[04:43] all the release hype doesn’t really effect me when I upgraded in later February. Much nicer [04:47] philipballew, I agree, I always wait to upgrade ANY Distro at least a month- if not two [04:49] MarkDude, anything to avoid the upgrade servers coming to a halt [04:56] true [05:37] Can you say all nighter, because I can! [05:42] no doubt [05:46] Only 4 more papers to type. [05:47] tonight paper is on the history of catholic tradition... [05:47] fun I know... === akgraner` is now known as akgraner [16:49] ah, release day :) [16:50] I should make someone else run the party, I was up at 6AM doing release stuff for xubuntu (and I was late, that was an hour after the actual release) [16:50] now work, dr appointment and release party, no sleepies time! [16:51] I was up until the early hours of the morning being social in real life instead of watching the Ubuntu release process. I'm starting to worry I am no longer a geek. [16:53] hah :) [16:53] this is only the second release where I've been directly involved, first where I'm website and marketing lead for xubuntu [16:54] so it seems my geekery is getting worse ;) [16:59] pleia2, Have fun at the party [16:59] drink to Ubuntu! [17:04] thanks :) === jtatum_ is now known as jtatum [17:33] * MarkDude thinks your geekery is getting *better* pleia2 [17:34] Heh, agreed. === Faqtotum is now known as DonkeyHotei [19:40] dragon, ping [19:47] nobody is seeding xubuntu amd64 iso [19:47] >.< [19:50] it came out late, but I know a bunch of people are seeding it now [19:50] maybe try to restart it? [19:51] * philipballew_ school blocks torrents [19:51] actually, no. They block the starting of torrents [19:55] pleia2: http://imgur.com/FsRA3 [19:56] bkerensa: I see 6, or am I reading it wrong? [19:57] pleia2: it just came up :D I was just showing you my epic seeding [19:57] oh :) [19:57] * bkerensa also deploy three Linodes and a AWS instance to see all the ISO's [19:57] ;p [19:57] seed* [19:57] thanks! [19:59] hey there everyone [20:00] Happy Release Day! [20:01] itnet7, its a good day i think [20:01] philipballew_: definitely! [20:01] its Thursday!!! [20:10] MarkDude: pong [20:14] MarkDude: with 12.04 release now is a better time then ever to come back and embrace your circle of friends and leave the hat behind :D [20:16] bkerensa: How about a circle of friends wearing hats? :P [20:17] ;p [20:17] only if they are tan with a orange ubuntu logo on them :D [20:17] Ubuntu logo is a bit too much to ask for! [20:18] Orange tan and blue paint would make a good contrast. [20:18] What's a good list of torrents to seed? I'm leaning towards desktop amd64 plain Ubuntu. [20:18] But that's barely a list. [20:19] all of them? [20:19] :D [20:20] That's too much, and won't help much given my limited 1MiB/s upstream bandwidth. [20:20] I'd rather seed three or four so each could get at least 250KiB/s [20:22] * MarkDude likes the power of the Dark Side of the Force [20:23] It pays better, we have awesome parties, not to mention...... the COOKIES :D [20:42] MarkDude: I will admit Fedora does in some cases have more resources for their communities :D [20:42] Dont forget the low earth orbiting laser [20:42] The secret handshake helps with much ..... ;) [20:43] We sorta lack on that whole *local big community thing* tho [20:44] MarkDude how far into using fedora do you have to be until they give you a tour of the Death Star? [20:45] Well - its only a rumor [20:45] But you have to be an RH employee [20:46] Its not that bad- its been pretty confirmed that Canonical folks have access to jetpacks [20:46] thats pretty cool [20:46] And some get to visit Ubuntu island [20:46] well their boss is kinda a space cadet [20:47] where Mark S has a desk with a chair for people to sit in... that drops to a shark tank [20:47] Mark S will have a space station soon, I heard it is old Russian stuff, so its all 8 bit computing tho [20:48] I wonder if they have any job openings for "shark tank door openers" [20:48] that's secretly why the SpaceX booth was next to the Ubuntu booth at SCALE [20:49] lol [20:50] I gave them my card and said "I want to be a astronaut" [20:50] Ive seen Apollo 13, so I pretty much know how to handle myself up there... [20:50] come on people suck up some bandwidth... I'm seeding with a combined bandwidth availability over 400MBps [20:51] get any flavor you want :D [20:51] bkerensa, if only my school disnt block torrents [20:51] *didnt [20:52] philipballew_: have you read ender's game? [20:53] zeidoz, no, whats it? [20:53] philipballew_: it's about teenage astronauts, sort of [20:53] they're making it into a movie i think [20:53] I saw the magic school bus, so Ive seen kids in space. [20:54] philipballew_: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/ [20:54] they didn't play war games on the school bus [20:55] it's a good novel, not as good as mine of course ^_^ [20:56] Hope on the magic school bus..... [20:57] MarkDude, I still think that show was about a teacher getting her and her kids high [20:58] I thought that was the cliff's notes version [20:58] You mean it wasnt? [21:00] I wonder if that was the thought behind the magic school bus in the first place [21:01] It was most likely the idea behind Sesame Street [21:01] Have you seen any of the earliest episodes? [21:01] indeed. Its ... different [21:02] lots of shows have subliminal messages many people would dislike. [21:02] like some people say spongebob [21:06] high = lucid dreaming [21:06] i don't recall any reefer being smoked on magic school bus, or dream journals being kept [21:06] zeidoz, im to much used to this societies slang [21:07] philipballew_: eye'm untoo much notused to this society's sling [21:07] i'm going to take a spacenap™, because NASA told me to [21:08] nasas dead [21:09] bkerensa, your exudes back to ubuntu post made me laugh. [21:09] philipballew: I need to make a part to of FOSS Yeaaaah! about how they all came back when 12.04 arrived [21:09] :D [21:10] they wayward sons and daughters have returned [21:11] I truly dont understand why people dont just install a different ui if they dislike unity..... [21:11] Agreed, philipballew_ [21:12] maybe they do not know how, or think it s to complicated. [21:12] but imo its easier to apt-get then reinstall your whole os [21:14] bkerensa, not that i have a problem with linux mint. Im just not a "bandwagon" type person [21:16] OTOH, if someone's really a fan of the gnome2 interface (as opposed to just hating unity), they actually do have to switch from ubuntu. [21:16] philipballew: because they are generally so green that they do not realize they can install and DE they want [21:16] Even on other distros they'll have to change desktops eventually ... but they'll probably get several years on some distros. [21:17] akk: they can use gnome-session-fallback (classic) or Gnome3 on Ubuntu just fine... we have booth actively in the repos [21:17] debian 7 is gnome 3 [21:18] iirc [21:18] bkerensa: They're pretty different, from what I hear. [21:18] you can make lxde look like gnome 2 [21:19] personally I really dont care what ui i use as long as i can quickly accsess my Internet browser terminal and music player [21:19] akk: session-fallback is pretty much identical to the classic that has shipped in every version prior to 11.10 [21:19] :) [21:19] philipballew_: well, for one thing, gnome-shell is a second class citizen on Ubuntu, and at least in 11.10 (haven't jumped to the next version yet, for the first time in years) gnome-shell was broken in a few places because of Unity hacks to gnome [21:19] philipballew_: re why people don't just install another DE [21:19] the very small differences are not really noticeable to most users [21:20] by broken I mean regressions introduced versus a Debian/upstream version of gnome [21:25] you could install a cli and just build up greg-g , but not everyone knows you can I think... [21:25] and replace a few packages [21:26] Though there are boot problems if you install a commandline system ... unfixed bug because they figure nobody important does that. [21:26] But once you know the tricks, it's a nice way to go. [21:26] but I do it? Do I not matter :) [21:27] yeah, cli systems are nicer because you have more control [21:27] then the default image [21:28] philipballew_: uhhh, what about a cli and build up? that was kind of a non sequitor [21:28] we were talking about installing a non default DE [21:29] greg-g: It's a good way to go if you aren't going to use the default DE, so you don't have to uninstall all that stuff. [21:29] akk: not if the stuff that gnome-shell depends on were modified to work better with Unity that breaks gnome-shell [21:30] so, no matter where I start, the packages in Ubuntu are buggy because of Unity [21:30] that all I'm saying :) [21:30] s/that/that's/ [21:30] greg-g: I don't think philipballew_'s suggestion of starting from the commandline was meant as a fix for that. [21:31] Just a good way of setting up an ubuntu system that's based on another DE. [21:33] yes, i ment for a different ui. But if certain packages have bugs you could find those packages and recompile them maybe for yourself... [21:33] right, just was a ping to me not replying to my comment ;) [21:34] but nobody does that [21:34] philipballew_: right.. which, as you said above "why don't they just install another DE" doesn't work on Ubuntu [21:34] I agree [21:34] I'm surprised nobody has made a PPA of a classic gnome2 desktop complete with whatever libraries it needs. [21:34] For the amount of griping I hear, there doesn't seem to be much workarounding. [21:35] akk, complaining but doing nothing to fix it maybe? [21:35] right, because I can go "fix" those bugs Unity introduced into gnome-shell.... that won't happen in Ubuntu because those changes were made for a reason [21:36] so I can only complain and not fix it. it's my only option as dictated by Unity [21:37] makes sence. I wonder if someone can get a ppa going wwith those packages that mess up gnome-shell [21:41] at that point, you're just undoing what they did in Ubuntu to mess up the Debian packages, why not just use Debian? [21:41] (which is what I decided to do on my home machine) [21:41] greg-g: But you can fix it. It just means maintaining your own copy of those libraries. [21:42] How is GNOME-shell on Debian testing these days? I haven't used it in a few months. [21:42] great :) [21:43] akk: which, at that point, I'm just mirroring whats in Debian.. so.... ;) [21:44] akk, good point. its not hard for us here to maintain our own libraries. greg-g it is often not worth the time when you have other things that you feel are more important. [21:44] sooner or later I might replace all sources are run my own mirror if I have the time [21:45] for my server at least maybe [21:46] * philipballew_ is off to Chemistry class. [21:48] greg-g: Sure, nothing wrong with running Debian if it meets your needs better. But you may find other things that work less well there. [21:49] * akk has Debian on one machine, Ubuntu on another ... they have different strengths [21:49] akk: not thus far :) The only thing is I do get a nice text scrolling boot sequence :) [21:50] greg-g: You can get that anywhere, just remove the "splash" option from your bootloader (grub or whatever). [21:51] I actually wonder why Debian hasn't pulled in some of the flickerless boot optimizations Ubuntu has done [21:51] ugh, Ubuntu's boot process is pretty messed up for lightweight/commandline systems ... I hope Debian doesn't pull in much of it. [21:51] That's one of the things I like about Debian. [21:52] ahh, see, that's good to know [22:48] is "city center' oakland the bad part of oakland [22:48] (eg, where UDS is) [22:50] kdub: imho all of Oakland is bad but downtown has the lowest crime [22:50] oh, so its the /safest/ part :) [22:50] kdub: East Oakland is the worst part [22:51] Oakland sprawls a fair amount, there are some decent suburban areas [22:51] there are neighborhoods in East Oakland that the Police will not go to without a medium deployment of officers [22:51] :D [22:52] Just whatever you do don't go to the Twomps [22:55] pleia2: yeah the borders with berkeley are not so bad [22:56] and the 'bart' goes from the OAK airport to the downtown part? [22:56] kdub: yes [22:56] wahoo :) [22:56] Im not sure how close to the Marriott though [22:56] but you will be fine [22:56] :D [22:56] Only people looking for trouble are going to find it in most cases [22:57] 12 st station is right next to the hotel [22:57] very easy :) [22:58] yeah kdub you can get off ^ there and walk 456ft [22:58] :D [22:58] kdub: congrats on the new gig [22:59] * bkerensa had no idea thats how close it was..... I never took Bart to Oakland... Just Berkeley mostly ;p [22:59] :) thanks [22:59] (philipballew told us) [22:59] kdub: you got a new job cool :D [23:00] I'm trying to figure out how to get to BART in the first place ... the web is telling me parking at Fremont BART isn't likely on weekday mornings. [23:00] akk: where are you travelling from? [23:00] bkerensa: San Jose. [23:00] By car? [23:01] bkerensa: Google maps says using buses would take about an hour and a half (and 2 buses), so car looks like the only reasonable option. [23:01] akk: You could take Caltrain to SF then Bart across the bay? [23:01] Hour and a half just to get to the Fremont BART station, I mean, not counting the half-hour to from there to Oakland. [23:02] bkerensa: caltrain is slow :( [23:02] yeah [23:02] hmm [23:02] I'd say change at millbrae if you take that route though [23:03] pleia2: figured the news would work its way around :P [23:03] i can't even take the train from socal, i'd have to take a bus in bakersfield for like half the trip [23:03] Or perhaps go to San Leandro park and then Bart [23:04] akk ^ [23:04] Looks like that route's pretty slow too -- about 40 min by caltrain then 40 min on bart. [23:04] Drive to San Leandro I meant [23:04] :D [23:04] then park and take Bart [23:04] :D [23:05] bkerensa: Is there always open parking at San Leandro? [23:05] That's the sort of thing I've been trying to figure out -- which BART stations I could park at. [23:05] akk: Not always but you can reserve parking at Bart online [23:06] oh, interesting [23:06] yeah I think its called a reserved parking permit or something [23:06] means you get a guaranteed spot [23:06] That would help -- what worries me is ending up spending 2 hours driving from bart station to bart station. [23:06] no doubt [23:07] imho (i am not a driver much... I car-share) if I owned a car I would try to park at Fremont/Ashby/San Leandro [23:07] Cool, thanks, I'll look into reserving. [23:08] akk: https://www.parkingcarma.com/portals/bart/bartreservations.aspx [23:08] Cool, thanks! [23:10] (Except for the "we have encountered an error" when I try to go through the screens, sigh) [23:11] asp [23:11] >.< [23:11] Looks like they require google-analytics javascript or the pages don't work at all. [23:12] =/ [23:12] Only the second time I've seen that (first time was on coursera and they've since fixed it). [23:12] oh west oakland bart has a garagew [23:13] akk: works for me... I got all the way to billing [23:13] Driving to Oakland to take BART to Oakland seems a little strange, though. [23:13] :D