[00:12] hey there!! [01:05] http://twitter.com/#!/jmacdonald/status/195184740209401856/photo/1 \o/ [01:21] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17842926 [01:22] lolz [01:22] 15p tx fee wat? [01:22] "He noted that all personal details, pin codes, passwords and other financial data were held on remote central servers rather than on the mobile device." [01:22] yes that sounds like a good idea [03:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/988665 [03:35] Ubuntu bug 988665 in Ayatana Design "can't see which files i have open with multimonitor due to titlebar/top panel stuff" [Undecided,New] [03:35] anyone want to take a crack at explaining that better than i have? [04:53] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17836380 [04:53] "some attendees claimed the scenes looked like low-budget TV." [04:53] that's because he's using 48 FPS! [04:53] which is close to TV framerate [04:54] you see that effect even if you watch movies on a new upscaling TV [04:54] i was saying that the other day... it makes star wars look like doctor who from the 70s [04:55] once you get over it thought, it is much more immersive to watch [05:39] morning [05:40] ali1234: will blueray support full HD at 48fps? [05:40] yes [05:41] huh [05:41] As long as they can keep it <128GB [05:41] i thought this might be a way to try to get people to go to the cinema [05:41] rather than pirate or wait for home release [05:41] Hm [05:42] According to the current spec, bluray has a max frame rate of 24 [05:42] or 29.97 interlaced [05:42] Or almost 60fps in 720p [05:42] But the standard is flexible, they could add it [06:21] Morning all, how do I unbreak my Unity Desktop? Stupid me was trying to change some of the default features using CCSM and somehow managed to kill it. I boots and loads the wallpaper but no launcher or top bar :-( I can log in with Unity 2D though. [06:21] Is the a .dir in my home I can just delete? [06:21] hi [06:46] Morning all, how do I unbreak my Unity Desktop (12.04)? Stupid me was trying to change some of the default features using CCSM and somehow managed to kill it. I boots and loads the wallpaper but no launcher or top bar :-( I can log in with Unity 2D though. (Tried removing .compiz-1 and .cache/compiz-config-1) but still the same. [07:06] morning all [07:13] TheOpenSourcerer: unity --reset & [07:13] TheOpenSourcerer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/70572/reset-unity-and-gnome-to-default-values [07:13] morning [07:13] oh i already said that [07:13] Morning [07:13] choo choo [07:15] Thanks --reset seemes to have done the trick. [07:15] Now - how do I stop windows being made full height, 1/2 width when I drag them to the side? I want to drag them to the next desktop instead. [07:22] TheOpenSourcerer: in ccsm in the grid plugin on the edges tab turn off left edge and right edge [07:24] Morningall [07:26] G'morning! === chalced is now known as chalcedony [07:30] Dragging around the cube fails badly. [07:30] it isn't great is it [07:31] I can drag it, then it disappears back to the orginal desktop :-( [07:32] keep dragging [07:32] it is just about 1000 pixels offset from the cursor [07:32] ha ha ha [07:32] Hmm, bit sucky that. [07:33] you are not supposed to be adapting it to the way you want it, you are supposed to stick to the defaults :) [07:33] and it was designed by someone who doesn't like the cube [07:33] Another thing I noticed that is quite annoying. A maximised window loses the right click options so I can't say "Move to workspace x" unless it is not maximised :-( [07:34] it has only been tested with the wall plugin really, they nearly dropped CCSM just so that people would stop reporting bugs about compiz plugins [07:34] TheOpenSourcerer: ctrl+alt+shift+arrow [07:34] * TheOpenSourcerer tries to contort his fingers [07:35] TheOpenSourcerer: you're allowed to use 2 hands ;) [07:35] No. I keep the other one for something else ;-) [07:35] morning fellow linux lovers :D anyone from Scotland at-all? [07:36] MartijnVdS: does that move windows between monitors? [07:36] there really should be a "Cynics guide to unity" [07:36] with an apostrope, obviously [07:36] BigRedS: it moves windows between workspaces [07:36] Ah! Oh yeah [07:36] I am just trying to set it up so it works "for me"(tm) [07:36] I use that all the time... [07:36] (it does what ctrl+alt+arrow does, but the currently active window moves along with it) [07:37] yeah, I've just noticed that's some firmly-ingrained muscle memory [07:37] Morning Linuxsapien Pretty sure thee is a few from scotland around [07:39] DJones no doubts :D thanks [07:42] Morning [07:44] morning daubers [07:45] g'morning! [07:47] ya big dauber! [07:50] Whose going to the party tonight then? [07:52] * BigRedS raises hand [07:52] also, I've got a Gnome3 t-shirt on :) [07:53] party??? Where's this? [07:54] Linuxsapien: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/ [07:55] shame its down there :( [07:55] There's nothing to stop you having one where you are. [07:56] i live in a little village.... [07:56] a solo party? :) [07:59] Why not? [07:59] morning all [08:18] G'morning! === Daviey_ is now known as Daviey [08:28] Good morning peeps :) [08:28] Is it out yet? [08:30] Waitangi looks like a better country for Canonical [08:30] nearly a day ahead of alaska [08:32] Happy release day, folks! [08:33] What is the SMTP of choice these days? exim? [08:36] postfix? [08:40] postfix [08:41] Why postfix over exim? [08:41] exim is already installed by default === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [08:54] Hmm, London could get a bit messy later: (Via Twitter): [08:54] BREAKING: Bakerloo Line tunnel has collapsed at Embankment. From staff on the ground. No word on casualties yet. [08:55] TheOpenSourcerer: eh where is that ? [08:55] What? Embankment? [08:55] Oh my [08:55] TheOpenSourcerer: the news breaking [08:56] czajkowski: https://twitter.com/#!/marcashdown/status/195431745502457856 [08:56] oh eek [08:56] * dwatkins texts a friend in London to check she's okay [08:57] oh no [08:57] yeah, they told us on the train on the way in that there was a problem [08:57] didnt say it was that [08:57] http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.html [08:57] And the maintenance people are on strike :/ [08:57] "Suspended between Piccadilly Circus and Elephant and Castle due to an obstruction in tunnel at Embankment. Severe delays on the rest of the line." [08:58] wow [08:58] !! [08:59] EEK [08:59] That'll delay the 12.04 release [08:59] apparently it is a minor incident (nobody hurt) [08:59] DJones: All that to delay a release [09:00] AlanBell: yeah "Ambulance was not necessary" tweets are showing up [09:00] Re smtp: re-configured exim4-config to be connected directly to the internet and everything just works :) [09:00] I blame Apple [09:00] TheOpenSourcerer: my mate is coming tomorrow [09:00] will be in farnham for 6pm [09:01] Excellent. [09:04] http://www.itv.com/news/london/ [09:04] AlanBell / MartijnVdS - glad to hear it [09:05] so the incident was blown out of all proportion? [09:06] dwatkins: It takes one person to tweet a misunderstood announcement ... [09:06] MartijnVdS: indeed [09:07] Just goes to show how news spreads like wildfire [09:07] this reminds me, I should watch that TV show about the Tube [09:08] that's a great series [09:08] the BBC one, you mean [09:08] why does it seem we require to do a fresh install to upgrade to latest distro? [09:09] we don't [09:09] unless you are running windows that is [09:09] mint only [09:10] err, well yeah, I guess to upgrade mint to Ubuntu 12.04 would probably be best with a fresh install [09:10] I sometimes do a fresh install, so I clear my desktop and other places of unwanted files :-) Then I pull back the ones that find I need afterwards. [09:11] so I do require to do a fresh install, as the apt way screwed up as expected [09:12] What exactly are you running Linuxsapien? [09:12] mint != ubuntu [09:16] toffee apple != apple [09:16] Linuxsapien: well yes, you will need to do a fresh install because you are not doing an upgrade you are changing operating systems [09:17] Right, really fed up w volume control issues now [09:17] im no changing nothing, im mint, and always will be mint [09:17] since my last dist-upgrade (I think) my volume control in gnome (keyboard buttons) yield either mute or 100% volume [09:18] the screen overlay pops up and shows what is set but the actual sound is either on fully or off [09:20] !mint [09:20] Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org [09:20] Linuxsapien: well if mint have got broken upgrades then that is a shame for mint [09:21] ah well, Ill just leave it [09:21] its not broken (yet) [09:23] What's the actual problem,out of curiosity, Linuxsapien? [09:23] * Linuxsapien scrolls up [09:24] there is no problem, I just wanted to see what the latest was like [09:24] the latest what? Ubuntu? [09:25] ACHT!!!! [09:25] The latest eight? [09:25] * AlanBell is confused [09:25] haha [09:25] I sense a lack of logical thought. [09:25] release day is amusing [09:26] it is [09:26] you can run a liveCD or USB of ubuntu without breaking other operating systems you might have installed [09:26] That was fun [09:27] morning all === hoover_ is now known as hoover [09:27] Hi hoovie [09:28] hey biggie [09:28] I'm tearing my hair out trying to get a locally download jre / firefox 12 combo to work.... HELP ;) [09:28] good morning everyone. [09:28] * dwatkins wonders if it was an attempt at trolling [09:28] i expect it was misunderstanding [09:28] doesn't the old "create a plugins dir and symlink the plugin" method work anymore? [09:29] No matter where I put the symlink, no "java" under about:plugins [09:31] Is java in the runtime path? [09:31] See youz all later at the PARTY! :-D [09:31] I've not had this problem before. Java just works [09:31] hum, another web service got my password stolen, i really need a better solution for passwords [09:33] Any ideas of what time the new version of ubuntu will hit the servers? [09:33] just download the RC [09:33] by now it's hardly different to the release [09:33] BigRedS: Ok =] [09:33] and this way you get to not download it at the same time as half a gazillion other people :) [09:34] BigRedS: =] I hope my parents can understand unity. They're on the last gnome2 release of ubuntu at the moment [09:34] One way to find out :) [09:34] =] [09:35] kvarley: if they struggle, you could install xubuntu-desktop. XFCE is fairly gnome2 like [09:36] bigcalm: Yup, that was my plan. Thanks for the suggestion. I'm using xubuntu on my system at the moment but am hoping unity will be tweaked enough for me to run now. [09:37] I recently discovered lubuntu. It doesn't run on the 128 MB RAM suggested, but on a machine with 1 GB of RAM it runs very well. [09:37] 'light ubuntu' [09:37] kvarley: I really want to use Unity (and do so on my laptop), but it doesn't play nicely with 2 graphics cards running 3 monitors, one of which rotated 90 degrees [09:38] bigcalm: Hhmm. For me it isn't responsive enough, I'd click the dash icon and have to wait for it to load. I want my desktop to be fast and responsive - unity was far from it in previous releases. I'm hoping they've fixed it in this release. [09:39] its a lot faster [09:39] I do so wish e didn't have that irritating mouse-focus. Unity isn't that much better in that respect, although I do use it, and making the dash into a built-in keystroke launcher is good even if it seems to contradict the mouse-and-touch-orientation thing. [09:39] popey: =] [09:40] kvarley: it's very usable now. You will be pleasantly surprised how much Unity has matured [09:40] bigcalm: Ok =] I'll try it again. [09:41] bigcalm: gimmie a photo (non-blurred) of your setup [09:41] am gonna show it to one of the designers [09:42] popey: sure [09:42] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/ lots of people coming to the party \o/ [09:44] bigcalm: yep, it's in the path [09:46] Anyone else running Juniper network connect on a linux system? [09:50] All other system plugins get picked up by the standalone firefox... just not java / jre [09:50] what a fscking mess [09:51] popey: http://pushingthewrongbuttons.tumblr.com/post/21841595700/a-wee-snap-for-popey [09:51] popey: camera app is still broken on my phone, so have to use other services that use the camera to take photos :( [09:52] hoover: was a shot in the dark. Really don't know how to help you :( [09:52] nice [09:52] popey: notice that I also have 6 workspaces on each monitor [09:52] (sometimes not enough) [09:53] Unity limiting to 4 is painful [09:53] it isnt limited to 4 [09:53] you can have as many as you like in whatever layout [09:54] By default or by installing another program? [09:54] what does it matter? [09:54] you can do it [09:54] I'm not nit picking, just want to know how :) [09:54] ccsm can do it [09:55] * bigcalm takes a look [09:55] Ta [09:57] morning all happy release/slow T'interweb day [09:59] !ccsm [09:59] To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu: install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' (or 'simple-ccsm' for pre-Oneiric). If you install the latter, a new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz [09:59] Oh, I see [09:59] Hi davmor2 [09:59] Hi all. [09:59] Already shutdown the laptop, will look again later [10:00] bigcalm: what you doing with ccsm [10:00] One time I'll leave a machine un-upgraded so that I can join in the release fun [10:00] davmor2: nothing yet :) [10:00] davmor2: more than 4 work spaces [10:01] I'll probably upgrade soon. Currently only the netbook is on 12.04 [10:02] !isitoutyet [10:02] Nope! Ubuntu 12.04 is scheduled for release sometime on April 26th. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party while you're waiting! [10:02] Haha [10:02] morning davmor2 [10:03] morning MooDoo [10:03] hrm, the Canonical shop is a bit borked [10:04] all of the categories I tried are 404 [10:05] wfm [10:06] what happens if you click on the t-shirts here https://shop.canonical.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=pangolin&op=Search ? [10:06] it makes me giggle [10:06] i see a tshirt [10:07] purple ones [10:07] good old wfm [10:08] if you click on the tshirt shots the website blurs, thats cool [10:08] hoho, it works if I'm logged in [10:10] wfm [10:10] I have no login [10:10] wfm isn't very helpful [10:11] :( [10:11] Agreed [10:11] Shift refresh? [10:11] tried [10:11] Different web browser? [10:14] yep, works in chromium [10:14] le spooky [10:16] no, I spoke to soon, it does not [10:16] What actual URL is giving the 404? [10:16] Laney: wfm in firefox not logged in or logged in [10:17] from https://shop.canonical.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=pangolin&op=Search I click on a link to http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=987 and get taken to http://shop.canonical.com/HTTP_SERVER/login.php [10:18] aha, if I am logged in then the second link is to https://... and this works [10:20] Poptarts consumed. Might be able to get some work done now [10:33] So guys ruling out the awesome that is Software Center, whats everyones favourite change/part/new bit of precise? [10:34] The login background [10:34] stability [10:34] The name [10:34] it's pretty much oneiric but new-ified [10:35] I swear at Unity a good deal less than I used to. That's nice [10:36] it is the least broken unity so far [10:36] alt-tab working is nice [10:37] GHC 7.4 ^o) [10:38] * bittin^work is listning to Ubuntu UK Podcast at work :) [10:38] I still dont understand the need to be able to alt-tab to "Minimise all the windows" [10:38] but other than that, yeah, it has a habit now of actually bringing up the window I was hoping for, which is nice [10:38] which is the prtscrn command to copy just the window? alt-prtscrn is doing the whole screen [10:39] * AlanBell windows if macos has alt-tab to show desktop [10:39] mungojerry: alt-prtscr should do it [10:39] I have a really odd Get-iPlayer problem that only affects my Ubuntu install (not Fedora or XP) [10:40] hmm..bug? [10:40] mungojerry: gnome-screenshot -i if it doesn't [10:40] When I try to grab One The Wire I get this: [10:40] RTMPDump v2.3(c) 2010 Andrej Stepanchuk, Howard Chu, The Flvstreamer Team; license: GPL [10:40] ERROR: RTMP_HashSWF: couldn't contact swfurl http://www.bbc.co.uk/emp/10player.swf?revision=18269_21576 (HTTP error 301) [10:41] same version of rtmpdump? [10:41] But it grabs and encodes it in Fedora 16 and the Windows port or Get_iPlayer [10:41] Well it doesn't show in Windows and Fedora, but I'm guessing they're newer; how do I update that? [10:41] I mean there's no error message in them [10:42] The clue seems to be that's one of the very few BBC programmes still encoded in MP3 on their server [10:44] What seems to happen is - on Ubuntu it grabs the flv and transcodes it after which takes a lot longer (obviously) [10:45] has 1204 shipped? cdimage.ubuntu.com is hella slow [10:45] My problem is, I don't understand this bug well enough to report it [10:45] Has the final version of the new Ubuntu been released? [10:46] Not yet, still being finalised [10:46] I know that sounds daft, but I couldn't make a useful bug report [10:46] DJones: Thanks :) [10:46] podcast is out \o/ [10:46] http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ [10:47] AlanBell: listning :) [10:47] So I know this channel is logged and I'm mentioning it here to corroborate any other reports, where the reporter knows what he's talking about :) [10:48] mungojerry: is the app fullscreen? [10:48] * aquarius is abused in uupc. Heh. [10:48] davmor2, now [10:48] s/now/no [10:48] ☺ [10:48] I'd better listen then [10:49] I wonder there's a Get iPlayer channel [10:49] I'm very happy with the web interface for get_iplayer [10:50] mungojerry: then alt-prtscr should work, ensure you press alt first and hold it other wise it might be trying to trigger hud then when you hit prtscr it would be like you just press prtscr rather than alt-prtscr [10:50] * bigcalm pauses FSOL for some UUPC [10:50] I never knew there was one bigcalm - I'll have a look [10:51] davmor2, i have 2 screens. [10:51] get you [10:51] silner: I have this set up in my .bashrc [10:51] alias get_iplayer_web_interface="cd ~/Music/iPlayer;perl get_iplayer.cgi --port=1935 --getiplayer=/usr/bin/get_iplayer --listen=127.0.0.1" [10:51] what happens is : prtscrn - both monitors / alt-prtscrn gives full desktop screenshot of 1 monitor [10:52] Of course you'll need to find a copy of get_iplayer.cgi [10:54] Thanks bigcalm I never noticed that feature before. I'm not very observant really :) [10:54] silner: I got bored of the cli commands so looked for a web interface [10:54] can someone with 2 screens replicate the prtscrn problem? the app i was trying to screenshot was gedit [11:00] Committed revision 666. [11:00] I am so very easily amused [11:01] bigcalm: I hope you at least did something amusing with the commit message. [11:01] Darael: I didn't realise that I was at revision 665 [11:02] bigcalm: Shame. Ah, well. [11:04] Commit message just reads "The number of the beast, I fixed some stuff" [11:06] "Program now turns the user evil. Additionally, fixed bugs [blah]." [11:07] Commit message reads "Now I own you soul, muhahahahahahahaha, yours sincerely the Devil" [11:07] s/you/your === cking is now known as cking-afk [11:16] !isitoutyet [11:16] Nope! Ubuntu 12.04 is scheduled for release sometime on April 26th. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party while you're waiting! [11:20] oh dear bigcalm found a new toy [11:20] :D [11:20] heh [11:20] davmor2: only if somebody remembers to update it [11:21] I love seeing how many people as if its out yet. [11:21] s/as/ask [11:22] TBH, I don't really care that much :D [11:22] My dev servers run 12.04 already. My workstation runs 11.10 and will do until I have time to upgrade to 12.04 [11:22] My bytemark server will need to be upgraded to 12.04 at some point [11:25] We have some Mac users in here don't we ? [11:26] Friend has some photos he wants to move from PC to mac, going to lend him my usb-hdd, reckoned FS for it to work on the mac ? [11:26] Not sure macs support ntfs, best to just go fat32 ? [11:27] ntfs is fine for readonly, fat32 is fine all-round [11:28] I think I'm just going with safety, don't want to sit there to long with issues :) [11:28] fat32 it is [11:30] diplo: if it's not that many photos say under 5gb Ubuntu One it installs on both end of issue :D [11:31] 13gb unfortunately, But on that note.. they have a client for MAC now then ? [11:32] diplo: I'm sure I saw an announcement ages ago [11:32] or web upload? [11:33] diplo: Ah iphone not mac I must of seen it as just Apple Iphone and just noted the Apple bit [11:34] heh [11:35] I think he just wants a quick swapsy over, don't own/use a mac so didn't know [11:35] :) [11:35] diplo: well it's all the same thing right :D [11:35] Could have googled but with the wealth of knowledge here [11:35] Seems so nowadays [11:35] Right, better go out shopping and find my youngest a gift or three [11:35] :/ [11:36] * diplo hates shopping, especially for presents [11:50] ('is', 'it', 'out', 'yet', '?') [11:51] no [11:51] rh1zome: Invalid function "'is'," [11:56] if ('it' eq 'out') { [12:01] perl -E "while ('it' ne 'out') { say 'Is it out yet?'; }" [12:02] yay just fixed a computer :) [12:03] is Grant in here ? [12:03] Yay #ubuntu is muted. [12:03] about time. [12:04] MartijnVdS: (loop while (not (equalp it out)) do (format t "Is it out yet?)) [12:04] hmm. unmounting a drive in nautilus seems to exit nautilus - feature or bug? [12:05] It's out: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000159.html [12:05] is it out yet | it == out = is "it" "out" "yet?" [12:05] != [12:05] define it, what's it coming out of and put some constraints on yet [12:06] thymox [12:06] smittix: I notice it got muted as soon as you spoke though :) [12:07] haha [12:07] bigcalm: try your new toy again [12:07] it would appear to be out now, the announcement has been made (and someone broke ubuntu.com) [12:07] Ah, it's out. [12:08] Yay, the email arrives [12:08] DJones: I have been away ages and you go and hurt my feelings as soon as i come back. [12:08] Yeah but the downloads are errm down :/ [12:08] needs moar cloud [12:09] servers probably overloaded because the website announced the release early, so too many people tried connecting [12:09] actually it seems to be working [12:09] The poor bot still thinks it isn't. [12:10] DJones: no, not a load problem on that bit, someone changed something [12:11] Yeah looks like drupal is set to offline mode. [12:11] heh [12:11] yay now its working [12:13] 32 bit is still the "recommended" flavour :-\ [12:14] It must be official now, its on twitter :) [12:14] yay [12:14] Just refreshed the ubuntu home page [12:16] AlanBell: slap the factoid into waking up it's out :) [12:16] ubuntu.com works but canonical.com seems borked :P [12:17] apparently it's out. [12:17] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000159.html [12:17] * Laney dist-upgrades: 0 updates available [12:18] same here [12:18] !precise [12:18] Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is the 16th release of Ubuntu and is in Beta testing from 2nd March, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+1 [12:18] !quantal [12:18] Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) will be the 17th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+1 [12:19] !11.10 [12:19] Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) is the current release of Ubuntu | Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1110 [12:20] !isitoutyet [12:20] Nope! Ubuntu 12.04 is scheduled for release sometime on April 26th. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party while you're waiting! [12:21]