[01:32] <bazhang> looks like Ubuxubu is going to be his usual helpful self
[02:05] <bazhang> heh nice retort
[02:05] <pangolin> :)
[02:08] <bazhang> * Tasmania is now known as USA
[02:46] <elky> really now
[05:43] <shpeka> set me a K-line please
[05:46] <tsimpson> shpeka: I don't believe staff do requests, but this wouldn't be the place to ask anyway
[05:47] <shpeka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgXJbJeRxHo
[07:41] <Tm_T> hi cdm10, how can we help you?
[07:56] <jussi> err, what is twobottux...
[09:42] <applebloom> ubuntu 10.10 is the one without unity right?
[09:43] <Tm_T> applebloom: perhaps, but it's also a release that isn't supported anymore, why asking?
[09:43] <applebloom> for one i hate unity :/
[09:43] <Myrtti> use Xubuntu then.
[09:43] <applebloom> what's that?
[09:43] <jussi> or KDE
[09:44] <applebloom> naw don't like kde either
[09:44] <MrChrisDruif> applebloom; 10.04 is still supported and you could try different flavors or make your own install with something you DO like
[09:44] <applebloom> i like gnome 2 the way it used to be
[09:44] <MrChrisDruif> Or Lubuntu
[09:44] <Unit193> Or build from mini.
[09:44] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; that's what I said
[09:44] <applebloom> 10.04 is supported but not 10.10?
[09:44] <Myrtti> applebloom: too bad Gnome 2 is dead. Anything else you need help with?
[09:45] <applebloom> gnome 3 is just awful
[09:45] <Myrtti> applebloom: 10.04 is LTS, it's supported for one more year.
[09:45] <Myrtti> applebloom: you do know what channel you're on?
[09:45] <applebloom> yes yes, but it doesn't mean i have to like gnome 3 does it?
[09:45] <applebloom> because i don't
[09:47] <Myrtti> this is the Ubuntu Ops channel
[09:47] <Myrtti> not #ubuntu. You're banned from there
[09:47] <Myrtti> do you know why?
[09:47] <applebloom> not really
[09:47] <applebloom> i'm at a college though
[09:47] <applebloom> probably one of the other kids banned the ip
[09:47] <Myrtti> because #ubuntu isn't for rants
[09:48] <applebloom> this is where it sent me :/
[09:48] <applebloom> anyway, okay i'm downloading 10.04
[09:48] <applebloom> but it's 10.04.X Desktop
[09:48] <applebloom> does that matter?
[09:48] <applebloom> X = xserver?
[09:52] <applebloom> :/
[09:52] <applebloom> Myrtti, well can you unban me in the other channel?
[09:52] <Myrtti> no.
[09:52] <applebloom> um why?
[09:52] <Myrtti> because I don't see the benefit
[09:52] <applebloom> for you?
[09:53] <applebloom> i don't know what you mean by that Myrtti
[09:53] <Myrtti> would you explain what exactly would you ask or do in #ubuntu?
[09:53] <applebloom> i'm going to try to get 10.04 running and my nvidia graphics drivers installed that i've been trying to do for the past 5 hours now if you don't mind
[09:54] <applebloom> actually going on 6 hours now
[09:54] <applebloom> probably some post installation questions too
[09:56] <applebloom> Myrtti, are you there?
[09:59] <applebloom> i'll be back if 10.4 works
[10:10] <applebloom> Myrtti, are you at the keys?
[10:10] <applebloom> i have some problems already
[10:10] <applebloom> anybody?
[10:23] <Myrtti> hm.
[10:24] <Myrtti> the ban is removed, but anything questionable and you're back in square one.
[10:26] <LjL> Ben64 is on a line
[10:28] <LjL> Ben64: i think i can speak for everyone here when i say we're sick and tired of the same story each release, where people like you will insist *in the wrong channel* about the release being out when it's not been announced. of COURSE, it's going to be released today, so they're preparing the release and setting up the servers. duh. that's obvious, isn't it? yet it's out when it's announced, not before
[10:28] <Ben64> but it literally is out and downloadable and installable now
[10:29] <Tm_T> Ben64: this is not up to debate, it's released _when_ release announcement is made, not before
[10:29] <Ben64> all the links to the beta go to the final release
[10:29] <Myrtti> and there might be last minute changes to the image that will be rsynced into it
[10:29] <LjL> Ben64: which part of "preparing the release and setting up the servers"...?
[10:29] <Myrtti> and you announcing it's out when it's not
[10:29] <LjL> Ben64: maybe it's out for YOU
[10:29] <LjL> Ben64: go ahead, download it, use it
[10:29] <Myrtti> makes the servers just that much more under strain.
[10:30] <LjL> Ben64: but stop feeling the #ubuntu channel with non-support cruft
[10:30] <LjL> filling, even
[10:30] <Ben64> everyone keeps asking about it so i tell them the truth
[10:30] <pangolin> but you aren't
[10:30] <LjL> Ben64: redirect them to #ubuntu-release-party or #ubuntu+1 as appropriate
[10:30] <elky> It's not the truth. Respins can happen and have happened.
[10:30] <Ben64> it doesn't say beta, the beta doesn't exist anymore
[10:31] <pangolin> in 5 minutes the release manager can decide they need another month before releasing
[10:31] <elky> That doesn't mean it's the final release. That means it's a spin they thought might be, but nobody is sure until the release manager declares it.
[10:31] <elky> I don't think you realise how long it takes to preseed hundreds of mirrors
[10:32] <Ben64> around 15 minutes
[10:32] <elky> They pre-emptively pre-seed incase it is ok, because it saves time later on.
[10:32] <elky> Ben64, LOLNO
[10:32] <elky> Your naivety is hhilarious.
[10:33] <Ben64> 700MB * 4 = 2800MB / 100mbit = <5min for the set
[10:33] <Myrtti> I can't believe we're even having this conversation
[10:33] <elky> Myrtti, I'm laughing so hard right now
[10:34] <LjL> Ben64, whatever, unless you agree to either ignore the "is it out" questions, or respond with "not officially yet" or redirect to #ubuntu-release-party or #ubuntu+1, the current ban will stay. your choice.
[10:34] <Ben64> i see 186 seeds on the torrent right now, ~20 mins after the "release"
[10:35] <Ben64> don't see why getting the isos to mirrors would be harder than that
[10:35] <Tm_T> let's not waste more time on this
[10:36] <pangolin> /msg chanserv LOCKDOWN #ubuntu* Be back in 24 hours - AFTER THE RELEASE -
[10:37] <Myrtti> oooh oooh let's do that
[10:37] <bioterror> :D
[10:37] <bioterror> happy leet 'o clock from finland! ;D
[10:38] <LjL> better leet than never
[10:41] <jussi> lol
[10:52] <jiltdil> I was banned by ikonia in ubuntu. I just give the ubuntu download link and he banned me. Why ??? This should be not the reason for banned. Please tell me how to join ubuntu
[10:52] <pangolin> because you gave a link to something that is not released
[10:52] <ikonia> and you where in the channel when it was explained many times that it is NOT released.
[10:53] <jiltdil> But i just found it on ubuntu website?
[10:53] <ikonia> no, you found what you think is a release.
[10:53] <ikonia> you don't know what it is, what it's therefor
[10:53] <jiltdil> ikonia, ok sorry  please uban me.
[10:53] <ikonia> you are not canonical, you are not the release manager, you don't know what's going on
[10:53] <ikonia> no
[10:54] <ikonia> you can wait until after the release.
[10:54] <ikonia> the ban will auto remove once the release is offically out
[10:54] <jiltdil> oh please , i used to come here to see the questions asked by people so i can learn from the questions
[10:55] <jiltdil> And due to your ban i am also unable to see the asked questions :(
[10:55] <ikonia> great, you'll start learning again tomorrow,
[10:55] <ikonia> see you after the release.
[10:55] <knome> the logs are online
[10:55] <jiltdil> :(
[10:56] <ikonia> you're welcome back in the channel 24 hours from now
[10:57] <Daviey> hey.. has #ubuntu-release-announce not been opened ?
[10:57] <ikonia> jiltdil: please leave this channel now
[10:57] <ikonia> Daviey: good point
[10:58] <ikonia> I guess not
[10:58] <jiltdil> ikonia,  Ok Sorry and Thanks
[10:58] <ikonia> no problem, bye
[10:59] <ikonia> I'd like it open, it's much nicer than release party
[10:59] <Myrtti> is it +m?
[10:59] <Daviey> Who can open it?
[10:59] <ikonia> council/staff
[11:00] <Myrtti> I need tea
[11:00] <Daviey> AlanBell: around? :)
[11:00] <AlanBell> yes
[11:01] <Daviey> AlanBell: fancy opening the channel?
[11:01] <Daviey> #ubuntu-releasea-announce
[11:02] <pangolin> #ubuntu-releaseafood-announce
[11:02] <Daviey> gah
[11:04] <AlanBell> ah right, it is invite only
[11:04] <pangolin> only the cool people get to be there
[11:05] <pangolin> Daviey: we are not cool
[11:05] <Tm_T> only cool and young /:
[11:09] <Daviey> :'(
[11:54] <jrib> ah looks like we're in for a quick release today... nice
[11:55] <Myrtti> still no email...
[11:55] <ikonia> it's on the main site, nothing more can be done
[11:57] <Myrtti> my theory is that someone was sitting in the CMS with mouse cursor on the publish button and sneezed.
[12:03] <bazhang> heh thats a first
[12:07] <Myrtti> uuuer
[12:07] <Myrtti> the email is there
[12:08] <ikonia> what a great release from an enterprise business
[12:10] <ikonia> is it worth clearing +1
[12:10] <ikonia> and putting it back to invite
[12:11] <Myrtti> can I mute PartyBot?
[12:11] <AlanBell> go ahead
[12:11] <bazhang> or get LjL to change its message
[12:20] <AlanBell> !11.10
[12:20] <AlanBell> !11.04
[12:21] <Pici> !precise
[12:21] <AlanBell> !no 11.10 is <reply> Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) was the fifteenth release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1110
[12:21] <Pici> augh
[12:21] <AlanBell> !11.10
[12:22] <AlanBell> !no 12.04 is <reply> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is the current release of Ubuntu.  Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1204
[12:22] <AlanBell> !precise
[12:22] <Pici> nono
[12:23] <AlanBell> what?
[12:23] <AlanBell> do those ones not work like that
[12:23] <Pici> All the release number factoids were aliases....
[12:24] <Pici> I'll clean it up in a pm with ubottu, too much noise if I do it here.
[12:24] <Pici> :)
[12:24] <AlanBell> oh ok
[12:24] <AlanBell> I thought they were aliases to the number
[12:25] <Pici> Maybe someday we'll fix that, but for whatever reason they're all aliased to the adjective.
[12:25] <AlanBell> ok
[12:28] <Pici> jussi, tsimpson, ts2: could we please get the config values for curLTS/curStable updated? I don't have sufficient access to do that.
[12:33] <Tm_T> releasenotes doesn't load, meh
[12:35] <jussi> right, think thats done
[12:35] <Pici> no releasenotes is <reply> Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes
[12:37] <Pici> Tm_T: I updated the short url
[12:38] <Pici> jussi: looks good
[12:38] <Tm_T> thanks
[13:03] <Pici> !final =~ s/Discussion.*//
[13:20] <Pici> !no isitout is <reply> Yes, Ubuntu 12.04 was released on April 26th, the official announcement can be read at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000159.html, download it at www.ubuntu.com
[13:20] <Pici> okay, time to get back to the job that pays me...
[14:30] <Pici> !info linux
[14:30] <Pici> jussi, tsimpson: we forgot to update !info
[14:31] <jussi> Pici: yeha, that takes a little longer, but Ill get to it in the next few days if tsimpson doesnt beat me to it
[17:15] <Pici> sigh
[17:16] <Pici> ogra has informed me (and I've confirmed from data in #ubuntu-release) that if someone wants to upgrade to 12.04 from 10.04, they need to use the -d switch.
[17:16] <Pici> for do-release-upgrade
[17:16] <Pici> Only once we hit 12.04.1 will that not be needed.
[17:17] <Myrtti> hasn't that been the way since ... forever?
[17:18] <Pici> has it?
[17:19] <tonyyarusso> I don't think so
[17:22] <Myrtti> I have a faint recollection that was how it was two years ago
[17:22] <tonyyarusso> That was a dream
[19:11] <Pici> LjL: thanks, was just trying to read their scrollback
[19:11] <LjL> both were silly
[20:15] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu thebigbangass Troll
[22:58] <bazhang> smallfoot- seems to think being banned in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic makes it ok to rant in +1
[22:59] <smallfoot-> hi
[22:59] <bazhang> hi
[22:59] <smallfoot-> i have no place to go
[23:00] <smallfoot-> ppl dont want me to talk in #ubuntu+1 cuz its for the next ubuntu talk
[23:00] <bazhang> smallfoot-, why were you banned in those channels
[23:00] <smallfoot-> but i cant goto #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic, cuz im ban
[23:00] <smallfoot-> i dont know
[23:00] <smallfoot-> i dont remember
[23:00] <smallfoot-> i was banned from there liek 100 years ago
[23:00] <bazhang> smallfoot-, the usual complaining/ranting offtopic chat
[23:01] <smallfoot-> yeh, i get so angry that my ubuntu has firefox 11, and everyone else have firefox 12
[23:01] <bazhang> smallfoot-, and people point out solutions, but you don't listen
[23:01] <smallfoot-> well i want you to put them in the update manger so they come to my cmputer automatically
[23:02] <bazhang> then add the PPA
[23:02] <smallfoot-> oh, i didnt know there was a ppa
[23:02] <smallfoot-> also i get angry on 9999 other things
[23:02] <smallfoot-> liek the ubuntu guys didnt put Desura in repo, so now i cant play games
[23:03] <bazhang> smallfoot-, that's not appropriate for ubuntu channels
[23:03] <smallfoot-> and valve is making steam for linux, but when it comes, i prolly has to wait liek 3 year before it comes
[23:04] <bazhang> !guidelines | smallfoot- read these please
[23:04] <bazhang> !codeofconduct | smallfoot- and this too
[23:06] <smallfoot-> can i give moneys to ubuntu?
[23:06] <smallfoot-> and will it buy hamburgers or make good code?
[23:06] <bazhang> smallfoot-, did you read all those links?
[23:07] <smallfoot-> ya, cuz ppl told them to me before many times lol
[23:08] <bazhang> smallfoot-, so why are you asking those questions here? you need to read those and agree to them before we would consider lifting your bans
[23:08] <smallfoot-> ok i agree!!
[23:08] <smallfoot-> can you take away bans now?
[23:38] <bazhang> smallfoot-, please take a moment to read those links
[23:53] <smallfoot-> i will never be unbanded from ubuntu channels :(
[23:54] <IdleOne> smallfoot-: not until you follow the instructions bazhang is giving you
[23:55] <smallfoot-> :(
[23:55] <smallfoot-> plz i been banned for liek a year
[23:55] <smallfoot-> check my ban date
[23:55] <smallfoot-> its llike 2009 or something
[23:55] <smallfoot-> idk
[23:55] <smallfoot-> its friggin long time
[23:56] <IdleOne> smallfoot-: have you read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines ?
[23:56] <IdleOne> Do you understand the guidelines?
[23:57] <smallfoot-> kinda
[23:58] <smallfoot-> i dont flood or do public away msg or stuf liek that
[23:58] <smallfoot-> i always speak english and dont abuse !ops trigger
[23:58] <smallfoot-> and dont abuse bots
[23:58] <smallfoot-> and i dont have talkin scripts
[23:58] <IdleOne> you do tend to be off topic though
[23:58] <smallfoot-> uhm
[23:58] <smallfoot-> yeah idk
[23:59] <smallfoot-> maybe
[23:59] <smallfoot-> but its not my fault
[23:59] <IdleOne> sure it is
[23:59] <IdleOne> you're the one typing
[23:59] <smallfoot-> yeah, but but something happens then i must say it in the ubuntu channel if its bout ubuntu
[23:59] <smallfoot-> example i only have firefox 11 and not firefox 12, then i get angry