| astraljava | Ehh... after a while, I just saw the all-gray terminal of Xubuntu. | 01:25 |
|---|---|---|
| astraljava | ;) | 01:25 |
| GridCube | :P | 01:25 |
| GridCube | its awesome | 01:25 |
| GridCube | you open it and go... oooooh | 01:26 |
| astraljava | oooohh... where did all the colors go from my monitor?! | 01:28 |
| GridCube | :P no, more like oooooh... thats nice! | 01:29 |
| GridCube | i have made all the interfaces i can "all grey" | 01:30 |
| astraljava | I use gray too, but lots of shades of it. :) | 01:30 |
| GridCube | astraljava, http://imagebin.org/209761 | 01:34 |
| GridCube | :P | 01:34 |
| astraljava | Well that really is quite... gray. | 01:35 |
| GridCube | C: | 01:35 |
| pleia2 | knome: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/precise/ the precise_ images are for our screenshots page which we should publish soon, the x.png files are numbered similiarly but are shrunk versions of the precise_ ones for the front page | 01:39 |
| pleia2 | or whatever you want to do :) | 01:39 |
| pleia2 | ah, I see what the person was saying about the website lying, the last page of our countdown banner is showing which says "Download Xubuntu 12.04 now!" | 01:41 |
| pleia2 | er "being silly" | 01:42 |
| astraljava | Well, it's not strictly lying, it's not saying 12.04 Final. :D | 01:42 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 01:42 |
| Unit193 | Ah, I see. | 01:42 |
| pleia2 | ok, I snagged a screenshot for http://xubuntu.org/help/ | 01:50 |
| pleia2 | I think then we'll have http://xubuntu.org/tour/ to do | 01:50 |
| pleia2 | and we should put together some new FAQ | 01:50 |
| pleia2 | (same 10, review answers?) | 01:50 |
| GridCube | probably | 01:50 |
| GridCube | we have a few new ones | 01:50 |
| pleia2 | good | 01:51 |
| GridCube | mostly samba shares, use gigolo | 01:51 |
| pleia2 | cool | 01:51 |
| pleia2 | ok, uploaded http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/precise/open_xchat-p.png for /help | 01:54 |
| GridCube | i found the other thing that had to go to faq and was the resize thing, but ochosi already did an awesome faq for it | 02:00 |
| GridCube | another thing we could add is the anoying thunar issue, the workaround works pretty well | 02:01 |
| GridCube | mmm | 02:54 |
| GridCube | everytime i plug the headphones a crash report pops up indicating blueman crashed | 02:55 |
| GridCube | but i dont have bluthooth stuff | 02:56 |
| GridCube | blueman-applet | 02:56 |
| micahg | GridCube: please file a bug | 02:57 |
| GridCube | i get a "know issue" from the crash reports handler and nothing more | 02:58 |
| GridCube | not even a link to the known isue isue | 02:58 |
| GridCube | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/988656 | 03:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 988656 in blueman (Ubuntu) "blueman-applet fails in xubuntu 12.04 everytime a headphone jack is plugged in" [Undecided,New] | 03:07 |
| Unit193 | GridCube: There should be a button for "Details" | 03:08 |
| GridCube | Unit193, yes, thats how i know its the blueman-applet | 03:09 |
| Unit193 | It gave me the bug number when I did it, but it was one digit off. :P | 03:09 |
| GridCube | its funny how consistent it is :P | 03:10 |
| micahg | he filed 2 bugs | 03:18 |
| Unit193 | Really weird... | 03:21 |
| Unit193 | "appending screenshot of the report and a dump of lshw. please inform me if you need extra information" That's the addition, you think he may have hit the back button? | 03:23 |
| knome | damn, my intelligent script didn't work then ;) | 07:40 |
| Unit193 | s/ent/ence/ | 07:41 |
| knome | nope, it's not an intelligence script :P | 07:41 |
| knome | i just updated the frontpage to at least serve the "soon" image | 07:45 |
| astraljava | It's a script, please don't think it's intelligent. | 07:50 |
| astraljava | Right, Unit193? | 07:50 |
| Unit193 | astraljava: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 07:51 |
| astraljava | See? | 07:51 |
| knome | \o/ | 08:20 |
| knome | the slideshow script is working as expected | 08:20 |
| knome | pleia2, thanks for the screenshots. they are up! | 08:26 |
| knome | okay, the countdown banners should now say "soon" !! \o/ | 08:28 |
| ochosi | hi everyone | 08:29 |
| astraljava | o/ | 08:30 |
| ochosi | hehe, clever hiding abiword behind gnumeric in the slideshow :p | 08:31 |
| knome | release notes at xubuntu.org are in line with the ones in the wiki | 08:33 |
| knome | IF YOU DO ANY CHANGES, please make sure it's going in both. | 08:33 |
| ochosi | haven't taken a look at the release notes yet | 08:35 |
| knome | awwh! | 08:36 |
| knome | why you little...! | 08:36 |
| ochosi | but i guess i can say everytime: with $release, artwork has improved a lot, the look is more polished and everything's perrty! | 08:36 |
| knome | hehe | 08:36 |
| ochosi | and anyway, i spent more energy on trying to blog stuff lately | 08:37 |
| ochosi | which reminds me, what do you think of showing the post-author? | 08:37 |
| ochosi | (i'm looking at the release-notes now, but really, i don't think there's anything for me to add) | 08:38 |
| knome | author worksforme | 08:40 |
| ochosi | the question is whether it'll also be visible on the planet (where most of our readers are probably) | 08:40 |
| knome | nope. | 08:42 |
| knome | until you either type it in the post | 08:42 |
| knome | or add a plugin which does that for you | 08:42 |
| ochosi | hmm | 08:43 |
| knome | something like "The author of this post is Simon Steinbeiß who is the Xubuntu Artwork Lead. In addition to Xubuntu, he works extensively on the Shimmer Project and Xfce. ..." | 08:43 |
| ochosi | yeah, something like that would be useful | 08:43 |
| ochosi | i guess something like a custom field or a tag could work? | 08:44 |
| knome | mmh, those aren't pulled to planet | 08:44 |
| ochosi | mkay | 08:44 |
| knome | that's why it needs to be technically *in the post* | 08:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, i see | 08:45 |
| ochosi | well i can add my "signature" to all my posts by hand... | 08:45 |
| knome | yeah | 08:45 |
| ochosi | or we make a signature-plugin | 08:45 |
| ochosi | and add a field to the profile | 08:45 |
| knome | we could definitely write one | 08:45 |
| ochosi | i mean the user-profile | 08:45 |
| knome | yep | 08:45 |
| knome | and you could even show that in the post page | 08:46 |
| knome | and if you wanted, you could edit that per-post | 08:46 |
| knome | say, you wanted to tell you just got a new puppy | 08:46 |
| ochosi | yeah, but the simple way of auto-adding the signature to the post would be sufficient imo | 08:46 |
| ochosi | in fact it would only have to autoadd --sig to every new post you create. so you could edit it by hand anyway | 08:47 |
| knome | mmh. | 08:47 |
| knome | yeah | 08:47 |
| knome | that would work probably | 08:47 |
| ochosi | if i add that now to my posts, will that re-feed them to the planet? | 08:48 |
| knome | it shouldn't, since we switched back to the better rss2 feed | 08:48 |
| knome | (rather than atom, which refeeded because there was only one date-field) | 08:48 |
| knome | try with the newest post first | 08:48 |
| ochosi | ok | 08:49 |
| ochosi | (whoa, being able to work with wordpress instead of drupal is such a blessing...) | 08:49 |
| knome | yup. | 08:51 |
| ochosi | ok, i added a signature now | 08:51 |
| knome | you *could* do such things in drupal, but it would be a world war every time ;) | 08:51 |
| ochosi | i guess for the style of it, italic font is fine? | 08:52 |
| ochosi | well even just the user-interface of wordpress is solid gold | 08:52 |
| knome | yeah, italic | 08:53 |
| knome | true | 08:53 |
| knome | it would be cool to integrate the author gravatar to the sig too. | 08:54 |
| ochosi | good idea | 08:54 |
| knome | and maybe style it that it stands out a bit more | 08:54 |
| knome | but that's for later | 08:54 |
| ochosi | yes, a box or something | 08:54 |
| knome | maybe not a box box, but yeah | 08:54 |
| ochosi | doesn't seem like the planet got updated | 08:54 |
| ochosi | i mean the post is still old there | 08:55 |
| knome | yeah, shouldn't have | 08:55 |
| knome | but the planet updates like every 10mins | 08:55 |
| ochosi | ok | 08:55 |
| knome | so maybe wait for 15 | 08:55 |
| ochosi | yup | 08:55 |
| ochosi | yesterday night i had a few ideas for 12.10 | 08:55 |
| knome | hehe | 08:55 |
| knome | did you add them to the roadmap? | 08:55 |
| ochosi | no, i'll tell you first and then you'll tell me that's bs :) | 08:56 |
| knome | haha | 08:56 |
| knome | k | 08:56 |
| knome | well, the community should decide that, but... ;) | 08:56 |
| ochosi | 1) replace the menu by fullscreen appfinder with dark style (kinda like the gnome-shell activities launcher) | 08:56 |
| ochosi | 2) write a small programm that displays our keyboard-shortcuts when holding the super-key (like in ubuntu atm, i think that's a valuable thing) | 08:57 |
| knome | 1) possible, but that will need extensive testing and we should still provide the menu as an alternative | 08:57 |
| knome | 2) yeah, but who's gonna write that? ;) | 08:57 |
| ochosi | i dunno, it doesn't sound very hard | 08:57 |
| ochosi | and i think i know someone who might do that | 08:57 |
| knome | yeah, it's probably rather trivial, but still somebody should do that | 08:58 |
| ochosi | i recently contacted sean davis (the guy who submitted so many bugreports for P on LP) | 08:58 |
| ochosi | he does simple pygtk apps from what i saw on g+ | 08:58 |
| knome | ah | 08:58 |
| ochosi | i'll ask him about it | 08:58 |
| knome | k | 08:58 |
| ochosi | (he already said he wants to contribute in Q via email) | 08:59 |
| madnick | To me, an app such as that sounds like, what I often call "X Hell" | 08:59 |
| ochosi | madnick: why's that? | 08:59 |
| madnick | But I'm not sure what you mean. But I suspect you mean something global | 08:59 |
| knome | stochastic, hai | 08:59 |
| madnick | Xlib, or if you are lucky, some VM tricks | 08:59 |
| stochastic | knome, hi | 09:00 |
| madnick | WM* | 09:00 |
| ochosi | madnick: i have no clue how ubuntu did it, i'd just fork whatever they did for the holding-superkey implementation | 09:00 |
| knome | what if that was just a keybind that ran a script that printed a notify-box? :P | 09:00 |
| knome | stochastic, did you know you're join/quit/joining? | 09:00 |
| knome | 11:59 » stochastic [~stochasti@d207-81-38-154.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #xubuntu-devel | 09:00 |
| madnick | knome: cloak | 09:00 |
| knome | 11:59 » stochastic [~stochasti@d207-81-38-154.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] | 09:00 |
| knome | 11:59 » stochastic [~stochasti@pdpc/supporter/bronze/stochastic] has joined #xubuntu-devel | 09:00 |
| ochosi | knome: yes, but then it would have to be a more complex keybinding than "hold super-key for 5sec) | 09:00 |
| knome | madnick, yes, but that's avoidable... | 09:00 |
| knome | stochastic, try setting your nickserv pass as the server password :) | 09:00 |
| ochosi | knome: i like the fact that you're our irc evangelist :) | 09:01 |
| Unit193 | knome: Trying to set them all right? I like that. | 09:01 |
| stochastic | knome, this was just now? I'll check into that. | 09:01 |
| knome | ochosi, maybe, unless the keybind was super, and the script sleeped for 5secs and checked if super was still pressed ;) | 09:01 |
| knome | ochosi, but yeah, i can see a bumpy road that way... | 09:02 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, possibly, i'll try to investigate that a bit (if we really want it) | 09:02 |
| knome | Unit193, well, when i have time to notice the users, i will ;) | 09:02 |
| knome | Unit193, especially in -devel, since i want as short logs as possible | 09:03 |
| astraljava | knome: While I do understand the policy of telling them the release is at the end of 26th, UTC, I also don't like misleading them. | 09:06 |
| knome | astraljava, what do you suggest then | 09:06 |
| Unit193 | Says "By the end" | 09:06 |
| astraljava | Telling that it'll be released somtime during the 26th UTC. | 09:07 |
| knome | right | 09:07 |
| knome | yes | 09:07 |
| knome | that's a subtle difference :) | 09:07 |
| knome | happy? | 09:07 |
| Unit193 | But, mien is more technically correct. | 09:07 |
| knome | Unit193, actually not | 09:08 |
| knome | at least not more correct | 09:08 |
| knome | but might be misunderstood to say it's released at the end | 09:08 |
| astraljava | Cause my current understanding is that it's not that long anymore, so people will get pi*... angry if they find out it's been out for several hours already, thus rendering them useless in clogging Canonical's pipes. | 09:08 |
| Unit193 | Now I have to reset the alias..... | 09:08 |
| knome | oh my :) | 09:08 |
| knome | astraljava, hehe | 09:09 |
| ochosi | knome: ok, the planet shows the post correctly now | 09:10 |
| knome | ochosi, good | 09:10 |
| ochosi | i'll add the signature to the resize-window post as well for consistency | 09:10 |
| ochosi | knome: i think the least we should do now is add a signature-css | 09:11 |
| knome | ochosi, site-update-wise, that's as "hard" as just writing the plugin and pushing that :) | 09:12 |
| ochosi | oh, i forgot about that... | 09:12 |
| knome | hehe :) | 09:12 |
| knome | if we had ssh access to the server, that would probably be in already | 09:13 |
| knome | you can add inline css yourself though | 09:13 |
| knome | just edit in the html mode | 09:13 |
| knome | <p style="css: here;">text</p> | 09:13 |
| ochosi | hmyeah, of course | 09:13 |
| ochosi | but then we'd have to settle on a css style first ;) | 09:14 |
| ochosi | interesting, gthumb 3.0 is out | 09:14 |
| knome | well, once we push the css/plugin, we will need to fix those paragraphs anyway | 09:14 |
| knome | so it doesn't matter if you added something that isn't final | 09:14 |
| ochosi | mhm | 09:14 |
| ochosi | knome: sry, don't have time (and creativity) to think of a nice signature-css-style now, if you have ideas feel free to make it | 09:53 |
| knome | ochosi, i will think of that some time later | 09:53 |
| knome | whether that was with the plugin code or just css ;) | 09:53 |
| ochosi | yup | 09:54 |
| knome | ablomen, merge request accepted, added you to credits :) | 09:54 |
| knome | ablomen, thanks! | 09:54 |
| ablomen | knome, Cool, no problem! I'll go over the other javascript code in the coming days whenever I'm bored at work :) | 10:04 |
| knome | ablomen, great :) | 10:04 |
| ochosi | knome: any opinion on bug #982820 | 10:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 982820 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Greybird metacity window title off-centre" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/982820 | 10:04 |
| knome | ochosi, it's off centre even with xfwm. | 10:05 |
| ochosi | yes, that's because of the uneven number of elements | 10:05 |
| knome | yeah | 10:05 |
| ochosi | i think it would have to be fixed in xfwm4 itself | 10:05 |
| knome | i don't know metacity well enough to have a specific opinion or insight on that | 10:05 |
| knome | maybe ask for a shot without the fix and with the fix | 10:06 |
| knome | and if it proves to be as he says, then i'm all in for dropping the fix in. | 10:06 |
| ochosi | i already did that | 10:07 |
| ochosi | read my comment ;) | 10:07 |
| knome | ah | 10:07 |
| ochosi | unfortunately my second comment was dumped by LP | 10:07 |
| knome | yeah, i actually read it, but missed the last comment in the comment ;) | 10:07 |
| ochosi | the centering works in metacity as it does in xfwm4 | 10:07 |
| ochosi | so centering is always based on the window-buttons | 10:07 |
| knome | mmhmm | 10:08 |
| ochosi | if you have them on the left (like ubuntu does by default) you'll need the -36 to have the title centered | 10:08 |
| knome | i mean, go for it if it fixes it | 10:08 |
| knome | is there any possibility the buttons and the text could overlap? | 10:08 |
| ochosi | no, the point is that there is no fixing it | 10:09 |
| knome | hm? | 10:09 |
| ochosi | you can either optimize it for min,max,close buttons on the left or on the right | 10:09 |
| ochosi | setting the value to 0 doesn't center the title, it's just the value between those two options | 10:10 |
| knome | aha | 10:10 |
| knome | pleia2, can we maybe set up an email list for the twitter account? | 10:11 |
| knome | pleia2, i mean, then we'd all get notifications | 10:12 |
| knome | pleia2, i'm also thinking if there is some notifications for the g+ account, we could use the list for that too | 10:12 |
| ochosi | knome: the title is always centered relative to the title-element, not window-width | 10:12 |
| knome | ochosi, right | 10:12 |
| knome | ochosi, in xfwm and metacity | 10:12 |
| knome | ? | 10:12 |
| ochosi | yup | 10:12 |
| knome | then i'd say center it in the title-element | 10:13 |
| knome | in both | 10:13 |
| ochosi | in xfwm4 it is centered in the title element already | 10:14 |
| knome | i know | 10:14 |
| ochosi | i guess in metacity it was set-up like this because i didn't originally write the theme myself | 10:14 |
| knome | yeah | 10:14 |
| ochosi | knome: the release notes look fine from my pov | 10:29 |
| knome | ochosi, yeah, they should | 10:29 |
| knome | ochosi, what's your schedule today? | 10:51 |
| knome | pleia2, you too ^ ? | 10:51 |
| ochosi | lunch > now :) | 10:51 |
| ochosi | then i'll have to grade papers from a course i gave this semester | 10:51 |
| ochosi | i'll probably be back sometime in the afternoon, then i'll be away again from 6-9pm | 10:51 |
| knome | mmh | 10:51 |
| ochosi | not sure i'll return today | 10:51 |
| ochosi | why? | 10:51 |
| knome | okay well | 10:51 |
| knome | if i'm not here when ubuntu is released | 10:51 |
| knome | may i give you short instructions what to do | 10:52 |
| knome | create a file named released.txt | 10:52 |
| knome | in the file, type released | 10:52 |
| knome | then upload it as attachment to the "12.04 is released" article | 10:52 |
| knome | and the countdown banners should say "download it now" | 10:52 |
| ochosi | a-ha | 10:52 |
| ochosi | sounds complicated ;) | 10:52 |
| knome | yeah, really! | 10:52 |
| ochosi | hehe | 10:53 |
| ochosi | ok, and then publish the article? | 10:53 |
| knome | yeah | 10:53 |
| ochosi | ok | 10:53 |
| ochosi | if i'm around i can do it | 10:53 |
| knome | yeah | 10:53 |
| knome | for the Q cycle | 10:53 |
| knome | i will do a simple site with basic_auth | 10:53 |
| knome | to set the release date and name | 10:53 |
| knome | and to change the "released" bit | 10:53 |
| knome | so we don't need to fall back on IS, or wordpress | 10:54 |
| knome | (we did both today) | 10:54 |
| ochosi | mhm | 10:55 |
| ochosi | lunch -> | 10:55 |
| knome | bon appetit | 10:55 |
| * knome bbl | 10:59 | |
| madnick | I bought awesome food this morning, but I forgot the main ingredient :( | 11:10 |
| madnick | oh, this is not -offtopic, sorry heh | 11:11 |
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| ochosi | ubuntu has reportedly been released, what about us? | 12:19 |
| davmor2 | ochosi: Xubuntu is listed in the release notice | 12:20 |
| PopeJob | but the link is dead | 12:20 |
| PopeJob | http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release | 12:20 |
| ochosi | bbl | 12:23 |
| Shayan | hi' | 13:02 |
| Shayan | anyone here? | 13:02 |
| astraljava | Yes. | 13:07 |
| * pleia2 rubs eyes | 13:10 | |
| Shayan | sorry didn't see you there | 13:11 |
| pleia2 | ok, now to figure out where he put the info | 13:11 |
| Shayan | ok so i wanted to know that what programming language is xubuntu made in? | 13:11 |
| Shayan | and when is it coming out | 13:11 |
| Shayan | HELLO? | 13:13 |
| astraljava | Xubuntu is a compilation of various packages. Each application could be programmed in a different language. I suggest you read more into how distributions are compiled. It's going to be out during today, Thursday 26th of April. Also, please have a little more patiance. | 13:15 |
| astraljava | patience* | 13:15 |
| pleia2 | it's out | 13:16 |
| pleia2 | http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ | 13:16 |
| pleia2 | came out about an hour ago :) | 13:16 |
| pleia2 | not sure why our front page isn't updating, and I uploaded the released.txt like knome said | 13:17 |
| Pjotr | Hello, I'm eager for Xubuntu 12.04. Hasn't it been released yet? | 13:18 |
| pleia2 | ...and now our site is down (but so is ubuntu.com) | 13:20 |
| pleia2 | Pjotr: release day is always crazy, it was released an hour ago but mirrors and things haven't finished updating | 13:21 |
| Shayan | i am so happy now i can leave this *BEEP* windows | 13:21 |
| pleia2 | Shayan: this isn't the place for that | 13:22 |
| Pjotr | pleia2: OK.... do you have a link to a working mirror for me? | 13:22 |
| pleia2 | Pjotr: no, sorry | 13:22 |
| Shayan | sorry i promise i wont do that again | 13:22 |
| pleia2 | ubuntu.com isn't even loading for me at the moment ;) | 13:22 |
| Shayan | please don't ban me | 13:22 |
| Shayan | me niether | 13:22 |
| astraljava | knome: Who do we have with ops on #xubuntu? I'm getting real tired of the cruft there. | 13:30 |
| pleia2 | astraljava: /msg chanserv access #xubuntu list | 13:31 |
| astraljava | Ahh thanks. | 13:31 |
| Shayan | where do i download xubuntu it isn't available a GET XUBUNTU | 13:34 |
| pleia2 | Shayan: please be patient | 13:35 |
| Shayan | i am trying to figure it out | 13:35 |
| Shayan | i found it | 13:35 |
| Shayan | here you go | 13:35 |
| Shayan | http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/ | 13:35 |
| pleia2 | the mirrors haven't all synced, we don't have a full listing to update the download page with | 13:35 |
| Shayan | oh | 13:37 |
| pleia2 | ok, I updated /getxubuntu with a note so hopefully people will calm down | 13:38 |
| Shayan | ok | 13:38 |
| Shayan | who are you and how do you have the acces to the website | 13:39 |
| Shayan | ??? | 13:39 |
| pleia2 | Shayan: I'm the team website lead | 13:40 |
| astraljava | Shayan: Have you noticed that you're on -devel channel? It's likely that people who develop the project hang out in here. | 13:40 |
| pleia2 | you're in the development channel | 13:40 |
| Shayan | i know i just wanted to join and check it out | 13:40 |
| Shayan | i also joined the mailing list | 13:40 |
| Shayan | i am a huge GNU/Linux fan | 13:41 |
| Shayan | how can i help? | 13:43 |
| Shayan | and is Python involved | 13:43 |
| madnick | Shayan: Hi | 13:44 |
| madnick | Testing is always welcome, and Python is involved, but I am not sure about anything that needs attention that is written in Python | 13:44 |
| madnick | atm anyway | 13:44 |
| pleia2 | ok http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ is starting to populate properly | 13:44 |
| Shayan | ok | 13:45 |
| Shayan | thanks | 13:45 |
| Shayan | thanks | 13:45 |
| Shayan | now please update the Get Xubuntu Page So others can download | 13:45 |
| pleia2 | Shayan: please be patient, the mirrors haven't finished syncing and not all the images are up yet | 13:46 |
| Shayan | ok | 13:46 |
| Shayan | and what about the torrents? | 13:47 |
| Shayan | I am very impatient LOL | 13:47 |
| * madnick is on old images | 13:48 | |
| pleia2 | sigh, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ is empty again :\ | 13:50 |
| pleia2 | I don't know how the magic behind this iso generation all happens | 13:50 |
| Shayan | WHAT ABOUT THE TORRENTS??????? | 13:53 |
| pleia2 | Shayan: please stop :( | 13:53 |
| Shayan | sorry | 13:53 |
| pleia2 | yelling at us won't make it happen faster, you're just being mean | 13:53 |
| Shayan | ok | 13:54 |
| Shayan | what about torrents*sad face* i will never type in capital letters again | 13:55 |
| pleia2 | asking over and over again won't help either | 13:55 |
| pleia2 | stop it | 13:55 |
| Shayan | ok sorry | 13:55 |
| Shayan | i won't ask again | 13:55 |
| astraljava | Well, that topic is not development-related at all, so please join #xubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-release-party for anxious release queries. | 13:57 |
| pleia2 | knome: I put a note on http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ for now while we wait for everything to get settled image and mirror-wise, and the released.txt didn't seem to work (or the server is full of wonky caching) | 14:10 |
| pleia2 | I need to go get another hour of sleep, long work day today + release party tonight | 14:11 |
| pleia2 | (sorry astraljava, hate to leave you) | 14:11 |
| astraljava | pleia2: It's alright, someone's gotta play the shepherd. :) | 14:11 |
| * pleia2 hugs | 14:11 | |
| astraljava | But I'm going to be gone soon anyway. :D | 14:11 |
| astraljava | At least for a while. | 14:11 |
| pleia2 | hopefully knome will come back soon :) | 14:11 |
| astraljava | He's on much-needed vacation. *smirk* | 14:13 |
| knome | pleia2, the frontpage used a static link. i fixed the page, but it seems there definitely is some caching going on | 14:58 |
| knome | ah, the cache was refreshed :) | 15:08 |
| baizon | well done guys. Thank you for your hard work :) | 15:14 |
| knome | thanks | 15:14 |
| * knome is away again, when the mirrors seem to be (mostly) working, can somebody update the download page finally? thanks | 15:25 | |
| knome | astraljava, just added you to -website, you are able to edit pages too. | 15:26 |
| astraljava | That's good and all, but I wouldn't know how... *grin* | 15:38 |
| astraljava | knome: Could you now change /topic to point to the download page? Also if there's a quick info command for the bot, that'd rule. We're getting hammered on the support chan. | 15:41 |
| pleia2 | browsing mirrors now to update the site | 15:48 |
| astraljava | Yeah that will help as well, thanks! | 15:48 |
| astraljava | Ahh... he's gone again. | 15:49 |
| GridCube | :) lottawork in here it seems | 15:49 |
| GridCube | keep the woodworks | 15:49 |
| astraljava | I think we need to ask permissions for a bigger dev crowd, it's times like these when the current system "breaks". :) | 15:50 |
| astraljava | pleia2: Feel free to give me a brief lesson for updating the site, I'm in the group now. | 15:50 |
| pjotr | Hello, I'm getting some complaints on the Dutch Ubuntu forum, about the Xubuntu website | 16:00 |
| pjotr | They want to download Xubuntu 12.04, and can't from the get page:http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ | 16:01 |
| pjotr | I propose an 'intermediate' solution: please remove all references to 11.10 and 10.04, and place a link to the cdimage server: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ | 16:01 |
| pjotr | What do you think? | 16:02 |
| Supp3rMario | I belive they are still syncing mirrors... | 16:02 |
| pjotr | Yes, so I propose an intermediate temporary solution... | 16:02 |
| astraljava | pjotr: Yes, thank you. The situation is under review, so some action will be taken soon. | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | pjotr: it's been updated with the current mirrors, people are probably just being stuck in the cache | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | if they are still getting the page with 11.10 and 10.04 it does have a note at the top explaining "Note: Xubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) images are currently syncing to mirrors, we will update when they are available." | 16:06 |
| pleia2 | unfortunately due to the load IS has had to take advantage of pretty heavy caching, so it may take a few minutes to show up | 16:07 |
| pjotr | OK, I suppose it's more a matter of minutes than hours then, before it'll be allright. :-) | 16:07 |
| pleia2 | I assure you, we've been working hard for a few hours to get this all sorted | 16:08 |
| pleia2 | it took a while for the images to become largely available at all, and we've had some hard downtime | 16:08 |
| pjotr | I know you guys work hard.... And you made the best Xubuntu yet! 12.04 is really a winner. | 16:10 |
| astraljava | Thanks, the devs will appreciate that! :) | 16:10 |
| pleia2 | sweet, I misspelled pangolin on the download page | 16:11 |
| * pleia2 fixes | 16:11 | |
| GridCube | pagnolin? sarahpalin? | 16:11 |
| pleia2 | Pangloin :P | 16:12 |
| pleia2 | I'm tired :) | 16:12 |
| astraljava | What?! It's only morning there. :D | 16:12 |
| GridCube | :P rest | 16:12 |
| pleia2 | I got up at 6AM, took a nap between 7:30 and 8:30, now back :D | 16:12 |
| pjotr | Well, the nicknames of Ubuntu are notorious. :P Have a couple of beers on me, and relax. You well deserve your recreation. :-) | 16:13 |
| pleia2 | the release party here isn't for another 10 hours, I'll have a beer then :) | 16:14 |
| astraljava | pleia2: Damn, he left? I'd love to have a few brewskies on someone else, too. :D | 16:17 |
| pleia2 | lol | 16:17 |
| knome | !12.04 | 16:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1204 | 16:19 |
| knome | !-precise | 16:20 |
| ubottu | precise aliases: pangolin, 12.04 - added by Pici on 2011-10-05 19:38:43 - last edited by Pici on 2012-04-26 12:25:30 | 16:20 |
| knome | !-12.04 | 16:20 |
| ubottu | 12.04 is <alias> precise - added by Pici on 2011-10-05 19:39:09 - last edited by Pici on 2012-04-26 12:24:43 | 16:20 |
| knome | yeah.. | 16:20 |
| pleia2 | knome: btw, twitter only sends you email when someone you're following mentions/replies to you, and we don't follow anyone | 16:21 |
| knome | ah | 16:22 |
| knome | right | 16:22 |
| pleia2 | I don't think it should be like this, but twitter kind of sucks :\ | 16:22 |
| knome | well, mentions would be good | 16:22 |
| pleia2 | (in the preferences it doesn't seem like this would be the case) | 16:22 |
| knome | wouldn't have to check via web | 16:22 |
| pleia2 | but I only get emails when people follow us | 16:22 |
| knome | twitter had rss feeds until recently | 16:22 |
| knome | but the disabled them | 16:22 |
| knome | *they | 16:22 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 16:22 |
| pleia2 | btw, we don't have 64-bit torrents | 16:22 |
| knome | ouch. | 16:23 |
| knome | reason? | 16:23 |
| pleia2 | I don't know | 16:23 |
| pleia2 | http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/ | 16:23 |
| knome | asked at -release | 16:23 |
| pleia2 | hmm, I guess we have them on our regular download page but not on torrent.ubuntu | 16:24 |
| knome | weird | 16:24 |
| knome | pleia2, maybe join -release for coordination :) | 16:24 |
| astraljava | Hmm? I see them, and it appears to offer downloading them. | 16:25 |
| GridCube | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ | 16:25 |
| GridCube | they are there :/ | 16:25 |
| pleia2 | GridCube: yeah, as I said, they aren't on torrent.ubuntu.com (the link we give people who want the torrents) | 16:25 |
| astraljava | Ahh... so just missing from the torrent.u.c? Nice. | 16:25 |
| knome | there seems to be some heavy caching, but i update the "released" post on the website to link to the download page as well as the complete release notes at the ubuntu wiki | 16:27 |
| knome | probably up in ten or so mins | 16:28 |
| knome | trying to reply to people who have problems in twitter, but answer in a general way to give insight to others too | 16:31 |
| pleia2 | thanks knome | 16:33 |
| knome | np | 16:33 |
| pleia2 | btw, another "feature" of twitter is if you're not following someone who is replied to, it won't show up in your feed | 16:35 |
| pleia2 | so only people looking directly at the xubuntulinux page will see your replies to random people they don't follow | 16:35 |
| knome | yeah. | 16:35 |
| knome | that's not too bad really | 16:35 |
| pleia2 | it used to be an option to turn on/off | 16:35 |
| knome | well, it's rather bad, but not horrible | 16:35 |
| knome | the caching is really heavy today | 16:37 |
| pleia2 | yeah :\ | 16:37 |
| pleia2 | woo, one more mirror up | 16:40 |
| knome | hihi | 16:41 |
| knome | ah, finally | 16:43 |
| knome | http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ is updated! | 16:43 |
| pleia2 | :) | 16:47 |
| knome | bleh, yeah, seems like the amd64 torrents do not work :( | 16:48 |
| knome | actually, the work, but throw an error nevertheless | 16:54 |
| pleia2 | ah | 16:54 |
| knome | i seem to be able to download and upload too | 16:55 |
| pleia2 | this is a lousy time zone to help with a release in :) | 17:10 |
| knome | how so? | 17:10 |
| pleia2 | it was released at 5AM! | 17:10 |
| knome | hehe | 17:11 |
| astraljava | Hah! | 17:11 |
| knome | well, aren't you still up at that time? | 17:11 |
| astraljava | pleia2: Wanna switch? | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | knome: nah, I got to bed at 1 in anticipation of getting up early ;) | 17:11 |
| knome | ;) | 17:11 |
| * knome slept long without worrying too much anyway | 17:11 | |
| knome | things either work or not | 17:11 |
| * astraljava also slept like 3 hours, but mostly due to Caps @ Bruins game. And we lost... | 17:12 | |
| pleia2 | astraljava: doh :) | 17:12 |
| knome | ^ and that's not because i don't care about QA, that's just because that's it | 17:12 |
| knome | astraljava, so what are you doing on friday? | 17:12 |
| pleia2 | I miss the east coast time zone, I didn't realize the world revolved around New York until after I moved ;) | 17:12 |
| astraljava | knome: No, you don't care about QA cause you have me! :D | 17:12 |
| knome | astraljava, i mean, tomorrow:) | 17:12 |
| knome | astraljava, well that too, but that's different to this issue ;) | 17:12 |
| astraljava | knome: Probably trying to organize the moving, and I fear I also have to sit in a completely pointless business meeting with an aussie and his friend... *grin* | 17:13 |
| knome | hahah | 17:14 |
| knome | congrats :P | 17:14 |
| knome | sounds boring. | 17:14 |
| astraljava | I'm yawning already. | 17:15 |
| knome | yeah. | 17:15 |
| knome | i can imagine. | 17:15 |
| astraljava | But two weeks from that, we need to come up with something cool. | 17:15 |
| astraljava | I'll be totally exhausted, though. But still. | 17:15 |
| knome | haha :) | 17:16 |
| knome | maybe try to set up some kind of FOSS meeting? | 17:16 |
| knome | i was thinking of registering commit.fi, but that was taken by some healthcare solutions company | 17:17 |
| astraljava | Yeah, something like that. | 17:17 |
| knome | i'd love a homer server somewhere tied to a domain. | 17:18 |
| knome | i mean, with ssh/website capabilities | 17:18 |
| knome | some kind of collaborative effort to achieve something | 17:18 |
| knome | world peace or sth. | 17:18 |
| knome | if it can be reliable, and with a decent internet connection, why not for irc clients too. | 17:19 |
| knome | i mean, with an i-line to a few networks... | 17:19 |
| astraljava | I have dyndns setup for one machine, we could utilize that. | 17:20 |
| knome | dyndns :| | 17:20 |
| astraljava | Of course the machine is not connected now. | 17:20 |
| knome | well yeah. | 17:20 |
| astraljava | Well, it's better than nothing, for starters. | 17:21 |
| knome | i was thinking of something that is as stable as kapsi | 17:21 |
| astraljava | It can be used for testing and development. | 17:21 |
| astraljava | Well of course. | 17:21 |
| astraljava | But at first stages. | 17:21 |
| knome | (i know i've learnt to like 'too good') | 17:21 |
| astraljava | I don't think the dyndns is too unstable, though. | 17:21 |
| astraljava | It's a beefy 100/10 line. | 17:21 |
| knome | well of course you can point domains there too. | 17:21 |
| astraljava | But of course they'll take it down if we really start to utilize it much. | 17:22 |
| knome | especially non fi-domains, since joker offers dns servers | 17:22 |
| knome | yes, of course. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | Yeah. | 17:22 |
| knome | that's the problem :D | 17:22 |
| astraljava | But in all fairness, I'd only really use it during development. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | I am not interested in setting up reliable hosting in my apartment. | 17:23 |
| knome | i can't think of any case where i'd need any other server than what launchpad and github can offer me | 17:23 |
| knome | except some private repositories, but on the other hand, i don't want them to be visible to others anyway | 17:23 |
| astraljava | Yeah, and virtual hosting is so easy these days. | 17:23 |
| knome | yeah. | 17:23 |
| pleia2 | knome: btw, if you want to get the following emails for twitter I can forward them to you (I already filter them, easy enough to add a forward address too) | 17:26 |
| pleia2 | we got like 25 followers today :) | 17:27 |
| knome | yeah, a good bunch. | 17:31 |
| knome | we hit 500 three days ago | 17:31 |
| astraljava | knome: support question on support channel, and one that I'm interested about, too. So please answer. :) | 17:33 |
| knome | heh | 17:33 |
| knome | amd64 torrents are at torrent.ubuntu.com now too. | 17:38 |
| knome | and at least i didn't get any errors now | 17:38 |
| knome | pleia2, want to write a "it's out" mail to xubuntu-users ? :) | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | sure | 17:41 |
| knome | thanks | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | linked up http://xubuntu.org/press/precise/ (I created the page last night) | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | added the first link to it! | 17:41 |
| knome | i think forwarding the mail from ubuntu-announce with a small message is fine i think | 17:41 |
| knome | oh, i have an another | 17:41 |
| knome | from twitter | 17:41 |
| knome | http://www.smdavis.us/2012/04/26/xubuntu-12-04-released/ | 17:42 |
| knome | i'll update | 17:42 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 17:42 |
| knome | warning! a princess is editing the page | 17:42 |
| pleia2 | sorry, out | 17:43 |
| knome | hehe | 17:43 |
| knome | np ;) | 17:43 |
| knome | updated | 17:44 |
| knome | hoho, seems like there was no cache or the caching is tuned down a bit | 17:44 |
| knome | the torrents seem to be fully operating now | 17:46 |
| knome | i double-checked, and torrent.ubuntu.com have all the .torrent and .iso files | 17:47 |
| * knome is seeding all the images, amd64 images are 100% finished, others 92% and 35% | 17:48 | |
| knome | (i have least of the i386 desktop, and i suppose that's good because it probably has the best seeding anyway) | 17:48 |
| knome | at least most peers | 17:48 |
| knome | by far | 17:48 |
| knome | alternate amd64 has 8 peers :D | 17:49 |
| knome | alternate i386 done! | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | working on the post to -users but my boss keeps wanting me to do work | 17:52 |
| knome | awwh, crap | 17:52 |
| pleia2 | knome: on 10.04 will the update manager let them know they can upgrade? | 17:56 |
| pleia2 | oh wait, I have a 10.04 system | 17:56 |
| * pleia2 goes to check | 17:57 | |
| knome | pleia2, according to -release, not before .1 | 17:57 |
| knome | pleia2, withtout -d | 17:57 |
| * knome is now seeding all images | 18:02 | |
| pleia2 | knome: yeah, I saw the do-release-upgrade -d thing, wasn't sure if the update manager would pop up a thing saying "12.04 is here!" | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | like it does on 11.10 | 18:06 |
| knome | pleia2, no, it won't until .1 | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | gotcha | 18:06 |
| knome | but i can't personally confirm that | 18:07 |
| knome | if you can, i can tweet that | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | that's too many words, I won't mention 10.04 in the -users announcement | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | if someone asks I'll think about it then ;) | 18:07 |
| knome | i can try to tweet that if you think it's useful ;) | 18:08 |
| knome | Upgraders from 10.04 to 12.04: Please use 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d', notification for the distribution upgrade won't pop up until 12.04.1 | 18:09 |
| knome | that's exactly the tweet length | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | perfect! | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | and I already hit send | 18:09 |
| knome | want me to tweet that? ;) | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | everything is too slow for me to do tests of this stuff yet | 18:09 |
| knome | done | 18:09 |
| knome | mmh | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | half my downloads are failing, it's just annoying | 18:09 |
| knome | yeah | 18:09 |
| astraljava | knome: Oh yes it does, from 11.10. From 10.04, it needs the -d switch. | 18:10 |
| knome | astraljava, yes | 18:10 |
| knome | astraljava, that's why the tweet says "Upgraders from 10.04 to 12.04" | 18:10 |
| astraljava | Oh sorry, missed a few lines. | 18:10 |
| knome | np | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | ok, replied to my own email with that line | 18:11 |
| knome | hihi | 18:11 |
| astraljava | So we're actively encouraging the LTS-to-LTS upgrade? | 18:15 |
| astraljava | ...before the first point release? | 18:15 |
| pleia2 | I don't know about "actively encouraging" but it is technically is a supported option and we should let people know how to do it if they want | 18:15 |
| knome | no, we are not | 18:15 |
| knome | yeah | 18:15 |
| knome | many people do want to do that | 18:16 |
| * pleia2 will wait for .1 ;) | 18:17 | |
| astraljava | Yeah well, elaborating on the issue sounds like that to me. :) | 18:18 |
| astraljava | But ok, I am just preparing myself for the myriad of issues bound to that procedure. :) | 18:19 |
| knome | heh | 18:19 |
| knome | astraljava, https://twitter.com/#!/XubuntuLinux/status/195578269108674561 | 18:21 |
| knome | " ¡Yo ya bajé xubuntu 12.04 x torrent! Ahora estoy compartiendo... ¿vos que estás esperando para bajarlo? " | 18:21 |
| knome | ^ ideas what that means? ;) | 18:22 |
| astraljava | Oh yeah, I speak esperanto fluently. | 18:23 |
| knome | heh | 18:38 |
| knome | i knew it! | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | 17 twitter followers in the past hour, we're over 600 :) | 18:51 |
| knome | yeah :) | 18:51 |
| * knome has the "connect" page open in firefox too | 18:51 | |
| knome | along with transmission and irc | 18:52 |
| pleia2 | we have ruined you | 18:52 |
| knome | yeah :( | 18:52 |
| knome | i've thought of starting to tweet personally too | 18:52 |
| * astraljava hangs head in shame | 18:52 | |
| astraljava | Look at what they've done to you, man! | 18:52 |
| knome | but i figured out most of the tweets i'd send is about xubuntu anyway, so no reason to. | 18:52 |
| astraljava | PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER! | 18:53 |
| knome | pleia2, why does twitter.com say 589 followers? :( | 18:54 |
| knome | and on some pages, 594 | 18:54 |
| knome | *584 | 18:54 |
| knome | caching?:< | 18:54 |
| pleia2 | I dunno, it tells me 612 | 18:54 |
| knome | weird | 18:54 |
| knome | ah, did a hard refresh and there it is, 612 | 18:55 |
| knome | off for a walk, bbl | 19:24 |
| Unit193 | jono: I think you have a connection issue, or I'm having a screen issue. | 21:04 |
| jono | Unit193, I am on a plane, connection keeps dropping | 21:04 |
| Unit193 | Heh, that'd do it. | 21:05 |
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