[10:29] <lifeless> mwhudson: are you on the ubuntu-nz mailing list ?
[19:26] <Atamira> morning on this wet friday morning
[19:27] <lifeless> precise is out :)
[19:29] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:35] <ibeardslee> has it hit the .nz mirrors yet?
[19:38] <ajmitch> morning
[19:54] <chilts> morning
[19:55] <chilts> woohoo for Precise :)
[19:55] <chilts> I wonder if an *.04 will come out in *.05 sometime
[19:55] <chilts> there was one that was 6 weeks late one time, wasn't there?
[20:05] <ajmitch> dapper became 6.06
[20:09] <ajmitch> must be time to start working on quantal quetzal now :)
[20:45] <ibeardslee> I've been upgrading from archive.ubuntu.com for the last couple of weeks .. so there were just 14 packages upgraded this morning
[20:46] <chilts> ahhh, classic : http://imgur.com/gtXgp
[20:49] <ojwb> morning
[20:49]  * ajmitch should see if there's anything to upgrade
[20:53] <ajmitch> slowest part is apt-get update
[20:53] <ajmitch>  5,784 B/s 12min 36s
[21:02] <ibeardslee> yeah that'd be getting hammered
[21:26] <mwhudson> lifeless: yes
[21:26] <mwhudson> morning
[21:51] <mwhudson> oops, i forgot to camp in #ubuntu-release-party this time around
[21:52] <ajmitch> I was in there for awhile, but didn't really feel like sticking around
[21:52] <mwhudson> you certainly don't want to read it :-)
[21:53] <ajmitch> "are we there yet??"
[21:54] <ojwb> hmm, i'm tempted to create an Ubuntu derivative called Ubik
[21:54] <ojwb> then this release can be Perky Pat
[21:55] <ojwb> it does seem a lot of work for a slightly obscure scifi reference though
[21:57] <mwhudson> maybe you can change your name to horselover fat first?
[21:57] <mwhudson> (that is the right reference, isn't it?)
[21:57] <ojwb> yes
[22:02] <mwhudson> ah, ubik isn't one of the valis novels, so it's not quite the right reference
[22:02]  * mwhudson tries to remember if he's actually read ubik
[22:06] <ojwb> apparently you can't remember it wholesale
[22:06] <mwhudson> :)
[22:06] <mwhudson> i have read that one
[22:06]  * ojwb has, but not for 20 years probably
[22:06] <ojwb> 18 maybe
[22:09] <mwhudson> ubik's wikipedia summary seems pretty unfamiliar
[22:09] <mwhudson> but reminds me that pkd was pretty messed up
[22:16] <ojwb> yes
[22:48] <thomi> hmm, so whiule using unsquashfs, I see this error printed out:L
[22:48] <thomi> write_xattr: failed to write xattr security.capability for file working/extracted-squashfs/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon because a weird error occurred
[22:48] <thomi> *slow claps*
[22:49] <ajmitch> "a weird error" - very technical
[22:58] <thomi> ajmitch: here's a question for you:
[22:59] <thomi> Is there a way to generate a diff of all files changed in an ubuntu package ver X->Y?  The package is a python app, and I want to know what was changed
[22:59] <thomi> ...without going though all the apt-src nonsense
[22:59]  * thomi wants an "apt-diff" command
[22:59] <ajmitch> heh
[23:00] <thomi> I guess that's a "no" then
[23:00] <ajmitch> well there's only really debdiff
[23:00] <thomi> ooh.
[23:00] <ajmitch> which will compare source files
[23:00] <thomi> oh
[23:00] <thomi> ok
[23:00] <ajmitch> so you'd run 'debdiff X.dsc Y.dsc'
[23:01] <thomi> hmmm... ok, another stupid Q: how do I get a src package downloaded?
[23:01] <thomi> ahh, nvm
[23:01] <ojwb> apt-get source ...
[23:01] <thomi> I knew that
[23:01] <ojwb> that'll unpack it too
[23:01] <thomi> :-/
[23:01] <ojwb> there may be an option not to, never looked
[23:02] <thomi> I'll just use diff on the extracted files then
[23:05] <thomi> hmmm, are older versions of a package purged from the download servers straight away?
[23:05] <ajmitch> thomi: yes
[23:05] <thomi> ok, so what do I need to do to get an older version of a package?
[23:06] <ajmitch> depends if LP has purged it, what's the package?
[23:06] <thomi> ibus
[23:06] <thomi> current is 1.4.1, I need to get the source for 1.4.0
[23:07] <ajmitch> looks like it's gone
[23:07] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+publishinghistory says the last 1.4.0 version was removed from disk
[23:07] <ajmitch> you might be able to get the version from the bzr branch
[23:07] <thomi> nooooooo
[23:07] <thomi> ok, thanks anyway
[23:08] <thomi> I'll do this the hard way
[23:08] <ajmitch> each version should be tagged in lp:ubuntu/ibus
[23:08] <ojwb> if the debian package is close enough, you could get that from snapshot.debian.org
[23:10] <ajmitch> there look to be a few patches in ubuntu, so the branch might be the best option
[23:10] <thomi> gah - even worse, the changes I need to look at involve a rename, which makes the diffs useless
[23:10] <ajmitch> win
[23:11] <ojwb> can't you tell debdiff about renamed files?
[23:11] <ojwb> hmm, maybe not for source diffing
[23:12] <thomi> it's OK, I just need to do it manually, can;'t rely on the VCS diffs
[23:13] <ajmitch> ok
[23:13] <ajmitch> sorry to not be of much help
[23:13] <thomi> :)