[04:43] <philipballew> all the release hype doesn’t really effect me when I upgraded in later February. Much nicer
[04:47] <MarkDude> philipballew, I agree, I always wait to upgrade ANY Distro at least a month- if not two
[04:49] <philipballew> MarkDude, anything to avoid the upgrade servers coming to a halt
[04:56] <MarkDude> true
[05:37] <philipballew> Can you say all nighter, because I can!
[05:42] <MarkDude> no doubt
[05:46] <philipballew> Only 4 more papers to type.
[05:47] <philipballew> tonight paper is on the history of catholic tradition...
[05:47] <philipballew> fun I know...
[16:49] <pleia2> ah, release day :)
[16:50] <pleia2> I should make someone else run the party, I was up at 6AM doing release stuff for xubuntu (and I was late, that was an hour after the actual release)
[16:50] <pleia2> now work, dr appointment and release party, no sleepies time!
[16:51] <dax> I was up until the early hours of the morning being social in real life instead of watching the Ubuntu release process. I'm starting to worry I am no longer a geek.
[16:53] <pleia2> hah :)
[16:53] <pleia2> this is only the second release where I've been directly involved, first where I'm website and marketing lead for xubuntu
[16:54] <pleia2> so it seems my geekery is getting worse ;)
[16:59] <philipballew_> pleia2, Have fun at the party
[16:59] <philipballew_> drink to Ubuntu!
[17:04] <pleia2> thanks :)
[17:33]  * MarkDude thinks your geekery is getting *better* pleia2 
[17:34] <akk> Heh, agreed.
[19:40] <MarkDude> dragon, ping
[19:47] <bkerensa> nobody is seeding xubuntu amd64 iso
[19:47] <bkerensa> >.<
[19:50] <pleia2> it came out late, but I know a bunch of people are seeding it now
[19:50] <pleia2> maybe try to restart it?
[19:51]  * philipballew_ school blocks torrents
[19:51] <philipballew_> actually, no. They block the starting of torrents
[19:55] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://imgur.com/FsRA3
[19:56] <pleia2> bkerensa: I see 6, or am I reading it wrong?
[19:57] <bkerensa> pleia2: it just came up :D I was just showing you my epic seeding
[19:57] <pleia2> oh :)
[19:57]  * bkerensa also deploy three Linodes and a AWS instance to see all the ISO's
[19:57] <bkerensa> ;p
[19:57] <bkerensa> seed*
[19:57] <pleia2> thanks!
[19:59] <itnet7> hey there everyone
[20:00] <itnet7> Happy Release Day!
[20:01] <philipballew_> itnet7, its a good day i think
[20:01] <itnet7> philipballew_: definitely!
[20:01] <philipballew_> its Thursday!!!
[20:10] <dragon> MarkDude: pong
[20:14] <bkerensa> MarkDude: with 12.04 release now is a better time then ever to come back and embrace your circle of friends and leave the hat behind :D
[20:16] <dragon> bkerensa: How about a circle of friends wearing hats? :P
[20:17] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:17] <bkerensa> only if they are tan with a orange ubuntu logo on them :D
[20:17] <dragon> Ubuntu logo is a bit too much to ask for!
[20:18] <dragon> Orange tan and blue paint would make a good contrast.
[20:18] <dragon> What's a good list of torrents to seed? I'm leaning towards desktop amd64 plain Ubuntu.
[20:18] <dragon> But that's barely a list.
[20:19] <bkerensa> all of them?
[20:19] <bkerensa> :D
[20:20] <dragon> That's too much, and won't help much given my limited 1MiB/s upstream bandwidth.
[20:20] <dragon> I'd rather seed three or four so each could get at least 250KiB/s
[20:22]  * MarkDude likes the power of the Dark Side of the Force
[20:23] <MarkDude> It pays better, we have awesome parties, not to mention...... the COOKIES :D
[20:42] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I will admit Fedora does in some cases have more resources for their communities :D
[20:42] <MarkDude> Dont forget the low earth orbiting laser
[20:42] <MarkDude> The secret handshake helps with much ..... ;)
[20:43] <MarkDude> We sorta lack on that whole *local big community thing* tho
[20:44] <philipballew_> MarkDude how far into using fedora do you have to be until they give you a tour of the Death Star?
[20:45] <MarkDude> Well - its only a rumor
[20:45] <MarkDude> But you have to be an RH employee
[20:46] <MarkDude> Its not that bad- its been pretty confirmed that Canonical folks have access to jetpacks
[20:46] <MarkDude> thats pretty cool
[20:46] <MarkDude> And some get to visit Ubuntu island
[20:46] <philipballew_> well their boss is kinda a space cadet
[20:47] <MarkDude> where Mark S has a desk with a chair for people to sit in... that drops to a shark tank
[20:47] <MarkDude> Mark S will have a space station soon, I heard it is old Russian stuff, so its all 8 bit computing tho
[20:48] <philipballew_> I wonder if they have any job openings for "shark tank door openers"
[20:48] <pleia2> that's secretly why the SpaceX booth was next to the Ubuntu booth at SCALE
[20:49] <itnet7> lol
[20:50] <philipballew_> I gave them my card and said "I want to be a astronaut"
[20:50] <philipballew_> Ive seen Apollo 13, so I pretty much know how to handle myself up there...
[20:50] <bkerensa> come on people suck up some bandwidth... I'm seeding with a combined bandwidth availability over 400MBps
[20:51] <bkerensa> get any flavor you want :D
[20:51] <philipballew_> bkerensa, if only my school disnt block torrents
[20:51] <philipballew_> *didnt
[20:52] <zeidoz> philipballew_: have you read ender's game?
[20:53] <philipballew_> zeidoz, no, whats it?
[20:53] <zeidoz> philipballew_: it's about teenage astronauts, sort of
[20:53] <zeidoz> they're making it into a movie i think
[20:53] <philipballew_> I saw the magic school bus, so Ive seen kids in space.
[20:54] <zeidoz> philipballew_: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/
[20:54] <zeidoz> they didn't play war games on the school bus
[20:55] <zeidoz> it's a good novel, not as good as mine of course ^_^
[20:56] <MarkDude> Hope on the magic school bus.....
[20:57] <philipballew_> MarkDude, I still think that show was about a teacher getting her and her kids high
[20:58] <MarkDude> I thought that was the cliff's notes version
[20:58] <MarkDude> You mean it wasnt?
[21:00] <philipballew_> I wonder if that was the thought behind the magic school bus in the first place
[21:01] <MarkDude> It was most likely the idea behind Sesame Street
[21:01] <MarkDude> Have you seen any of the earliest episodes?
[21:01] <philipballew_> indeed. Its ... different
[21:02] <philipballew_> lots of shows have subliminal messages many people would dislike.
[21:02] <philipballew_> like some people say spongebob
[21:06] <zeidoz> high = lucid dreaming
[21:06] <zeidoz> i don't recall any reefer being smoked on magic school bus, or dream journals being kept
[21:06] <philipballew_> zeidoz, im to much used to this societies slang
[21:07] <zeidoz> philipballew_: eye'm untoo much notused to this society's sling
[21:07] <zeidoz> i'm going to take a spacenap™, because NASA told me to
[21:08] <philipballew_> nasas dead
[21:09] <philipballew_> bkerensa, your exudes back to ubuntu post made me laugh.
[21:09] <bkerensa> philipballew: I need to make a part to of FOSS Yeaaaah! about how they all came back when 12.04 arrived
[21:09] <bkerensa> :D
[21:10] <philipballew_> they wayward sons and daughters have returned
[21:11] <philipballew_> I truly dont understand why people dont just install a different ui if they dislike unity.....
[21:11] <akk> Agreed, philipballew_
[21:12] <philipballew_> maybe they do not know how, or think it s to complicated.
[21:12] <philipballew_> but imo its easier to apt-get then reinstall your whole os
[21:14] <philipballew_> bkerensa, not that i have a problem with linux mint. Im just not a "bandwagon" type person
[21:16] <akk> OTOH, if someone's really a fan of the gnome2 interface (as opposed to just hating unity), they actually do have to switch from ubuntu.
[21:16] <bkerensa> philipballew: because they are generally so green that they do not realize they can install and DE they want
[21:16] <akk> Even on other distros they'll have to change desktops eventually ... but they'll probably get several years on some distros.
[21:17] <bkerensa> akk: they can use gnome-session-fallback  (classic) or Gnome3 on Ubuntu just fine... we have booth actively in the repos
[21:17] <philipballew_> debian 7 is gnome 3
[21:18] <philipballew_> iirc
[21:18] <akk> bkerensa: They're pretty different, from what I hear.
[21:18] <philipballew_> you can make lxde look like gnome 2
[21:19] <philipballew_> personally I really dont care what ui i use as long as i can quickly accsess my Internet browser terminal and music player
[21:19] <bkerensa> akk: session-fallback is pretty much identical to the classic that has shipped in every version prior to 11.10
[21:19] <bkerensa> :)
[21:19] <greg-g> philipballew_: well, for one thing, gnome-shell is a second class citizen on Ubuntu, and at least in 11.10 (haven't jumped to the next version yet, for the first time in years) gnome-shell was broken in a few places because of Unity hacks to gnome
[21:19] <greg-g> philipballew_: re why people don't just install another DE
[21:19] <bkerensa> the very small differences are not really noticeable to most users
[21:20] <greg-g> by broken I mean regressions introduced versus a Debian/upstream version of gnome
[21:25] <philipballew_> you could install a cli and just build up greg-g , but not everyone knows you can I think...
[21:25] <philipballew_> and replace a few packages
[21:26] <akk> Though there are boot problems if you install a commandline system ... unfixed bug because they figure nobody important does that.
[21:26] <akk> But once you know the tricks, it's a nice way to go.
[21:26] <philipballew_> but I do it? Do I not matter :)
[21:27] <philipballew_> yeah, cli systems are nicer because you have more control
[21:27] <philipballew_> then the default image
[21:28] <greg-g> philipballew_: uhhh, what about a cli and build up? that was kind of a non sequitor
[21:28] <greg-g> we were talking about installing a non default DE
[21:29] <akk> greg-g: It's a good way to go if you aren't going to use the default DE, so you don't have to uninstall all that stuff.
[21:29] <greg-g> akk: not if the stuff that gnome-shell depends on were modified to work better with Unity that breaks gnome-shell
[21:30] <greg-g> so, no matter where I start, the packages in Ubuntu are buggy because of Unity
[21:30] <greg-g> that all I'm saying :)
[21:30] <greg-g> s/that/that's/
[21:30] <akk> greg-g: I don't think philipballew_'s suggestion of starting from the commandline was meant as a fix for that.
[21:31] <akk> Just a good way of setting up an ubuntu system that's based on another DE.
[21:33] <philipballew_> yes, i ment for a different ui. But if certain packages have bugs you could find those packages and recompile them maybe for yourself...
[21:33] <greg-g> right, just was a ping to me not replying to my comment ;)
[21:34] <philipballew_> but nobody does that
[21:34] <greg-g> philipballew_: right.. which, as you said above "why don't they just install another DE" doesn't work on Ubuntu
[21:34] <philipballew_> I agree
[21:34] <akk> I'm surprised nobody has made a PPA of a classic gnome2 desktop complete with whatever libraries it needs.
[21:34] <akk> For the amount of griping I hear, there doesn't seem to be much workarounding.
[21:35] <philipballew_> akk, complaining but doing nothing to fix it maybe?
[21:35] <greg-g> right, because I can go "fix" those bugs Unity introduced into gnome-shell.... that won't happen in Ubuntu because those changes were made for a reason
[21:36] <greg-g> so I can only complain and not fix it. it's my only option as dictated by Unity
[21:37] <philipballew_> makes sence. I wonder if someone can get a ppa going wwith those packages that mess up gnome-shell
[21:41] <greg-g> at that point, you're just undoing what they did in Ubuntu to mess up the Debian packages, why not just use Debian?
[21:41] <greg-g> (which is what I decided to do on my home machine)
[21:41] <akk> greg-g: But you can fix it. It just means maintaining your own copy of those libraries.
[21:42] <dax> How is GNOME-shell on Debian testing these days? I haven't used it in a few months.
[21:42] <greg-g> great :)
[21:43] <greg-g> akk: which, at that point, I'm just mirroring whats in Debian.. so.... ;)
[21:44] <philipballew_> akk, good point. its not hard for us here to maintain our own libraries. greg-g it is often not worth the time when you have other things that you feel are more important.
[21:44] <philipballew_> sooner or later I might replace all sources are run my own mirror if I have the time
[21:45] <philipballew_> for my server at least maybe
[21:46]  * philipballew_ is off to Chemistry class.
[21:48] <akk> greg-g: Sure, nothing wrong with running Debian if it meets your needs better. But you may find other things that work less well there.
[21:49]  * akk has Debian on one machine, Ubuntu on another ... they have different strengths
[21:49] <greg-g> akk: not thus far :) The only thing is I do get a nice text scrolling boot sequence :)
[21:50] <akk> greg-g: You can get that anywhere, just remove the "splash" option from your bootloader (grub or whatever).
[21:51] <greg-g> I actually wonder why Debian hasn't pulled in some of the flickerless boot optimizations Ubuntu has done
[21:51] <akk> ugh, Ubuntu's boot process is pretty messed up for lightweight/commandline systems ... I hope Debian doesn't pull in much of it.
[21:51] <akk> That's one of the things I like about Debian.
[21:52] <greg-g> ahh, see, that's good to know
[22:48] <kdub> is "city center' oakland the  bad part of oakland
[22:48] <kdub> (eg, where UDS is)
[22:50] <bkerensa> kdub: imho all of Oakland is bad but downtown has the lowest crime
[22:50] <kdub> oh, so its the /safest/ part :)
[22:50] <bkerensa> kdub: East Oakland is the worst part
[22:51] <pleia2> Oakland sprawls a fair amount, there are some decent suburban areas
[22:51] <bkerensa> there are neighborhoods in East Oakland that the Police will not go to without a medium deployment of officers
[22:51] <bkerensa> :D
[22:52] <bkerensa> Just whatever you do don't go to the Twomps
[22:55] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah the borders with berkeley are not so bad
[22:56] <kdub> and the 'bart' goes from the OAK airport to the downtown part?
[22:56] <bkerensa> kdub: yes
[22:56] <kdub> wahoo :)
[22:56] <bkerensa> Im not sure how close to the Marriott though
[22:56] <bkerensa> but you will be fine
[22:56] <bkerensa> :D
[22:56] <bkerensa> Only people looking for trouble are going to find it in most cases
[22:57] <pleia2> 12 st station is right next to the hotel
[22:57] <pleia2> very easy :)
[22:58] <bkerensa> yeah kdub you can get off ^ there and walk 456ft
[22:58] <bkerensa> :D
[22:58] <pleia2> kdub: congrats on the new gig
[22:59]  * bkerensa had no idea thats how close it was..... I never took Bart to Oakland... Just Berkeley mostly ;p
[22:59] <kdub> :) thanks
[22:59] <pleia2> (philipballew told us)
[22:59] <bkerensa> kdub: you got a new job cool :D
[23:00] <akk> I'm trying to figure out how to get to BART in the first place ... the web is telling me parking at Fremont BART isn't likely on weekday mornings.
[23:00] <bkerensa> akk: where are you travelling from?
[23:00] <akk> bkerensa: San Jose.
[23:00] <bkerensa> By car?
[23:01] <akk> bkerensa: Google maps says using buses would take about an hour and a half (and 2 buses), so car looks like the only reasonable option.
[23:01] <bkerensa> akk: You could take Caltrain to SF then Bart across the bay?
[23:01] <akk> Hour and a half just to get to the Fremont BART station, I mean, not counting the half-hour to from there to Oakland.
[23:02] <pleia2> bkerensa: caltrain is slow :(
[23:02] <bkerensa> yeah
[23:02] <bkerensa> hmm
[23:02] <pleia2> I'd say change at millbrae if you take that route though
[23:03] <kdub> pleia2: figured the news would work its way around  :P
[23:03] <kdub> i can't even take the train from socal, i'd have to take a bus in bakersfield for like half the trip
[23:03] <bkerensa> Or perhaps go to San Leandro park and then Bart
[23:04] <bkerensa> akk ^
[23:04] <akk> Looks like that route's pretty slow too -- about 40 min by caltrain then 40 min on bart.
[23:04] <bkerensa> Drive to San Leandro I meant
[23:04] <bkerensa> :D
[23:04] <bkerensa> then park and take Bart
[23:04] <bkerensa> :D
[23:05] <akk> bkerensa: Is there always open parking at San Leandro?
[23:05] <akk> That's the sort of thing I've been trying to figure out -- which BART stations I could park at.
[23:05] <bkerensa> akk: Not always but you can reserve parking at Bart online
[23:06] <akk> oh, interesting
[23:06] <bkerensa> yeah I think its called a reserved parking permit or something
[23:06] <bkerensa> means you get a guaranteed spot
[23:06] <akk> That would help -- what worries me is ending up spending 2 hours driving from bart station to bart station.
[23:06] <bkerensa> no doubt
[23:07] <bkerensa> imho (i am not a driver much... I car-share) if I owned a car I would try to park at Fremont/Ashby/San Leandro
[23:07] <akk> Cool, thanks, I'll look into reserving.
[23:08] <bkerensa> akk: https://www.parkingcarma.com/portals/bart/bartreservations.aspx
[23:08] <akk> Cool, thanks!
[23:10] <akk> (Except for the "we have encountered an error" when I try to go through the screens, sigh)
[23:11] <bkerensa> asp
[23:11] <bkerensa> >.<
[23:11] <akk> Looks like they require google-analytics javascript or the pages don't work at all.
[23:12] <bkerensa> =/
[23:12] <akk> Only the second time I've seen that (first time was on coursera and they've since fixed it).
[23:12] <bkerensa> oh west oakland bart has a garagew
[23:13] <bkerensa> akk: works for me... I got all the way to billing
[23:13] <akk> Driving to Oakland to take BART to Oakland seems a little strange, though.
[23:13] <bkerensa> :D