[01:18] <bkerensa> nathwill: LOL why?
[01:18] <nathwill> because.. old old orphan bugs
[01:18] <nathwill> headed home, catch ya later.
[01:19] <bkerensa> k peace
[04:03] <bkerensa> !help
[04:03] <orebuntu_> Commands: 8ball about admin asshat bc blame cowsay date dc distro echo fail figlet fire fob fortune google googlefight googlepage group hacker hangman help insult limerick lunch me msg notice ping praise proverb quote remindme s score seen slogan tardhat topic uptime urban weather whip wikipath wikipedia wiktionary win woot wtf yoda zima
[04:03] <bkerensa> !admin
[04:03] <orebuntu_> Try !help admin
[04:03] <bkerensa> !help admin
[04:03] <orebuntu_> Various administrative commands.
[04:03] <orebuntu_> !admin reload | quit | join #chan | part #chan
[04:15] <bkerensa> !googlefight
[04:15] <orebuntu_> Usage: word1 word2
[04:16] <nathwill> !googlefight bkerensa nathwill
[04:16] <orebuntu_> nathwill: nathwill wins with 26,500 vs. bkerensa with 20,200, a difference of 6,300 results.
[04:16] <nathwill> :P
[04:16] <nathwill> yay common names
[04:27] <bkerensa> kees: about to use your charm to deploy a packaging instance
[04:27] <bkerensa> :D
[05:01] <blkperl> so Ubuntu 12.10 is going to be better network support for nova and better charm suport?
[05:01]  * blkperl is is disappointed
[05:02] <bkerensa> blkperl: what did you expect unicorns and rainbows?
[05:02] <bkerensa> :D
[05:02] <bkerensa> there will be much more when it comes to changes I am sure.... UDS has not even occurred
[05:02] <bkerensa> :)
[05:04] <blkperl> bkerensa: why can't I have rainbows and unicorns?
[05:05]  * blkperl wants more config options in unity
[05:05] <bkerensa> blkperl: You PSU folk kill unicorns and can them.... I saw your desk
[05:06] <nathwill> snark
[05:06] <nathwill> someone save me, an Usher concert is on TV
[05:06] <blkperl> bkerensa: what awful lies your spreading
[05:06] <blkperl> :)
[05:07] <bkerensa> blkperl: really? the PSU Cat Desk has a can of unicorn meat.... in that dungeon of a engineering campus
[05:07] <bkerensa> :(
[05:07] <bkerensa> it was so hot down there the other day
[05:07] <bkerensa> and I got lost on my way out
[05:07] <blkperl> haha
[05:07] <blkperl> its a maze
[05:08] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://i.imgur.com/IGFi7.png
[05:09] <nathwill> ubuntu-dev-tools meta package?
[05:10] <bkerensa> nathwill: sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts ubuntu-dev-tools debhelper \
[05:10] <bkerensa>      dh-make diff patch cdbs quilt gnupg fakeroot lintian  pbuilder piuparts
[05:10] <bkerensa> minus the sudo since I am working from root
[05:10] <nathwill> aha.
[05:10]  * blkperl needs to learn how to package debs
[05:11] <nathwill> so... question is.. why is no already installed?! ;)
[05:12] <bkerensa> decided not to use AWS
[05:12] <nathwill> yeah, fair nuff
[05:12] <nathwill> so, i think the dh-make, diff, etc is part of ubuntu-dev-tools package
[05:13] <bkerensa> nathwill: you will love the sshd banner
[05:15] <nathwill> indeed i  do!
[05:16] <nathwill> but... it's wider than 80 char... sorry man
[05:25] <bkerensa> oh
[05:25] <bkerensa> lol
[05:25] <bkerensa> :D
[05:50] <bkerensa> !help
[05:50] <orebuntu_> Commands: 8ball about admin asshat bc blame cowsay date dc distro echo fail figlet fire fob fortune google googlefight googlepage group hacker hangman help insult limerick lunch me msg notice ping praise proverb quote remindme s score seen slogan tardhat topic uptime urban weather whip wikipath wikipedia wiktionary win woot wtf yoda zima
[05:50] <bkerensa> !proverb
[06:46] <bkerensa> !coc | bkerensa
[08:13] <bkerensa> gnight and happy release day
[16:07] <kees> bkerensa: cool! let me know if it works out okay
[16:55] <tgm4883> blkperl, bkerensa, there will be a big ubuntutv push in 12.10
[17:00] <bkerensa> tgm4883: :P I know
[17:00] <bkerensa> :)
[17:00] <tgm4883> bkerensa, sorry, just reading some of the backlog
[17:00] <bkerensa> oh lol
[17:00] <bkerensa> its no biggie
[17:01] <bkerensa> when I started writing for OMG I started pretty much getting CC'ed to any important thing they wanted to leak to OMG first which surprisingly is a lot
[17:01] <bkerensa> :D
[17:01] <tgm4883> kees, can I bug you for 5-10 minutes with some really dumb questions about GPG keys
[17:01] <tgm4883> bkerensa, heh, nice
[17:03] <blkperl> tgm4883: Any interesting changes to improve the lives of us poor sysadmins?
[17:03] <tgm4883> nothing I know of
[17:07] <bkerensa> tgm4883: If you force re-check a torrent like Ubuntu does it check the HASH to make sure it still matches like in the case where the image changes on releases ?
[17:08] <bkerensa> blkperl: but of course... there is this amazing thing thats becoming very mature called Juju
[17:08] <bkerensa> :D
[17:08] <bkerensa> it makes you like Skynet
[17:08] <bkerensa> :D
[17:08] <tgm4883> bkerensa, Not sure I follow.
[17:09] <bkerensa> :D
[17:09] <blkperl> bkerensa: juju is not amazing, its square wheel that only works on ubuntu......
[17:09] <tgm4883> oh, for like daily releases?
[17:09] <bkerensa> yes
[17:09] <bkerensa> so say at 3am pre release I downloaded a torrent that was pretty "final" but not the official one
[17:09] <tgm4883> bkerensa, IIRC you would need to download the new .torrent file
[17:09] <bkerensa> and the hash changed this morning
[17:09] <bkerensa> Hmm
[17:09] <tgm4883> ah
[17:09] <tgm4883> so what you need to do is
[17:10] <tgm4883> rename the ISO file to the final name
[17:10] <bkerensa> because I removed the torrents I had in at 3am
[17:10] <tgm4883> download the final .torrent file
[17:10] <tgm4883> start the torrent and it should check the ISO, and fix anything that is broken
[17:10] <bkerensa> and downloaded the newest it it is just continuing my downloads from last night
[17:10] <bkerensa> hmm
[17:10] <tgm4883> there might be an easier way to do that, but that is what I've done in the past
[17:11] <tgm4883> did you delete the old torrent file?
[17:14] <tgm4883> blkperl, what type of stuff would you like?
[17:14] <tgm4883> There is always puppet :)
[17:15] <bkerensa> tgm4883: yeah i just nuked everything now and am re-downloading
[17:16] <tgm4883> bkerensa, you could also use zsync
[17:16] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I guess at UDS they are giving away three brand new XPS laptops for another Juju charm contest
[17:16] <bkerensa> :D
[17:16]  * bkerensa is going to have to have like five charms ready
[17:16] <bkerensa> ":D
[17:17] <blkperl> tgm4883: yeah we use puppet :) i just like giving bkerensa a hard time about charms
[17:17] <tgm4883> blkperl, I'm getting into puppet here
[17:17] <bkerensa> peh
[17:17] <bkerensa> Juju ftw
[17:17] <blkperl> tgm4883: awesome, working on any modules?
[17:18] <blkperl> bkerensa: juju sucks its not cross platform :)
[17:19] <tgm4883> blkperl, nope, just starting really. I'll be using the UFW module but other than that stock everything I guess
[17:19] <blkperl> tgm4883: i recommend puppetlabs/puppet-apt for managing apt repos
[17:19] <tgm4883> blkperl, I'll use that, better than the transfering of the .list file
[17:20] <blkperl> it supports ppa's too
[17:20] <blkperl> also puppetlabs/mysql and puppetlabs/firewall are both good
[17:20] <tgm4883> just ppa's? or all third party repos?
[17:20] <blkperl> you can specifiy any repo
[17:20] <tgm4883> sweet
[17:23] <bkerensa> <bkerensa> SpamapS: I cannot bring anything pre-baked because I need you to roll out my dough first before I put it in the oven
[17:23] <bkerensa> ^ so geeky
[17:23] <blkperl> tgm4883: github and forge.puppetlabs.com have a lot of useful puppet modules that are usually better than rolling your own, and if they don't work for you, you can fork and pull request :)
[17:23] <bkerensa> The Context: <SpamapS> I think we have to accept any charm from now until judging.. otherwise people will cheat and bring pre-baked charms anyway. ;)
[17:24] <blkperl> tgm4883: we've been striving for public module from github that do most of the work and then configuration modules that hold all the site specific stuff
[17:24] <tgm4883> I don't think juju would work here
[17:25] <kees> tgm4883: sure! what's up?
[17:25] <tgm4883> kees, pm?
[17:26] <kees> sure
[18:06] <bkerensa> tgm4883: you seeding 12.04?
[18:06] <tgm4883> no
[18:06] <tgm4883> I'm at work
[18:06] <tgm4883> torrenting is blocked
[18:09] <tgm4883> bkerensa, do you know who on the canonical team I could ping on a torrent issue?
[18:09] <bkerensa> tgm4883: perhaps maybe even slangasek since he is on the release team?
[18:09] <bkerensa> Someone in #ubuntu-release might know for sure
[18:10] <tgm4883> I'll try there if slangasek doesn't show up soon. I've asked in #ubuntu-testing but everyone seems to be gone
[18:11] <bkerensa> tgm4883: testing is just for iso testing :D
[18:11] <bkerensa> image*
[18:11] <bkerensa> not so much for the torrents I dont think
[18:12] <slangasek> hmm, what's the question?
[18:12] <tgm4883> slangasek, I just asked it in #ubuntu-release
[18:12] <tgm4883> basically, getting Failure reason "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."
[18:13] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso isn't listed on http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[18:15]  * bkerensa thinks he is only going to bother making amd64 usb's and cd's
[18:17] <tgm4883> bkerensa, probably good to at least have the i386 iso on hand in case someone asks
[18:19] <bkerensa> tgm4883: hmm ;/ they should be told of the benefits of using amd64
[18:20] <tgm4883> unless they have a low powered machine that doesn't accept 64-bit OSs
[19:00] <nathwill> wow, i like the website update for the download pages
[19:15] <goddard> how is everyones upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04
[19:20] <bkerensa> nathwill: the online tour died
[19:20] <bkerensa> >.<
[19:20] <nathwill> srsly?
[19:20] <nathwill> goddard... nothing to upgrade
[19:21] <nathwill> looking forward to them ungating the updates though...
[19:21]  * bkerensa has been using 12.04 for months now :D
[19:21] <bkerensa> since before Alpha 1
[19:21] <bkerensa> :D
[19:21] <nathwill> i'm just adding the official iso torrents for x64 desktop and server to my seedbox
[19:22] <bkerensa> nathwill:  :D I'm seeding seeding seeding with now up or down limit
[19:22] <nathwill> ditto cap'n
[19:22] <bkerensa> in fact I have boxes on two connections seeding :D
[19:22]  * bkerensa should spin up a linode too
[19:22] <nathwill> perfect :) the more the merrier
[19:23] <nathwill> srsly, use up some of that bandwidth..
[19:25] <goddard> seedbox?
[19:26]  * bkerensa deploys a Tokyo, JP Seedbox
[19:26] <bkerensa> :D
[19:26] <goddard> so i cant even upgrade to 12.04 from 11.10?
[19:26] <bkerensa> goddard: of course you can... nathwill was just saying he has already been running 12.04
[19:26] <bkerensa> :)
[19:26] <bkerensa> just run the update manager
[19:30] <goddard> is it going to break my box?
[19:31] <goddard> i use it for work id rather not have to reinstall everything
[19:32] <nathwill> goddard, any update could break your box, but it has been tested, and should work without issue
[19:32] <bkerensa> goddard: why would it break your box?
[19:32] <bkerensa> :D
[19:34] <bkerensa> goddard: you can also bring your box/monitor/etc to the release party and we can do an assisted upgrade
[19:34] <bkerensa> :D
[19:34] <nathwill> iinteresting...    ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com
[19:37] <goddard> whats an assisted upgrade?
[19:37] <goddard> meaning you help me push the button ? :D
[19:38] <goddard> i think i gotta do a complete back up before i upgrade
[19:38] <goddard> which will take forever
[19:39] <goddard> since usb 3.0 doesn't work for some reason
[19:41] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://randall.executiv.es/sites/default/files/images/pangolin_goodbye_0.jpg
[19:41] <bkerensa> ^ LOL
[19:42] <bkerensa> goddard: I have tested images in every release from A1 to Final and so far have no run into a single issue with unbootable box
[19:42] <bkerensa> and on multiple types of hardware
[19:52] <goddard> well anyone that has upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 let me know how it went
[19:55] <bkerensa> goddard: I have upgraded plenty of boxes :) and it went fine even in Alpha 1
[20:03] <nathwill> rebooting... has new kernel to consume
[20:05] <kees> I was disappointed the ipv6 torrent included ipv4 clients
[20:06] <kees> in other news, I downloaded the desktop and alternate ISOs in like 150 seconds
[20:06] <bkerensa> :D
[20:06] <bkerensa> kees: you seeding?
[20:06] <kees> bkerensa: yawp
[20:07] <kees> always do.
[20:47] <bkerensa> kees: it would be interesting if their were a distributed way of delivering updates over torrents
[20:47] <bkerensa> :D
[20:48] <kees> bkerensa: torrent archive! :)
[20:48] <kees> not a lot of people want to seed that ;)
[20:48] <bkerensa> kees: I would :D
[20:50] <kees> I wonder if torrent files can be updated?
[20:51] <bkerensa> idk it would be a interesting project... think how much money Canonical would save if updates were heavily distributed
[20:56] <tgm4883> bkerensa, you mean like this http://sianka.free.fr/
[20:57] <tgm4883> and this idea with 2215 votes http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7792/
[20:57] <tgm4883> or even http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/debtorrent
[21:03] <tgm4883> kees, you probably wouldn't need the torrent files to be updated, you would have a usual update procedure, but instead of grabbing .deb files from the repository, you would grab the new version of the torrent file (same package naming schema with .torrent at the end) then it would torrent the deb you needed
[21:03] <tgm4883> the idea being that .torrent files are much much smaller than some of the packages, saving you bandwidth
[21:07] <bkerensa> uh oh the hail has arrived
[21:40] <nathwill> sunny over here
[21:41] <nathwill> man, bash is shit at floating point comparison...
[21:42] <bkerensa> Mmm
[21:42] <bkerensa> Glisan Burger Barn, Popeyes or Sushi.... decisions decisions
[21:47] <nathwill> sushi
[21:47] <nathwill> it's not even a question
[21:50] <zenlinux> bkerensa, do you live on the eastside?
[21:51] <bkerensa> zenlinux: yeah NE
[21:52]  * bkerensa just moved out here a month or so ago
[21:52] <bkerensa> I do not miss SW at all :)
[21:52] <zenlinux> nice, I live in the Hollywood neighborhood
[21:52] <bkerensa> zenlinux: cool... my favorite Pho shop is out there
[21:52] <bkerensa> :D
[21:52] <zenlinux> Got Pho?
[21:52]  * bkerensa is right off of Glisan
[21:53] <bkerensa> zenlinux: but of course :) I have known the owner a few years... I have a "Ubuntu" discount there of 20%
[21:53] <bkerensa> :P
[21:53] <zenlinux> haha, nice. I haven't tried it yet, only been to My Cahn
[21:53] <bkerensa> zenlinux: ask him for thai coffee its not on the menu but its the most potent coffee I have ever had
[21:54] <bkerensa> zenlinux: you coming to the party on Sunday?
[21:54] <zenlinux> sure am
[21:54] <bkerensa> cool
[21:54] <bkerensa> not sure if I have met you :d
[21:54] <zenlinux> I showed up really briefly for the release party that happened in the back room of Backspace a while ago
[21:54] <bkerensa> nathwill: fyi were meeting with puppetlabs guy 10 mins to 1pm
[21:55] <zenlinux> We said hello, but didn't have the chance to chat
[21:55] <bkerensa> :D
[21:55] <bkerensa> well maybe this time we will chat since this is nathwill's rodeo :D
[21:55] <zenlinux> righty
[21:55]  * bkerensa rushes out to lunch before he passes out  due to hunger ;p
[23:14] <bkerensa> hello shirgall how is South Africa
[23:14] <bkerensa> :D
[23:14] <bkerensa> hot I imagine
[23:14] <shirgall> bkerensa: I'm back from there, but busdy as heck
[23:14] <shirgall> busy
[23:14] <shirgall> It was actually quite nice. Blue skies and 70 degrees.
[23:14] <bkerensa> shirgall: oh so potential drop in for release party on Sunday?
[23:15] <bkerensa> 70 degrees >.< wow
[23:15] <shirgall> potential but my wife has to work... so I have to watch the kids
[23:17] <bkerensa> shirgall: You could bring them :)
[23:17] <bkerensa> there will be pizza and soda
[23:17] <bkerensa> and beer :)
[23:18] <shirgall> I'm looking into options, to be sure