[00:42] <astraljava> ScottL: Oh good, I just tested our image and it plays mp4 video out-of-the-box. Wonder why is that?
[00:42] <ScottL> astraljava, i haven't a clue but that's good :)
[00:43] <ScottL> ..
[00:43] <ScottL> i've been working on the release notes:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[00:43] <ScottL> i encourage everyone to look over them and definitely fix what you absolutely know is wrong
[00:43] <astraljava> ScottL: I suppose, but I couldn't see whether the bug that caused the latest re-spin is anywhere near. I wasn't prompted for codecs installation.
[00:43] <astraljava> ScottL: On it.
[00:44] <ScottL> i need to get away from the computer for a while, if there is concern about a part and a consensus can be achieved without me, please make the changes as well
[00:44] <ScottL> some things i should note:
[00:45] <ScottL> 1.  i really didn't think about the minimum requirements and more or less accepted the defaults on the wiki page
[00:45] <ScottL> 2.  i noted that user should probably just resintall ubuntu studio if coming from 10.04 due to the extent of the changes
[00:46] <ScottL> (we really haven't tested this upgrade and i'm guessing it will either break or be extremely bloated :P )
[00:46] <ScottL> 3.  i didn't note any "known issues" at this point (although some defaults are there - don't get rid of them, they are pulled in from an <<include>>)
[00:47] <ScottL>      if you remember any "known issues" please include them (i'm a bit frazzled currently and can't remember at this point)
[00:47] <ScottL> there you go, be back later
[00:53] <astraljava> ScottL: Yeah we didn't even have an upgrade test case, so upgrading definitely isn't supported.
[00:58] <len-dt> astraljava, I think we include the good, bad and the ugly. The include box in ubuiquity is just for mp3. We could use the same variable for some other things too.
[00:59] <len-dt> astraljava, we included everything to get the live dvd to work and because we didn't have time to replace the workflow chooser, etc with a ubiquity plugin.
[01:00] <astraljava> $ grep gst *
[01:00] <astraljava> desktop:The gstreamer0.10 packages we want to install:
[01:00] <astraljava> desktop: * (gstreamer0.10-alsa)
[01:00] <astraljava> desktop: * (gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-apps)
[01:01] <astraljava> desktop: * (gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio)
[01:01] <astraljava> I'm not seeing the bad ones.
[01:01] <len-dt> I don't think it's gstreamer.
[01:01] <len-dt>  I think its the av-extras
[01:03] <astraljava> livavcodec-extra-53 is seeded.
[01:03] <astraljava> Oh... but I suppose that depends on the actual codec used for the video. mp4 is just a container format, right?
[01:03] <len-dt> And it pulls in about 5 other extras with it
[01:04] <astraljava> Ok, well I should see it with this soon-to-be-finished Xubuntu install.
[01:04] <len-dt> I thought mp4 was more standardised than avi but maybe not.
[01:04]  * astraljava is clueless about these formats and codecs and whathaveyou.
[01:05]  * len-dt is not much better
[01:11] <len-dt> I know that avi is a container and can have an mp4 inside... but that may just mean taking what the mp4 contains and moving it to the avi...
[01:16] <astraljava> ScottL: I did a few small fixes, nothing major. Please not, that when upgrading to a new stable release, no -d switch is needed for update-manager or do-release-upgrade.
[01:16] <astraljava> note*
[01:17] <len-dt> astraljava, what did you upgrade from?
[01:18] <astraljava> len-dt: Nothing, if you're referring to above, that was about release notes.
[01:18] <len-dt> Ahh. ok.
[01:20]  * len-dt notices that #ubuntu-release has gotten very quiet.
[01:24] <astraljava> Yep, they're up to something.
[01:24] <astraljava> Hopefully just getting ready for celebration. :)
[01:25] <len-dt> Something about 1200UTC...
[01:33] <astraljava> Yep.
[01:38] <len-dt> ScottL (and anyone else) I have been playing around with the xfce panel to see how close it can come to AWN. (I have AWN on this machine before I install release) and it comes pretty close.
[01:39] <len-dt> The thing is both AWN and the xfce panel get pretty crowded if one tries to get all the functionality in it that the top panel now has.
[01:40] <astraljava> Yeah, I hate that, and always add more panels.
[01:41] <len-dt> The trick the the AWN icon does when it replaces the whole panel with it's own menu is nice, and if that was easy to do for other things it would work nice.
[01:44] <astraljava> I'll read about it in a few weeks, I have no idea what it even looks like.
[01:44] <astraljava> As the images are in final now, I can have a few hours of sleep before the working day starts.
[01:44] <astraljava> See ya later!
[03:55] <ScottL> len-dt, you can add multiple items to a launcher on the xfce panel
[03:56] <len-dt> yes
[03:56] <ScottL> the result is that you can stack related work flow items within a single dock icon that way
[03:57] <ScottL> len-dt, what do you think of a "new user package"?  it might do several things like...
[03:57] <ScottL> install docks with work flows
[03:57] <len-dt> ScottL, the only problem is that the stack ends up with the icon of the first app. Unless a dummy app is made with it's own icon.
[03:57] <ScottL> provide ardour templates
[03:57] <ScottL> provide ardour patchbay settings
[03:57] <len-dt> ScottL, You have me as a new user to try it on.
[03:58] <ScottL> anything that might help a new user function, really...i'm tired and can't think of any other examles
[03:58] <len-dt> I have an idea how things work, but not a good handle on putting it together.
[03:58] <ScottL> len-dt, hehe, but i meant a user who isn't familiar with linux or ubuntu, for example
[03:58] <ScottL> as well as what process is usually used
[03:58] <ScottL> artistically speaking
[03:58] <len-dt> ScottL, I'll ask my Yf.
[03:59] <ScottL> what is a Yf?
[03:59] <len-dt> Wife?
[03:59] <ScottL> ohhhh, i get it :)
[03:59] <len-dt> Much nicer than the older xyl
[04:00] <ScottL> heh
[04:01] <ScottL> allrighty, i'm tired and going to bed, goodnight everyone
[04:01] <len-dt> Ta
[14:02] <len-dt> me/ notices we have release images
[14:03]  * len-dt is having finger trouble
[14:06] <astraljava> Yep, they should be out by now.
[14:33] <acmeinc1> Has anyone noticed the default (greybird) theme on Studio has a very very small frame. making it very difficult to resize from vertically in a xfce4-terminal window, plus many others?
[15:39] <astraljava> acmeinc: Yes, known "issue". Use Alt + Right-click and then drag mouse, the window magically changes size.
[15:49] <scott-work> i'm a little bummed by some of the bugs coming in :/
[15:49] <scott-work> part of me wants to say "we don't even ship that stuff, we are you bothering me"
[15:49] <scott-work> another part says "crap, this is something we didn't think to test/check/verify"
[15:49] <scott-work> although we can take this as a learning curve and document some of these things to test in the future, though
[15:50] <scott-work> acmeinc: also if you right click the header (or file -> resize ?) you can resize the window as well
[15:51] <scott-work> if there is a simple setting to change (and maybe xubuntu / shimmer already has) we can update it
[15:51] <astraljava> scott-work: For the window borders? I asked ochosi a while back, I thought that alt+right-click was a much easier way. :D
[15:52] <astraljava> scott-work: And you get used to it quickly, and when you do, you don't wanna go back. :)
[15:52] <scott-work> astraljava: oh!  are you saying that alt+right-click resizes the border around the window?
[15:52] <scott-work> not the window itself?
[15:52] <astraljava> scott-work: Yes.
[15:52] <astraljava> Err...
[15:52] <scott-work> sweeeet!
[15:52] <scott-work> errrr
[15:52] <astraljava> Oh sorry.
[15:52] <scott-work> ah
[15:52] <scott-work> hehe :P
[15:52] <astraljava> No, not the border. But I thought the question was that the borders were so thin, it's hard to resize the window.
[15:53] <astraljava> Which is the problem I had at first.
[15:53] <astraljava> Doesn't bother me anymore.
[15:53] <astraljava> That method is just way too sweet for resizing.
[15:55] <astraljava> ARGH! I hate this friggin' Mac. Chrome won't open a .gz text file into a new tab, I need to download it. :-/
[16:11] <astraljava> scott-work: Are there several bugs? I only spotted one so far.
[16:11] <astraljava> Oh sorry, I misread.
[16:12] <scott-work> astraljava: there were a few bugs:  plymouth-theme not updating, albatross theme text/background too similar, maybe something else
[16:13] <scott-work> i expect more to come when others really start downloading
[16:13] <scott-work> ..
[16:13] <scott-work> this afternoon (in about 2.57 hours), i plan to send out emails announcing the release
[16:13] <astraljava> For sure. I just didn't realize some of them were marked for us. Thought Xubuntu, as I get their bug mail as well.
[16:13] <astraljava> That'd be great, thanks!
[16:14] <astraljava> scott-work: Oh, you're _precise_! I'll check the mailing list at 18:58 UTC then.
[16:15] <astraljava> err... 18:48 UTC, sorry. I'm not precise enough.
[18:38] <scott-work> lol, astraljava
[18:38] <scott-work> mainly i through out those times because i have a slighly bent sense of humour
[18:39] <knome> hey scott-work, congrats for the US release too :)
[18:39] <scott-work> knome: thank you :)
[18:39] <scott-work> and congrats on xubuntu
[18:39] <micahg> congrats to the Ubuntu Studio team!
[18:39] <scott-work> i like the lightdm greeter them, i'll have to steal that from you ;)
[18:40] <scott-work> thank you as well micahg, you were quite pivotal in the effort as well
[18:41] <micahg> it would be great if Ubuntu Studio could grow its contributor base :)
[18:46] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah, I don't understand such humor one bit. Pun intended.
[18:46] <scott-work> astraljava: hehe
[18:46] <knome> thanks! :)
[18:46] <astraljava> micahg: Thanks SO MUCH for your tireless efforts throughout the cycle!
[18:46] <scott-work> micahg: i think it has already started and i believe the trend will continue
[18:47] <astraljava> This extends to TheMuso of course, too.
[18:47] <astraljava> The rest of us just slacked off, really. :)
[18:47] <micahg> scott-work: this is good news, looking forward to reviewing dev applications later in Quantal or during the R cycle :)
[18:47] <astraljava> micahg: Time permitting, I could think of doing that during the R cycle. :)
[18:48] <astraljava> I have to practice lots during this now-starting one.
[18:48] <micahg> sounds good
[18:48] <astraljava> So bear with us for a while still, aye? :)
[18:49] <micahg> astraljava: yeah, you can start with the Ubuntu Studio merges once quantal opens: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+localpackagediffs?field.name_filter=&field.package_type=non-ignored&field.package_type-empty-marker=1&field.packageset=132 
[18:49] <micahg> astraljava: don't worry about the ones without Ubuntu changes, you should check with the person who touched it last before starting on something
[18:50] <astraljava> micahg: Ok, sounds good. Thanks for the link!
[18:50] <micahg> haha, there were none in the list :)
[18:51] <astraljava> Hmm? Ok, maybe I just don't understand how to read it.
[18:55] <scott-work> micahg: oh, you mean ubuntu developer?  i think i could do that :)
[18:55] <astraljava> Ahh... ok, you meant if there was a newer package in quantal than in wheezy, right.
[18:56] <micahg> astraljava: yes, with Ubuntu Changes, the autosync next week should take care of the rest
[18:56] <astraljava> Gotcha.
[18:57] <astraljava> scott-work: It'd be cool if we could train together. :)
[18:57] <knome> what about bussing togehter?
[18:57] <scott-work> astraljava: yes it would, i imagine it would make it easier as well
[18:57] <astraljava> I want to start contributing to Debian, too. It'll support nicely.
[18:58] <astraljava> knome: Shush. This is our land, you have no power here. :p
[18:58] <knome> awwh.
[18:58] <knome> i'll need to ask somebody to gimme more powers
[18:58] <astraljava> Hehehe. I know a certain aussie who's easily bribed.
[18:59] <knome> yeah.
[18:59] <knome> but i don't know if *he* has the powers anymore.
[19:00] <jussi> what do you want...
[19:00] <scott-work> okay, i emailed linux outlaws, distrowatch, ubuntustudio users, ubuntu stduio devel, posted to G+ (both personal account and ubuntu studio account)
[19:00] <scott-work> am i missing anywhere?
[19:00] <jussi> but then, its probably not me you are talkign about :P
[19:00] <knome> jussi, +F access to #ubuntustudio-devel so astraljava can't tell me i can't throw lousy jokes.
[19:00] <jussi> oh
[19:01] <knome> no, i don't really want that.
[19:01] <knome> i'd want +F for #xubuntu-devel :(
[19:01] <jussi> I no longer have that power, go bribe Pici, Alanbell, Topyli or funkyhat
[19:01] <knome> the access list is sad
[19:01] <knome> but that's offtopic.
[19:01] <knome> at least in this channel anyway..
[19:01] <jussi> scott-work: facebook
[19:02] <jussi> scott-work: do you even have access to theFB account? 
[19:02] <micahg> scott-work: you and astraljava might want to join pkg-multimedia-maintainers on alioth once you get some packaging experience (this way you can push changes into Debian and sync to Ubuntu, which is what quadrispro does in most cases)
[19:02] <jussi> s/account/page/group etc
[19:02] <knome> leave the facebook account unchanged. fb sucks.
[19:03] <astraljava> micahg: I have already started that process, but left in the middle for some reason I forget now. I'll try to get it rolling again within the next couple of days.
[19:04] <astraljava> Ok, the bickering by the gnomes and kiwis notwithstanding, I'm off for celebration beers now. Catch ya later. :)
[19:05] <knome> hehe. have fun astraljava :)
[19:06] <astraljava> knome: If you wanna join in, we're going to Rotterdam. /me doesn't wait for the obvious puns commencing...
[19:06] <knome> hehe.
[19:06] <knome> well, maybe not today. i have a feeling i've been out too much, and i might go tomorrow too...
[19:07] <knome> and i have good beer at home too :)
[19:07] <knome> but thanks for the offer :)
[19:12] <scott-work> micahg: i believe i am a member of pkg-multimedia-maintainers already, quadrispro strongly "recommended" it
[19:12] <scott-work> jussi: i don't have a facebook account
[19:12] <micahg> scott-work: indeed you are ;)
[19:12] <knome> scott-work, i suppose he was referring to a ubuntu studio one
[19:12] <scott-work> yay!
[19:13] <micahg> scott-work: are you subscribe to the mailing list as well?
[19:13] <scott-work> knome: is there a ubuntustudio facebook account?  i don't think we own it
[19:13] <scott-work> micahg: indeed, i am
[19:13] <knome> scott-work, i don't know, but judging from jussi's comments, there probably is
[19:13] <scott-work> although a majority of it goes to it's own folder, which i dutifuly delete from time to time :P
[19:13] <knome> hehe
[19:13] <micahg> scott-work: great, the only thing is Debian uses git instead of bzr, so it's another workflow to learn
[19:13] <scott-work> i really should read more in there but the volume is quite large
[19:13] <micahg> or you can use bzr-git
[19:15] <jussi> I am the main admin on it...
[19:16] <jussi> scott-work: you dont seem very up on the FB stuff, is there someone else that wants to volunteer to do it ?
[19:35] <jussi> http://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio
[19:49] <scott-work> jussi: sorry to be picky, is it possible to change this to http://www.facebook.com/UbuntuStudio ?
[19:59] <jussi> scott-work: it doesnt matter... 
[20:00] <jussi> you can use facebook.com/UBUNTUSTUDIO if you like
[20:00] <jussi> anyways, bed tme now
[20:28] <scott-work> should i also post something at reddit?