[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <geser> good morning
[08:44] <mvineetmenon> when's the release??12.04??
[08:48] <Laney> mvineetmenon: please visit #ubuntu-release-party for such questions
[08:48] <mvineetmenon> @laney : ok..thx
[13:09] <bregma> do not stack stuff on top of your magic trackpad
[13:44] <ScottK> tumbleweed, bdrung: http://paste.debian.net/165459/
[13:44] <Laney> ScottK: get the distro-info-data SRU from -proposed
[13:45] <ScottK> It is a design that is idiotic beyond belief to crash in this case.
[13:45] <ScottK> I will.
[13:45] <tumbleweed> ScottK: we don't really have any better solution to the problem
[13:46] <tumbleweed> either it fails with an error
[13:46] <ScottK> Why should pbuilder-dist precise update not work today just like it did yesterday?
[13:46] <tumbleweed> or it assumes that the last release it knows about is still the devel release. But we know that it isn't
[13:46] <ScottK> It doesn't matter what the devel release is.
[13:46] <ScottK> I told it which one I wanted.
[13:46] <StevenK> There is no devel release currently.
[13:47] <ScottK> That too.
[13:47] <tumbleweed> clearly the problem here is
[13:47] <tumbleweed>     if self.target_distro == UbuntuDistroInfo().devel():
[13:47] <tumbleweed> because we only have forward mappings not reverse...
[13:47] <tumbleweed> but the general problem of what to do when the data is out of date is often: fail
[13:50] <ScottK> I've been thinking it was time to learn about sbuild anyway.
[13:50] <tumbleweed> :)
[13:51] <tumbleweed> and in the last few days I've been thinking that I need to fix the worst of these cases. Mark is getting less and less timely with his name announcements
[14:46] <Rhonda> Hmm, what's the Q
[14:47] <Rhonda> quetzal …  now trying to figure out how long I need to be able to type that properly.  Quicker than oneiric or slower …
[14:48] <tumbleweed> quantal is the word you need to type
[14:49] <Rhonda> oh, right
[14:49] <Rhonda> quantalamera?
[14:50] <tumbleweed> heh
[14:51]  * Rhonda suddenly has some mariachis before her eyes :)
[14:53] <Rhonda> Noone wants to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?  :)
[14:54] <EvilResistance> update how?
[14:54] <EvilResistance> :P
[14:54] <highvoltage> Rhonda: perhaps they did and they're just waiting for it to save? #ubuntuwikislowness ;)
[14:54] <Rhonda> precise from "to be released" to "released"? :)
[14:54] <EvilResistance> the wiki can be pretty slow actually
[14:55]  * Rhonda tries to do herself
[14:55] <EvilResistance> tbph i could probably *try* to edit, but i'm lazy :P
[14:55] <highvoltage> Rhonda: oops, me too :)
[14:55]  * EvilResistance also doesnt have any special role, and might be blocked
[14:55] <highvoltage> Rhonda: well, saved :)
[14:55] <Rhonda> highvoltage, you'll beat me to it, I'm not even logged in yet ;)
[14:55] <EvilResistance> question now
[14:55] <EvilResistance> do you even need "to be released"
[14:56] <EvilResistance> (probably, but with nothting there it makes the page look... weird might be the word)
[14:56] <Rhonda> Yes, I use it to follow the link to the release information for the next one :)
[14:56] <Rhonda> … highvoltage could have added quantal below instead :)
[14:57]  * highvoltage is on it
[14:57] <highvoltage> (just finding the exact dates)
[14:57] <Rhonda> Just put "TBA"
[14:57] <Laney> and kill maverick?
[14:57] <Rhonda> Ah, right, should update packages.ubuntu.com me thinks  :)
[14:58] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: these were what I could determine: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/distro-info-data.git;a=commitdiff;h=89022e2351ec3cd60c457c2b3436b74d54d7ac84 (dates)
[14:58] <EvilResistance> Laney:  you mean on the main page, remove the maverick row?
[14:58] <Laney> yes
[14:59] <highvoltage> done and done
[14:59] <EvilResistance> Laney:  has the dev schedule for Quantal been published yet?
[14:59] <Rhonda> shouldn't hardy moved on the /Releases page to EOLed?
[14:59] <Laney> a draft
[15:00] <Rhonda> Ah, no, april 2013
[15:00] <EvilResistance> hardy for servers, yes.
[15:00] <Rhonda> Yep, Laney, maverick killed
[15:01] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule is where the draft is, fwiw
[15:02] <EvilResistance> i take it thath backporting from Precise still works (if I can show the package to backport builds, runs, installs, uninstalls correctly on the release being backported to)?
[15:02] <Laney> yes
[15:03] <Laney> and reverse-depends too
[15:03] <Rhonda> I think I'll postpone the changes to the packages site for now.
[15:03] <Rhonda> Laney: Btw backports, wesnoth 1.10.2 upcoming  ;)
[15:03]  * Laney is registering precise-backports now
[15:04] <EvilResistance> Laney:  reverse depends in which context?  that the dependencies for the package that exist in say, Precise, must also exist in, say, Oneiric, and not cause significant breakage?
[15:04] <EvilResistance> s/significant breakage/breakage/
[15:04] <tumbleweed> you don't register them when the release name is announced?
[15:07] <Laney> nah
[15:07] <Laney> you think someone might hijack the name?
[15:07] <tumbleweed> it's possible. But you've got the lp admins on your side :)
[15:09] <EvilResistance> Laney:  what do i need to worry about with the rdeps?
[15:09] <Laney> that they work with the new package
[15:09] <EvilResistance> apart from rdeps not existing on the release the package is being backported to
[15:09] <EvilResistance> ah, of course :P
[15:10] <EvilResistance> i know that the package in question (ZNC) when it was backported to ONeiric from Precise/sid and its rdeps worked
[15:10]  * EvilResistance will confirm with the latest version of ZNC from Precise in an Oneiric env
[16:11] <bobweaver> hello there I am trying to fix a bug for dwww the bug is here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dwww/+bug/988937   my question is I am playing with the Makefile for the .desktop file and was wondering what is the correct value for a icon dir ? Here is Makefile well one of them   http://paste.ubuntu.com/947578/ thanks for your time.
[16:42] <bobweaver> Ok so I fixed the error where to upload too ?
[16:42] <bobweaver> or push sorry
[16:42] <bobweaver> I keep getting error bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/dwww/": : Cannot create branch at '/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/dwww'          <~~ I am sure that that is not the right place
[16:44] <astraljava> bobweaver: If you don't have permissions for that project, you can push into your own branch and suggest a merge proposal.
[16:44] <bobweaver> thanks astraljava
[17:07] <bobweaver>  \o/ it worked  now just to try to merge :)
[17:12] <jtaylor> can we already sync stuff to quantal?
[17:12] <jtaylor> for security
[17:13] <Laney> it'll be easiest to just wait
[17:13] <micahg> jtaylor: not open yet
[17:13] <Laney> but i think technically it would go to unapproved
[17:14] <jtaylor> its more to make sure that the precise version gets superseeded by quantal
[17:14] <jtaylor> but ubuntu0.12.04.1 should be fine
[17:14] <Laney> why is that time critical?
[17:14] <micahg> not sure if there's a way to test build yet :)
[17:15] <bobweaver> that was my next question how, long till I install alpha Quantal  aka when will alpha be here ?
[17:15] <bobweaver> Is there a mailing list for that ?
[17:16] <jtaylor> ubuntu-devel
[17:16] <Laney> -announce
[17:17] <bobweaver> thanks again jtaylor  I am turning into a skipping recored with that
[17:17] <bobweaver> need to make alais :)
[20:32] <pabelanger> So, packages for precise go through the -proposed process now, right?
[20:32] <pabelanger> s/package/bugs/
[20:32] <pabelanger> bug 989205
[20:32] <micahg> pabelanger: yes
[20:33] <pabelanger> micahg: cool, just confirming.  THanks
[20:46] <jtaylor> pabelanger: there was another asterisk dsa from debian with several quite serious issues, can you take care of them?
[20:47] <jtaylor> 2460-1
[20:49] <pabelanger> jtaylor: Ya, I can see what is need to do for the other branches of ubuntu.  A FFE for asterisk was recently done, which should address these issues
[23:37] <nixternal> distro_info.DistroDataOutdated: Distribution data outdated   <- anyone with an idea of why I am getting that with pbuilder-precise let me know
[23:37] <nixternal> it worked a few days ago
[23:54] <ajmitch> nixternal: I heard word of a 0-day SRU to fix distro-info
[23:54] <nixternal> yeah, ScottK already told me
[23:55]  * ajmitch is just too slow :)
[23:56] <nixternal> old age does that to you
[23:57] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i am in the backports keyring. i will do the backport once i fully recovered from the hard drive failure