| cariboo907 | works for me :) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| s-fox | Works for me | 00:00 |
| Iowan | Good here... | 00:00 |
| uRock | +1 | 00:00 |
| Iowan | Time= now +/- 3 hours | 00:00 |
| s-fox | Again, my worry is for AI | 00:01 |
| coffeecat | Agreed - this will always be bad for AI | 00:01 |
| jacob | Why not cycle times every meeting? you'll get a different selection of FC every time | 00:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | because, no time that is good for AI works for anyone else | 00:02 |
| jacob | that's... tricky. | 00:02 |
| s-fox | I think we should discuss this further, perhaps vote later | 00:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | so when we look at avability, say there are 4,5,or 6 members available as time foo and bar and another_time | 00:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | It is always AI missing | 00:03 |
| bodhi_zazen | and when you look at AI times, only 1 or 2 members at most are available | 00:03 |
| bodhi_zazen | so , no matter what, we are going to need to learn to communicate outside of FC meetings | 00:03 |
| s-fox | It is difficult | 00:03 |
| s-fox | +1 to communication | 00:03 |
| s-fox | Okay, next topic | 00:04 |
| s-fox | [TOPIC] New UFM | 00:04 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: New UFM | ||
| s-fox | Only one this month, and he is already an ubuntu member.... | 00:05 |
| s-fox | which i still don't understand the point but anyway | 00:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | Is there anyone who does not know cprofitt ? | 00:05 |
| Iowan | I'm confused - do I also need to re-apply via forums? | 00:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | Iowan: because we have 2 categories | 00:05 |
| jacob | Iowan: I think he just want to have a more formal forum membership. | 00:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | Ubuntu members -> they all get the little user benefits | 00:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | and Ubuntu Forums Members | 00:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | Only Ubuntu members active on the forums (UFM) are eligible for staff and to vote | 00:06 |
| s-fox | Does this mean I need to reapply? | 00:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | so, if they go or have gone through an alternate membership board, they need to apply for UFM | 00:07 |
| s-fox | I did not get my membership for forums activites | 00:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | I would say so s-fox | 00:07 |
| Iowan | ditto | 00:07 |
| cariboo907 | Does cprofitt just want to become a UFM so that he is eligible to become a staff member | 00:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | That is the best way to identify UM active on the fourms | 00:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | no cariboo907 , he wants to vote for staff | 00:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | I do not think it is the general policy of Ubuntu Team, nor do I think we want, all UM to vote for ubuntu forums elections | 00:08 |
| s-fox | Okay, that I understand | 00:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | As an ubuntu member, if you are not active on IRC, you do not get asked to vote for ubuntu irc board | 00:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | etc | 00:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | I anticipate a small # of these applications | 00:09 |
| s-fox | [VOTE] cprofitt for UFM | 00:09 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: cprofitt for UFM | 00:09 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 00:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 | 00:09 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bodhi_zazen | 00:09 |
| cariboo907 | +0 | 00:09 |
| meetingology | +0 received from cariboo907 | 00:09 |
| coffeecat | +1 | 00:09 |
| meetingology | +1 received from coffeecat | 00:09 |
| s-fox | +11 | 00:09 |
| meetingology | +11 received from s-fox | 00:09 |
| Iowan | +1 | 00:09 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Iowan | 00:09 |
| s-fox | Nice vote by me ;) | 00:09 |
| Iowan | (vote -10 to balance?) | 00:10 |
| s-fox | [ENDVOTE] | 00:10 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: cprofitt for UFM | 00:10 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 00:10 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 00:10 |
| s-fox | mhall119 ping ? | 00:10 |
| pleia2 | good to see another CC member getting more involved with forums (we miss technoviking!) | 00:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | 'lo pleia2 | 00:11 |
| pleia2 | sorry, don't mean to interrupt meeting :) | 00:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | no bother, glad to have you | 00:12 |
| s-fox | mhall119 added an item to the agenda wanting to add a programming related forum to the main page rather than under the programming section. i am not sure on the reasoning and generally think it is unorganised if we do that | 00:12 |
| mhall119 | s-fox: here | 00:12 |
| s-fox | Hey mhall119 :) | 00:12 |
| mhall119 | mostly | 00:12 |
| bodhi_zazen | I say, add the forum, we can remove it if it is unused | 00:13 |
| s-fox | [TOPIC] Add top level suport forum for ubuntu app developers | 00:13 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Add top level suport forum for ubuntu app developers | ||
| s-fox | mhall119 can you explain your idea please? | 00:13 |
| mhall119 | so one of our big goals in the 12.10 cycle is to build a community of independent application developers | 00:14 |
| mhall119 | and one thing that almost every other developer.*.* website offers app devs is a forum | 00:14 |
| bodhi_zazen | mhall119: can this be a subsection of the ubuntu+1 forums ? | 00:14 |
| duanedesign | o/ | 00:14 |
| mhall119 | not just for technical/programming support either | 00:14 |
| mhall119 | bodhi_zazen: no, it'll be a permanent fixture | 00:14 |
| bodhi_zazen | duanedesign: if it on topic, speak, otherwise wait for open floor | 00:15 |
| mhall119 | so questions and support will range from programming to packaging, pricing, promotion, collaboration, etc | 00:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | Where would you propose we add it ? | 00:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php | 00:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=310 | 00:15 |
| mhall119 | bodhi_zazen: I was hoping to get it in the "Main Support Categories" area | 00:15 |
| mhall119 | as top-level as possible | 00:16 |
| mhall119 | we'll link to it from developer.ubuntu.com/community | 00:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | I have someone who wants to learn to package the linux-libre kernel into a ppa (they make .deb now, but want to learn better) | 00:17 |
| mhall119 | as one of the official places for app developers to get support and meet other app developers | 00:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | would they use the forums for that sort of activity ? | 00:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | learning to package ? | 00:17 |
| jacob | I think it sounds like a reasonable idea; it could attract a healthy developer community, and is no worse than any of the partner forums under main support ;) | 00:17 |
| mhall119 | bodhi_zazen: no, that's ubuntu development, not app development | 00:17 |
| mhall119 | we're targeting people who make, say, Angry Birds, and wants to make a native Ubuntu version | 00:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | but programming side ? | 00:18 |
| mhall119 | they don't care about kernels or debian packaging with lint --pedantic or all that | 00:18 |
| s-fox | mhall119 we get people building applications in that section | 00:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | what about packaging ? | 00:18 |
| mhall119 | bodhi_zazen: programming will be part of it, but not all of it | 00:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | packaging is a frequent FAQ | 00:18 |
| s-fox | +1 bodhi_zazen | 00:18 |
| mhall119 | it'll also be pricing, promotion, etc | 00:19 |
| jacob | makes sense to me, considering the "app" model ubuntu is moving towards. consolidating things might be useful. | 00:19 |
| jacob | (as much as i despise the word "app") | 00:19 |
| s-fox | Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat thoughts? | 00:20 |
| Iowan | Thinking... | 00:20 |
| mhall119 | I don't really want to send them all over the forums, I'd rather give them one place specifically for them | 00:20 |
| cariboo907 | I think it's a good idea | 00:20 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 mhall119 | 00:21 |
| jacob | echo that | 00:21 |
| mhall119 | just like they expect from other developer portals | 00:21 |
| Iowan | Probably worth a try - as mentioned about partner subforums | 00:21 |
| Effenberg0x0 | o/ | 00:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | If it is on topic Effenberg0x0 speak up | 00:22 |
| s-fox | Effenberg0x0 go :) | 00:22 |
| Effenberg0x0 | Apps need testers. I see a good opportunity for integration there | 00:22 |
| mhall119 | oh, for added clarification, this will be mainly targetting people who will be submitting apps through MyApps and the ARB, not to Universe | 00:22 |
| jacob | this almost seems to merit an additional section, even. but a single forum would be good to start with. | 00:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | My 2c are to make this work as best we can | 00:23 |
| coffeecat | I like Effenberg0x0's point. | 00:23 |
| Effenberg0x0 | QA won't test 3rd parts. Ubuntu+1/U+1 Team can help. Good opportunity for knowledge exchange. | 00:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | mhall119: can you or someone help develop the description you envision ? | 00:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=326 | 00:24 |
| mhall119 | bodhi_zazen: sure, dpm and I can do that | 00:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | "The perfect place to post for your Ubuntu support if you are new to Linux." | 00:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | We can put it under main for visibility | 00:24 |
| s-fox | Okay, lets vote. | 00:25 |
| Iowan | Horse before cart: Loco forum mods? | 00:25 |
| bodhi_zazen | as it evolved , see if it belongs there or if it should be moved to a development section | 00:25 |
| bodhi_zazen | mhall119: yes, any help with moderating this section ? | 00:25 |
| mhall119 | bodhi_zazen: I'd be happy to, dpm will too I'm sure, and we can get he ARB to help too | 00:25 |
| bodhi_zazen | These sorts of discussions can get , err, interesting | 00:26 |
| s-fox | [VOTE] App developers forum to be created and placed under main suport categories | 00:26 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: App developers forum to be created and placed under main suport categories | 00:26 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 00:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | someone to help set the tone would be great | 00:26 |
| cariboo907 | +1 | 00:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cariboo907 | 00:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | staff can help | 00:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 | 00:26 |
| coffeecat | +1 | 00:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bodhi_zazen | 00:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from coffeecat | 00:26 |
| Iowan | +1 | 00:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Iowan | 00:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | with spam and stuff | 00:26 |
| mhall119 | bodhi_zazen: there's enough stake holders, I'm sure we can find a good group of mods | 00:26 |
| s-fox | +0 | 00:26 |
| meetingology | +0 received from s-fox | 00:26 |
| jacob | implicit plus-one ;) | 00:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | I think that would be best | 00:26 |
| s-fox | [ENDVOTE] | 00:26 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: App developers forum to be created and placed under main suport categories | 00:26 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 00:26 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 00:26 |
| mhall119 | you guys rock! thanks so much for addressing this so quickly | 00:27 |
| s-fox | Okay, mhall119 if you could email / irc the fc with the description we will do the rest :) | 00:27 |
| coffeecat | Before we move on. Something for mhall119 and all to think about... | 00:27 |
| mhall119 | s-fox: what email? | 00:27 |
| s-fox | mhall119 the fc mailing list | 00:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | mhall119: for future reference : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncil | 00:28 |
| mhall119 | thanks | 00:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | ubuntu-forums-council@lists.ubuntu.com | 00:28 |
| coffeecat | mhall119, mentioned "pricing and promotion" With app developers who are new members. Have to give them guidelines so they are not mistaken for spammers. | 00:29 |
| s-fox | +1 on spam issue | 00:29 |
| Iowan | Pricing always raises a red flag... | 00:29 |
| mhall119 | coffeecat: yeah, I didn't mean "promote your app on the forums", I meant "ask other app devs what they did for promotion, what work and what didn't, etc" | 00:29 |
| bodhi_zazen | As do links to products off ubuntu web pages from members with < 10-15 posts | 00:30 |
| coffeecat | mhall119, sure. But some might get it wrong! :) | 00:30 |
| s-fox | We should make an announcement to the forum population, otherwise we are going to get buried in reports | 00:30 |
| bodhi_zazen | Part of setting up the forums | 00:30 |
| Iowan | sticky in neew forum | 00:30 |
| mhall119 | s-fox: we will also likely announce it on the developer portal blog | 00:30 |
| bodhi_zazen | develop description, post guidelines as a sticky | 00:30 |
| s-fox | mhall119 a lot of the forum users are not devs =) | 00:31 |
| mhall119 | s-fox: right, I was just mentioning it | 00:31 |
| bodhi_zazen | Yea, we chased the dev out with pitchforks and torches =) | 00:31 |
| s-fox | [ACTION] Sticky in new section outlining post criteria | 00:31 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Sticky in new section outlining post criteria | 00:31 |
| s-fox | [ACTION] Post in Cafe about new section | 00:32 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Post in Cafe about new section | 00:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | any other comments ? | 00:32 |
| s-fox | [ACTION] Post in PT about new section | 00:32 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Post in PT about new section | 00:32 |
| s-fox | Nothing from me | 00:33 |
| s-fox | Anyone else? | 00:33 |
| Iowan | nothing from here | 00:33 |
| coffeecat | Nothing more here | 00:33 |
| s-fox | [TOPIC] U+1 moving | 00:33 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: U+1 moving | ||
| mhall119 | thanks again, I'll get with dpm tomorrow to write up that description and some guidelines from our side, then you guys can add whatever guidelines you think will be needed | 00:33 |
| s-fox | moergaes added this item | 00:34 |
| moergaes | Yes | 00:34 |
| s-fox | moergaes you have the floor =) | 00:34 |
| moergaes | Thanks. | 00:34 |
| moergaes | We have talked somewhat about this in the staff forum | 00:34 |
| moergaes | but I would like to hear if we have an agreement / decision. | 00:34 |
| moergaes | Ubuntu+1 is different from all other fora | 00:34 |
| moergaes | as the purpose is not support, but software development | 00:34 |
| moergaes | (particularly testing and bug reporting). | 00:34 |
| moergaes | Therefore support request should not go there IMHO. | 00:35 |
| moergaes | My suggestion: | 00:35 |
| cariboo907 | I think the point is moot, as Precise comes out tomorrow, and there will be a new QQ subforum, | 00:35 |
| moergaes | This is meant for U+1 in general | 00:35 |
| moergaes | not only this cycle. | 00:35 |
| s-fox | cariboo907 please wait until moergaes is done. :) | 00:35 |
| moergaes | I suggest that all threads in U+1 should serve a purpose regarding software development | 00:36 |
| cariboo907 | OK :( | 00:36 |
| moergaes | else they should be moved (or stay) somewhere else | 00:36 |
| moergaes | mostly Absolute Beginner Talk. | 00:36 |
| quackers | o/ | 00:36 |
| moergaes | Comments? | 00:36 |
| Iowan | where should U+1 support go? | 00:37 |
| Effenberg0x0 | o/ | 00:37 |
| jacob | agreed. but when do we decide to stop moving threads *in* and start moving them *out* into general areas? 2 weeks before release? beta 2? | 00:37 |
| s-fox | go Effenberg0x0 | 00:37 |
| bodhi_zazen | o/ | 00:37 |
| Effenberg0x0 | Mark created Development release USERS (not testers) when he did this: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/938, which was foralized here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-plusonemaint-priorities | 00:37 |
| Effenberg0x0 | Therefore, users exist, users need support. And we benefit from converting support requests into new testers. | 00:37 |
| uRock | Maybe have two sub-sections, one for devs and another for support? | 00:37 |
| jacob | i like that idea uRock | 00:38 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 uRock | 00:38 |
| jacob | U+1 forum always seemed a bit cluttered | 00:38 |
| bodhi_zazen | u+1 have grown | 00:38 |
| cariboo907 | We have very few developers in that section, they mainly answer support questions | 00:38 |
| bodhi_zazen | quackers: go | 00:38 |
| jacob | also, I also think that U+1 support/development should be moved up a little bit. it's quite hidden, and many threads moved there are made by those who didn't see it | 00:38 |
| quackers | where should testers of the current development release ask for support, if not in U + 1 | 00:39 |
| quackers | ? | 00:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | could move it under general ... | 00:39 |
| quackers | isn't that thinning an already limited supply of help? | 00:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | Let me try to answer that quackers , if I may ... | 00:39 |
| s-fox | we'd be flooded with reports if they do not have their own section | 00:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | There are no absolutes, people (including staff) need to use judgement | 00:40 |
| Effenberg0x0 | This release (QQ) is about quality. We need more common users testing the Development Release. I ask you to consider that cautiously in any change we do to the current structure. | 00:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | Lets say a user needs support on u+1 ... | 00:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | Is is a question that is very general - how do I install software ? | 00:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | If it is general enough , leave it in ABT or GH or wherever | 00:40 |
| quackers | not usually | 00:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | Or is it specific to U+1 | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | In that case, it needs to be moved | 00:41 |
| jacob | doesn't that really echo current policy? :) | 00:41 |
| quackers | often specific imo | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | This last release cycle was NOT typical | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | it was MUCH MUCH more stable | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | wait until X fails on u+1 | 00:41 |
| cariboo907 | We usually make some suggestions, and help the new user along, as long as the question is concerneing the development release | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | so u+1 specific support / development -> u+1 | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | there will always be judgement involved | 00:42 |
| cariboo907 | that's my thought | 00:42 |
| quackers | for me, yes | 00:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | Does the support question pertain to development , development specific problems ? | 00:42 |
| quackers | itconcentrates users | 00:42 |
| s-fox | Okay, I see a few people in agreement on an idea. Time to vote | 00:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | Or is it general enough to remain in ABT ? | 00:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | If in doubt -> move to u+1 | 00:43 |
| coffeecat | One problem is the "naive" user who has no intention of testing, install an alpha or beta without knowing what they are and needs help. It dilutes the U+1 forum. | 00:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | until a stable beta ? | 00:43 |
| moergaes | coffeecat: Exactly | 00:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 coffeecat | 00:43 |
| moergaes | that was my point. | 00:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | But again, this release cycle was more stable then average | 00:44 |
| s-fox | [VOTE] u+1 specific then move, if question is generic then leave in General / ABT | 00:44 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: u+1 specific then move, if question is generic then leave in General / ABT | 00:44 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 00:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 | 00:44 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bodhi_zazen | 00:44 |
| cariboo907 | +1 | 00:44 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cariboo907 | 00:44 |
| coffeecat | +1 | 00:44 |
| meetingology | +1 received from coffeecat | 00:44 |
| s-fox | +1 | 00:44 |
| meetingology | +1 received from s-fox | 00:44 |
| s-fox | Iowan ? | 00:44 |
| Iowan | +0 | 00:44 |
| meetingology | +0 received from Iowan | 00:44 |
| s-fox | [ENDVOTE] | 00:44 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: u+1 specific then move, if question is generic then leave in General / ABT | 00:44 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 00:44 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 00:44 |
| s-fox | Great =) | 00:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | Open floor ? | 00:45 |
| Effenberg0x0 | o/ May I? (Two quick remarks, no need to discuss it in-depth now, just a proposal for you to consider) | 00:45 |
| moergaes | Thanks! | 00:45 |
| s-fox | Last item | 00:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | o/ | 00:45 |
| s-fox | bodhi_zazen after the division of labour you will have the floor | 00:45 |
| cariboo907 | WHo is going to move the Precise sub-forum to the archove | 00:45 |
| Effenberg0x0 | Oops | 00:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | naw, give it to Effenberg0x0 first | 00:45 |
| cariboo907 | archive | 00:45 |
| s-fox | bodhi_zazen okay | 00:45 |
| cariboo907 | +1 | 00:45 |
| s-fox | [TOPIC] Division of labour | 00:46 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Division of labour | ||
| bodhi_zazen | you all see my tl;dr every day | 00:46 |
| s-fox | Who wants the team report this month? | 00:46 |
| Iowan | (pass) | 00:46 |
| * cariboo907 will | 00:47 | |
| s-fox | [ACTION] Team report -> s-fox & cariboo907 | 00:47 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Team report -> s-fox & cariboo907 | 00:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | cariboo907: volunteered earlier | 00:47 |
| s-fox | who wants the admin thread ? | 00:47 |
| Iowan | I'll help! | 00:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | o/ | 00:47 |
| s-fox | [ACTION] Admin thread -> Iowan | 00:47 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Admin thread -> Iowan | 00:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | doh - | 00:48 |
| s-fox | Who wants to swat trolls on the mailing list? | 00:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | o/ | 00:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | and spam | 00:48 |
| * coffeecat is game for some troll swatting. | 00:48 | |
| s-fox | [ACTION] Mailing list -> bodhi_zazen | 00:48 |
| coffeecat | And spam!!!! | 00:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Mailing list -> bodhi_zazen | 00:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | unless you have a better task for me oh great one (s-fox) | 00:48 |
| s-fox | [ACTION] s-fox to mail coffeecat some spam | 00:49 |
| meetingology | ACTION: s-fox to mail coffeecat some spam | 00:49 |
| coffeecat | lol | 00:49 |
| s-fox | I think that is it | 00:49 |
| s-fox | Effenberg0x0 has the floor | 00:49 |
| Iowan | Ban reversal candidates? | 00:49 |
| bodhi_zazen | blog.bodhizazen.net | coffeecat@ubuntu.com | 00:49 |
| bodhi_zazen | There are none Iowan | 00:50 |
| Effenberg0x0 | May I? | 00:50 |
| s-fox | yes | 00:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | No ban reversal candidates added themselves to the agenda, none showed up | 00:50 |
| Effenberg0x0 | Thanks, I have two items for you to consider. We can discuss both in the future as we're short on time now. | 00:50 |
| Effenberg0x0 | #1 (The small one): This cycle is about quality. We need more common users testing the Dev. Release. If possible, I'd like Ubuntu+1 to move up a little in the forum sections. It's a little hidden, and that is not compatible to current Ubuntu strategy. | 00:50 |
| s-fox | don't worry, we're only 55 mins over our allocation of an hour | 00:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | Effenberg0x0: np, in the future = add them to agenda ;) | 00:50 |
| Effenberg0x0 | Ok bodhi_zazen | 00:51 |
| Effenberg0x0 | And #2 | 00:51 |
| jacob | +1 Effenberg0x0 | 00:51 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 to moving it to main =) | 00:51 |
| uRock | another +1 | 00:51 |
| coffeecat | +1 from me | 00:51 |
| cariboo907 | +1 from me too | 00:51 |
| s-fox | [VOTE] Move u+1 so it is more visible | 00:51 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Move u+1 so it is more visible | 00:51 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 00:51 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 | 00:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bodhi_zazen | 00:52 |
| cariboo907 | +1 | 00:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cariboo907 | 00:52 |
| Iowan | +0 | 00:52 |
| coffeecat | +1 | 00:52 |
| meetingology | +0 received from Iowan | 00:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from coffeecat | 00:52 |
| s-fox | +1 | 00:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from s-fox | 00:52 |
| uRock | (plus one) | 00:52 |
| Effenberg0x0 | wow, great, huge support! Thanks guys! Let me paste text for the next request. | 00:52 |
| s-fox | [ENDVOTE] | 00:52 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Move u+1 so it is more visible | 00:52 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 00:52 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 00:52 |
| Effenberg0x0 | #2 (The big one): UF – U+1Team partnership. The U+1 Team is independent from QA and any other structure, reporting only to CC. But it is strongly related to UF (and UF's Ubuntu+1 sub-forum). Initially, most of our members came from UF, including some UF staff and Ubuntu members via Forums. We even have 2 UF Council members in our team. I personally see UF as the most successful endeavor of Ubuntu in on-line communities. | 00:53 |
| Effenberg0x0 | We need to work together. U+1 team was designed to work via partnerships, with defined term lengths, goals, tasks, limited scope, metrics. In this sense, I'd like to propose such a partnership between U+1 and UF. | 00:53 |
| Effenberg0x0 | UF can benefit from having some of it's staff involved in learning in testing, QA and technical work – a glimpse of a broader Ubuntu universe. UF can also recruit staff and candidates to Members from U+1 (likely technical and committed to Ubuntu). | 00:53 |
| Effenberg0x0 | U+1 Team can benefit from having more Ubuntu-commited members in testing (and possibly DOC and other activities) and strong recruitment to testing via Forums. Forums are also (IMO) an amazing thermometer of Ubuntu software quality. | 00:53 |
| Effenberg0x0 | We can work to draft a scope for such partnership together and define a term-length of one development cycle as a trial. I can have a draft for your appreciation in a week or so. | 00:53 |
| Effenberg0x0 | whew | 00:53 |
| s-fox | +1 on reviewing a draft | 00:54 |
| s-fox | The idea really needs some discussion | 00:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | discussion would be great, plan sounds solid | 00:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | continue to build on success | 00:55 |
| Effenberg0x0 | I think it's a win-win. For UF and U+1 Team. We just need to set details. | 00:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | o/ | 00:55 |
| s-fox | Effenberg0x0 could you prepare the draft and get it to a the FC? | 00:55 |
| Effenberg0x0 | s-fox, sure. Gie a couple days and I'll send it to FC mail, ok? | 00:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | Effenberg0x0: and add an item to FC agenda | 00:56 |
| Effenberg0x0 | bodhi_zazen, Ok, will do | 00:56 |
| uRock | Gotta go. It's been nice... 8) | 00:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | Unresolved items -> carry over | 00:56 |
| s-fox | [ACTION] Effenberg0x0 to send fc draft and post on agenda | 00:56 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Effenberg0x0 to send fc draft and post on agenda | 00:56 |
| s-fox | bodhi_zazen floor is yours | 00:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | Just a few short comments on #ubuntuforums | 00:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | The channel is intended to be a voice for the community and a place for staff to interact | 00:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | It seems to be working well | 00:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | feel free to participate, including steering the occasional discussion of items on the FC agenda | 00:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | encourage discussion of community issues | 00:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | as staff, you are the facilitators | 00:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | We simply get more done, and have more community support for change if we have the discussion with the community | 00:59 |
| bodhi_zazen | /end | 00:59 |
| cariboo907 | o/ | 00:59 |
| s-fox | cariboo907 go | 00:59 |
| bodhi_zazen | go cariboo907 | 00:59 |
| cariboo907 | Who is going to move the Precise sub-forum to the archive, and create a new one for QQ | 00:59 |
| bodhi_zazen | are you volunteering cariboo907 ? | 01:00 |
| cariboo907 | I guess I am, it will just be a bit later this time around, | 01:00 |
| Effenberg0x0 | Is archiving it really needed? Considering many bugs and workarounds are persistent? | 01:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, if you need help, let us know | 01:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | not archiving, closing (I assume) | 01:01 |
| s-fox | [ACTION] cariboo907 to handle precise and create QQ Subforum | 01:01 |
| meetingology | ACTION: cariboo907 to handle precise and create QQ Subforum | 01:01 |
| s-fox | Okay, anything else? | 01:01 |
| Iowan | New member message? | 01:01 |
| s-fox | Oh yes, can i do it this month? | 01:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | \o/ | 01:02 |
| Iowan | +1 | 01:02 |
| cariboo907 | +1 | 01:02 |
| s-fox | [ACTION] New member message -> s-fox | 01:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: New member message -> s-fox | 01:02 |
| coffeecat | s-fox, I;m so glad! :) | 01:02 |
| s-fox | Anything else? not like we're running late or anything | 01:03 |
| s-fox | ;) | 01:03 |
| Iowan | done here... | 01:03 |
| cariboo907 | that's it for me, I'm getting hungry :) | 01:03 |
| s-fox | i have work in 4 hours and yet to sleep | 01:03 |
| bodhi_zazen | getting long in the tooth | 01:03 |
| Iowan | eeewww | 01:03 |
| jacob | it's a comfortable 9pm here :3 | 01:03 |
| moergaes | Thanks for now. Good night, everybody. | 01:04 |
| mhall119 | east coast! | 01:04 |
| cariboo907 | it's only 18:00 here | 01:04 |
| cariboo907 | on the Pacific coast | 01:04 |
| s-fox | okay | 01:04 |
| coffeecat | 2 in the morning here. :( | 01:04 |
| jacob | good meeting all, night | 01:04 |
| s-fox | #endmeeting | 01:04 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Apr 26 01:04:41 2012 UTC. | 01:04 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-25-23.02.moin.txt | 01:04 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-25-23.02.html | 01:04 |
| Effenberg0x0 | Thank you guys | 01:04 |
| jacob | <-- jacob pretends to leave the channel but never really does | 01:04 |
| mhall119 | g'night s-fox | 01:04 |
| s-fox | Can someone grab that link please ? | 01:05 |
| s-fox | my tablet is giving me issues | 01:05 |
| jacob | short link: http://j.mp/IEXiqp | 01:05 |
| jacob | can post to SCC if wanted | 01:06 |
| Iowan | (post it) | 01:06 |
| jacob | done | 01:07 |
| s-fox | Thanks jacob | 01:07 |
| jacob | np | 01:07 |
| s-fox | I am going, thanks for coming everyone | 01:08 |
| jacob | bye s-fox | 01:08 |
| oldos2er | thaanks, s-fox | 01:08 |
| wildmanne39 | Is the floor open to questions? | 01:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | yes wildmanne39 , but FC members are drooping like flies -> move to #ubuntuforums | 01:12 |
| wildmanne39 | I did thanks bodhi_zazen | 01:13 |
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