[00:19] greg-g: hey so [00:19] this battery thing won't work [00:19] I was going to gift daker my laptop with the small battery and just give you the extended one [00:20] but his visa got declined. :-/ [02:18] oh yeah, nice big sexy system monitor widget [02:50] jcastro: sad [02:51] jcastro: but no worries, I should just bite the bullet and order it from amazon/whatever. nothing is showing up on the lenovo outlet [05:04] rick_h: http://i.imgur.com/pfhuX.png [11:31] and the fun begins https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/988612 [11:39] http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/you-kids-today-i-dont-even/ [11:40] jcastro: Oh ffs [11:40] jcastro: lol on the pic [11:42] http://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2012-04-26-ooo-comparison.html [11:42] I eagerly await the shitstorm from this [11:43] Also Pro-Tip: Do not do an image search on razor fetish with even moderate safe search enabled. [11:44] snap-l: noted [12:08] kubuntu lts is released! [12:09] heh, no updates. i guess i'm already on it [12:16] anyone having trouble with dropbox install on 12.04? [12:17] Wooo [12:17] Happy Ubunut 12.04 day [12:17] Is it out? [12:17] Is it out? [12:17] Is it out? [12:17] Is it out? [12:17] Is it out? [12:17] Is it out? [12:18] 3 minutes ago Ubuntu posted a facebook status saying its out [12:18] however [12:18] they linked to www.ubunut.com [12:18] Is it out? [12:18] Is it out? [12:18] I lol'ed hard [12:18] Is it out? [12:18] Is it out? [12:18] ;) [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] v [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes [12:18] Yes! [12:18] Maybe now the bastards will respond to my application [12:18] damn spammers [12:19] which has been open for the last 30 days [12:19] Never had a canonical app open so long [12:19] usually they at least close it or contacted me within 1-2 weeks of applying [12:20] snap-l: so you following all the 'what's new in 12.04' posts yet? [12:21] link to a good one if you find it [12:21] i'm supposed to talk about this thing i've not used tonight [12:21] When is the penguicon release party? Fri or sat? [12:22] friday night, one hour window so be on time :) [12:22] brousch: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/04/26/ubuntu-12-04-lts-releases-today [12:22] come on, that's one sexy list ;) [12:22] I wont be there friday night [12:22] might come out saturday [12:22] you're not coming to my talk?! That's it, where's the kick function in here [12:23] lol [12:23] Make Canonical reply to my application, rick_h [12:23] MAKE IT SO [12:23] tjagoda: yea, I'll just send a nice 'all hands' email to all 500 people to get someone on it :P [12:24] just to all the recruiters and people in the technical account manager team, that'd be fine =P [12:24] rick_h_: that's actually quite disappointing. i know there has to be more good stuff. multiarch, bunch of unity stuff, annoying dns change [12:25] rick_h_: Wow, that's all sorts of sexy in that list [12:25] brousch: http://qa.ubuntu.com/ that's the big thing I'd bring up honestly [12:31] this fixed the dropbox problem for me http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-dropbox-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ [12:33] hmm, didn't have any issues here myself, but I think I might have installed from the ubuntu repos [12:38] i tried from the download from dropbox. it wanted some other version of a library [12:42] see bottom of page here: http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebInspector [12:42] links to here: http://muellerware.org/papers/weinre/manual.html [12:43] PainBank: http://www.webkit.org/blog/1875/announcing-remote-debugging-protocol-v1-0/ [12:43] doh, wrong links [12:44] errr forum. [12:44] rick_h_: thanks. [12:44] rick_h_: have you tried it yet? [12:44] PainBank: no, I've thought about trying it out on my phone but not gotten around to it yet [12:45] http://paulirish.com/2011/a-re-introduction-to-the-chrome-developer-tools/ [12:45] PainBank: I think Paul Irish demos it in this video ^ [12:48] yup, looks like it. have to watch it now. [12:50] ubuntu.com is getting seriously hammered [12:50] but [12:50] it still completes page requests [12:50] nicely done, netadmins [12:51] rick_h_: are you working full time or contracting still? [12:51] working full time for launchpad [12:51] cool [12:52] * PainBank jealous of rick_h_ , now need to do more, so I can get a coolio job like his. [12:52] Good morning all [12:57] rick: What time does CHC meet? [12:57] 8pm every wed [12:57] 7pm the last wed of the month [12:57] sounds good [12:58] http://coffeehousecode.appspot.com/locations/detroit.html [12:58] putting it in my calendar :D [12:58] Thank you [12:59] there was another new guy there last night working on learning python/flask [13:01] Do you know if he will be there next week? [13:02] no idea, never know who'll make it week to week [13:04] * PainBank loving the video from Paul Irish... using color #BADA55 [13:04] rick_h_: ya you do, your always there. And snap-l or at least most of the time you guys are. [13:07] So the GURUs of Python ;) [13:08] And rick, I will tell John about my comments for Python when he gets in and see what he says ;) [13:08] hah! [13:11] ho boy. [13:12] Apparently one of the bands that I was going to be interviewing isn't aware they put their music under a Creative Commons LIcense. [13:12] snap-l: doh! [13:12] Even though they have two albums under that license. [13:12] One of the interview questions I have is: [13:12] What prompted you to use Creative Commons over just releasing the [13:12] album "for free"? [13:12] snap: you interview bands? Local or National? [13:13] and they balked at the question [13:13] shakes808: International [13:13] Nice [13:13] Metal, I am assuming with your podcasts? [13:13] Ones that release under the Creative Commons license. [13:13] Yeah, they're all for the podccast. [13:13] nice [13:14] So I have to get that sorted prior to the interview. [13:14] http://spikethetomb.bandcamp.com/album/gods-be-forgotten-e-p [13:14] I listened to some of your podcasts, brings me back when I was doing radio programs and interview local bands lol and putting the band I was in on the air :D [13:14] snap-l: heh, they don't seem like the most organized band [13:14] The sick thing is they're REALLY good, so I'll be pretty upset if they decide not to release CC [13:15] shakes808: Ah, another radio junkie. ;) [13:15] CC? oh shit! we thought that meant pay with credit cards! [13:15] When I was in High School, we had a radio / tv program [13:15] brousch: They're actually more organized than you might think [13:15] I had like 2 - 3 shows I was either hosting or guesting on [13:15] shakes808: Ah, nice. How many watts? [13:15] Not sure, it was school ran [13:16] they had their stuff already set up and what not in the school [13:16] brousch: But yeah, I'm not sure how you would accidentally release under CC [13:16] so we had to make sure we edited the shit out of the songs [13:16] shakes808: Oh yeah [13:16] that was a fun expierence lol [13:16] We had folks review the albums to find the naughty words [13:16] I still listen to that station every now and again [13:16] lol [13:17] Unfortunately, someone forgot to mark Pop Will Eat Itself's "Not Now James" as NO! [13:17] we did all our own adverts and what not [13:17] It was awesome because I could plug my bands shows for free :D [13:17] :D [13:17] so I played "listen here cocksuckers, motherfuckers pay respect to my building" [13:17] got a call for that. :) [13:17] fortunately no fine. [13:17] That song that you posted in here is pretty good [13:17] I like the drums [13:17] :D [13:18] Are you FCC regulated? [13:18] Podcasts? No, thankfully [13:18] HA AH [13:18] HAHA [13:18] good [13:18] Though I do have a license still. [13:18] I thnk they're lifetime licenses. [13:18] thats cool [13:18] is it hard to run the casts? [13:19] Not really. I'll be putting one together at Penguicon this weekend as part of a podcasting presentation [13:19] nice [13:19] Penguicon is this weekend? [13:20] Yep [13:21] OOO B.Nektar is going to be there :( [13:21] MMMM MEEEEAAAD [13:21] They are a good bunch of people :D [13:24] Wish I could make it [13:24] maybe the next one [13:25] Do you know when the next one is? [13:26] a year from now ;) [13:26] ha ha [13:26] same dates? [13:26] or around the same dates? [13:27] Usually around the same time [13:27] cool, If I am able to go, for sure :D [13:34] this is why I fear the cloud for my use. I don't want a 1000$ bill one month because of my mistake: http://www.behind-the-enemy-lines.com/2012/04/google-attack-how-i-self-attacked.html [13:43] jrwren: yea, we've had that were test machines hang and you don't notice and end up running a large ec2 instance for days [13:48] geeez [13:48] :D [13:48] Interesting [13:56] Every time I think I have cracked the QoS nut, I feel like I have somehow screwed my network up even further. :) [13:58] http://ur1.ca/93u6t <- DIsney job [13:58] It's in Seattle, so rick_h_ is forbidden from taking it [13:59] bah, I just added seattle and portland to my weather.com quick list so I can see what I'm missing [14:00] bah, RHEL shop...can't do it [14:00] rick_h_: rain, with a chance of rain. Highs in the upper rain. Tonight: More rain with rain possible. Tomorrow: High chance of rain with rain flurries. [14:00] yay rain! [14:00] I think I'm going to have to pause planet Ubuntu for a while. [14:03] heh, ubuntu.com went boom [14:06] jcastro: cool microscope link [14:06] http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/you-kids-today-i-dont-even/ snap-l you see this? [14:07] rick_h_: what if they pay you tripple, would you do rhel then? [14:07] the thing that scares me about rhel shops is not the rhel, its that they are running rhel because they have to to get oracle support :( [14:08] jrwren: no idea. I guess it'd depend if they worked out building their own python/etc environments [14:08] rhel python dev scares me [14:08] Also, it's bring your spawn to work day today. [14:08] virtualenv I'm sure :) [14:08] mine is here...banging on the floor with his hammer :/ [14:08] Which means my already shot attention span is completely decimated. :) [14:09] jrwren: yea, but still py 2.4? 2.5? [14:09] jrwren: Yeah, I posted a link to that. [14:09] rick_h_: good point, a lot of rhel shops are running OLD ass linux versions. [14:09] snap-l: go with it, did the kids bring in snacks? [14:09] rick_h_: Oh, never thought of it from the taking candy aspect. [14:09] jrwren: exactly, and if that's the base, the rest of the stack doesn't usually get 'better' [14:10] snap-l: oh yea, that's the day we did the typiing speed competition [14:10] rick_h_ <- always with the great ideas. [14:10] get involved, day goes better and you'll actually have fun vs getting work done [14:10] Yeah, I don't mind kids. I love kids [14:10] use them as excuses to blow off steam for a day :) [14:11] Also, ubuntu.com uses Drupal? [14:11] (*sigh*) [14:13] now that you mention it, i was supporting an app that was running in a RHEL VPS. It had its own compiled python in /usr/local :) [14:14] jrwren: yea, that's what my old job starting doing. building their own python [14:14] but then you get into other libs you need, c-extension bits, etc [14:14] it can get messy trying to keep an old system up to date [14:23] yup [14:23] i've not had to do it recently [14:23] maintaining solaris/hpux/aix that is pretty much the norm :( [14:24] but i've not done that in 8 yrs. YAY! [14:28] I talked to John about some Python and he was talking about IPython and BPython for the text editor plugin [14:28] text editor plugin? [14:29] i think that is what it was [14:29] I use bpython for my shell, but not sure what plugin bit he means [14:29] maybe i just mis interrpreted [14:29] is this in pycharm or something? [14:30] he mentioned pycharm and that he didn't know about how Eclipse was with Python. He just uses VIM and mentioned about IPython and BPython [14:30] definitely check out bpython, good stuff [14:30] I will [14:30] right, use those in a shell on the side to check out stuff [14:30] I will check it out tonight :D [14:30] wtf is bpython? [14:31] forget tonight. do it now! [14:31] lol [14:31] I got work I need to do [14:31] jrwren: alternative to ipython shell [14:33] if you're not working in python you're doing it wrong! [14:33] lol [14:33] basically :P [14:34] unless you're using erlang for cool crap :) [14:35] bullshit. [14:35] language choice matters little [14:35] hah, successfully fed the trolls! :) [14:35] but i like your passion for your choice. [14:35] jrwren: I look forward to your web application written in branfuck [15:01] branfuck. The language that ruins your breakfast. [15:03] http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/201204/two_problems.html [15:03] ruins or the start to a beautiful morning ;) [15:08] lol [15:08] i like michael foord's comment [15:31] karma is a bitch [15:31] i get to dive into C# next week [15:32] C# isn't that bad [15:32] I was doing that for a few months not too long ago [15:34] it is bad because i need to use it to control autocad, so i need the ginat bloat of visual studio running alongside the giant bloat of autocad on my 6 year old sempron computer [15:34] HA HA [15:34] well, in that case [15:34] not to mention having to use windows ;) [15:34] yes that is bad [15:34] "Some people when confronted with a desire to use pithy quotes in their presentations think "I know, I'll use something from Star Wars". Now two problems they have." [15:34] H AHA [15:35] If you can deal with Visual Studios 2008, it isn't as bloated as 2010 [15:35] It doesn't add as many pointless files when compiling [15:36] i will use whatever free visual studio microsoft is kind enough to give me [15:36] but then it has been awhile since I used it, so never know [15:36] lol [15:36] Visual Studios Express [15:37] Not as full featured.... [15:37] i guess i could technically use VB.NET [15:37] will still need VS [15:40] i could try ironpython, but i'm worried about supporting that long-term [15:41] you can try http://www.mono-project.com/CSharp_Compiler [15:41] all of the tutorials and help use visual studio, so i'll stick with that for now [15:41] ok [15:42] you could also just use vim and command line C# compilers from MSFT [15:43] if you REALLY want to avoid VS that badly. [15:43] i really just want to get this done so i can move on to better things ;) [15:44] basically we have a really old VB plugin in autocad, but in 64bit win7 it is causing all kinds of slowness because VB is being deprecated in autocad [15:45] and it has some other half-ass pieces like java that dumps data from foxpro for the VB plugin [15:46] so i want to rewrite the autocad plugin using .NET and have it pull from postgresql [15:58] rick_h_: to step back in time, yesterday. The IDE stuff that I was asking about and the var/www stuff. When talking to John he said that it was a little more difficult to set up Eclipse [15:59] I should try to stick with VIM and maybe the BPython and veer away from using and IDE, is this a good assumption to make? [16:01] heh, you're asking the wrong guy here. There's only one valid answer to that. [16:02] and in this case it really was a Wednesday [16:02] lol [16:02] and ... [16:03] I am guessing no ? lol ;) [16:06] aptana has some nice features, but vim will be better in the long run [16:06] vim has a steeper learning curve [16:39] Then VIM it is [16:41] shakes808: you can catch up some here: http://lococast.net/archives/category/screencast [16:48] Thank you... but.... where is VIM 1? lol [16:48] I see it [16:48] you are pushing them down [16:48] Oh blogs [16:48] lol [16:52] see what happens when your actions are quicker than your reason lol [17:40] ok, this whole google/oracle thing is getting me scared [17:40] don't be yet [17:40] I'm starting to look at things where I 'copy' an api and this would be illegal (if they were copyright'd) [17:41] delicious api for bookie, readable api for the text parsing [17:41] we do stuff with amazon aws api copying/implementing [17:41] kind of spooky [17:41] yeah, don't worry about that, really [17:42] I'm overreacting to the idea that twitter copyrights their api and status.net can't implement something similar so clients can connect? [17:42] just change all get_* methods to retreive_* [17:42] or just that there's little chance that goes through [17:42] these are just the arguments made by a corp trying to restrict usage of their stuff by any means. (C) is a bad fit for an api (the structure of one, the descriptions of the things, maybe, but very thin) [17:42] and all set_* to make_it_so_* [17:42] little chance the argument will stick [17:42] IANAL, TINLA [17:42] oh I agree that it makes no sense, but I have little faith in a jury of my non-tech peers :) [17:43] luckily, the judge is deciding this point [17:43] not the jury [17:43] ah, k [17:43] I wonder why Ubuntu still pushes 32bit as the default download [17:43] screw your 32 bits [17:43] I want 54 [17:43] and even 64 [17:43] yeah, he thought it was too technical, both technology and (C)-law wise for a jury to do it well (which, is a sad sign for (C) law, really) [17:43] wtf is up with dl.google.com today? [17:43] yea, but it sure is [17:43] is the judge any better? [17:43] I havne't been following it much [17:44] the people that decide such very technical things is a bit scary [17:44] ColonelPanic001: re copyright law, hopefully. They at least know what scense a faire means [17:44] and I don't even know that [17:44] (C) concept [17:44] I assumed. [17:44] Mister "I anal", in here with this foriegn words [17:44] hah [17:45] his fancy foreign speak [17:45] 'you sure sound like one of them foreiner laaaaaaaywery people, get a rope' [17:45] like starting a noir film with a rainy night with a guy walking down a street with only one street lamp and he's wearing a trench coat and hat... not protected by (C) since thats exactly what noir is, it's how you do it [17:45] rick_h_: Just rest assured that if Larry Ellison gets his way, we'll all have a very good reason to recycle our keyboards [17:45] I hereby copyrite the QWERTY layout. [17:45] because programming won't be fun anymore. [17:46] I've got a better idea "larry Ellison was beat senseless tonight outside his home with what is believed to be a Model-m or replicant keyboard." [17:46] Everyone must now all use a unique layout [17:46] replicants? [17:46] "They sure built those things well didn't they" [17:46] Yes [17:46] * ColonelPanic001 calls Han Solo [17:46] Model-M keyboards so evolved they reproduce themselves [17:46] epic [17:46] 403291461126605635584000000 combos. I think it's do-able. [17:46] System76 has day 1 support for 12.04 [17:47] usually you have to wait a month for them to update their driver tool [17:47] snap-l: perfect. Your keyboard layout can double as an IP address, and solve that issue, too [17:47] I'll have to go home and take OpenSUSE off the laptop now [17:47] tjagoda: yea, I'm happy that they've got the update right in step [17:47] I'm getting darned tempted to get a system76 desktop for an upcoming machine [17:47] rick_h_: But what about your nipples? [17:48] for the desktop [17:48] If my desktop wasn't still upgradeable I would have a system76 everything [17:48] system76 lacks nipples? [17:48] I don't see myself ever getting a non-thinkpad laptpo [17:48] brousch: pretty much, they're crazy like that [17:48] Yeah, System76 can't show nipples [17:48] fail [17:48] because they're patented. [17:48] dell has them [17:48] Dell pays to show nipples. [17:48] even the HP/Dell nipples fail with lack of middle button [17:48] they license them [17:48] Rick_H wants this bad boy: https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/leox3 [17:49] lack of middle button is one thing keeping me off unity [17:49] tjagoda: heh, was looking one level down [17:49] brousch: Lack of a middle button should keep you off of X Windows [17:49] https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/wilp8 [17:49] not just Unity. [17:49] ? [17:49] The one with teh sexy top-mount USB ports? [17:49] i don't need it normally [17:50] tjagoda: I think so [17:52] we'll see though, if ivy bridge hits laptops this summer I might just keep on the laptop only train [17:52] rick_h_: I thought you would build your own [17:52] snap-l: desktop? [17:52] yeah [17:52] I have, but honestly I don't have time these days and supporting system76 seems like a good plan [17:53] God, that plexiglass window would keep me off the leopard extreme [17:53] meh, under a desk they all look the same [17:53] I just want many big cpus and much much ram [17:53] rick_h_: Like a loud nightlight. [17:54] I'm going to go to snap-l's Ubuntu panel [17:54] and sit in the front [17:54] for trolling purposes [17:55] tjagoda: Please do. It'll save me from hitting someone else. [17:55] ^accidentally [17:56] I'd be a little leery of the Wildebeast Performance System 76 machine [17:56] Epic [17:56] Looks like it has a funky power supply [17:56] https://c12278716.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/wilddog-6fe5466b286efcb.png [17:56] Define funky [17:57] non-standard [17:57] built into the case [17:57]