that iiNet will touch and destroy what Internode was
[08:22] <Befficient> Whether now or later
[08:23] <Befficient> Just look at WestNet :)
[08:23] <Befficient> And the others
[08:24] <ikt> Befficient, depends, has been saying since day 1 that we won't, he really wants the two to stay separate, as iinet is targetting the general population, whereas node are trying to target the geekier side of things
[08:24]  * head_victim is a Telstra fanboy
[08:24] <ikt> simon*
[08:24] <ikt> you should be ashamed head_victim !
[08:25] <head_victim> Meh, I can't get what I'm on anywhere else and it's been good to me so why not I say :)
[08:25]  * benonsoftware hits head_victim
[08:25] <Befficient> ikt, Well... iiNet has done it before, where the ISP they aquired "wouldn't change" etc, and later on they are just part of ii now
[08:25] <Befficient> However....
[08:26] <Befficient> I do have faith in Mr Hackett.
[08:26] <Befficient> Mr ii, however.....
[08:27] <Befficient> Mr ii is very cunning
[08:27] <ikt> he is
[08:27] <ikt> also a funny bloke
[08:27] <sagaci> he's uses macs
[08:28] <ikt> compared westnet to internode
[08:28] <sagaci> wow, I screwed that
[08:28] <ikt> average westnet customer is mid40's
[08:28] <ikt> lives in the sticks
[08:28] <Befficient> One of the big things with ii that I and others have is that their pipes etc, aren't really that good.
[08:28] <Befficient> Node's are
[08:28] <Befficient> ii's aren't, yet ii charges a lot for an ISP that isn't that good
[08:29] <chu> Hey all.
[08:29] <benonsoftware> head_victim: The other Aussie 
[08:29] <head_victim> Evening chu
[08:29] <Befficient> Half the problem the WestNet guys have is that ii got Westnet to use all of ii's routing and systems.... and ahh.... well they aren't really good
[08:29] <chu> elky: Still in #ubuntu-au! You *must*, in some sense, still consider yourself an Aussie! <3
[08:30] <Befficient> Hi chu
[08:30] <chu> Hey Befficient, head_victim
[08:31] <head_victim> chu: once an Aussie, always an Aussie 
[08:31] <chu> Where are we all located? What is the relationship to ubuntu? Apart from elky/benonsoftware, not sure I have ever spoken to some of you guys.
[08:31] <chu> Good to see a few active Aussies though.
[08:31]  * head_victim is in Brisbane
[08:31] <benonsoftware> :)
[08:32] <chu> Nice, Brisbane :)
[08:32]  * benonsoftware feels weired searching song lyrics up :P
[08:32] <Befficient> So... any guess's on when LTS will release?
[08:32] <head_victim> Befficient: I reckon sometime in the next 24 hours would be about right
[08:32] <Befficient> lol
[08:32] <chu> I thought it would be today?
[08:32] <chu> I'm so far out of the loop it's not funny.
[08:32] <Befficient> Well it's only just after 9:30am UTC
[08:33] <Befficient> Mu guess is..... 3PM?
[08:33] <Befficient> UTC
[08:33] <Befficient> *UCT
[08:33] <head_victim> Trying so hard not to troll the release-party channel
[08:33] <chu> Haha
[08:33] <chu> I should join #ubuntu-release-party!
[08:33] <Befficient> Ahh they arne't that bad
[08:34] <benonsoftware> +1
[08:35] <sagaci> should be in the early hours of our friday morning
[08:36] <chu> 6 hours+?
[08:36] <chu> (as a lower bound)
[08:36] <sagaci> well 10.10 was "released" at 10:10 UTC
[08:37] <chu> Good point.
[08:37] <head_victim> Ok, I'm sick as a dog and need to be awake at 3am. I'll see some of you then, otherwise I'll catch you all around
[08:37] <chu> 12:04 UTC
[08:37] <head_victim> Make sure you get to your local release party if there is one.
[08:37] <benonsoftware> See ya head_victim 
[08:37] <chu> I don't think we have release parties here.
[08:37] <benonsoftware> and get better!
[08:37] <chu> But, see you later.
[08:38] <sagaci> wonder how the Adelaide release party is goin
[08:38] <head_victim> chu: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au for all the details of upcoming events
[09:07] <ikt> thinking about what to do after 12.04 is released
[09:07] <ikt> already running it on a bunch of computers
[09:08] <sagaci> ikt: reinstall?
[09:14] <ikt> hah
[09:26] <ikt> https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntu
[09:31] <ikt> mere hours away??
[09:32] <chu> After 12.04 comes out, it's all about installing a minimal base, setting up stumpwm, emacs and conkeror.
[09:40] <ikt> emac!
[09:41] <ikt> how do you use it, it's so horrible
[09:41]  * ikt starts vi vs emacs war
[09:42] <sagaci> e-mac
[09:43] <chu> ikt: How is it horrible? :x
[09:44] <benonsoftware> lol
[09:44] <sagaci> i prefer vi
[09:44] <sagaci> vim
[09:45] <ikt> vim ftw
[09:45] <ikt> see it even rhymes
[09:45] <benonsoftware> +1
[09:46] <sagaci> ikt, must be good
[09:58] <sagaci> looks to be out
[10:09] <ikt> can't get torrent
[10:09] <ikt> not authorised error
[10:09] <ikt> Tracker: [Failure reason \"Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.\"]
[10:09] <sagaci> ikt, just wget it
[10:10] <ikt> trying to set an upload record though
[10:11] <sagaci> ahhh, release day... no updates available
[10:21]  * md_5 slaps aarnet
[10:23] <sagaci> hmmm, torrent file was legit
[10:39] <sagaci> md_5 aarnet slaps you back
[10:39] <md_5> awe
[10:39] <md_5> They finally fixed the debian sid mirror though
[10:39] <md_5> never replied to my email about it weeks back :(
[10:55] <sagaci> evening jaddi27 
[10:56] <jaddi27> hi sagaci
[10:56] <jaddi27> not too long now until precise becomes 12.04
[10:58] <sagaci> jaddi27, it's out
[10:58] <sagaci> I just rebooted into a clean install on my laptop
[10:58] <jaddi27> really? the ubuntu website doesn't show it as out
[10:58] <sagaci> of course it says that :P
[10:58] <jaddi27> i will check aarnet
[10:59] <sagaci> it's out there
[10:59] <jaddi27> yep
[10:59] <jaddi27> so, is 64bit still fine to use?
[11:00] <jaddi27> haven't had any problems with 11.10 64bit, apart from google dart (which is not built for 64bit)
[11:02] <jaddi27> sagaci, do you have a separate home partition to the rest of the install? If so (or if you know about it), is it fine to just wipe the 11.10 on the root partition and replace it with 12.04, keeping all the /home data?
[11:03] <jaddi27> i think it should be, but this is the first time i have upgraded with a separate /home
[11:03] <jaddi27> or would it be fine to just update the current install?
[11:04] <sagaci> you can do it with a separate /home
[11:06] <jaddi27> ok
[11:06] <jaddi27> i presume clean install is better than upgrade?
[11:07] <md_5> yes
[11:08] <jaddi27> md_5, have you updated yet?
[11:08] <md_5> its not on aarnet
[11:08] <md_5> jaddi27 I will tomorrow, using it on my new laptop for the 1st time
[11:08] <md_5> yes it is actually (silly cache)
[11:08] <jaddi27> that sounds good. what laptop is it?
[11:08] <md_5> jaddi27 sagaci     I am waiting for later because there have been re seeds of the imgaes in the past
[11:08] <md_5> jaddi27   xps15z
[11:09] <md_5> I need to disable apic to make it boot (on beta 2 at least)
[11:09] <Befficient> So much Aussie hate :(
[11:09] <md_5> 11.10 required disabling acpi which rendered it unusuable
[11:10] <jaddi27> md_5, should be a good laptop
[11:10] <Befficient> I dislike smearing Ubuntu's good name in hatrid
[11:10] <md_5> jaddi27 yeah I have had it for 5 months already
[11:10] <md_5> just not ubuntu
[11:11] <Befficient> So.... multiarch on Ubuntu is complete?
[11:11] <Befficient> Any like... 64bit packages that are missing vs 32bit?
[11:12] <md_5> yep
[11:12] <md_5> Befficient mind you some asm programs are missing
[11:14] <Befficient> hmmm
[11:14] <Befficient> I generally use 64bit now for all OS
[11:15] <Befficient> Pathscale won't even work on 32bit
[11:15] <Befficient> That I know of
[11:15] <Befficient> <3 that compiler
[11:15] <Befficient> EkoPath
[11:15] <Befficient>  ~40% ++ increase in application performance, simply by using Ekopath
[11:16] <Befficient> My next thing is to try to get WINE compiled using Ekopath :)
[11:16] <md_5> Starting at $1795
[11:17] <md_5> maybe I should add a freenode bnc, I like you guys.
[11:17] <Befficient> Ahh he left :(
[11:18] <Befficient> Well... for what it's worth, Ekopath is now free
[11:18] <Befficient> under GPL
[11:18] <Befficient> At least the nightly is anyway
[11:19] <Befficient> Don't mean to spam, but I'll just leave this link here in case anyone else is interested in Ekopath compiler suite: http://www.pathscale.com/ekopath4-open-source-announcement
[11:26] <Befficient> Umm... I don't want to sound like an idiot, but can someone please explain what "Ubuntu Juju" is? I've read the Ubuntu Juju info page but ?????
[11:47] <jaddi27> d1b, in here
[11:48] <sagaci> it's pretty hectic until the people start downloading
[11:49] <moldor> hey gang - when the final release of 12.04 appears, what';s the best way of updating (I.m running RC2) - apt-get ??
[11:50] <jaddi27> i would have thought for a pre-release version, i would do a clean install
[11:50] <jaddi27> but sagaci might know better
[11:51] <sagaci> it's not officially out but the correct isos are up, if that makes sense
[11:51] <moldor> yeah, trying to avoid that but I guess that makes sense to do a wipe and install.
[11:51] <moldor> sagaci Yes, it does
[11:52] <sagaci> well depends, if you're going to keep the install for years to come a reinstall now is worth your time
[11:52] <moldor> On this laptop I'm hoping to - my daughter has stolen my MBP, and the work lappy is running *shudder* XP !!!
[11:53] <sagaci> XP? seriously?
[11:53] <sagaci> ubuntu is surely a needed upgrade
[11:54] <sagaci> lubuntu is chugging away at 20kB/s download
[11:54] <moldor> I wish... It's a Bank though... Wouldn't be too popular... And I'm running lubuntu too.. Quite snappy
[11:55] <sagaci> I don't like lubuntu for much other than netbooks
[11:55] <moldor> Seems OK on this HP - although I have an ASUS 1000HE that I might put it on too
[11:55] <sagaci> putting it on a desktop is like putting a single couch in a mansion
[11:56] <Millenaire> I bet they have the release anouncement all type up ready to go, ISO's all ready, mirrors are fully synced; but are sitting on the release, watching these chats, trolling us for the lol's
[11:56] <Millenaire> ;)
[11:56] <sagaci> well it's 11:56 UTC
[11:56] <sagaci> so technically ~8mins away
[11:56] <moldor> Wouldn't do it on a desktop - Wonder if I could shoehorn it onto a Cobalt Qube ??
[11:57] <sagaci> s/technically/guesstimatically
[11:57] <Millenaire> In other news, I see Torchlight 2 is now available for pre-order on Steam
[11:58] <moldor> Must take a look... Would look good on the 55"... er, MONITOR...:-)
[11:59] <sagaci> ~4 mins
[12:00] <moldor> sagaci It's up now I think
[12:00] <Millenaire> Nope
[12:00] <Millenaire> No announce, anyway
[12:00] <sagaci> ubuntu.com is up
[12:01] <moldor> This Ubuntu for Android... A product yet or just a concept ?
[12:01] <sagaci> concept
[12:02] <moldor> Damn, I would so sacrifice an Android phone for that - or better still, my iPhone !!
[12:02] <Millenaire> My Samsung Galaxy S II is very... laggy
[12:02] <Millenaire> And slow
[12:02] <Millenaire> :(
[12:03] <Millenaire> The Samsung Wave was better
[12:03] <sagaci> I like the concept but would like to see it refined
[12:03] <moldor> Specs on the S III look nice... I'm waiting for either that or the Galaxy Note
[12:03] <Millenaire> Galaxy Note = win
[12:03] <sagaci> the old show-stopper bug
[12:03] <Millenaire> Cept Internetz on my S II died :(
[12:03] <moldor> Agreed - the UI would have to be radically redesigned to work on a phone - not impossible though... And the current replacement contender is the Note I think.
[12:05] <Millenaire> RELEASE!
[12:05] <Millenaire> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000159.html
[12:05] <sagaci> ya
[12:05] <sagaci> peak hour traffic
[12:05] <Millenaire> Yup
[12:06] <moldor> Gonna have to see how it runs on the old Bondi Blue iMac.
[12:14] <moldor> BTW, know anyone in teh Sydney area that might want a Dell Poweredge 2300 server ?  Couple of Gig of RAM, 3 or 4 x 36Gb drives. Shoud still work, asn't been fired up for abbout 2 years
[12:17] <Millenaire> Ey, now to wait 100 years while accessing the relevant *Buntu pagres
[12:17] <Millenaire> *pages
[12:18] <moldor> yeah, the thruput is rather minimal... Might be a weekend job for teh work network I think
[12:18] <ikt> would be good if we had this many people in here normally :P
[12:22] <moldor> Just found my next Open Source project - http://www.openpilot.org/
[12:24] <jaddi27> sagaci, time to hold a meeting to take advantage of all the people :P
[12:25] <Millenaire> Well, I promise to come in more often :)
[12:25] <Millenaire> 12 years of Linux.... I don't gve back near enough :/
[12:25] <dns53> moldor it does sound like an interesting project
[12:25] <moldor> I also will frequent as much as I can
[12:26] <Millenaire> 12.04 - probably the biggest distro release in history
[12:26] <moldor> dns53: I've wanted a quadcopter for ages... The Mrs doesn't see the point (bloody Windows user !!), but it would be way cool if for nothing more than terrorising her cat !
[12:29] <Millenaire> I think Mr Ballmer should donate a server farm to Canonical for the next Buntu release ;)
[12:29] <Millenaire> A big one
[12:30] <moldor> Or a rack in the new Google data centre....
[12:30] <Millenaire> Mind you, he'd probably want some patent rubbish deal in return
[12:31] <moldor> Millenaire: Or a new wig... or girdle
[12:32] <Millenaire> Think the the Iowa-consumer casr files say it all - public memos / emails from internal MS staff. One of them specifically states that... "Microsoft is only here to help Microsoft"
[12:32] <Millenaire> *case
[12:32] <moldor> Millenaire: Well, they got that right..
[12:32] <Millenaire> Yup
[12:39] <Termana> moldor, with a bit of work you could probably do the Ubuntu for Android thing yourself. Easiest way I would think of is, have an Android phone that outputs HDMI on the USB port (Galaxy Nexus does this for example) set up a chroot on the phone, and have bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Use VNC in Android to access you're chroot X. Not as elegant but you would get the same thing.
[12:39] <Termana> your*
[12:40] <moldor> Termana: Certainly one way of doing it.
[12:45] <moldor> Work tomorrow... Out..
[12:55] <dns53> Termana well that is what it is (from what i can see), an ubuntu chroot set up with the display to output to hdmi
[13:19] <Millenaire> Kubuntu site still down
[13:19] <Millenaire> One would assume that Ubuntu could handle the 12.04 traffic :/
[13:20] <Millenaire> Doesn't take much to figure out that a load of people want this release
[13:20] <Millenaire> Love Ubuntu, but after 16 releases I just thought.......
[14:00] <ikt> yeah same
[14:00] <ikt> Millenaire, but they don't increase the bandwidth I think just because it's burst and for such a short amount of time
[14:00] <ikt> in a few hours it'll be back to normal 
[14:02] <ikt> interesting, ubuntu up but kubuntu down
[14:02] <Millenaire> Yeah
[14:03] <ikt> in 2 hours I've uploaded more of ubuntu 12.04 than 11.10 and elementary os in the last 2 months
[14:09] <Millenaire> Question: hid-logitech-dj - does this affect the G700 Wireless Gaming mouse?
[17:25] <airtonix> Termana: galaxy nexus only does video out via hdmi when it detects full screen video decoding
[17:25] <airtonix> i have one with a hdmi dock
[17:26] <airtonix> ergo it's not a software decision to render the output via hdmi, but rather the gpu goes 'oh video decoding... derp engage hdmi'
[17:27] <airtonix> it's possible to use custom firmware to make the output on the phone screen duplicated out through hdmi, but it's really slow
[23:57] <bradm> I wonder where ikt gets the idea that we don't increase bandwith for release.. thats totally wrong, we definately do