[00:19] <jcastro> greg-g: hey so
[00:19] <jcastro> this battery thing won't work
[00:19] <jcastro> I was going to gift daker my laptop with the small battery and just give you the extended one
[00:20] <jcastro> but his visa got declined. :-/
[02:18] <brousch> oh yeah, nice big sexy system monitor widget
[02:50] <greg-g> jcastro: sad
[02:51] <greg-g> jcastro: but no worries, I should just bite the bullet and order it from amazon/whatever. nothing is showing up on the lenovo outlet
[05:04] <jcastro> rick_h: http://i.imgur.com/pfhuX.png
[11:31] <brousch> and the fun begins https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/988612
[11:39] <snap-l> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/you-kids-today-i-dont-even/
[11:40] <snap-l> jcastro: Oh ffs
[11:40] <rick_h_> jcastro: lol on the pic
[11:42] <snap-l> http://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2012-04-26-ooo-comparison.html
[11:42] <snap-l> I eagerly await the shitstorm from this
[11:43] <snap-l> Also Pro-Tip: Do not do an image search on razor fetish with even moderate safe search enabled.
[11:44] <brousch> snap-l: noted
[12:08] <brousch> kubuntu lts is released!
[12:09] <brousch> heh, no updates. i guess i'm already on it
[12:16] <brousch> anyone having trouble with dropbox install on 12.04?
[12:17] <tjagoda> Wooo
[12:17] <tjagoda> Happy Ubunut 12.04 day
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:17] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <tjagoda> 3 minutes ago Ubuntu posted a facebook status saying its out
[12:18] <tjagoda> however
[12:18] <tjagoda> they linked to www.ubunut.com
[12:18] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <tjagoda> I lol'ed hard
[12:18] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <snap-l> Is it out?
[12:18] <snap-l> ;)
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> v
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes
[12:18] <tjagoda> Yes!
[12:18] <tjagoda> Maybe now the bastards will respond to my application
[12:18] <brousch> damn spammers
[12:19] <tjagoda> which has been open for the last 30 days
[12:19] <tjagoda> Never had a canonical app open so long
[12:19] <tjagoda> usually they at least close it or contacted me within 1-2 weeks of applying
[12:20] <rick_h_> snap-l: so you following all the 'what's new in 12.04' posts yet?
[12:21] <brousch> link to a good one if you find it
[12:21] <brousch> i'm supposed to talk about this thing i've not used tonight
[12:21] <tjagoda> When is the penguicon release party?  Fri or sat?
[12:22] <rick_h_> friday night, one hour window so be on time :)
[12:22] <rick_h_> brousch: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/04/26/ubuntu-12-04-lts-releases-today
[12:22] <rick_h_> come on, that's one sexy list ;)
[12:22] <tjagoda> I wont be there friday night
[12:22] <tjagoda> might come out saturday
[12:22] <rick_h_> you're not coming to my talk?! That's it, where's the kick function in here
[12:23] <tjagoda> lol
[12:23] <tjagoda> Make Canonical reply to my application, rick_h
[12:23] <tjagoda> MAKE IT SO
[12:23] <rick_h_> tjagoda: yea, I'll just send a nice 'all hands' email to all 500 people to get someone on it :P
[12:24] <tjagoda> just to all the recruiters and people in the technical account manager team, that'd be fine =P
[12:24] <brousch> rick_h_:  that's actually quite disappointing. i know there has to be more good stuff. multiarch, bunch of unity stuff, annoying dns change
[12:25] <snap-l> rick_h_: Wow, that's all sorts of sexy in that list
[12:25] <rick_h_> brousch: http://qa.ubuntu.com/ that's the big thing I'd bring up honestly
[12:31] <brousch> this fixed the dropbox problem for me http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-dropbox-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[12:33] <rick_h_> hmm, didn't have any issues here myself, but I think I might have installed from the ubuntu repos
[12:38] <brousch> i tried from the download from dropbox. it wanted some other version of a library
[12:42] <PainBank> see bottom of page here: http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebInspector
[12:42] <PainBank> links to here: http://muellerware.org/papers/weinre/manual.html
[12:43] <rick_h_> PainBank: http://www.webkit.org/blog/1875/announcing-remote-debugging-protocol-v1-0/
[12:43] <PainBank> doh, wrong links
[12:44] <PainBank> errr forum.
[12:44] <PainBank> rick_h_: thanks.
[12:44] <PainBank> rick_h_: have you tried it yet?
[12:44] <rick_h_> PainBank: no, I've thought about trying it out on my phone but not gotten around to it yet
[12:45] <rick_h_> http://paulirish.com/2011/a-re-introduction-to-the-chrome-developer-tools/
[12:45] <rick_h_> PainBank: I think Paul Irish demos it in this video ^
[12:48] <PainBank> yup, looks like it.  have to watch it now.
[12:50] <tjagoda> ubuntu.com is getting seriously hammered
[12:50] <tjagoda> but
[12:50] <tjagoda> it still completes page requests
[12:50] <tjagoda> nicely done, netadmins
[12:51] <PainBank> rick_h_: are you working full time or contracting still?
[12:51] <rick_h_> working full time for launchpad
[12:51] <PainBank> cool
[12:52]  * PainBank jealous of rick_h_ , now need to do more, so I can get a coolio job like his.
[12:52] <shakes808> Good morning all
[12:57] <shakes808> rick: What time does CHC meet?
[12:57] <rick_h_> 8pm every wed
[12:57] <rick_h_> 7pm the last wed of the month
[12:57] <shakes808> sounds good
[12:58] <rick_h_> http://coffeehousecode.appspot.com/locations/detroit.html
[12:58] <shakes808> putting it in my calendar :D
[12:58] <shakes808> Thank you
[12:59] <rick_h_> there was another new guy there last night working on learning python/flask
[13:01] <shakes808> Do you know if he will be there next week?
[13:02] <rick_h_> no idea, never know who'll make it week to week
[13:04]  * PainBank loving the video from Paul Irish... using color #BADA55
[13:04] <PainBank> rick_h_: ya you do, your always there.  And snap-l or at least most of the time you guys are.
[13:07] <shakes808> So the GURUs  of Python ;)
[13:08] <shakes808> And rick, I will tell John about my comments for Python when he gets in and see what he says ;)
[13:08] <rick_h_> hah!
[13:11] <snap-l> ho boy.
[13:12] <snap-l> Apparently one of the bands that I was going to be interviewing isn't aware they put their music under a Creative Commons LIcense.
[13:12] <rick_h_> snap-l: doh!
[13:12] <snap-l> Even though they have two albums under that license.
[13:12] <snap-l> One of the interview questions I have is:
[13:12] <snap-l> What prompted you to use Creative Commons over just releasing the
[13:12] <snap-l> album "for free"?
[13:12] <shakes808> snap: you interview bands? Local or National?
[13:13] <snap-l> and they balked at the question
[13:13] <snap-l> shakes808: International
[13:13] <shakes808> Nice
[13:13] <shakes808> Metal, I am assuming with your podcasts?
[13:13] <snap-l> Ones that release under the Creative Commons license.
[13:13] <snap-l> Yeah, they're all for the podccast.
[13:13] <shakes808> nice
[13:14] <snap-l> So I have to get that sorted prior to the interview.
[13:14] <snap-l> http://spikethetomb.bandcamp.com/album/gods-be-forgotten-e-p
[13:14] <shakes808> I listened to some of your podcasts, brings me back when I was doing radio programs and interview local bands lol and putting the band I was in on the air :D
[13:14] <brousch> snap-l: heh, they don't seem like the most organized band
[13:14] <snap-l> The sick thing is they're REALLY good, so I'll be pretty upset if they decide not to release CC
[13:15] <snap-l> shakes808: Ah, another radio junkie. ;)
[13:15] <brousch> CC? oh shit! we thought that meant pay with credit cards!
[13:15] <shakes808> When I was in High School, we had a radio / tv program
[13:15] <snap-l> brousch: They're actually more organized than you might think
[13:15] <shakes808> I had like 2 - 3 shows I was either hosting or guesting on
[13:15] <snap-l> shakes808: Ah, nice. How many watts?
[13:15] <shakes808> Not sure, it was school ran
[13:16] <shakes808> they had their stuff already set up and what not in the school
[13:16] <snap-l> brousch: But yeah, I'm not sure how you would accidentally release under CC
[13:16] <shakes808> so we had to make sure we edited the shit out of the songs
[13:16] <snap-l> shakes808: Oh yeah
[13:16] <shakes808> that was a fun expierence lol
[13:16] <snap-l> We had folks review the albums to find the naughty words
[13:16] <shakes808> I still listen to that station every now and again
[13:16] <shakes808> lol
[13:17] <snap-l> Unfortunately, someone forgot to mark Pop Will Eat Itself's "Not Now James" as NO!
[13:17] <shakes808> we did all our own adverts and what not
[13:17] <shakes808> It was awesome because I could plug my bands shows for free :D
[13:17] <shakes808> :D
[13:17] <snap-l> so I played "listen here cocksuckers, motherfuckers pay respect to my building"
[13:17] <snap-l> got a call for that. :)
[13:17] <snap-l> fortunately no fine.
[13:17] <shakes808> That song that you posted in here is pretty good
[13:17] <shakes808> I like the drums
[13:17] <shakes808> :D
[13:18] <shakes808> Are you FCC regulated?
[13:18] <snap-l> Podcasts? No, thankfully
[13:18] <shakes808> HA AH
[13:18] <shakes808> HAHA
[13:18] <shakes808> good
[13:18] <snap-l> Though I do have a license still.
[13:18] <snap-l> I thnk they're lifetime licenses.
[13:18] <shakes808> thats cool
[13:18] <shakes808> is it hard to run the casts?
[13:19] <snap-l> Not really. I'll be putting one together at Penguicon this weekend as part of a podcasting presentation
[13:19] <shakes808> nice
[13:19] <shakes808> Penguicon is this weekend?
[13:20] <snap-l> Yep
[13:21] <shakes808> OOO B.Nektar is going to be there :(
[13:21] <shakes808> MMMM MEEEEAAAD
[13:21] <shakes808> They are a good bunch of people :D
[13:24] <shakes808> Wish I could make it
[13:24] <shakes808> maybe the next one
[13:25] <shakes808> Do you know when the next one is?
[13:26] <rick_h_> a year from now ;)
[13:26] <shakes808> ha ha
[13:26] <shakes808> same dates?
[13:26] <shakes808> or around the same dates?
[13:27] <snap-l> Usually around the same time
[13:27] <shakes808> cool, If I am able to go, for sure :D
[13:34] <jrwren> this is why I fear the cloud for my use. I don't want a 1000$ bill one month because of my mistake: http://www.behind-the-enemy-lines.com/2012/04/google-attack-how-i-self-attacked.html
[13:43] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, we've had that were test machines hang and you don't notice and end up running a large ec2 instance for days
[13:48] <shakes808> geeez
[13:48] <shakes808> :D
[13:48] <shakes808> Interesting
[13:56] <snap-l> Every time I think I have cracked the QoS nut, I feel like I have somehow screwed my network up even further. :)
[13:58] <snap-l> http://ur1.ca/93u6t <- DIsney job
[13:58] <snap-l> It's in Seattle, so rick_h_ is forbidden from taking it
[13:59] <rick_h_> bah, I just added seattle and portland to my weather.com quick list so I can see what I'm missing
[14:00] <rick_h_> bah, RHEL shop...can't do it
[14:00] <snap-l> rick_h_: rain, with a chance of rain. Highs in the upper rain. Tonight: More rain with rain possible. Tomorrow: High chance of rain with rain flurries.
[14:00] <rick_h_> yay rain!
[14:00] <snap-l> I think I'm going to have to pause planet Ubuntu for a while.
[14:03] <rick_h_> heh, ubuntu.com went boom
[14:06] <jrwren> jcastro: cool microscope link
[14:06] <jrwren> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/you-kids-today-i-dont-even/  snap-l you see this?
[14:07] <jrwren> rick_h_: what if they pay you tripple, would you do rhel then?
[14:07] <jrwren> the thing that scares me about rhel shops is not the rhel, its that they are running rhel because they have to  to get oracle support :(
[14:08] <rick_h_> jrwren: no idea. I guess it'd depend if they worked out building their own python/etc environments
[14:08] <rick_h_> rhel python dev scares me
[14:08] <snap-l> Also, it's bring your spawn to work day today.
[14:08] <jrwren> virtualenv I'm sure :)
[14:08] <rick_h_> mine is here...banging on the floor with his hammer :/
[14:08] <snap-l> Which means my already shot attention span is completely decimated. :)
[14:09] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, but still py 2.4? 2.5?
[14:09] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, I posted a link to that.
[14:09] <jrwren> rick_h_: good point, a lot of rhel shops are running OLD ass linux versions.
[14:09] <rick_h_> snap-l: go with it, did the kids bring in snacks?
[14:09] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh, never thought of it from the taking candy aspect.
[14:09] <rick_h_> jrwren: exactly, and if that's the base, the rest of the stack doesn't usually get 'better'
[14:10] <rick_h_> snap-l: oh yea, that's the day we did the typiing speed competition
[14:10] <snap-l> rick_h_ <- always with the great ideas.
[14:10] <rick_h_> get involved, day goes better and you'll actually have fun vs getting work done
[14:10] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't mind kids. I love kids
[14:10] <rick_h_> use them as excuses to blow off steam for a day :)
[14:11] <snap-l> Also, ubuntu.com uses Drupal?
[14:11] <snap-l> (*sigh*)
[14:13] <jrwren> now that you mention it, i was supporting an app that was running in a RHEL VPS. It had its own compiled python in /usr/local :)
[14:14] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, that's what my old job starting doing. building their own python
[14:14] <rick_h_> but then you get into other libs you need, c-extension bits, etc
[14:14] <rick_h_> it can get messy trying to keep an old system up to date
[14:23] <jrwren> yup
[14:23] <jrwren> i've not had to do it recently
[14:23] <jrwren> maintaining solaris/hpux/aix that is pretty much the norm :(
[14:24] <jrwren> but i've not done that in 8 yrs. YAY!
[14:28] <shakes808> I talked to John about some Python and he was talking about IPython and BPython for the text editor plugin
[14:28] <rick_h_> text editor plugin?
[14:29] <shakes808> i think that is what it was
[14:29] <rick_h_> I use bpython for my shell, but not sure what plugin bit he means
[14:29] <shakes808> maybe i just mis interrpreted
[14:29] <rick_h_> is this in pycharm or something?
[14:30] <shakes808> he mentioned pycharm and that he didn't know about how Eclipse was with Python. He just uses VIM and mentioned about IPython and BPython
[14:30] <rick_h_> definitely check out bpython, good stuff
[14:30] <shakes808> I will
[14:30] <rick_h_> right, use those in a shell on the side to check out stuff
[14:30] <shakes808> I will check it out tonight :D
[14:30] <jrwren> wtf is bpython?
[14:31] <brousch> forget tonight. do it now!
[14:31] <shakes808> lol
[14:31] <shakes808> I got work I need to do
[14:31] <rick_h_> jrwren: alternative to ipython shell
[14:33] <brousch> if you're not working in python you're doing it wrong!
[14:33] <shakes808> lol
[14:33] <rick_h_> basically :P
[14:34] <rick_h_> unless you're using erlang for cool crap :)
[14:35] <jrwren> bullshit.
[14:35] <jrwren> language choice matters little
[14:35] <rick_h_> hah, successfully fed the trolls! :)
[14:35] <jrwren> but i like your passion for your choice.
[14:35] <snap-l> jrwren: I look forward to your web application written in branfuck
[15:01] <ColonelPanic001> branfuck. The language that ruins your breakfast.
[15:03] <rick_h_> http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/201204/two_problems.html
[15:03] <shakes808> ruins or the start to a beautiful morning ;)
[15:08] <jrwren> lol
[15:08] <jrwren> i like michael foord's comment
[15:31] <brousch> karma is a bitch
[15:31] <brousch> i get to dive into C# next week
[15:32] <shakes808> C# isn't that bad
[15:32] <shakes808> I was doing that for a few months not too long ago
[15:34] <brousch> it is bad because i need to use it to control autocad, so i need the ginat bloat of visual studio running alongside the giant bloat of autocad on my 6 year old sempron computer
[15:34] <shakes808> HA HA
[15:34] <shakes808> well, in that case
[15:34] <brousch> not to mention having to use windows ;)
[15:34] <shakes808> yes that is bad
[15:34] <snap-l> "Some people when confronted with a desire to use pithy quotes in their presentations think "I know, I'll use something from Star Wars". Now two problems they have."
[15:34] <shakes808> H AHA
[15:35] <shakes808> If you can deal with Visual Studios 2008, it isn't as bloated as 2010
[15:35] <shakes808> It doesn't add as many pointless files when compiling
[15:36] <brousch> i will use whatever free visual studio microsoft is kind enough to give me
[15:36] <shakes808> but then it has been awhile since I used it, so never know
[15:36] <shakes808> lol
[15:36] <shakes808> Visual Studios Express
[15:37] <shakes808> Not as full featured....
[15:37] <brousch> i guess i could technically use VB.NET
[15:37] <shakes808> will still need VS
[15:40] <brousch> i could try ironpython, but i'm worried about supporting that long-term
[15:41] <shakes808> you can try http://www.mono-project.com/CSharp_Compiler
[15:41] <brousch> all of the tutorials and help use visual studio, so i'll stick with that for now
[15:41] <shakes808> ok
[15:42] <jrwren> you could also just use vim and command line C# compilers from MSFT
[15:43] <jrwren> if you REALLY want to avoid VS that badly.
[15:43] <brousch> i really just want to get this done so i can move on to better things ;)
[15:44] <brousch> basically we have a really old VB plugin in autocad, but in 64bit win7 it is causing all kinds of slowness because VB is being deprecated in autocad
[15:45] <brousch> and it has some other half-ass pieces like java that dumps data from foxpro for the VB plugin
[15:46] <brousch> so i want to rewrite the autocad plugin using .NET and have it pull from postgresql
[15:58] <shakes808> rick_h_: to step back in time, yesterday. The IDE stuff that I was asking about and the var/www stuff. When talking to John he said that it was a little more difficult to set up Eclipse
[15:59] <shakes808> I should try to stick with VIM and maybe the BPython and veer away from using and IDE, is this a good assumption to make?
[16:01] <rick_h_> heh, you're asking the wrong guy here. There's only one valid answer to that.
[16:02] <shakes808> and in this case it really was a Wednesday
[16:02] <shakes808> lol
[16:02] <shakes808> and ...
[16:03] <shakes808> I am guessing no ? lol ;)
[16:06] <brousch> aptana has some nice features, but vim will be better in the long run
[16:06] <brousch> vim has a steeper learning curve
[16:39] <shakes808> Then VIM it is
[16:41] <rick_h_> shakes808: you can catch up some here: http://lococast.net/archives/category/screencast
[16:48] <shakes808> Thank you... but.... where is VIM 1? lol
[16:48] <shakes808> I see it
[16:48] <shakes808> you are pushing them down
[16:48] <shakes808> Oh blogs
[16:48] <shakes808> lol
[16:52] <shakes808> see what happens when your actions are quicker than your reason lol
[17:40] <rick_h_> ok, this whole google/oracle thing is getting me scared
[17:40] <greg-g> don't be yet
[17:40] <rick_h_> I'm starting to look at things where I 'copy' an api and this would be illegal (if they were copyright'd)
[17:41] <rick_h_> delicious api for bookie, readable api for the text parsing
[17:41] <rick_h_> we do stuff with amazon aws api copying/implementing
[17:41] <rick_h_> kind of spooky
[17:41] <greg-g> yeah, don't worry about that, really
[17:42] <rick_h_> I'm overreacting to the idea that twitter copyrights their api and status.net can't implement something similar so clients can connect?
[17:42] <ColonelPanic001> just change all get_* methods to retreive_*
[17:42] <rick_h_> or just that there's little chance that goes through
[17:42] <greg-g> these are just the arguments made by a corp trying to restrict usage of their stuff by any means. (C) is a bad fit for an api (the structure of one, the descriptions of the things, maybe, but very thin)
[17:42] <ColonelPanic001> and all set_* to make_it_so_*
[17:42] <greg-g> little chance the argument will stick
[17:42] <greg-g> IANAL, TINLA
[17:42] <rick_h_> oh I agree that it makes no sense, but I have little faith in a jury of my non-tech peers :)
[17:43] <greg-g> luckily, the judge is deciding this point
[17:43] <greg-g> not the jury
[17:43] <rick_h_> ah, k
[17:43] <tjagoda> I wonder why Ubuntu still pushes 32bit as the default download
[17:43] <tjagoda> screw your 32 bits
[17:43] <tjagoda> I want 54
[17:43] <tjagoda> and even 64
[17:43] <greg-g> yeah, he thought it was too technical, both technology and (C)-law wise for a jury to do it well (which, is a sad sign for (C) law, really)
[17:43] <brousch> wtf is up with dl.google.com today?
[17:43] <rick_h_> yea, but it sure is
[17:43] <ColonelPanic001> is the judge any better?
[17:43] <ColonelPanic001> I havne't been following it much
[17:44] <rick_h_> the people that decide such very technical things is a bit scary
[17:44] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: re copyright law, hopefully. They at least know what scense a faire means
[17:44] <ColonelPanic001> and I don't even know that
[17:44] <greg-g> (C) concept
[17:44] <ColonelPanic001> I assumed.
[17:44] <ColonelPanic001> Mister "I anal", in here with this foriegn words
[17:44] <rick_h_> hah
[17:45] <tjagoda> his fancy foreign speak
[17:45] <rick_h_> 'you sure sound like one of them foreiner laaaaaaaywery people, get a rope'
[17:45] <greg-g> like starting a noir film with a rainy night with a guy walking down a street with only one street lamp and he's wearing a trench coat and hat... not protected by (C) since thats exactly what noir is, it's how you do it
[17:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: Just rest assured that if Larry Ellison gets his way, we'll all have a very good reason to recycle our keyboards
[17:45] <ColonelPanic001> I hereby copyrite the QWERTY layout.
[17:45] <snap-l> because programming won't be fun anymore.
[17:46] <rick_h_> I've got a better idea "larry Ellison was beat senseless tonight outside his home with what is believed to be a Model-m or replicant keyboard."
[17:46] <ColonelPanic001> Everyone must now all use a unique layout
[17:46] <ColonelPanic001> replicants?
[17:46] <rick_h_> "They sure built those things well didn't they"
[17:46] <tjagoda> Yes
[17:46]  * ColonelPanic001 calls Han Solo
[17:46] <tjagoda> Model-M keyboards so evolved they reproduce themselves
[17:46] <tjagoda> epic
[17:46] <snap-l> 403291461126605635584000000 combos. I think it's do-able.
[17:46] <tjagoda> System76 has day 1 support for 12.04
[17:47] <tjagoda> usually you have to wait a month for them to update their driver tool
[17:47] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l: perfect. Your keyboard layout can double as an IP address, and solve that issue, too
[17:47] <tjagoda> I'll have to go home and take OpenSUSE off the laptop now
[17:47] <rick_h_> tjagoda: yea, I'm happy that they've got the update right in step
[17:47] <rick_h_> I'm getting darned tempted to get a system76 desktop for an upcoming machine
[17:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: But what about your nipples?
[17:48] <rick_h_> for the desktop
[17:48] <tjagoda> If my desktop wasn't still upgradeable I would have a system76 everything
[17:48] <brousch> system76 lacks nipples?
[17:48] <rick_h_> I don't see myself ever getting a non-thinkpad laptpo
[17:48] <rick_h_> brousch: pretty much, they're crazy like that
[17:48] <snap-l> Yeah, System76 can't show nipples
[17:48] <brousch> fail
[17:48] <snap-l> because they're patented.
[17:48] <brousch> dell has them
[17:48] <snap-l> Dell pays to show nipples.
[17:48] <rick_h_> even the HP/Dell nipples fail with lack of middle button
[17:48] <rick_h_> they license them
[17:48] <tjagoda> Rick_H wants this bad boy: https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/leox3
[17:49] <brousch> lack of middle button is one thing keeping me off unity
[17:49] <rick_h_> tjagoda: heh, was looking one level down
[17:49] <snap-l> brousch: Lack of a middle button should keep you off of X Windows
[17:49] <tjagoda> https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/wilp8
[17:49] <snap-l> not just Unity.
[17:49] <tjagoda> ?
[17:49] <tjagoda> The one with teh sexy top-mount USB ports?
[17:49] <brousch> i don't need it normally
[17:50] <rick_h_> tjagoda: I think so
[17:52] <rick_h_> we'll see though, if ivy bridge hits laptops this summer I might just keep on the laptop only train
[17:52] <snap-l> rick_h_: I thought you would build your own
[17:52] <rick_h_> snap-l: desktop?
[17:52] <snap-l> yeah
[17:52] <rick_h_> I have, but honestly I don't have time these days and supporting system76 seems like a good plan
[17:53] <snap-l> God, that plexiglass window would keep me off the leopard extreme
[17:53] <rick_h_> meh, under a desk they all look the same
[17:53] <rick_h_> I just want many big cpus and much much ram
[17:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Like a loud nightlight.
[17:54] <tjagoda> I'm going to go to snap-l's Ubuntu panel
[17:54] <tjagoda> and sit in the front
[17:54] <tjagoda> for trolling purposes
[17:55] <snap-l> tjagoda: Please do. It'll save me from hitting someone else.
[17:55] <snap-l> ^accidentally
[17:56] <snap-l> I'd be a little leery of the Wildebeast Performance System 76 machine
[17:56] <tjagoda> Epic
[17:56] <snap-l> Looks like it has a funky power supply
[17:56] <snap-l> https://c12278716.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/wilddog-6fe5466b286efcb.png
[17:56] <tjagoda> Define funky
[17:57] <snap-l> non-standard
[17:57] <snap-l> built into the case
[17:57] <snap-l> requiring a special order to replace
[17:58] <tjagoda> hm
[17:58] <snap-l> We, rather the wild dog performance
[17:58] <snap-l> dumb code-names
[17:58] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, I think that's why I went up a level
[17:58] <rick_h_> that one seemed pretty normal as I'd be dropping in my own HD, video card, etc
[17:59] <snap-l> Why is it I have less of a problem knowing what parts go into my laptop, but when it comes to a desktop, I start getting picky.
[17:59] <tjagoda> Because you're old
[18:00]  * tjagoda nods
[18:00]  * tjagoda also ducks
[18:00] <snap-l> https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/leox3
[18:00] <brousch> crotchety
[18:00] <snap-l> Those memory sticks just scream "we're going to fail"
[18:01] <tjagoda> Okay
[18:01] <snap-l> The liquid cooling screams "we're going to leak"
[18:01] <rick_h_> you do have bad luck with memory snap-l
[18:01] <tjagoda> wtf?
[18:01] <tjagoda> I've had factory sealed liquid cooling for 6 years
[18:01] <snap-l> That video card screams "not brand name"
[18:01] <tjagoda> trasnported in my car sideways and upside down
[18:01] <snap-l> rick_h_: Do I? :)
[18:01] <tjagoda> through CPU replacements
[18:01] <tjagoda> 0 leaks
[18:01] <brousch> tjagoda: because you're young
[18:02] <snap-l> Had problems with Crucial memory, but I think it was because of some timing issues with the mobo and the memory.
[18:02] <rick_h_> yea, all the more reason to get a box assembled and shipped
[18:02] <rick_h_> fire it up, burn in before you ship it to me, if it fails one phone #
[18:02] <tjagoda> trufax
[18:03] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, and frankly for a laptop they could use "Happy Happy Fum MEMRY" and I wouldn't care
[18:03] <snap-l> but put it in a desktop, and I freak
[18:03] <rick_h_> as long as it runs
[18:04] <rick_h_> but that's back to trusting thinkpad
[18:04] <snap-l> Or maybe it's the lack of control, and the hope that it works.
[18:04] <tjagoda> I want to see thinkpad somehow betray rick_h
[18:04] <snap-l> I don't open my laptop unless it breaks
[18:04] <rick_h_> heh, I follow the CEO on G+ and have interviewed him. I'm not above spamming if my crap comes back as crap
[18:04] <tjagoda> just so I can view the rage
[18:04] <snap-l> I open my desktop to clean it.
[18:04] <snap-l> so I see the components at least monthly.
[18:05] <tjagoda> I wish my system76 laptop would die
[18:05] <snap-l> tjagoda: Give it to me
[18:05] <tjagoda> then I could have an excuse to buy an even more expensive system76
[18:05] <tjagoda> =(
[18:05] <snap-l> I'll make sure it's properly disposed of
[18:06] <snap-l> right next to the smouldering corpse of RIM. ;)
[18:06] <snap-l> (cheap shot, yes, I know)
[18:06] <rick_h_> nixternal: dude, who the #$#@ are blue systems?
[18:06] <snap-l> KDe support group
[18:07] <snap-l> Oh fuck me.
[18:07] <brousch> BLUE SYSTEMS ARE GOD
[18:07] <rick_h_> so like who are they, how do they exist, how do they make money, how would a fan give them money?
[18:07] <snap-l> Brought up Google plus, and front and center: "You might like: System 76"
[18:07] <rick_h_> http://blue-systems.com/ tells me jack @#$#@$@#
[18:07] <greg-g> they make money via horrible web design, that's how
[18:07] <brousch> rick_h_: linux action show covered it a little bit
[18:07] <rick_h_> I mean, it's great they're supporting stuff, but *how* are they doing it I want to know
[18:08] <snap-l> brousch: You still listen / watch that show?
[18:08] <rick_h_> I keep seeing people go work there, but that website is all the info about them I ever see
[18:08] <tjagoda> I also watch the Linux Action Show
[18:08] <brousch> i like them better than linux outlaws
[18:08] <rick_h_> yea, I thought they all lost their mics...or was that hoped they did...I can't recall ;)
[18:09] <tjagoda> They would need to loose more than mics, as they stream in HD video..
[18:09] <brousch> i like their cheesy broadcasting antics
[18:09] <tjagoda> I enjoy Bryan's cheesy antics
[18:19] <nixternal> rick_h_: i have no idea who blue systems are nor do i know how they operate or get money
[18:19] <nixternal> there isn't much out there about them either
[18:19] <rick_h_> nixternal: ok, your blog post made it seem like you might know more
[18:19] <nixternal> i just know how successful they have made mint
[18:20] <rick_h_> I didn't realize they were involved with mint
[18:20] <nixternal> just the kde version of it
[18:20] <brousch> isn't it just mint kde?
[18:20] <nixternal> yup
[18:20] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha. See I didn't know there was a mint kde lol
[18:21] <nixternal> mint & mint kde are probably 2 of the most solid distros out there. it is insane how well they are created and how well they run
[18:21] <nixternal> out of the box experience is bar none the best of any linux distro with mint
[18:21] <brousch> i want to try netrunner now
[18:22] <rick_h_> man, how many levels of distro do you want?
[18:22] <rick_h_> debian->ubuntu->kubuntu->netrunner?
[18:22] <nixternal> right now i am trying to figure out how a package i am working on can create a unity launcher icon or whatever it is called automatically.
[18:22] <rick_h_> nixternal: don't you justneed a .desktop file?
[18:22] <nixternal> where the hell does it go?
[18:22] <rick_h_> or you mean to get it placed on the panel automatically
[18:23] <nixternal> yes, place it in the panel automagically
[18:23] <rick_h_> lamo https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/pull/566
[18:23] <nixternal> i was going to rip on ubuntu & unity for making this so difficult, but kubuntu & kde isn't any easier
[18:23] <nixternal> and I am doing this w/o a /home/ directory because it is all configured and built in a chroot
[18:24] <rick_h_> yea, not sure.
[18:25] <brousch> don't you throw it in with the rest of the .desktop files to get it in the menu, then let the user add it where they want to?
[18:25] <nixternal> #ubuntu-unity must be enjoying release day. they are all probably at a bar right now
[18:25] <rick_h_> heh, probably
[18:25] <rick_h_> where's DBO when you need him?
[18:26] <nixternal> and i haven't found a damn thing via googling, and there could be a good chance it is due to the fact that i don't know the unity terminology and what is what. i just want to put an icon in that bar on the left during a package install.
[18:26] <rick_h_> he must know everything about it ;)
[18:27] <brousch> nixternal: during or after?
[18:27] <nixternal> i played with unity the other day. i think it is well done, but the fact i can't move the bar from the left to the right is nuts. you can download an app or compiz crap and move it to the bottom. my multi-monitor setup makes unity awful because of that damn bar
[18:27] <nixternal> brousch: either will work, as long as it is done automagically
[18:29] <nixternal> the reason i use linux is because i can do what i want and i am not locked into a certain way of working like windows makes you do, but unity is copying that philosophy i feel. great you want to limit the screw ups and bug reports, but damn, don't force me to change my workflow
[18:29] <brousch> i am in love with kde
[18:29] <nixternal> i could care less anymore what i use, as long as my workflow remains the same
[18:30] <nixternal> i am a ctrl+~ and alt+f2 whore
[18:30] <nixternal> ctrl+~ for yakuake
[18:30] <nixternal> i don't need a stinkin' menu
[18:30] <brousch> alt-f2 is  nice
[18:31] <brousch> i put a big sexy system monitor on my desktop yesterday
[18:31] <shakes808> coming in late in the conversation, but why not just build one yourself? Didn't price components but wouldn't it be the same thing?
[18:31] <nixternal> i had ubuntu w/ unity setup damn near perfectly. instead of yakuake had terminator, which is almost as good as yakuake. alt+f2 in unity is almost nice, but the fact I type something in and then have to arrow or tab my way to what i want is a bit crazy (executable wise that is)
[18:31] <brousch> so big and garish it must be kde
[18:32] <nixternal> alt+f2 -> type in terminal -> have fun w/o having to go to your mouse
[18:32] <Blazeix> i use dmenu for that, it's quite snappy
[18:33] <Blazeix> i think rick_h_ uses/used gmrun
[18:33] <rick_h_> gmrun!!!
[18:33] <nixternal> isnt' that alt+o or p, can't remember. i used it in dwm/awesome/wmii and stuff
[18:33] <nixternal> yeah, rick_h_ uses awesome iirc
[18:33] <rick_h_> shakes808: it's the time spent pulling together locations/prices on parts, debugging assembly, etc
[18:33] <rick_h_> nixternal: yea, still on awesome
[18:33] <rick_h_> gets the job done baby!
[18:34] <nixternal> get off that crap and go with dwm already
[18:34] <rick_h_> lol
[18:34] <rick_h_> I thought I tried dwm, isn't that even more old school?
[18:34] <nixternal> i seriously enjoy dwm and even monster
[18:34] <nixternal> they are all the same, dwm is c and not some haskell or whatever crap
[18:34] <nixternal> you build your config in to the source code which is nice
[18:35] <shakes808> I guess there is some differences with OS then? I have made Win machines and doesn't take too long.
[18:35] <nixternal> talk about fast, though i doubt you would ever notice any speed increases/decreases in dwm/awesome/wmii/xmonad and such. they are all fast already
[18:35] <rick_h_> yea, exactly
[18:35] <rick_h_> that's the thing, once it's working there's so little motiviation to change because wtf it works
[18:36] <rick_h_> now if it breaks...I'll be jumping over and trying xmonad again
[18:36] <rick_h_> but got better things to do at this point
[18:36] <brousch> shakes808: you do not know the level of obsession rick_h_ has for any seemingly trivial project/purchase
[18:36] <nixternal> created a package and use quilt to create and manage my patches for dwm. then use git to store everything which is nice
[18:36] <shakes808> lol
[18:37] <rick_h_> shakes808: oh no, os isn't the issue. install ubuntu off usb stick is a 20min deal and that's only because 10min is spent thinking of a hostname
[18:37] <shakes808> well, you need to make sure that you get the best deal and powerful hardware :D I spend some time figuring out what I want to put together as well
[18:37] <rick_h_> after that one scp and make install and done :)
[18:37] <nixternal> brousch: i have to agree on that. rick_h_ does obsess like that. he was trying to do something not to long ago, can't remember off hand. i think it was with jenkins
[18:37] <rick_h_> well mostly
[18:37] <rick_h_> tested baby! http://build.bmark.us/
[18:37] <nixternal> though jenkins really isn't trivial
[18:38] <rick_h_> nixternal: try out heroku tornado app http://readable.bmark.us/
[18:38] <nixternal> gotta love that java!
[18:38] <rick_h_> ugh, I do hate java, but not going to install build-not
[18:38] <rick_h_> and travis hates my c-extension required python packages :/
[18:38] <rick_h_> and it won't do stuff like pep8/pylint linting
[18:38] <shakes808> rick_h_: what is the link you sent?
[18:39] <rick_h_> shakes808: which one?
[18:39] <shakes808> lol build.bmark.us
[18:39] <rick_h_> the first is my home jenkins server running tests and such for my stuff on github
[18:39] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie
[18:39] <rick_h_> https://bmark.us/ is my bookmark app
[18:39] <rick_h_> readable is the service I need to get integrating into bmark.us
[18:41] <shakes808> *over head and nods*  .... okay
[18:41] <shakes808> lol
[18:41] <rick_h_> shakes808: pm me your email and I'll invite you to bmark.us
[18:41] <nixternal> damn, i just realized my mouse-overs don't work on my jenkins setup. shows you how non-obsessive i am. didn't realize it until looking at rick_h_'s
[18:42] <rick_h_> nixternal: you still @ ubuntu.com?
[18:42] <nixternal> use gmail.com
[18:42] <rick_h_> ok, invites sent, sign up and tinker around
[18:43] <nixternal> my @ubuntu.com stuff is unreadable at this point. i haven't done an inbox zero on it in probably 2 years. i will just do a "Mark all as read" on it from time-to-time
[18:43] <rick_h_> heh, gotcha
[18:46] <brousch> this article seems to imply that blue systems will offer commercial support for kubuntu http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/kubuntu-they-have-invested-millions-in-it/
[18:49] <brousch> oooh, jcastro made it into zdnet http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-1204-arrives-and-its-great/10836
[18:50] <jcastro> i did?
[18:51] <jcastro> oh cool
[18:51] <jcastro> dang, he stripped out my user code from the URL
[18:51] <jcastro> I miss out on a badge!
[18:52] <rick_h_> lol
[18:53] <brousch> heh
[18:55] <snap-l> I think my desktop is due for a re-install because I didn't move to 11.10
[18:55] <snap-l> bah
[18:55] <rick_h_> install all the bits!
[18:55] <snap-l> Not doing it the weekend before Penguicon.
[18:56] <rick_h_> do it do it do it
[18:56] <snap-l> Er, night rather.
[18:56] <snap-l> rick_h_: Shooooooosh
[18:56] <snap-l> I am completely removing my music drive, though
[18:57] <brousch> you need to do it today!
[18:57] <snap-l> Putting it in a separate house
[18:57] <snap-l> so Ubuntu can't touch it
[18:58]  * nixternal converts to the annoying assholes who keep posting the same crap over and over in an irc channel just to get help
[18:58] <nixternal> next step, ALL CAPS!
[19:00] <nixternal> wonder what kind of results i would get on askubuntu
[19:00] <nixternal> i had someone answer one of my questions with the wrong stuff & it was marked with a green checkmark. though that was a long time ago
[19:00] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/kubuntu-1204-sysmonitor-hawt.png
[19:01] <snap-l> nixternal: I HAS A PROBLEM WITH MY MOUSEKEYBOARD CAN NE1 HALP?
[19:01] <snap-l> nixternal: I HAS A PROBLEM WITH MY MOUSEKEYBOARD CAN NE1 HALP?
[19:01] <snap-l> H4LLO?
[19:01] <nixternal> i haven't gone there yet, but i am close
[19:01] <snap-l> NE1HERE!?!
[19:01] <nixternal> brousch: is that the system monitor installed with default kde or is that off of kde-look
[19:02] <brousch> default, though i tweaked the default kubuntu theme
[19:02] <snap-l> HOWU GET THAT?
[19:02] <nixternal> if i could have sex with my new laptop i would
[19:02] <brousch> i prefer gray to blue
[19:02] <snap-l> MAKE MAI KDE R4W3K
[19:02] <brousch> i love the network graph as i torrent all the isos
[19:03] <nixternal> i never see my desktop, so I don't use a single plasma widget
[19:03] <brousch> i just switch to an empty workspace
[19:03] <jrwren> rick_h_: does twitter really claim (c) over their API? because IIRC that is not copyrightable. That is how projects like WINE are allowed to clone win32 api.
[19:03] <nixternal> heh, i don't use plasma widgets, activities, the menu, workspaces, and such. sometimes i wonder why i still use kde
[19:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: right, but if this oracle/google case comes out that api's ARE copyrightable then what's to prevent twitter from doing it
[19:04] <brousch> no workspaces?
[19:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: so that's why I say it's scary
[19:04] <nixternal> nope
[19:04] <nixternal> all i really use are: yakuake, chrome, thunderbird, kopete, and polly
[19:04] <brousch> barbaric. might as well use windows
[19:04] <nixternal> and out of all of those, only 2 are kde
[19:05] <nixternal> oh, and i use the printer applet that has been broken since we created it 5 years ago
[19:06] <nixternal> for 3 years now the same bug has existed, but nobody but me can confirm it because i have spaces in the samba share name of my printer
[19:06] <snap-l> nixternal: broken printer FTW
[19:06] <nixternal> then again, i use my printer probably 5 times a year
[19:07] <snap-l> so that's 25x you've noticed it being broken and haven't fixed it
[19:07] <snap-l> I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY
[19:07] <nixternal> and for the fun of it, i connect to various people's wifi networks and use their printers. it would be safe to say, there are probably 10 printers right now that have a Kubuntu Flyer sitting there waiting for them to read it today :)
[19:08] <snap-l> nixternal: I'd be righteously mad if I wasn't laughing right now
[19:08] <nixternal> snap-l: yeah, i should really look into fixing it, but the issue is with the freedesktop.org stuff, and dealing with them is like trying to shover razer blades up your nose
[19:08] <jrwren> rick_h_: i'm pretty sure that API (C) has been in court and precident was that it is not (c)able. dates back to BSD reimpl of unix stuff IIRC. Would have to be something compelling to overturn that precedent.
[19:09] <snap-l> Just for grins, why do you have your printer shared over Samba?
[19:09] <snap-l> jrwren: See Oracle
[19:09] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, that's what greg-g is saying..don't worry about it. But it is scary to kind of think the damange that this case *could* have
[19:09] <rick_h_> at worst case it takes a while to clean up the mess
[19:10] <jrwren> i see.
[19:10] <jrwren> now i'll probably lose sleep over it :(
[19:10] <rick_h_> lol
[19:14] <snap-l> The big problem is it's one of those dippy things that people might think can be copyrighted
[19:16] <greg-g> dude, I'm totally copyrighting that idea
[19:16] <snap-l> But if you abstracted it and said something like an electrical outlet can be copyrighted, they'd think you were insane
[19:17] <snap-l> greg-g: You'll need to sign my NDA
[19:17] <greg-g> actually, I've spoke with some who think "well, if you made something you can prevent anyone from doing anything with it, so of course, it can be copyrighted, patented, trademarked, and locked up beyond belief"
[19:17] <snap-l> Yeah, those folks drive me insane
[19:17] <greg-g> sorry, you fail at society. go back to kindergarten
[19:18] <snap-l> Usually they're the same peope who think Amway works
[19:18] <greg-g> lol
[19:18] <snap-l> There are a handful of people who got rich off of Amway. They own Grand Rapids.
[19:18] <brousch> amways does work
[19:18] <snap-l> and most of West Michigan
[19:18] <brousch> see
[19:18] <greg-g> define "work"
[19:19] <nixternal> went to askubuntu with my issue seeing as irc isn't working for an answer :/
[19:19] <snap-l> greg-g: The people at the top of the pyramid
[19:19] <greg-g> snap-l: zactly
[19:19] <nixternal> snap-l: amway added to my grandparents fortune back in the day, just south of grand rapids
[19:19] <snap-l> nixternal: IRC is useless for questions on release week
[19:19] <greg-g> snap-l: but we don't call it a pyramid, it is Multi-Level Marketing
[19:19] <snap-l> nixternal: Awesome. Did they get in early?
[19:20] <brousch> rick devos just started a new $15,000,000 startup seed fund today
[19:20] <brousch> at least they do good things with the money
[19:20] <nixternal> snap-l: iirc they were doing it in the 70s, definitely early 80s
[19:20] <snap-l> brousch: Never said they didn't. Just find a pattern between the intellectual property folks and those who like get-rich-quick schemes.
[19:20] <nixternal> when we cleaned out their house after they passed, we found so much amway shit from way back in the day. everything must have come in metal tins back then
[19:21] <nixternal> damn, askubuntu can be addicting.
[19:21]  * nixternal closes it quickly
[19:23] <nixternal> http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/ubuntu1204.png?tag=siu-container;attachment_10839  <- is that an ubuntu wallpaper? i really like it
[19:23] <greg-g> nixternal: heh, don't turn into jcastro on AskUbuntu
[19:23] <jcastro> I will be up all night
[19:23] <jcastro> again
[19:23] <jcastro> like I was last night
[19:23] <greg-g> haha
[19:23] <snap-l> Downloaded 1,209 times
[19:23] <greg-g> ok, go help the man out
[19:24] <snap-l> http://archive.org/details/OpenMetalcastEpisode45CasuConsulto
[19:24] <nixternal> jcastro: your east coast s3 mirror is giving me access denied errors
[19:24] <rick_h_> ok, I didn't want a drobo but this is kind of sweet http://goo.gl/8j7xX
[19:25] <nixternal> i wanted to try it :/  thank god for Fermi Lab & Argonne. stupid fast mirrors
[19:25] <greg-g> yeah, Argonne ftw
[19:25] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's pretty interesting.
[19:25] <greg-g> I was updating at 1.2 meg a second at work (the top I usually get from anywhere)
[19:26] <brousch> i had decent results from wayne state
[19:26] <jcastro> nixternal: you need to turn off pipelining in apt
[19:26] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/a/125252/235
[19:26] <jcastro> then it should max out your connection
[19:27] <nixternal> ahhh
[19:27] <nixternal> you are an askubuntu whore to come up with an answer that damn fast
[19:28] <jrwren> DO turn into jcastro on askubuntu. good answers benefits us all
[19:28] <nixternal> use your whoreness to get an answer for my unity question on there :)
[19:28] <brousch> jcastro _is_ askubuntu
[19:28] <nixternal> ^^ i agree, his damn avatar is on every question I have come across. even kde ones
[19:29] <nixternal> how you haven't burned out on that one yet is beyond me. you burned out on much less back in 2006 when you went bat shit crazy on the planet
[19:29] <brousch> i think they moved him to florida to plug his brain directly into the askubuntu servers
[19:29] <jcastro> it's mostly fixing grammar and spelling
[19:30] <nixternal> which, i recommend everyone read. you need to have a little archive.org love thrown in with some 'whiprush' googling :p
[19:30] <jcastro> I didn't go "bat shit"
[19:30] <jcastro> I just quit
[19:30] <nixternal> oh you went bat shit on your post
[19:30] <jcastro> I didn't sell out and buy a mac like some people *cough*
[19:30] <nixternal> who bought a mac?
[19:31]  * jrwren raises hand
[19:31] <nixternal> specialkevin is the only mac sellout i know
[19:31] <jrwren> i wanted to dev for my iphone!
[19:31] <nixternal> hahahaha
[19:31] <nixternal> and now jrwren :D
[19:31] <jrwren> but i sold out and ran windows 8 yrs prior to that.
[19:32] <nixternal> jrwren: you could have done that in virtualbox
[19:32] <jrwren> pretty much right when I met jcastro i quit doing linux on desktop
[19:32] <jrwren> nixternal: do what in vbox? vbox didn't exist 8 yrs ago, and no, you can't do ios dev in vbox.
[19:32] <snap-l> jcastro has that effect on people
[19:32] <nixternal> get jcastro drunk and then side with spot from fedora/red hat. now that was some classic shit right there
[19:32] <jrwren> not to mention: I hate vbox and oracle a little more than i hate VM at all. i run bare metal.
[19:33] <jrwren> who is spot from fedora/rh?
[19:33] <snap-l> jrwren: VBox is the one thing Oracle hasn't completely screwed up
[19:33] <nixternal> you talk about passion, i swear he almost cried
[19:33] <nixternal> tom callaway
[19:33] <nixternal> ^^spot
[19:33] <brousch> snap-l: (yet)
[19:34] <nixternal> he is their engineering manager
[19:34] <snap-l> brousch: I rue the day they do
[19:34] <snap-l> KVM is a dog on my hardware.
[19:34] <jrwren> at least their bash has /dev/tcp support.
[19:36] <nixternal> snap-l: nice on that drobo. i knew that was bound to happen with amazon when i was at cleversafe. i built that same exact machine in 3 different versions. sata, sass, and ssd. our sass box was a hit, ssd not so at the time, still to expensive
[19:36] <nixternal> and we used insanely cheap hardware too
[19:37] <rick_h_> nixternal: yea, I put a lot of stuff into s3 myself, but I would be tempted to look at hte cost if I could backup parts of my nas to s3
[19:37] <rick_h_> make it nice and simple
[19:38] <jcastro> drobos suck though
[19:38] <rick_h_> oh hell, maybe my nas does support it http://www.synology.com/us/products/features/backup_server.php
[19:38]  * rick_h_ needs to go home and check it out now
[19:39] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, definitely not a drobo fan, but <3 the s3 bit. Get that offsite backup on right off your NAS and skip crap like carbonite
[19:40] <jcastro> yea that is def hot action
[19:44] <greg-g> rick_h_: still having speed issues with yours?
[19:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: well it's slow for mass backups. But for doing hourly rsync I don't notice
[19:44] <rick_h_> so once I got the initial copies over it does its job well
[19:44] <jrwren> if it can't max out gigabit, its slow.
[19:44] <rick_h_> atom cpu == rsync fail
[19:45] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, 5MB/s maxed cpu
[19:45] <nixternal> rick_h_: which synology product do you have?
[19:45] <rick_h_> but now it's very quiet, very power effecient
[19:45] <rick_h_> nixternal: the ds212j
[19:45] <greg-g> I like those qualities (quiet and efficient)
[19:45] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, exactly
[19:46] <jrwren> i keep my things in a closet far from where I sit, so quiet is nice. power efficient would be nice, but I can afford the $2/mo operating cost.
[19:46] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, but it was more the cost of upgrading to a higher end device + more bays + more disk
[19:47] <nixternal> rick_h_: yeah, i was looking at that one or the 411 slim
[19:47] <rick_h_> really a decent priced deice for getting NAS functionality. Reminds me need to setup my wife's laptop so we can back her up and get her on 12.04
[19:48] <rick_h_> nixternal: yea, the cpu is very limited and I'm using rsync for my backups to it, max's out at 5MB/s
[19:48] <rick_h_> setup is a bit strange, but nothing a linux use can't get past
[19:48] <rick_h_> it comes ootb without firmware
[19:48] <nixternal> i like what my buddy did. he grabbed these small systems and set one up with tahoe. pretty damn sweet & fast
[19:49] <rick_h_> tahoe?
[19:49] <nixternal> he bought them at tiger direct for like $75 each and then grabbed drives for them
[19:49] <nixternal> tahoelafs, distributed file system
[19:49] <rick_h_> ah ok
[19:50] <rick_h_> it's nice for that warm/fuzzy feeling of safe backups going constantly
[19:50] <nixternal> you wouldn't even realize what the machines are when you look at them, because they look exactly like a wireless router
[19:50] <rick_h_> hah
[19:50] <nixternal> he has like 4TB of space, and if one fails, his data is still golden
[19:53] <nixternal> ok, he is no longer using tahoe, he has switched to openstack object storage
[19:53] <rick_h_> ah nice
[19:53] <nixternal> damn, making me want to buy a few small rigs to do the same thing
[20:35] <brousch> hm, it took 2 years but i finally "lost" all 5 of my 1GB usb drives
[20:35] <rick_h_> doh, time to order more!
[20:35] <brousch> and by lost i mean did not get them back when people used them to install ubuntu at meetings
[20:36] <rick_h_> you know what would rock, a 64gb esata thumbdrive
[20:36] <rick_h_> guess it would need power hmmm
[20:38] <snap-l> It's called SSD. ;)
[20:39] <rick_h_> snap-l: right, but without a case, small thumbdrive size
[20:39] <rick_h_> but that's the idea right, ssd in a thumbdrive
[20:40] <shakes808_> Later all
[20:42] <rick_h_> sweet, my synology does have the s3 backup, I forsee an increase in my s3 bill next month
[20:46] <brousch> i love kubuntu. that is all
[20:47] <brousch> i can download a dozen torrents while buring a cd while copying tons of crap to usb and have no slowness in my other programs
[21:06] <nixternal> rick_h_: what do you average on your s3 bill? i haven't committed yet to setting up my amazon stuff. how much do you typically store/use it?
[21:16] <rick_h_> nixternal: so it says I've got 32GB of stuff in there for 4.00
[21:16] <rick_h_> nixternal: that's last month's stuff, I do bmark.us db dumps and exports twice a day to s3
[21:17] <rick_h_> as well as lococast episodes, some other backup stuff, my purchased books, screenshots, etc
[21:17] <rick_h_> nixternal: so $3 more in transfer fees there of 27GB of transfer out
[21:19] <nixternal> damn, just $4/mo for 32gb of stuff?
[21:32] <rick_h_> nixternal: yea, for the storage, and $3 for the outbound transfer, free to put it in
[21:33] <snap-l> just CC all of your data and put it on archive.org. ;)
[21:33] <rick_h_> lol
[21:33] <snap-l> freebits4lyfeyo
[21:33] <rick_h_> $0.125 per GB - first 1 TB / month of storage used
[21:34] <rick_h_> so if I backed up my whole backup drive, 900GB of it to s3 it'd be $112/mo :/
[21:34] <rick_h_> ok, so we'll definitely scale back from the whole drive
[21:36] <nixternal> lol
[21:37] <greg-g> snap-l++
[21:39] <nixternal> snap-l: good idea, let me CC all of my tax returns & social security number while I am at it :p
[21:40] <nixternal> shouldn't be hard to at least figure out the first 3 numbers of my social. born in michigan in 1974
[21:42] <greg-g> nixternal: your SSN isn't protected by (C) in the first place.
[21:42] <greg-g> neither are your tax returns
[21:43] <nixternal> interesting, my first 3 numbers in my social aren't michigan, i always thought they were
[21:43] <nixternal> another interesting thing is illinois numbers are lower than michigan numbers. michigan is further east than illinois, therefor they should have lower numbers. numbers are the lowest in the northeast, and increase as you move westward
[21:47] <nixternal> DAMNIT! i removed libreoffice & gnome-games from my custom iso, and added new packages. somehow my ISO is 740MB :/
[21:47] <nixternal> oh, 711MB, still to big
[21:47] <theflakeman> so, i have kind of a noob question here
[21:48] <theflakeman> i'm dual-booting win7 and natty
[21:48] <theflakeman> i want to wipe natty and do a clean install of precise
[21:48] <theflakeman> do i need to change anything in my grub, or anything?
[21:52] <theflakeman> Oh, also: win7 and ubuntu are on separate drives
[22:37] <theflakeman> well, backin up my files now. we'll see what happens, i suppose
[22:41] <theflakeman> later
[23:18] <snap-l> Well, we can't yell that theflakeman didn't wait.
[23:28] <rick_h_> snap-l: ok, it's time to get a new radio
[23:37] <rick_h_> bah, the logitech remote app doesn't run on ICS and my nexus :(
[23:39] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh that sucks. :(
[23:43] <snap-l> rick_h_: There's another one, though. One sech.
[23:43] <snap-l> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer&feature=related_apps#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwOSwiZGUuYmx1ZWdhc3BvZGUuc3F1ZWV6ZXBsYXllciJd
[23:43] <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^
[23:44] <rick_h_> snap-l: cool, yea looks like they did push an update that makes it work, works sucky, but does run
[23:44] <rick_h_> and the wife is pre-ICS so going to get it and just hope they update the app or use an alternate you lik mention
[23:44] <snap-l> Yeah, the logitech software was kinda crappy on the iPhone as well
[23:44] <snap-l> I used iPeng on the iPhone
[23:45] <rick_h_> so thanks for the coupon
[23:45] <snap-l> yw. :)
[23:45] <snap-l> I knew it would come in handy.
[23:45] <snap-l> Are you running software players now?
[23:46] <rick_h_> no
[23:46] <rick_h_> I just want the box to work, right now trying to stream the draft and it won't connect to the stream :/
[23:46] <snap-l> Wait, what are you using as a client?
[23:46] <rick_h_> I'm buying a box, no client. I want it to be the radio
[23:47] <rick_h_> I'm using my grace to connect to the espn radio stream
[23:47] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[23:47] <snap-l> You can pre-flight the Squeezebox software
[23:47] <snap-l> use squeezeslave as a software client
[23:47] <rick_h_> yea, all good. I'll tinker with it at some point
[23:48] <snap-l> lmk if you need help
[23:48] <rick_h_> will do, not springing for the extra shipping so we'll see in a couple of weeks
[23:49]  * snap-l waits for rick_h_ to pick up a transporter. :)
[23:50] <rick_h_> transporter?
[23:50] <snap-l> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/transporter-se
[23:50] <snap-l> aka death by stereo
[23:50] <rick_h_> hah
[23:51] <snap-l> Erica catches you buying that, you'll be sleeping with Jordan.
[23:51] <rick_h_> heh, yea I think I'll stay away from that
[23:51] <snap-l> The touch is nice, though
[23:51] <snap-l> Also if you can find the classic on eBay for cheap, it's nice.
[23:52] <rick_h_> the touch doesn't seem to have much for a speaker
[23:52] <snap-l> The touch is a component
[23:52] <snap-l> needs an amplifier / speakers
[23:52] <rick_h_> yea, that's ok. Just want something I can pull pandora in for the boy, some espn/local radio while doing the dishes
[23:53] <snap-l> Trust me, it's an addition
[23:53] <rick_h_> otherwise I just use my phone or my laptop
[23:53] <snap-l> addiction
[23:53] <rick_h_> hah
[23:53] <rick_h_> that's ok, I've got enough of those
[23:54] <nixternal> damn, that logitech is a lot of money
[23:54] <rick_h_> the transporter?
[23:54] <rick_h_> yea, that's crazy
[23:54] <nixternal> my samsung blueray does all that
[23:55] <rick_h_> yea, this is upstairs where it's the only device
[23:55] <rick_h_> we don't have tv/computers/etc where we play with the boy
[23:55] <snap-l> nixternal: The transporter is for people who measure their listening experience with a meter
[23:55] <nixternal> i bet that would be the only way you could tell a difference
[23:56] <nixternal> i use ampache and every network enabled device in my house can stream from it
[23:56] <snap-l> Yeah, the nice part about the Squeezebox is you can control each of the clients
[23:57] <snap-l> and sync them
[23:57] <nixternal> i was gonna brign up the squeezebox. my neighbor hates his
[23:57] <snap-l> nixternal: Why?
[23:58] <nixternal> i guess latency/lag issues
[23:58] <snap-l> wtf?
[23:58] <snap-l> Sounds like his network is a POS.
[23:58] <nixternal> i have no idea, i just no it will stop playing
[23:59] <nixternal> very well could be, but he has gig net all through the house. i know, i put it in there :)