| philipballew | all the release hype doesn’t really effect me when I upgraded in later February. Much nicer | 04:43 |
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| MarkDude | philipballew, I agree, I always wait to upgrade ANY Distro at least a month- if not two | 04:47 |
| philipballew | MarkDude, anything to avoid the upgrade servers coming to a halt | 04:49 |
| MarkDude | true | 04:56 |
| philipballew | Can you say all nighter, because I can! | 05:37 |
| MarkDude | no doubt | 05:42 |
| philipballew | Only 4 more papers to type. | 05:46 |
| philipballew | tonight paper is on the history of catholic tradition... | 05:47 |
| philipballew | fun I know... | 05:47 |
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| pleia2 | ah, release day :) | 16:49 |
| pleia2 | I should make someone else run the party, I was up at 6AM doing release stuff for xubuntu (and I was late, that was an hour after the actual release) | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | now work, dr appointment and release party, no sleepies time! | 16:50 |
| dax | I was up until the early hours of the morning being social in real life instead of watching the Ubuntu release process. I'm starting to worry I am no longer a geek. | 16:51 |
| pleia2 | hah :) | 16:53 |
| pleia2 | this is only the second release where I've been directly involved, first where I'm website and marketing lead for xubuntu | 16:53 |
| pleia2 | so it seems my geekery is getting worse ;) | 16:54 |
| philipballew_ | pleia2, Have fun at the party | 16:59 |
| philipballew_ | drink to Ubuntu! | 16:59 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 17:04 |
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| * MarkDude thinks your geekery is getting *better* pleia2 | 17:33 | |
| akk | Heh, agreed. | 17:34 |
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| MarkDude | dragon, ping | 19:40 |
| bkerensa | nobody is seeding xubuntu amd64 iso | 19:47 |
| bkerensa | >.< | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | it came out late, but I know a bunch of people are seeding it now | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | maybe try to restart it? | 19:50 |
| * philipballew_ school blocks torrents | 19:51 | |
| philipballew_ | actually, no. They block the starting of torrents | 19:51 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: http://imgur.com/FsRA3 | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: I see 6, or am I reading it wrong? | 19:56 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: it just came up :D I was just showing you my epic seeding | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | oh :) | 19:57 |
| * bkerensa also deploy three Linodes and a AWS instance to see all the ISO's | 19:57 | |
| bkerensa | ;p | 19:57 |
| bkerensa | seed* | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | thanks! | 19:57 |
| itnet7 | hey there everyone | 19:59 |
| itnet7 | Happy Release Day! | 20:00 |
| philipballew_ | itnet7, its a good day i think | 20:01 |
| itnet7 | philipballew_: definitely! | 20:01 |
| philipballew_ | its Thursday!!! | 20:01 |
| dragon | MarkDude: pong | 20:10 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude: with 12.04 release now is a better time then ever to come back and embrace your circle of friends and leave the hat behind :D | 20:14 |
| dragon | bkerensa: How about a circle of friends wearing hats? :P | 20:16 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 20:17 |
| bkerensa | only if they are tan with a orange ubuntu logo on them :D | 20:17 |
| dragon | Ubuntu logo is a bit too much to ask for! | 20:17 |
| dragon | Orange tan and blue paint would make a good contrast. | 20:18 |
| dragon | What's a good list of torrents to seed? I'm leaning towards desktop amd64 plain Ubuntu. | 20:18 |
| dragon | But that's barely a list. | 20:18 |
| bkerensa | all of them? | 20:19 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:19 |
| dragon | That's too much, and won't help much given my limited 1MiB/s upstream bandwidth. | 20:20 |
| dragon | I'd rather seed three or four so each could get at least 250KiB/s | 20:20 |
| * MarkDude likes the power of the Dark Side of the Force | 20:22 | |
| MarkDude | It pays better, we have awesome parties, not to mention...... the COOKIES :D | 20:23 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude: I will admit Fedora does in some cases have more resources for their communities :D | 20:42 |
| MarkDude | Dont forget the low earth orbiting laser | 20:42 |
| MarkDude | The secret handshake helps with much ..... ;) | 20:42 |
| MarkDude | We sorta lack on that whole *local big community thing* tho | 20:43 |
| philipballew_ | MarkDude how far into using fedora do you have to be until they give you a tour of the Death Star? | 20:44 |
| MarkDude | Well - its only a rumor | 20:45 |
| MarkDude | But you have to be an RH employee | 20:45 |
| MarkDude | Its not that bad- its been pretty confirmed that Canonical folks have access to jetpacks | 20:46 |
| MarkDude | thats pretty cool | 20:46 |
| MarkDude | And some get to visit Ubuntu island | 20:46 |
| philipballew_ | well their boss is kinda a space cadet | 20:46 |
| MarkDude | where Mark S has a desk with a chair for people to sit in... that drops to a shark tank | 20:47 |
| MarkDude | Mark S will have a space station soon, I heard it is old Russian stuff, so its all 8 bit computing tho | 20:47 |
| philipballew_ | I wonder if they have any job openings for "shark tank door openers" | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | that's secretly why the SpaceX booth was next to the Ubuntu booth at SCALE | 20:48 |
| itnet7 | lol | 20:49 |
| philipballew_ | I gave them my card and said "I want to be a astronaut" | 20:50 |
| philipballew_ | Ive seen Apollo 13, so I pretty much know how to handle myself up there... | 20:50 |
| bkerensa | come on people suck up some bandwidth... I'm seeding with a combined bandwidth availability over 400MBps | 20:50 |
| bkerensa | get any flavor you want :D | 20:51 |
| philipballew_ | bkerensa, if only my school disnt block torrents | 20:51 |
| philipballew_ | *didnt | 20:51 |
| zeidoz | philipballew_: have you read ender's game? | 20:52 |
| philipballew_ | zeidoz, no, whats it? | 20:53 |
| zeidoz | philipballew_: it's about teenage astronauts, sort of | 20:53 |
| zeidoz | they're making it into a movie i think | 20:53 |
| philipballew_ | I saw the magic school bus, so Ive seen kids in space. | 20:53 |
| zeidoz | philipballew_: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/ | 20:54 |
| zeidoz | they didn't play war games on the school bus | 20:54 |
| zeidoz | it's a good novel, not as good as mine of course ^_^ | 20:55 |
| MarkDude | Hope on the magic school bus..... | 20:56 |
| philipballew_ | MarkDude, I still think that show was about a teacher getting her and her kids high | 20:57 |
| MarkDude | I thought that was the cliff's notes version | 20:58 |
| MarkDude | You mean it wasnt? | 20:58 |
| philipballew_ | I wonder if that was the thought behind the magic school bus in the first place | 21:00 |
| MarkDude | It was most likely the idea behind Sesame Street | 21:01 |
| MarkDude | Have you seen any of the earliest episodes? | 21:01 |
| philipballew_ | indeed. Its ... different | 21:01 |
| philipballew_ | lots of shows have subliminal messages many people would dislike. | 21:02 |
| philipballew_ | like some people say spongebob | 21:02 |
| zeidoz | high = lucid dreaming | 21:06 |
| zeidoz | i don't recall any reefer being smoked on magic school bus, or dream journals being kept | 21:06 |
| philipballew_ | zeidoz, im to much used to this societies slang | 21:06 |
| zeidoz | philipballew_: eye'm untoo much notused to this society's sling | 21:07 |
| zeidoz | i'm going to take a spacenap™, because NASA told me to | 21:07 |
| philipballew_ | nasas dead | 21:08 |
| philipballew_ | bkerensa, your exudes back to ubuntu post made me laugh. | 21:09 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: I need to make a part to of FOSS Yeaaaah! about how they all came back when 12.04 arrived | 21:09 |
| bkerensa | :D | 21:09 |
| philipballew_ | they wayward sons and daughters have returned | 21:10 |
| philipballew_ | I truly dont understand why people dont just install a different ui if they dislike unity..... | 21:11 |
| akk | Agreed, philipballew_ | 21:11 |
| philipballew_ | maybe they do not know how, or think it s to complicated. | 21:12 |
| philipballew_ | but imo its easier to apt-get then reinstall your whole os | 21:12 |
| philipballew_ | bkerensa, not that i have a problem with linux mint. Im just not a "bandwagon" type person | 21:14 |
| akk | OTOH, if someone's really a fan of the gnome2 interface (as opposed to just hating unity), they actually do have to switch from ubuntu. | 21:16 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: because they are generally so green that they do not realize they can install and DE they want | 21:16 |
| akk | Even on other distros they'll have to change desktops eventually ... but they'll probably get several years on some distros. | 21:16 |
| bkerensa | akk: they can use gnome-session-fallback (classic) or Gnome3 on Ubuntu just fine... we have booth actively in the repos | 21:17 |
| philipballew_ | debian 7 is gnome 3 | 21:17 |
| philipballew_ | iirc | 21:18 |
| akk | bkerensa: They're pretty different, from what I hear. | 21:18 |
| philipballew_ | you can make lxde look like gnome 2 | 21:18 |
| philipballew_ | personally I really dont care what ui i use as long as i can quickly accsess my Internet browser terminal and music player | 21:19 |
| bkerensa | akk: session-fallback is pretty much identical to the classic that has shipped in every version prior to 11.10 | 21:19 |
| bkerensa | :) | 21:19 |
| greg-g | philipballew_: well, for one thing, gnome-shell is a second class citizen on Ubuntu, and at least in 11.10 (haven't jumped to the next version yet, for the first time in years) gnome-shell was broken in a few places because of Unity hacks to gnome | 21:19 |
| greg-g | philipballew_: re why people don't just install another DE | 21:19 |
| bkerensa | the very small differences are not really noticeable to most users | 21:19 |
| greg-g | by broken I mean regressions introduced versus a Debian/upstream version of gnome | 21:20 |
| philipballew_ | you could install a cli and just build up greg-g , but not everyone knows you can I think... | 21:25 |
| philipballew_ | and replace a few packages | 21:25 |
| akk | Though there are boot problems if you install a commandline system ... unfixed bug because they figure nobody important does that. | 21:26 |
| akk | But once you know the tricks, it's a nice way to go. | 21:26 |
| philipballew_ | but I do it? Do I not matter :) | 21:26 |
| philipballew_ | yeah, cli systems are nicer because you have more control | 21:27 |
| philipballew_ | then the default image | 21:27 |
| greg-g | philipballew_: uhhh, what about a cli and build up? that was kind of a non sequitor | 21:28 |
| greg-g | we were talking about installing a non default DE | 21:28 |
| akk | greg-g: It's a good way to go if you aren't going to use the default DE, so you don't have to uninstall all that stuff. | 21:29 |
| greg-g | akk: not if the stuff that gnome-shell depends on were modified to work better with Unity that breaks gnome-shell | 21:29 |
| greg-g | so, no matter where I start, the packages in Ubuntu are buggy because of Unity | 21:30 |
| greg-g | that all I'm saying :) | 21:30 |
| greg-g | s/that/that's/ | 21:30 |
| akk | greg-g: I don't think philipballew_'s suggestion of starting from the commandline was meant as a fix for that. | 21:30 |
| akk | Just a good way of setting up an ubuntu system that's based on another DE. | 21:31 |
| philipballew_ | yes, i ment for a different ui. But if certain packages have bugs you could find those packages and recompile them maybe for yourself... | 21:33 |
| greg-g | right, just was a ping to me not replying to my comment ;) | 21:33 |
| philipballew_ | but nobody does that | 21:34 |
| greg-g | philipballew_: right.. which, as you said above "why don't they just install another DE" doesn't work on Ubuntu | 21:34 |
| philipballew_ | I agree | 21:34 |
| akk | I'm surprised nobody has made a PPA of a classic gnome2 desktop complete with whatever libraries it needs. | 21:34 |
| akk | For the amount of griping I hear, there doesn't seem to be much workarounding. | 21:34 |
| philipballew_ | akk, complaining but doing nothing to fix it maybe? | 21:35 |
| greg-g | right, because I can go "fix" those bugs Unity introduced into gnome-shell.... that won't happen in Ubuntu because those changes were made for a reason | 21:35 |
| greg-g | so I can only complain and not fix it. it's my only option as dictated by Unity | 21:36 |
| philipballew_ | makes sence. I wonder if someone can get a ppa going wwith those packages that mess up gnome-shell | 21:37 |
| greg-g | at that point, you're just undoing what they did in Ubuntu to mess up the Debian packages, why not just use Debian? | 21:41 |
| greg-g | (which is what I decided to do on my home machine) | 21:41 |
| akk | greg-g: But you can fix it. It just means maintaining your own copy of those libraries. | 21:41 |
| dax | How is GNOME-shell on Debian testing these days? I haven't used it in a few months. | 21:42 |
| greg-g | great :) | 21:42 |
| greg-g | akk: which, at that point, I'm just mirroring whats in Debian.. so.... ;) | 21:43 |
| philipballew_ | akk, good point. its not hard for us here to maintain our own libraries. greg-g it is often not worth the time when you have other things that you feel are more important. | 21:44 |
| philipballew_ | sooner or later I might replace all sources are run my own mirror if I have the time | 21:44 |
| philipballew_ | for my server at least maybe | 21:45 |
| * philipballew_ is off to Chemistry class. | 21:46 | |
| akk | greg-g: Sure, nothing wrong with running Debian if it meets your needs better. But you may find other things that work less well there. | 21:48 |
| * akk has Debian on one machine, Ubuntu on another ... they have different strengths | 21:49 | |
| greg-g | akk: not thus far :) The only thing is I do get a nice text scrolling boot sequence :) | 21:49 |
| akk | greg-g: You can get that anywhere, just remove the "splash" option from your bootloader (grub or whatever). | 21:50 |
| greg-g | I actually wonder why Debian hasn't pulled in some of the flickerless boot optimizations Ubuntu has done | 21:51 |
| akk | ugh, Ubuntu's boot process is pretty messed up for lightweight/commandline systems ... I hope Debian doesn't pull in much of it. | 21:51 |
| akk | That's one of the things I like about Debian. | 21:51 |
| greg-g | ahh, see, that's good to know | 21:52 |
| kdub | is "city center' oakland the bad part of oakland | 22:48 |
| kdub | (eg, where UDS is) | 22:48 |
| bkerensa | kdub: imho all of Oakland is bad but downtown has the lowest crime | 22:50 |
| kdub | oh, so its the /safest/ part :) | 22:50 |
| bkerensa | kdub: East Oakland is the worst part | 22:50 |
| pleia2 | Oakland sprawls a fair amount, there are some decent suburban areas | 22:51 |
| bkerensa | there are neighborhoods in East Oakland that the Police will not go to without a medium deployment of officers | 22:51 |
| bkerensa | :D | 22:51 |
| bkerensa | Just whatever you do don't go to the Twomps | 22:52 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: yeah the borders with berkeley are not so bad | 22:55 |
| kdub | and the 'bart' goes from the OAK airport to the downtown part? | 22:56 |
| bkerensa | kdub: yes | 22:56 |
| kdub | wahoo :) | 22:56 |
| bkerensa | Im not sure how close to the Marriott though | 22:56 |
| bkerensa | but you will be fine | 22:56 |
| bkerensa | :D | 22:56 |
| bkerensa | Only people looking for trouble are going to find it in most cases | 22:56 |
| pleia2 | 12 st station is right next to the hotel | 22:57 |
| pleia2 | very easy :) | 22:57 |
| bkerensa | yeah kdub you can get off ^ there and walk 456ft | 22:58 |
| bkerensa | :D | 22:58 |
| pleia2 | kdub: congrats on the new gig | 22:58 |
| * bkerensa had no idea thats how close it was..... I never took Bart to Oakland... Just Berkeley mostly ;p | 22:59 | |
| kdub | :) thanks | 22:59 |
| pleia2 | (philipballew told us) | 22:59 |
| bkerensa | kdub: you got a new job cool :D | 22:59 |
| akk | I'm trying to figure out how to get to BART in the first place ... the web is telling me parking at Fremont BART isn't likely on weekday mornings. | 23:00 |
| bkerensa | akk: where are you travelling from? | 23:00 |
| akk | bkerensa: San Jose. | 23:00 |
| bkerensa | By car? | 23:00 |
| akk | bkerensa: Google maps says using buses would take about an hour and a half (and 2 buses), so car looks like the only reasonable option. | 23:01 |
| bkerensa | akk: You could take Caltrain to SF then Bart across the bay? | 23:01 |
| akk | Hour and a half just to get to the Fremont BART station, I mean, not counting the half-hour to from there to Oakland. | 23:01 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: caltrain is slow :( | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | yeah | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | hmm | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | I'd say change at millbrae if you take that route though | 23:02 |
| kdub | pleia2: figured the news would work its way around :P | 23:03 |
| kdub | i can't even take the train from socal, i'd have to take a bus in bakersfield for like half the trip | 23:03 |
| bkerensa | Or perhaps go to San Leandro park and then Bart | 23:03 |
| bkerensa | akk ^ | 23:04 |
| akk | Looks like that route's pretty slow too -- about 40 min by caltrain then 40 min on bart. | 23:04 |
| bkerensa | Drive to San Leandro I meant | 23:04 |
| bkerensa | :D | 23:04 |
| bkerensa | then park and take Bart | 23:04 |
| bkerensa | :D | 23:04 |
| akk | bkerensa: Is there always open parking at San Leandro? | 23:05 |
| akk | That's the sort of thing I've been trying to figure out -- which BART stations I could park at. | 23:05 |
| bkerensa | akk: Not always but you can reserve parking at Bart online | 23:05 |
| akk | oh, interesting | 23:06 |
| bkerensa | yeah I think its called a reserved parking permit or something | 23:06 |
| bkerensa | means you get a guaranteed spot | 23:06 |
| akk | That would help -- what worries me is ending up spending 2 hours driving from bart station to bart station. | 23:06 |
| bkerensa | no doubt | 23:06 |
| bkerensa | imho (i am not a driver much... I car-share) if I owned a car I would try to park at Fremont/Ashby/San Leandro | 23:07 |
| akk | Cool, thanks, I'll look into reserving. | 23:07 |
| bkerensa | akk: https://www.parkingcarma.com/portals/bart/bartreservations.aspx | 23:08 |
| akk | Cool, thanks! | 23:08 |
| akk | (Except for the "we have encountered an error" when I try to go through the screens, sigh) | 23:10 |
| bkerensa | asp | 23:11 |
| bkerensa | >.< | 23:11 |
| akk | Looks like they require google-analytics javascript or the pages don't work at all. | 23:11 |
| bkerensa | =/ | 23:12 |
| akk | Only the second time I've seen that (first time was on coursera and they've since fixed it). | 23:12 |
| bkerensa | oh west oakland bart has a garagew | 23:12 |
| bkerensa | akk: works for me... I got all the way to billing | 23:13 |
| akk | Driving to Oakland to take BART to Oakland seems a little strange, though. | 23:13 |
| bkerensa | :D | 23:13 |
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