[00:00] <cariboo907> works for me :)
[00:00] <s-fox> Works for me
[00:00] <Iowan> Good here...
[00:00] <uRock> +1
[00:00] <Iowan> Time= now +/- 3 hours
[00:01] <s-fox> Again, my worry is for AI
[00:01] <coffeecat> Agreed - this will always be bad for AI
[00:01] <jacob> Why not cycle times every meeting? you'll get a different selection of FC every time
[00:02] <bodhi_zazen> because, no time that is good for AI works for anyone else
[00:02] <jacob> that's... tricky.
[00:02] <s-fox> I think we should discuss this further, perhaps vote later
[00:02] <bodhi_zazen> so when we look at avability, say there are 4,5,or 6 members available as time foo and bar and another_time
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> It is always AI missing
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> and when you look at AI times, only 1 or 2 members at most are available
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> so , no matter what, we are going to need to learn to communicate outside of FC meetings
[00:03] <s-fox> It is difficult
[00:03] <s-fox> +1 to communication
[00:04] <s-fox> Okay, next topic
[00:04] <s-fox> [TOPIC] New UFM
[00:05] <s-fox> Only one this month, and he is already an ubuntu member....
[00:05] <s-fox> which i still don't understand the point but anyway
[00:05] <bodhi_zazen> Is there anyone who does not know cprofitt ?
[00:05] <Iowan> I'm confused - do I also need to re-apply via forums?
[00:05] <bodhi_zazen> Iowan: because we have 2 categories
[00:06] <jacob> Iowan: I think he just want to have a more formal forum membership.
[00:06] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu members -> they all get the little user benefits
[00:06] <bodhi_zazen> and Ubuntu Forums Members
[00:06] <bodhi_zazen> Only Ubuntu members active on the forums (UFM) are eligible for staff and to vote
[00:07] <s-fox> Does this mean I need to reapply?
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> so, if they go or have gone through an alternate membership board, they need to apply for UFM
[00:07] <s-fox> I did not get my membership for forums activites
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> I would say so s-fox
[00:07] <Iowan> ditto
[00:07] <cariboo907> Does cprofitt just want to become a UFM so that he is eligible to become a staff member
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> That is the best way to identify UM active on the fourms
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> no cariboo907 , he wants to  vote for staff
[00:08] <bodhi_zazen> I do not think it is the general policy of Ubuntu Team, nor do I think we want, all UM to vote for ubuntu forums elections
[00:08] <s-fox> Okay, that I understand
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> As an ubuntu member, if you are not active on IRC, you do not get asked to vote for ubuntu irc board
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> etc
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> I anticipate a small # of these applications
[00:09] <s-fox> [VOTE] cprofitt for UFM
[00:09] <meetingology> Please vote on: cprofitt for UFM
[00:09] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:09] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[00:09] <cariboo907> +0
[00:09] <meetingology> +0 received from cariboo907
[00:09] <coffeecat> +1
[00:09] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[00:09] <s-fox> +11
[00:09] <meetingology> +11 received from s-fox
[00:09] <Iowan> +1
[00:09] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[00:09] <s-fox> Nice vote by me ;)
[00:10] <Iowan> (vote -10 to balance?)
[00:10] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[00:10] <meetingology> Voting ended on: cprofitt for UFM
[00:10] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[00:10] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:10] <s-fox> mhall119 ping ?
[00:11] <pleia2> good to see another CC member getting more involved with forums (we miss technoviking!)
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo pleia2
[00:11] <pleia2> sorry, don't mean to interrupt meeting :)
[00:12] <bodhi_zazen> no bother, glad to have you
[00:12] <s-fox> mhall119 added an item to the agenda wanting to add a programming related forum to the main page rather than under the programming section.  i am not sure on the reasoning and generally think it is unorganised if we do that
[00:12] <mhall119> s-fox: here
[00:12] <s-fox> Hey mhall119 :)
[00:12] <mhall119> mostly
[00:13] <bodhi_zazen> I say, add the forum, we can remove it if it is unused
[00:13] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Add top level suport forum for ubuntu app developers
[00:13] <s-fox> mhall119 can you explain your idea please?
[00:14] <mhall119> so one of our big goals in the 12.10 cycle is to build a community of independent application developers
[00:14] <mhall119> and one thing that almost every other developer.*.* website offers app devs is a forum
[00:14] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: can this be a subsection of the ubuntu+1 forums ?
[00:14] <duanedesign> o/
[00:14] <mhall119> not just for technical/programming support either
[00:14] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: no, it'll be a permanent fixture
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> duanedesign: if it on topic, speak, otherwise wait for open floor
[00:15] <mhall119> so questions and support will range from programming to packaging, pricing, promotion, collaboration, etc
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> Where would you propose we add it ?
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=310
[00:15] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: I was hoping to get it in the "Main Support Categories" area
[00:16] <mhall119> as top-level as possible
[00:17] <mhall119> we'll link to it from developer.ubuntu.com/community
[00:17] <bodhi_zazen> I have someone who wants to learn to package the linux-libre kernel into a ppa (they make .deb now, but want to learn better)
[00:17] <mhall119> as one of the official places for app developers to get support and meet other app developers
[00:17] <bodhi_zazen> would they use the forums for that sort of activity ?
[00:17] <bodhi_zazen> learning to package ?
[00:17] <jacob> I think it sounds like a reasonable idea; it could attract a healthy developer community, and is no worse than any of the partner forums under main support ;)
[00:17] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: no, that's ubuntu development, not app development
[00:18] <mhall119> we're targeting people who make, say, Angry Birds, and wants to make a native Ubuntu version
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> but programming side ?
[00:18] <mhall119> they don't care about kernels or debian packaging with lint --pedantic or all that
[00:18] <s-fox> mhall119 we get people building applications in that section
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> what about packaging ?
[00:18] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: programming will be part of it, but not all of it
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> packaging is a frequent FAQ
[00:18] <s-fox> +1 bodhi_zazen
[00:19] <mhall119> it'll also be pricing, promotion, etc
[00:19] <jacob> makes sense to me, considering the "app" model ubuntu is moving towards. consolidating things might be useful.
[00:19] <jacob> (as much as i despise the word "app")
[00:20] <s-fox> Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat thoughts?
[00:20] <Iowan> Thinking...
[00:20] <mhall119> I don't really want to send them all over the forums, I'd rather give them one place specifically for them
[00:20] <cariboo907> I think it's a good idea
[00:21] <bodhi_zazen> +1 mhall119
[00:21] <jacob> echo that
[00:21] <mhall119> just like they expect from other developer portals
[00:21] <Iowan> Probably worth a try - as mentioned about partner subforums
[00:21] <Effenberg0x0> o/
[00:22] <bodhi_zazen> If it is on topic Effenberg0x0 speak up
[00:22] <s-fox> Effenberg0x0 go :)
[00:22] <Effenberg0x0> Apps need testers. I see a good opportunity for integration there
[00:22] <mhall119> oh, for added clarification, this will be mainly targetting people who will be submitting apps through MyApps and the ARB, not to Universe
[00:22] <jacob> this almost seems to merit an additional section, even. but a single forum would be good to start with.
[00:23] <bodhi_zazen> My 2c are to make this work as best we can
[00:23] <coffeecat> I like Effenberg0x0's point.
[00:24] <Effenberg0x0> QA won't test 3rd parts. Ubuntu+1/U+1 Team can help. Good opportunity for knowledge exchange.
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: can you or someone help develop the description you envision ?
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=326
[00:24] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: sure, dpm and I can do that
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> "The perfect place to post for your Ubuntu support if you are new to Linux."
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> We can put it under main for visibility
[00:25] <s-fox> Okay, lets vote.
[00:25] <Iowan> Horse before cart: Loco forum mods?
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> as it evolved , see if it belongs there or if it should be moved to a development section
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: yes, any help with moderating this section ?
[00:25] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: I'd be happy to, dpm will too I'm sure, and we can get he ARB to help too
[00:26] <bodhi_zazen> These sorts of discussions can get , err, interesting
[00:26] <s-fox> [VOTE] App developers forum to be created and placed under main suport categories
[00:26] <meetingology> Please vote on: App developers forum to be created and placed under main suport categories
[00:26] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:26] <bodhi_zazen> someone to help set the tone would be great
[00:26] <cariboo907> +1
[00:26] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[00:26] <bodhi_zazen> staff can help
[00:26] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:26] <coffeecat> +1
[00:26] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[00:26] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[00:26] <Iowan> +1
[00:26] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[00:26] <bodhi_zazen> with spam and stuff
[00:26] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: there's enough stake holders, I'm sure we can find a good group of mods
[00:26] <s-fox> +0
[00:26] <meetingology> +0 received from s-fox
[00:26] <jacob> implicit plus-one ;)
[00:26] <bodhi_zazen> I think that would be best
[00:26] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[00:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: App developers forum to be created and placed under main suport categories
[00:26] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[00:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:27] <mhall119> you guys rock! thanks so much for addressing this so quickly
[00:27] <s-fox> Okay, mhall119 if you could email  / irc the fc with the description we will do the rest :)
[00:27] <coffeecat> Before we move on. Something for mhall119  and all to think about...
[00:27] <mhall119> s-fox: what email?
[00:28] <s-fox> mhall119 the fc mailing list
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: for future reference : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncil
[00:28] <mhall119> thanks
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> ubuntu-forums-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[00:29] <coffeecat> mhall119, mentioned "pricing and promotion" With app developers who are new members. Have to give them guidelines so they are not mistaken for spammers.
[00:29] <s-fox> +1 on spam issue
[00:29] <Iowan> Pricing always raises a red flag...
[00:29] <mhall119> coffeecat: yeah, I didn't mean "promote your app on the forums", I meant "ask other app devs what they did for promotion, what work and what didn't, etc"
[00:30] <bodhi_zazen> As do links to products off ubuntu web pages from members with < 10-15 posts
[00:30] <coffeecat> mhall119, sure. But some might get it wrong! :)
[00:30] <s-fox> We should make an announcement to the forum population, otherwise  we are going to get buried in reports
[00:30] <bodhi_zazen> Part of setting up the forums
[00:30] <Iowan> sticky in neew forum
[00:30] <mhall119> s-fox: we will also likely announce it on the developer portal blog
[00:30] <bodhi_zazen> develop description, post guidelines as a sticky
[00:31] <s-fox> mhall119 a lot of the forum users are not devs =)
[00:31] <mhall119> s-fox: right, I was just mentioning it
[00:31] <bodhi_zazen> Yea, we chased the dev out with pitchforks and torches =)
[00:31] <s-fox> [ACTION] Sticky in new section outlining post criteria
[00:31] <meetingology> ACTION: Sticky in new section outlining post criteria
[00:32] <s-fox> [ACTION] Post in Cafe about new section
[00:32] <meetingology> ACTION: Post in Cafe about new section
[00:32] <bodhi_zazen> any other comments ?
[00:32] <s-fox> [ACTION] Post in PT about new section
[00:32] <meetingology> ACTION: Post in PT about new section
[00:33] <s-fox> Nothing from me
[00:33] <s-fox> Anyone else?
[00:33] <Iowan> nothing from here
[00:33] <coffeecat> Nothing more here
[00:33] <s-fox> [TOPIC] U+1 moving
[00:33] <mhall119> thanks again, I'll get with dpm tomorrow to write up that description and some guidelines from our side, then you guys can add whatever guidelines you think will be needed
[00:34] <s-fox> moergaes added this  item
[00:34] <moergaes> Yes
[00:34] <s-fox> moergaes you have the floor =)
[00:34] <moergaes> Thanks.
[00:34] <moergaes> We have talked somewhat about this in the staff forum
[00:34] <moergaes> but I would like to hear if we have an agreement / decision.
[00:34] <moergaes> Ubuntu+1 is different from all other fora
[00:34] <moergaes> as the purpose is not support, but software development
[00:34] <moergaes> (particularly testing and bug reporting).
[00:35] <moergaes> Therefore support request should not go there IMHO.
[00:35] <moergaes> My suggestion:
[00:35] <cariboo907> I think the point is moot, as Precise comes out tomorrow, and there will be a new QQ subforum,
[00:35] <moergaes> This is meant for U+1 in general
[00:35] <moergaes> not only this cycle.
[00:35] <s-fox> cariboo907 please wait until moergaes is done. :)
[00:36] <moergaes> I suggest that all threads in U+1 should serve a purpose regarding software development
[00:36] <cariboo907> OK :(
[00:36] <moergaes> else they should be moved (or stay) somewhere else
[00:36] <moergaes> mostly Absolute Beginner Talk.
[00:36] <quackers> o/
[00:36] <moergaes> Comments?
[00:37] <Iowan> where should U+1 support go?
[00:37] <Effenberg0x0> o/
[00:37] <jacob> agreed. but when do we decide to stop moving threads *in* and start moving them *out* into general areas? 2 weeks before release? beta 2?
[00:37] <s-fox> go Effenberg0x0
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> o/
[00:37] <Effenberg0x0> Mark created Development release USERS (not testers) when he did this: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/938, which was foralized here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-plusonemaint-priorities
[00:37] <Effenberg0x0> Therefore, users exist, users need support. And we benefit from converting support requests into new testers.
[00:37] <uRock> Maybe have two sub-sections, one for devs and another for support?
[00:38] <jacob> i like that idea uRock
[00:38] <bodhi_zazen> +1 uRock
[00:38] <jacob> U+1 forum always seemed a bit cluttered
[00:38] <bodhi_zazen> u+1 have grown
[00:38] <cariboo907> We have very few developers in that section, they mainly answer support questions
[00:38] <bodhi_zazen> quackers: go
[00:38] <jacob> also, I also think that U+1 support/development should be moved up a little bit. it's quite hidden, and many threads moved there are made by those who didn't see it
[00:39] <quackers> where should testers of the current development release ask for support, if not in U + 1
[00:39] <quackers> ?
[00:39] <bodhi_zazen> could move it under general ...
[00:39] <quackers> isn't that thinning an already limited supply of help?
[00:39] <bodhi_zazen> Let me try to answer that quackers , if I may ...
[00:39] <s-fox> we'd be flooded with reports if they do not have their own section
[00:40] <bodhi_zazen> There are no absolutes, people (including staff) need to use judgement
[00:40] <Effenberg0x0> This release (QQ) is about quality. We need more common users testing the Development Release. I ask you to consider that cautiously in any change we do to the current structure.
[00:40] <bodhi_zazen> Lets say a user needs support on u+1 ...
[00:40] <bodhi_zazen> Is is a question that is very general - how do I install software ?
[00:40] <bodhi_zazen> If it is general enough , leave it in ABT or GH or wherever
[00:40] <quackers> not usually
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> Or is it specific to U+1
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> In that case, it needs to be moved
[00:41] <jacob> doesn't that really echo current policy? :)
[00:41] <quackers> often specific imo
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> This last release cycle was NOT typical
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> it was MUCH MUCH more stable
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> wait until X fails on u+1
[00:41] <cariboo907> We usually make some suggestions, and help the new user along, as long as the question is concerneing the development release
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> so u+1 specific support / development -> u+1
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> there will always be judgement involved
[00:42] <cariboo907> that's my thought
[00:42] <quackers> for me, yes
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> Does the support question pertain to development , development specific problems ?
[00:42] <quackers> itconcentrates users
[00:42] <s-fox> Okay, I see a few people in agreement on an idea. Time to vote
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> Or is it general enough to remain in ABT ?
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> If in doubt -> move to u+1
[00:43] <coffeecat> One problem is the "naive" user who has no intention of testing, install an alpha or beta without knowing what they are and needs help. It dilutes the U+1 forum.
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> until a stable beta ?
[00:43] <moergaes> coffeecat: Exactly
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> +1 coffeecat
[00:43] <moergaes> that was my point.
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> But again, this release cycle was more stable then average
[00:44] <s-fox> [VOTE]  u+1 specific then move, if question is generic then leave in General / ABT
[00:44] <meetingology> Please vote on: u+1 specific then move, if question is generic then leave in General / ABT
[00:44] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:44] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[00:44] <cariboo907> +1
[00:44] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[00:44] <coffeecat> +1
[00:44] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[00:44] <s-fox> +1
[00:44] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[00:44] <s-fox> Iowan ?
[00:44] <Iowan> +0
[00:44] <meetingology> +0 received from Iowan
[00:44] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[00:44] <meetingology> Voting ended on: u+1 specific then move, if question is generic then leave in General / ABT
[00:44] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[00:44] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:45] <s-fox> Great =)
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> Open floor ?
[00:45] <Effenberg0x0> o/ May I? (Two quick remarks, no need to discuss it in-depth now, just a proposal for you to consider)
[00:45] <moergaes> Thanks!
[00:45] <s-fox> Last item
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> o/
[00:45] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen after the division of labour you will have the floor
[00:45] <cariboo907> WHo is going to move the Precise sub-forum to the archove
[00:45] <Effenberg0x0> Oops
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> naw, give it to Effenberg0x0 first
[00:45] <cariboo907> archive
[00:45] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen okay
[00:45] <cariboo907> +1
[00:46] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Division of labour
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> you all see my tl;dr every day
[00:46] <s-fox> Who wants the team report this month?
[00:46] <Iowan> (pass)
[00:47]  * cariboo907 will
[00:47] <s-fox> [ACTION] Team report -> s-fox & cariboo907
[00:47] <meetingology> ACTION: Team report -> s-fox & cariboo907
[00:47] <bodhi_zazen> cariboo907: volunteered earlier
[00:47] <s-fox> who wants the admin thread ?
[00:47] <Iowan> I'll help!
[00:47] <bodhi_zazen> o/
[00:47] <s-fox> [ACTION] Admin thread -> Iowan
[00:47] <meetingology> ACTION: Admin thread -> Iowan
[00:48] <bodhi_zazen> doh -
[00:48] <s-fox> Who wants to swat trolls on the mailing list?
[00:48] <bodhi_zazen> o/
[00:48] <bodhi_zazen> and spam
[00:48]  * coffeecat is game for some troll swatting.
[00:48] <s-fox> [ACTION] Mailing list -> bodhi_zazen
[00:48] <coffeecat> And spam!!!!
[00:48] <meetingology> ACTION: Mailing list -> bodhi_zazen
[00:48] <bodhi_zazen> unless you have a better task for me oh great one (s-fox)
[00:49] <s-fox> [ACTION] s-fox to mail coffeecat some spam
[00:49] <meetingology> ACTION: s-fox to mail coffeecat some spam
[00:49] <coffeecat> lol
[00:49] <s-fox> I think that is it
[00:49] <s-fox> Effenberg0x0 has the floor
[00:49] <Iowan> Ban reversal candidates?
[00:49] <bodhi_zazen> blog.bodhizazen.net | coffeecat@ubuntu.com
[00:50] <bodhi_zazen> There are none Iowan
[00:50] <Effenberg0x0> May I?
[00:50] <s-fox> yes
[00:50] <bodhi_zazen> No ban reversal candidates added themselves to the agenda, none showed up
[00:50] <Effenberg0x0> Thanks, I have two items for you to consider. We can discuss both in the future as we're short on time now.
[00:50] <Effenberg0x0> #1 (The small one): This cycle is about quality. We need more common users testing the Dev. Release. If possible, I'd like Ubuntu+1 to move up a little in the forum sections. It's a little hidden, and that is not compatible to current Ubuntu strategy.
[00:50] <s-fox> don't worry, we're only 55 mins over our allocation of an hour
[00:50] <bodhi_zazen> Effenberg0x0: np, in the future = add them to agenda ;)
[00:51] <Effenberg0x0> Ok bodhi_zazen
[00:51] <Effenberg0x0> And #2
[00:51] <jacob> +1 Effenberg0x0
[00:51] <bodhi_zazen> +1 to moving it to main =)
[00:51] <uRock> another +1
[00:51] <coffeecat> +1 from me
[00:51] <cariboo907> +1 from me too
[00:51] <s-fox> [VOTE] Move u+1 so it is more visible
[00:51] <meetingology> Please vote on: Move u+1 so it is more visible
[00:51] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:52] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:52] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[00:52] <cariboo907> +1
[00:52] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[00:52] <Iowan> +0
[00:52] <coffeecat> +1
[00:52] <meetingology> +0 received from Iowan
[00:52] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[00:52] <s-fox> +1
[00:52] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[00:52] <uRock> (plus one)
[00:52] <Effenberg0x0> wow, great, huge support! Thanks guys! Let me paste text for the next request.
[00:52] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[00:52] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Move u+1 so it is more visible
[00:52] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[00:52] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:53] <Effenberg0x0> #2 (The big one): UF – U+1Team partnership. The U+1 Team is independent from QA and any other structure, reporting only to CC. But it is strongly related to UF (and UF's Ubuntu+1 sub-forum). Initially, most of our members came from UF, including some UF staff and Ubuntu members via Forums. We even have 2 UF Council members in our team. I personally see UF as the most successful endeavor of Ubuntu in on-line communities.
[00:53] <Effenberg0x0> We need to work together. U+1 team was designed to work via partnerships, with defined term lengths, goals, tasks, limited scope, metrics. In this sense, I'd like to propose such a partnership between U+1 and UF.
[00:53] <Effenberg0x0> UF can benefit from having some of it's staff involved in learning in testing, QA and technical work – a glimpse of a broader Ubuntu universe. UF can also recruit staff and candidates to Members from U+1 (likely technical and committed to Ubuntu).
[00:53] <Effenberg0x0> U+1 Team can benefit from having more Ubuntu-commited members in testing (and possibly DOC and other activities) and strong recruitment to testing via Forums. Forums are also (IMO) an amazing thermometer of Ubuntu software quality.
[00:53] <Effenberg0x0> We can work to draft a scope for such partnership together and define a term-length of one development cycle as a trial. I can have a draft for your appreciation in a week or so.
[00:53] <Effenberg0x0> whew
[00:54] <s-fox> +1 on reviewing a draft
[00:54] <s-fox> The idea really needs some discussion
[00:54] <bodhi_zazen> discussion would be great, plan sounds solid
[00:55] <bodhi_zazen> continue to build on success
[00:55] <Effenberg0x0> I think it's a win-win. For UF and U+1 Team. We just need to set details.
[00:55] <bodhi_zazen> o/
[00:55] <s-fox> Effenberg0x0 could you prepare the draft and  get it to a the FC?
[00:56] <Effenberg0x0> s-fox, sure. Gie a couple days and I'll send it to FC mail, ok?
[00:56] <bodhi_zazen> Effenberg0x0: and add an item to FC agenda
[00:56] <Effenberg0x0> bodhi_zazen, Ok, will do
[00:56] <uRock> Gotta go. It's been nice... 8)
[00:56] <bodhi_zazen> Unresolved items -> carry over
[00:56] <s-fox> [ACTION] Effenberg0x0 to send fc draft and post on agenda
[00:56] <meetingology> ACTION: Effenberg0x0 to send fc draft and post on agenda
[00:57] <s-fox> bodhi_zazen floor is yours
[00:57] <bodhi_zazen> Just a few short comments on #ubuntuforums
[00:57] <bodhi_zazen> The channel is intended to be a voice for the community and a place for staff to interact
[00:57] <bodhi_zazen> It seems to be working well
[00:58] <bodhi_zazen> feel free to participate, including steering the occasional discussion of items on the FC agenda
[00:58] <bodhi_zazen> encourage discussion of community issues
[00:58] <bodhi_zazen> as staff, you are the facilitators
[00:59] <bodhi_zazen> We simply get more done, and have more community support for change if we have the discussion with the community
[00:59] <bodhi_zazen>  /end
[00:59] <cariboo907> o/
[00:59] <s-fox> cariboo907 go
[00:59] <bodhi_zazen> go cariboo907
[00:59] <cariboo907> Who is going to move the Precise sub-forum to the archive, and create a new one for QQ
[01:00] <bodhi_zazen> are you volunteering cariboo907 ?
[01:00] <cariboo907> I guess I am, it will just be a bit later this time around,
[01:01] <Effenberg0x0> Is archiving it really needed? Considering many bugs and workarounds are persistent?
[01:01] <bodhi_zazen> OK, if you need help, let us know
[01:01] <bodhi_zazen> not archiving, closing (I assume)
[01:01] <s-fox> [ACTION]  cariboo907 to handle precise and create QQ Subforum
[01:01] <meetingology> ACTION: cariboo907 to handle precise and create QQ Subforum
[01:01] <s-fox> Okay, anything else?
[01:01] <Iowan> New member message?
[01:02] <s-fox> Oh yes, can i do it this month?
[01:02] <bodhi_zazen> \o/
[01:02] <Iowan> +1
[01:02] <cariboo907> +1
[01:02] <s-fox> [ACTION] New member message -> s-fox
[01:02] <meetingology> ACTION: New member message -> s-fox
[01:02] <coffeecat> s-fox, I;m so glad! :)
[01:03] <s-fox> Anything else? not like we're running late or anything
[01:03] <s-fox> ;)
[01:03] <Iowan> done here...
[01:03] <cariboo907> that's it for me, I'm getting hungry :)
[01:03] <s-fox> i have work in 4 hours and yet to sleep
[01:03] <bodhi_zazen> getting long in the tooth
[01:03] <Iowan> eeewww
[01:03] <jacob> it's a comfortable 9pm here :3
[01:04] <moergaes> Thanks for now. Good night, everybody.
[01:04] <mhall119> east coast!
[01:04] <cariboo907> it's only 18:00 here
[01:04] <cariboo907> on the Pacific coast
[01:04] <s-fox> okay
[01:04] <coffeecat> 2 in the morning here. :(
[01:04] <jacob> good meeting all, night
[01:04] <s-fox> #endmeeting
[01:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 26 01:04:41 2012 UTC.
[01:04] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-25-23.02.moin.txt
[01:04] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-25-23.02.html
[01:04] <Effenberg0x0> Thank you guys
[01:04] <jacob> <-- jacob pretends to leave the channel but never really does
[01:04] <mhall119> g'night s-fox
[01:05] <s-fox> Can someone grab that link please ?
[01:05] <s-fox> my tablet is giving me issues
[01:05] <jacob> short link: http://j.mp/IEXiqp
[01:06] <jacob> can post to SCC if wanted
[01:06] <Iowan> (post it)
[01:07] <jacob> done
[01:07] <s-fox> Thanks jacob
[01:07] <jacob> np
[01:08] <s-fox> I am going, thanks for coming everyone
[01:08] <jacob> bye s-fox
[01:08] <oldos2er> thaanks, s-fox
[01:10] <wildmanne39> Is the floor open to questions?
[01:12] <bodhi_zazen> yes wildmanne39 , but FC members are drooping like flies -> move to #ubuntuforums
[01:13] <wildmanne39> I did thanks bodhi_zazen