| === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] | ||
| === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero | ||
| === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] | ||
| magespawn | Morning all | 07:10 |
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| === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero | ||
| marcog | for those in cape town, don't forget the release party tomorrow | 09:49 |
| marcog | https://www.facebook.com/events/329037227156204/ | 09:53 |
| === superfly__ is now known as superfly | ||
| tumbleweed | and #ubuntu-release-party now | 11:18 |
| tumbleweed | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000159.html | 12:05 |
| charlvn | tumbleweed: thanks, installing it inside vmware now | 12:14 |
| charlvn | gonna try the easy install; the beta didn't want to work like that so it would be interesting to see if the release does | 12:15 |
| Squirm | hi | 12:15 |
| zeref | YaawwN | 12:19 |
| tumbleweed | charlvn: what went wrong before? | 12:20 |
| charlvn | tumbleweed: no idea, just hanged with a blank screen | 12:23 |
| charlvn | ah, worked this time! | 12:23 |
| tumbleweed | ouch | 12:23 |
| charlvn | oh no wait, it did a server install from ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso | 12:24 |
| charlvn | what the heck? | 12:25 |
| charlvn | worked fine with ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso | 12:25 |
| tumbleweed | the -desktop- ISOs sohuldn't be able to do server installs | 12:25 |
| tumbleweed | although, obviously, you can turn any ubuntu install into any other ubuntu install | 12:26 |
| charlvn | no i don't think it's a proper server install, but it doesn't boot the desktop manager | 12:26 |
| charlvn | so i log in at the command line | 12:26 |
| tumbleweed | that sounds more like a ubg | 12:26 |
| charlvn | yeah | 12:26 |
| tumbleweed | what graphics card does vmware present? | 12:26 |
| tumbleweed | (I don't assume much pre-release testing ahppens on vmware...) | 12:27 |
| charlvn | yeah probably not | 12:27 |
| charlvn | under virtual machine settings, it says the "Display" device is set to "Auto detect" | 12:27 |
| charlvn | not sure what that means | 12:27 |
| tumbleweed | what options do you have? | 12:27 |
| charlvn | it won't let me change any of the settings | 12:28 |
| superfly | charlvn: why are you using vmware? | 12:28 |
| charlvn | wait lemme make a screenshot | 12:28 |
| charlvn | superfly: for the lulz | 12:28 |
| tumbleweed | charlvn: shut it down first | 12:28 |
| tumbleweed | you can't change that kind of thing while its running | 12:28 |
| superfly | charlvn: VirtualBox will give you better performance | 12:28 |
| charlvn | tumbleweed: http://i.imgur.com/W2k2K.png | 12:29 |
| charlvn | tumbleweed: ah yes, you're right, now i can change stuff | 12:30 |
| charlvn | superfly: benchmarks? | 12:30 |
| tumbleweed | err nafc | 12:30 |
| charlvn | yeah weird | 12:31 |
| charlvn | what is the new desktop manager in ubuntu called... maybe i can start it manually | 12:31 |
| charlvn | not gdm right? | 12:31 |
| tumbleweed | lightdm | 12:31 |
| charlvn | ah yes, thanks | 12:31 |
| tumbleweed | if it starts manually, please report a bug, that's something we want to get to the bottom of | 12:32 |
| charlvn | ah, it started! sudo lightdm did the trick | 12:32 |
| charlvn | managed to log in and am now on the desktop | 12:32 |
| charlvn | except the time is wrong but virtualbox always sets the time zone to pst or something, that's a vmware issue | 12:33 |
| tumbleweed | charlvn: it was a clean install, not an upgrade? | 12:33 |
| charlvn | s/virtualbox/vmware/ | 12:33 |
| charlvn | yes it was a clean install | 12:33 |
| charlvn | you say i should report it somewhere? never reported a bug before, any pointers? | 12:35 |
| charlvn | i know a lot of people can get pretty pissed if you don't file a bug properly so i'm careful :) | 12:35 |
| tumbleweed | charlvn: ideally, first check if you can reproduce it | 12:39 |
| tumbleweed | charlvn: but just do a fairly simple report saying what you did and what vmware you are using. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | 12:40 |
| charlvn | tumbleweed: ok thanks | 12:42 |
| charlvn | mmm getting a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable on that url atm | 12:43 |
| tumbleweed | ok, just run "ubuntu-bug lightdm" | 12:43 |
| charlvn | cool thanks | 12:44 |
| charlvn | ah got the page now after a refresh | 12:44 |
| charlvn | seems like the server is taking some strain due to the release :) | 12:45 |
| superfly | charlvn: none at hand, but I do know that VB makes use of the hardware wherever possible, while VMware does full virtualisation | 12:51 |
| charlvn | tumbleweed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/988847 | 12:53 |
| tumbleweed | charlvn: would you mind seeing if that still happens in a new install? | 12:54 |
| tumbleweed | charlvn: hrmm @modified.conffile..etc.init.lightdm.conf: [deleted] | 12:56 |
| charlvn | tumbleweed: that right there probably explains the issue | 12:57 |
| charlvn | that was the info that the ubuntu-bug tool collected | 12:57 |
| tumbleweed | do you have a /etc/init/lightdm.conf? | 12:57 |
| charlvn | i think that's a "feature" of the easy install option | 12:57 |
| charlvn | let me double check | 12:57 |
| tumbleweed | it shouldn't have been able to start without that | 12:57 |
| tumbleweed | what is this "easy install" you speak of? | 12:57 |
| charlvn | nope indeed i don't | 12:58 |
| charlvn | i'm not entirely sure how it works but it automates the installation | 12:59 |
| tumbleweed | ok, try not using that | 12:59 |
| tumbleweed | that sounds like something that should be reported to vmware... | 12:59 |
| charlvn | i'm almost 100% sure it will work then | 12:59 |
| charlvn | let me try to reinstall with and without | 12:59 |
| kbmonkey | lo o/ | 13:00 |
| charlvn | hi kbmonkey | 13:00 |
| charlvn | superfly: to get back to your point, vmware workstation even has partial support for 3d hardware acceleration, which afaik virtualbox does not | 13:01 |
| tumbleweed | IIRC the commercial virtualbox did | 13:02 |
| charlvn | that's possible, never used it | 13:02 |
| charlvn | vmware workstation has drivers that you can install that dramatically increases performance, just like virtualbox | 13:02 |
| tumbleweed | those are getting standardised to a large degree | 13:03 |
| tumbleweed | virtio etc. | 13:03 |
| charlvn | it should, that would make things a heck of a lot easier | 13:03 |
| charlvn | debian detects and installs the virtualbox ose drivers automatically during the installation process | 13:03 |
| charlvn | i don't think ubuntu does this yet, although i haven't tested 12.04 inside of virtualbox yet | 13:04 |
| tumbleweed | faor the last few years, ubuntu has supported virtio out the box | 13:04 |
| charlvn | it's possible that it doesn't ship in the iso and that debian just downloads them automatically during the installation | 13:04 |
| tumbleweed | nothing that needs to be installed | 13:04 |
| tumbleweed | it also has the vmware video driver | 13:04 |
| tumbleweed | which KVM also implements | 13:05 |
| charlvn | interesting, when i did an ubuntu 11.10 desktop install inside of virtualbox, it popped something up about installing the virtualbox drivers | 13:05 |
| charlvn | so it has them in the repo somewhere | 13:05 |
| charlvn | just didn't install them immediately during the initial installation | 13:05 |
| charlvn | is it true though that vmware doesn't support hardware virtualisation? | 13:06 |
| charlvn | http://www.vmware.com/support/ws80/doc/releasenotes_workstation_80.html#Installation_Requirements | 13:07 |
| charlvn | why would it require a "64-bit x86 CPU" then | 13:07 |
| charlvn | tumbleweed: ok did a new clean install and got the same problem, going to try without the easy install now | 13:09 |
| kbmonkey | I use qemu with kvm (hardware virt). It works fantastic, I have not tried 3D accel yet though | 13:22 |
| tumbleweed | I don't think it does 3D acceleration, although I saw someone experimenting with it last year | 13:23 |
| charlvn | never tried using qemu/kvm for gui installs myself, only for command line installs (mostly for "server purposes" or whatever you want to call it) | 13:25 |
| charlvn | qemu is pure software emulation but kvm enables hardware virtualisation | 13:26 |
| tumbleweed | kvm was a qemu fork, but I tihnk it's got all the momentum these days | 13:27 |
| tumbleweed | kvm is the only VM tool I use | 13:27 |
| charlvn | "KVM also requires a modified QEMU although work is underway to get the required changes upstream." | 13:27 |
| charlvn | it has been saying that for years... i wonder how it's going with the upstreaming :) | 13:28 |
| charlvn | from http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page | 13:28 |
| charlvn | but yeah... for virtualisation on servers i always go straight to kvm | 13:29 |
| charlvn | but at this point all the servers i use are virtual servers that are hosted on physical servers ran by other people | 13:30 |
| charlvn | so not something i spend much time thinking about | 13:30 |
| charlvn | tumbleweed: the clean install without using easy install worked perfectly, booted straight into lightdm | 13:33 |
| charlvn | i am installing vmware tools now manually inside the vm to see if that breaks it... | 13:33 |
| superfly | charlvn: my open source VB has support for 3D acceleration | 13:39 |
| charlvn | superfly: that's good news, which version? | 13:40 |
| superfly | dunno, whichever version has been in Ubuntu for the last year | 13:40 |
| charlvn | hmmm | 13:42 |
| charlvn | can you get gnome 3 to run? | 13:42 |
| charlvn | gnome shell or whatever people call it now | 13:42 |
| charlvn | that was mainly what i was having trouble with | 13:43 |
| superfly | I'm not too clued up on VMware these days though, other than it's still not open source (which VB is, for the most part) and when using it for servers for a certain high profile site it SUCKED performance wise | 13:43 |
| superfly | charlvn: dunno, I don't use Gnome, but KDE runs with all the bells and whistles | 13:43 |
| charlvn | yeah kde indeed runs fine, but that doesn't need 3d acceleration | 13:43 |
| charlvn | gnome3 is a pain in that regard | 13:44 |
| superfly | charlvn: if you want all the bells and whistles (the fancy effects) it does | 13:44 |
| superfly | and it runs with all the effects in VB | 13:44 |
| charlvn | from my experience, vmware workstation is about the same as virtualbox on a desktop when it comes to performance | 13:44 |
| superfly | and IIRC I got Unity 3D working fine in VB | 13:44 |
| charlvn | the big difference is obviously that virtualbox is floss and vmware is proprietary | 13:44 |
| charlvn | if i recall correctly, i had no trouble with unity either, only with gnome3 | 13:45 |
| charlvn | in any case, i got ubuntu 12.04 working perfectly now inside vmware workstation by not using the easy install and installing vmware tools afterwards | 13:46 |
| nuvolari | o/ | 14:06 |
| nuvolari | happy pangolin day | 14:06 |
| kbmonkey | XD nuvolari | 14:07 |
| charlvn | http://www.vulkaner.no/n/africa/somalia/pangolin.jpg <- "hello!" :P | 14:13 |
| charlvn | cute little things http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/extinction-countdown/files/2012/02/pangolin.jpg | 14:13 |
| charlvn | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/photogalleries/pangolin-poaching-soup-pictures/index.html <- yuck | 14:14 |
| nuvolari | lyk vir my maar baie 'skurf' :P | 14:21 |
| kbmonkey | thanks for that charlvn :P | 14:21 |
| kbmonkey | yuck, meats :( | 14:21 |
| kbmonkey | cute little things indeed! | 14:22 |
| kbmonkey | wonder what sound they make | 14:22 |
| zeref | grrrrr grrrr grrrrr | 14:25 |
| zeref | pew pew weo weo | 14:25 |
| zeref | :D | 14:25 |
| charlvn | nuvolari: sorry what does "skurf" mean? | 14:28 |
| charlvn | doesn't seem relevant http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/skurf | 14:29 |
| charlvn | kbmonkey: they probably sound quite cute until they land in the soup... after that they probably don't say much :P | 14:31 |
| zeref | o0o0 | 14:34 |
| magespawn | You will be very fortunate to ever see pne in the wild. | 14:39 |
| magespawn | One | 14:39 |
| nuvolari | charlvn: rough | 14:49 |
| charlvn | ah rough.. still don't understand but ok :P | 14:49 |
| kbmonkey | ha ha 'skurf', I like that | 14:56 |
| charlvn | well the pangolins look quite "skurf" on the outside so biologically speaking that is probably correct :P | 15:04 |
| nuvolari | I can see it's home time. The download speed nearly doubled | 15:04 |
| kbmonkey | everybody is off youtube and facebook :p | 15:05 |
| zeref | lol | 15:05 |
| kbmonkey | downloading 12.04? ;) | 15:05 |
| charlvn | today we are teleworking when we are at home and telehobbying when we are at work | 15:06 |
| nuvolari | that's true | 15:06 |
| kbmonkey | *snorts* | 15:06 |
| magespawn | Ha nice one | 15:07 |
| charlvn | kbmonkey: don't snort too hard or you'll end up like this http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-fucking-love-cocaine-cocaine-bear | 15:07 |
| charlvn | and alas it is 5 and home time for me as well... ciao all | 15:09 |
| kbmonkey | that bear is very excitable | 15:09 |
| kbmonkey | ciao ciao | 15:09 |
| zeref | looonnnngg weekend :D | 15:09 |
| kbmonkey | right... lets nuke this pc and dd ubuntu across. | 15:09 |
| kbmonkey | *cue music montage* | 15:09 |
| nuvolari | o/ i'm off | 15:25 |
| kbmonkey | ciao nuvolari | 15:30 |
| zeref | hmmm | 15:33 |
| zeref | wonder if there will be a big diff between the beta2 and final release | 15:33 |
| magespawn | Later all. | 15:55 |
| superfly | Dum de dum de dum... | 17:02 |
| Kilos | evening superfly and others | 17:37 |
| Squirm | hello | 17:55 |
| Squirm | I know this is Ubuntu | 17:55 |
| Squirm | but with a basic install of debian, any ideas how to stop my monitor turning off every (what I guess is) 15min | 17:55 |
| Kilos | oh my Squirm i just got ian to download the debian iso for me | 17:55 |
| Kilos | what does it look like? | 17:56 |
| Kilos | no power settings anywhere? | 17:56 |
| Squirm | depends what DE you use | 17:56 |
| zeref | Squirm: gnome-screensaver | 17:56 |
| zeref | settings there | 17:56 |
| Squirm | I started with a debian basic install. | 17:56 |
| Squirm | zeref: I dont have gnome | 17:56 |
| zeref | o0o0 | 17:57 |
| zeref | which DE | 17:57 |
| Squirm | umm | 17:57 |
| Squirm | one I put together? | 17:57 |
| Squirm | pekwm as the window manager, pcmanfm as file manager | 17:57 |
| Kilos | lol squirmian | 17:57 |
| zeref | o0o0o0o0o0 | 17:57 |
| Squirm | I started from an install with no xorg | 17:58 |
| Squirm | X11 | 17:58 |
| Squirm | w/e | 17:58 |
| zeref | ummm in /usr/bin/ there are some screensaver settings there | 18:00 |
| zeref | i think its one of the xscreensaver , have not that in a loooong while | 18:01 |
| Kilos | zeref, do you know bebian? | 18:01 |
| Kilos | debian | 18:02 |
| Squirm | Kilos: Ubuntu is built on debian | 18:02 |
| zeref | Kilos: yep | 18:02 |
| Squirm | if you install GDE, it'll look like Ubuntu with GDE | 18:02 |
| Kilos | oh so gnome is part of it | 18:02 |
| Squirm | and feel like Ubuntu | 18:02 |
| Kilos | thats nice | 18:02 |
| Kilos | telkom kinda sucks in rustenburg | 18:03 |
| zeref | yep, but tthere is a bit oc configuing involved | 18:03 |
| Squirm | Gnome, KDE, LXDE, etc | 18:03 |
| Kilos | the debian dvd iso download says its gonna take 4 days | 18:03 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:03 |
| zeref | LOL | 18:03 |
| Kilos | thats much worse than 3g | 18:04 |
| Kilos | like gprs about | 18:04 |
| zeref | do you want to move to debian Kilos | 18:04 |
| Kilos | zeref, i am kinda hooked on gnome so im looking for another os thats not gonna use lotsa data with updates all the time | 18:05 |
| Kilos | googled lubuntu but only find 11.04 | 18:06 |
| Squirm | Kilos: you could install fedora with gnome | 18:06 |
| Squirm | though I use it on my office pc, don't really like fedora | 18:06 |
| Kilos | does debian also update all the time? | 18:07 |
| zeref | nope | 18:07 |
| zeref | debian is like an LTS | 18:07 |
| zeref | super LTS | 18:07 |
| Kilos | ah that sounds good then | 18:07 |
| Squirm | yeah | 18:07 |
| Squirm | before squeeze, it was a few years before they released a version | 18:08 |
| Kilos | because ian sometimes takes 4 months to get here | 18:08 |
| Kilos | Banlam, hi what os are you using? | 18:09 |
| zeref | i've got debian as my server, hardly any updates | 18:09 |
| Squirm | my debian server has been up 80 days | 18:10 |
| Squirm | 80 becuase I think I forgot to pay my account. so it died | 18:10 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:10 |
| zeref | Kilos: debian still uses gnome 2.3 :) | 18:11 |
| Kilos | then maybe i will stick there zeref | 18:11 |
| Kilos | but will try keep maverick going as long as possible first | 18:12 |
| zeref | 10.04? | 18:13 |
| zeref | :whistle: | 18:13 |
| Kilos | 10.0 | 18:13 |
| Kilos | 10.10 | 18:13 |
| Squirm | Kilos: no 12.04? | 18:13 |
| zeref | i mean why not 10.04 | 18:14 |
| Kilos | pc cant do unity and the classic gnome wasnt as stable as 10.10 | 18:14 |
| Kilos | i have 11.04 xubuntu on a small drive but it has probs with its apt | 18:15 |
| zeref | i'm sure gnome-stable in 12.04 will be solid | 18:15 |
| zeref | *gnome-classic | 18:15 |
| Kilos | yeah maybe but all the updating kills my data | 18:15 |
| Kilos | but i will definitely try it | 18:16 |
| Squirm | don't update? | 18:16 |
| Kilos | dont really wanna leave ubuntu | 18:16 |
| Kilos | you have to do the first update and that a few hundred megs of data | 18:17 |
| zeref | get ubuntu 10.04.4 | 18:18 |
| Kilos | i have 10.04 as well but 10.10 worked better | 18:20 |
| Kilos | is that 10.04.4 a typo? | 18:21 |
| Squirm | 10.04 is an LTS isn't it? | 18:21 |
| Kilos | yeah | 18:21 |
| zeref | *10.04.3 | 18:21 |
| Kilos | zeref, where are you getting the .3 and .4 from | 18:22 |
| zeref | all LTS have like *servce pack" updates | 18:28 |
| Kilos | oh didnt know that | 18:29 |
| Kilos | night guys sleep tight | 18:35 |
| superfly | Missed all the action, did I? | 18:52 |
| inetpro | superfly: action? | 19:05 |
| superfly | inetpro: some chatter | 19:06 |
| kbmonkey | yay it worked! | 19:06 |
| kbmonkey | copied ubuntu install from a disk to another | 19:07 |
| zeref | woah, who has 12.04 already | 19:10 |
| superfly | zeref: um, I've been running it since the first beta | 19:22 |
| nuvolari | o/ | 19:23 |
| * nuvolari starts upgrading | 19:23 | |
| kbmonkey | *jealous face* | 19:24 |
| zeref | superfly: any difference | 19:24 |
| superfly | zeref: between 11.10 and 12.04? | 19:24 |
| superfly | lots | 19:24 |
| superfly | KDE 4.8 | 19:24 |
| zeref | beta and final | 19:24 |
| superfly | oh, I dunno | 19:24 |
| superfly | been upgrading incrementally, so I can't really say | 19:25 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: ping | 19:25 |
| zeref | for me beta was slow, + using >1GB of ram | 19:26 |
| inetpro | zeref: I don't think the usage of more RAM is a bit thing | 19:27 |
| inetpro | s/bit thing/bad thing/ | 19:28 |
| zeref | nah, at start up 500MB | 19:28 |
| zeref | o0o0 | 19:28 |
| inetpro | I would almost say the more RAM used, the better | 19:29 |
| inetpro | that's what it is there for after all | 19:29 |
| inetpro | and what is slow? | 19:30 |
| inetpro | it's all relative | 19:30 |
| zeref | bootup was slow, unity was slow | 19:30 |
| nuvolari | anyone used the mysql tools? | 19:45 |
| nuvolari | *the new mysql tools | 19:45 |
| nuvolari | I've seen it swiftly at work this week | 19:45 |
| nuvolari | but it was really not intuitive | 19:45 |
| nuvolari | took both of us way too long to figure out how to create a schema with the new tool | 19:46 |
| kbmonkey | i've _seen_ it briefly nuvolari, cant say much from using it | 19:47 |
| magespawn | Evening all | 19:52 |
| kbmonkey | lo magespawn o/ | 19:52 |
| magespawn | Whats up? | 19:53 |
| kbmonkey | setting up a pc with ubuntu so my dad can try it out | 19:56 |
| kbmonkey | and learning some urwid while i wait for it to finish | 19:56 |
| magespawn | urwid? | 19:59 |
| superfly | heya magespawn | 19:59 |
| magespawn | Hey superfly | 19:59 |
| kbmonkey | urwid is a python ncurses widget library | 20:01 |
| magespawn | Ty | 20:01 |
| magespawn | Joust googled | 20:02 |
| magespawn | Just | 20:02 |
| nuvolari | oh pooh. : ( this is the issue with customized systems: you're screwed when upgrading | 20:08 |
| zeref | customized systems?? | 20:08 |
| nuvolari | zeref: lots of non-standard packages | 20:10 |
| nuvolari | I don't know what exactly :P | 20:11 |
| nuvolari | but I think I did a clean install for 11.10 and now it complains for something on upgrade, then exits | 20:11 |
| superfly | nuvolari: I disabled all PPA's and other repositories, and then I did a plain "upgrade" to the latest version of oneiric, and then I did a dist-upgrade | 20:13 |
| nuvimob | ugh, this doesn't make sense... | 20:26 |
| nuvimob | why would there be an alternate disc when it still wants to download from the net? | 20:27 |
| nuvimob | maybe I should just switch to a rolling release distress | 20:28 |
| nuvimob | distro | 20:28 |
| nuvimob | Hmm. it only now makes sense what you said superfly :-P | 20:28 |
| superfly | nuvimob: ? | 20:29 |
| superfly | oh, the ppas | 20:29 |
| nuvimob | ya | 20:29 |
| superfly | I've been toying with the idea of installing Arch | 20:30 |
| * nuvimob tries to be patient tonight | 20:30 | |
| superfly | apparently they have a very vanilla version of KDE, and some folks say it's better than the version of KDE in Kubuntu | 20:30 |
| nuvimob | ye, me too, but I had issues with Java, but on a virtual machine though | 20:31 |
| nuvimob | getting ticked off | 20:36 |
| nuvimob | I really don't want to wait untill Monday | 20:38 |
| nuvimob | to do a net install | 20:38 |
| nuvimob | this is not funny at all | 20:55 |
| nuvimob | my worst upgrade experience so far | 20:55 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: hi | 20:56 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: I've installed debian in a VM so that I can get back to packaging that app | 20:57 |
| superfly | is there an "official" list somewhere of packages I should install for building packages? | 20:57 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: packaging-dev is a fairly recent attempt at that | 21:01 |
| superfly | hrm, let me see if I have that | 21:01 |
| superfly | nope | 21:10 |
| superfly | tumbleweed: I have Debian 6.0.4 | 21:10 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: I recommend using unstable / precise for packaging work | 21:11 |
| superfly | OK | 21:11 |
| superfly | I just downloaded the ISO they recommended... | 21:11 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, we only really release the stable releases :) | 21:12 |
| tumbleweed | you can use squeeze, you'll just have some older tools. That's not a problem, though | 21:12 |
| * superfly upgrades to unstable | 21:19 | |
| superfly | tumbleweed: bandwidth isn't a problem :-) | 21:19 |
| superfly | well, I'm going to hit the hay, tumbleweed I'll see you tomorrow... I'll be there in the morning. | 21:30 |
| magespawn | Night all. | 21:42 |
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