[00:00] <andygraybeal> Visig0th, SW, hey i'm SE
[00:00] <andygraybeal> what time EST is 12.04 going to be released?
 UTC 21:00...Can use an online converter if you want 'cause I'm lazy at the current moment
[00:04] <andygraybeal> Visig0th, you like the pinkdots or edward ka-spel?
[00:11] <Visig0th> Haven't heard of either andygraybeal, are they musical groups?
[00:12] <andygraybeal> yes, i'm judging you by your nick and it is a band from the 80s.. up through now.
[00:13] <andygraybeal> long time my favorite.  i don't listen to much music anymore accept IDM though.
[00:18] <Visig0th> Ah, well my nick was chosen more than a decade ago when I used to do historical research, at the time I was studying the Visigothic and Ostrogothic peoples.
[00:20] <Visig0th> Musically I like some pop, electronic music, such as Joy Electric, NIN, Depeche Mode, and other groups that catch my attention.
[00:20] <andygraybeal> aah nice nice
[00:21] <andygraybeal> yes, i don't know joy electric, but i think i would like it.
[00:23] <andygraybeal> i'm so excited for 12.04 :)
[00:38] <Visig0th> I am too, looking forward to upgrading some servers.
[00:38] <Visig0th> Actually, I'm putting off a server move until its released with the hopes to make use of it.
[00:51] <andygraybeal> ah nice
[00:52] <andygraybeal> firstly, i'm can't wait to load it on my laptop.  secondly the servers :)
[00:52]  * canthus13 avoided that trainwreck.
[00:53]  * canthus13 will stay away from Unity, tyvm. :)
[00:53] <andygraybeal> i'm happy w/ 10.04 :)  well.. and the libreoffice ppa (i run a terminal server at work with userspace apps)
[00:53] <andygraybeal> i like unity, i don't know why people are so crabby about it. there are plenty of options anyway.
[00:54] <canthus13> andygraybeal: yup. I switched to Mint. It's based on Ubuntu, uses many of the same packages.
[00:54] <andygraybeal> like i'm expecting to use the failback mode for our machines at work.
[00:54] <andygraybeal> but i will wait to make up my mind after i have tested everything.
[00:55]  * canthus13 prefers gnome 3 over unity, and openbox over most anything. :P
[00:55] <andygraybeal> as far as alternatives go, i think i did scrotwm :)
[00:56] <andygraybeal> one, it sounds like my ball sack, two it's awesome.
[00:56] <andygraybeal> *dig
[04:45] <Cheri703> Unit193: I will believe it when it isn't spelled valvle
[04:46] <Unit193> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1 (Wasn't loading before)
[14:34] <andygraybeal_> ":)))) i got 12.04 :)
[14:34] <andygraybeal_> it looks like lcars!!!!!!!!!
[14:55] <thafreak> when's the official launch for 12.04?
[14:55] <thafreak> is it like the 29th or something?
[14:57] <paultag> it launched today thafreak
[14:57] <paultag> thafreak: http://www.ubuntu.com/
[14:57] <paultag> extremely on time
[15:03] <andygraybeal_> it's today!
[15:04] <andygraybeal_> #ubuntu-release-party :))))))
[15:04] <andygraybeal_> i already have it installed!!!
[15:04] <andygraybeal_> yay
[15:04] <andygraybeal_> i had to use the torrent, nothing else would work
[15:40] <Cheri703> as with all releases, it raises the age old question: upgrade or fresh reinstall?
[15:40] <andygraybeal_> fresh fresh, never upgrade .. ever ever.
[15:40] <thafreak> wow today, how odd...i thought it was always basically the very end of the month, like the 29th
[15:41] <Cheri703> yeah, I hear that often, then hear people do find with upgrading
[15:41] <thafreak> sweet
[15:41] <Cheri703> I don't have time to deal with reinstalling at this point, but I'd like to play with it
[15:41] <thafreak> well, i want to freshly install a base server that i can make clone'd vm's from :)
[15:41] <andygraybeal_> make time, that's why it's a scheduled relelase :P
[15:41] <andygraybeal_> yea, i run everythign in vms :)
[15:42] <Cheri703> this week is CRAZY busy and I need to be cramming for a "deeply technical" interview on monday on top of working from home before and after work, aaand trying to study for sec+ test in a few weeks AND doing regular life stuff around the house >.<
[15:42] <thafreak> need to upgrade my remote desktop vm...and my ltsp vm
[15:42] <andygraybeal_> ltsp ftw!!!
[15:43] <thafreak> Cheri703: unless you need the machine you're upgrading, can't you just let it do it's thing while you study :)
[15:43] <thafreak> Anyone know if there is anything new in the way of remote desktop stuff in precise?
[15:44] <thafreak> I'm currently using really old freenx stuff...
[15:44] <Cheri703> but the re-setting up everything
[15:44] <Cheri703> some of it requires hands-on
[15:44] <thafreak> bah, just do that as you go along :)
[15:44] <jrgifford> the pangolin is unleashed.
[15:45] <thafreak> hey, watch it, this is a family freindly channel...
[15:45] <thafreak> oh, wait, i see what you did there...
[15:45] <jrgifford> lol what thafreak ? ;)
[15:45] <thafreak> put your pangolin away...lol
[15:45]  * jrgifford facepalms
[15:46] <andygraybeal_> i use x2go
[15:46] <andygraybeal_> but it's not new
[15:46] <andygraybeal_> er i mean with 10.04
[15:46] <Cheri703> the other thought is to just hold off, as in a month or so I'm hoping to have saved up for a new (SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful) laptop, or I may be putting a new mobo in one around here
[15:46] <thafreak> i think that's what they switched to...or were talking of switching to, since it's actively developed
[15:46] <jrgifford> Cheri703: nah, trust me, don't hold off.
[15:46] <jrgifford> the performance gains that i get with 12.04 knocks 11.10 out of the water.
[15:46] <paultag> debian ftw
[15:47] <paultag> jrgifford: perhaps with Unity ;)
[15:47] <paultag> the rest of the OS is about the same
[15:47] <thafreak> even with full disk crypto? :)
[15:47] <paultag> fuck that mess
[15:47] <paultag> dd + gpg ftw :)
[15:47] <jrgifford> compiling everything seems to take less time as well,
[15:47] <thafreak> i just use dm crypt and LUKS containers...
[15:47] <jrgifford> but i'm not sure if that's my hard drive upgrade or the OS. ;)
[15:47] <paultag> placebo affect :)
[15:48] <paultag> the gcc toolchain is almost the same
[15:48] <thafreak> paultag is a placebo
[15:48] <thafreak> and a toolchain
[15:48] <paultag> gcc-4.7 is in debian, pending default
[15:48] <paultag> which will have some cool new changes
[15:51] <thafreak> so now the question is...64bit or not...
[15:52] <thafreak> been sticking with 32bit cause of flash...
[15:54] <paultag> I've switched because I (sadly) need it
[15:54] <paultag> because of mongodb and how it mmaps stuff
[15:54] <thafreak> probably don't need to keep around these older 9.04 and 9.10 iso's i guess
[15:54] <thafreak> i'll probably go back to 64bit again...
[15:55] <thafreak> worst that happens, is i'm stuck using chrome to watch hulu...
[15:55] <thafreak> amiright
[16:29] <locodir-user> Hello.
[16:29] <toddc> hi
[16:30] <locodir-user> How are you!?
[16:30] <thafreak> helo
[16:30] <toddc> great nice day all is well
[16:31] <toddc> downloading like a fool 12.04 :)
[16:57]  * yano is seeding 12.04
[17:02] <toddc> torrents are doing pretty  good I got them all and seeding also
[18:04] <thafreak> love it...get my initial template system installed with 12.04
[18:04] <thafreak> and there's already a kernel update
[19:46] <BiosElement> Sooo how's it goin folks?
[19:47] <Unit193> Well, crazy day on Ubuntu channels.
[19:47] <paultag> livin' the dram, mang
[19:47] <BiosElement> Yeahh, I figured ubuntu would be crazy today. I'm having fun writing my resignation. >.>
[19:48] <Unit193> And they're looking for a longer term fix for the Pandora clients, already a temp one.  And that doesn't qutie sound good.
[19:56] <jrgifford> Unit193: yeah, so you're having issues with pianobar as well?
[19:56] <jrgifford> BiosElement: resignation?
[19:56] <BiosElement> jrgifford: Yeah, I'm quitting my existing job as Minecraft tech support. I will not be accused of not doing my job by a new hire. Not gonna happen.
[19:56] <Unit193> Nope, it's been working since yesterday, and promy linked to a tempfix today.
[19:57] <jrgifford> Unit193: interesting. still broken for me. :(
[19:57] <Unit193> You work with the one in packagemanager?
[19:57] <jrgifford> yeah
[19:57] <jrgifford> latest precise version
[19:58] <jrgifford> should i be using something else?
[19:58] <Unit193> That's no good, Ubuntu repo is stale when it comes to that, and also it just came out. :P
[19:58] <Unit193> Compile.
[19:58] <jrgifford> why can't he just write it in python or something so I don't have to compile? :p
[19:58] <jrgifford> ok, i'll try that tomorrow or something
[19:59] <_bbb_> hi
[19:59] <_bbb_> whats an ubuntu?
[20:00] <Unit193> jrgifford: Not on git yet, either you'll have to grab the patch too, or grab the one I have up. :P
[20:00] <jrgifford> Unit193: i'll just wait.
[20:01] <Unit193> Heh, it's really not hard, but there's always that.
[20:01] <jrgifford> i'll just catch up on my podcasts, i've gotten really far behind.
[20:01] <jrgifford> _bbb_: ubuntu is an operating system
[20:04] <_bbb_> yeah im just joshin
[20:07] <toddc> whew
[20:48] <jandrusk> I thought Ubuntu was an African philosophy ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29
[20:55] <BiosElement> And an operating system ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)
[20:55] <Unit193> So weird!@
[20:56] <jandrusk> Forgot my work laptop this morning and have been having Emacs withdrawal.
[20:57] <paultag> the only reason to use emacs is org mode
[20:57] <paultag> and that's not enough to make me use it
[20:57] <paultag> vimftw
[20:57] <paultag> oh man
[20:57] <paultag> vimftw.tumblr.com ← that would be awesome
[20:58] <Unit193> xkcd. :D
[20:58] <jandrusk> I use it for org-mode, writing email, and other modes too numerous to mention.
[20:58] <paultag> emacs is such a pita
[20:58]  * BiosElement waves his "Sublime Text 2 FTW" flag
[20:59] <paultag> a lot of pythonists I know use sublime
[20:59] <paultag> I like it, but it's nonfree
[20:59] <jandrusk> I consider it more of my OS than the Xubuntu instance that it runs on. Not to mention eShell and dired.
[20:59] <jandrusk> But that's just me.
[20:59] <BiosElement> It's nonfree but it's got an unlimited trial and the majority of the bits are open source if not f/oss.
[21:00] <jandrusk> What about the GNU version is nonfree?
[21:00] <paultag> EMACS is nonfree, it shipped some yacc files people lost the source
[21:00] <paultag> was, I think rms finally fixed it
[21:00] <paultag> BiosElement: it's nonfree, and I can't stand it :(
[21:01] <BiosElement> I never caught stallman syndrome. :P It's great to have em around but I'd never want to be them. Much rather prove linux devs are willing to pay for what helps them.
[21:03] <paultag> sorry?
[21:03] <paultag> free as in freedom, not beer
[21:03] <paultag> there are for-pay f/oss apps that do just fine
[21:03] <BiosElement> paultag: I know what you mean.
[21:03] <paultag> I get paid for F/OSS
[21:03] <paultag> that's a hella strawman
[21:06] <BiosElement> Not sure how you see that as a strawman, it's a fair opinion statement.
[21:06] <paultag> F/OSS != pay
[21:06] <paultag> the issue of f/oss is not connected with pay
[21:07] <BiosElement> Very true, however the logic used by folks who see it either way is not wrong. There simply isn't a right answer for everyone.