[01:25] <astraljava> Ehh... after a while, I just saw the all-gray terminal of Xubuntu.
[01:25] <astraljava> ;)
[01:25] <GridCube> :P
[01:25] <GridCube> its awesome
[01:26] <GridCube> you open it and go... oooooh
[01:28] <astraljava> oooohh... where did all the colors go from my monitor?!
[01:29] <GridCube> :P no, more like oooooh... thats nice!
[01:30] <GridCube> i have made all the interfaces i can "all grey"
[01:30] <astraljava> I use gray too, but lots of shades of it. :)
[01:34] <GridCube> astraljava, http://imagebin.org/209761
[01:34] <GridCube> :P
[01:35] <astraljava> Well that really is quite... gray.
[01:35] <GridCube> C:
[01:39] <pleia2> knome: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/precise/ the precise_ images are for our screenshots page which we should publish soon, the x.png files are numbered similiarly but are shrunk versions of the precise_ ones for the front page
[01:39] <pleia2> or whatever you want to do :)
[01:41] <pleia2> ah, I see what the person was saying about the website lying, the last page of our countdown banner is showing which says "Download Xubuntu 12.04 now!"
[01:42] <pleia2> er "being silly"
[01:42] <astraljava> Well, it's not strictly lying, it's not saying 12.04 Final. :D
[01:42] <pleia2> hehe
[01:42] <Unit193> Ah, I see.
[01:50] <pleia2> ok, I snagged a screenshot for http://xubuntu.org/help/
[01:50] <pleia2> I think then we'll have http://xubuntu.org/tour/ to do
[01:50] <pleia2> and we should put together some new FAQ
[01:50] <pleia2> (same 10, review answers?)
[01:50] <GridCube> probably
[01:50] <GridCube> we have a few new ones
[01:51] <pleia2> good
[01:51] <GridCube> mostly samba shares, use gigolo
[01:51] <pleia2> cool
[01:54] <pleia2> ok, uploaded http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/precise/open_xchat-p.png for /help
[02:00] <GridCube> i found the other thing that had to go to faq and was the resize thing, but ochosi already did an awesome faq for it
[02:01] <GridCube> another thing we could add is the anoying thunar issue, the workaround works pretty well
[02:54] <GridCube> mmm
[02:55] <GridCube> everytime i plug the headphones a crash report pops up indicating blueman crashed
[02:56] <GridCube> but i dont have bluthooth stuff
[02:56] <GridCube> blueman-applet
[02:57] <micahg> GridCube: please file a bug
[02:58] <GridCube> i get a "know issue" from the crash reports handler and nothing more
[02:58] <GridCube> not even a link to the known isue isue
[03:07] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/988656
[03:08] <Unit193> GridCube: There should be a button for "Details"
[03:09] <GridCube> Unit193, yes, thats how i know its the blueman-applet
[03:09] <Unit193> It gave me the bug number when I did it, but it was one digit off. :P
[03:10] <GridCube> its funny how consistent it is :P
[03:18] <micahg> he filed 2 bugs
[03:21] <Unit193> Really weird...
[03:23] <Unit193> "appending screenshot of the report and a dump of lshw. please inform me if you need extra information" That's the addition, you think he may have hit the back button?
[07:40] <knome> damn, my intelligent script didn't work then ;)
[07:41] <Unit193> s/ent/ence/
[07:41] <knome> nope, it's not an intelligence script :P
[07:45] <knome> i just updated the frontpage to at least serve the "soon" image
[07:50] <astraljava> It's a script, please don't think it's intelligent.
[07:50] <astraljava> Right, Unit193?
[07:51] <Unit193> astraljava: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:51] <astraljava> See?
[08:20] <knome> \o/
[08:20] <knome> the slideshow script is working as expected
[08:26] <knome> pleia2, thanks for the screenshots. they are up! 
[08:28] <knome> okay, the countdown banners should now say "soon" !! \o/
[08:29] <ochosi> hi everyone
[08:30] <astraljava> o/
[08:31] <ochosi> hehe, clever hiding abiword behind gnumeric in the slideshow :p
[08:33] <knome> release notes at xubuntu.org are in line with the ones in the wiki
[08:33] <knome> IF YOU DO ANY CHANGES, please make sure it's going in both.
[08:35] <ochosi> haven't taken a look at the release notes yet
[08:36] <knome> awwh!
[08:36] <knome> why you little...!
[08:36] <ochosi> but i guess i can say everytime: with $release, artwork has improved a lot, the look is more polished and everything's perrty!
[08:36] <knome> hehe
[08:37] <ochosi> and anyway, i spent more energy on trying to blog stuff lately
[08:37] <ochosi> which reminds me, what do you think of showing the post-author?
[08:38] <ochosi> (i'm looking at the release-notes now, but really, i don't think there's anything for me to add)
[08:40] <knome> author worksforme
[08:40] <ochosi> the question is whether it'll also be visible on the planet (where most of our readers are probably)
[08:42] <knome> nope.
[08:42] <knome> until you either type it in the post
[08:42] <knome> or add a plugin which does that for you
[08:43] <ochosi> hmm
[08:43] <knome> something like "The author of this post is Simon Steinbeiß who is the Xubuntu Artwork Lead. In addition to Xubuntu, he works extensively on the Shimmer Project and Xfce. ..."
[08:43] <ochosi> yeah, something like that would be useful
[08:44] <ochosi> i guess something like a custom field or a tag could work?
[08:44] <knome> mmh, those aren't pulled to planet
[08:44] <ochosi> mkay
[08:44] <knome> that's why it needs to be technically *in the post*
[08:45] <ochosi> yeah, i see
[08:45] <ochosi> well i can add my "signature" to all my posts by hand...
[08:45] <knome> yeah
[08:45] <ochosi> or we make a signature-plugin
[08:45] <ochosi> and add a field to the profile
[08:45] <knome> we could definitely write one
[08:45] <ochosi> i mean the user-profile
[08:45] <knome> yep
[08:46] <knome> and you could even show that in the post page
[08:46] <knome> and if you wanted, you could edit that per-post
[08:46] <knome> say, you wanted to tell you just got a new puppy
[08:46] <ochosi> yeah, but the simple way of auto-adding the signature to the post would be sufficient imo
[08:47] <ochosi> in fact it would only have to autoadd --sig to every new post you create. so you could edit it by hand anyway
[08:47] <knome> mmh.
[08:47] <knome> yeah
[08:47] <knome> that would work probably
[08:48] <ochosi> if i add that now to my posts, will that re-feed them to the planet?
[08:48] <knome> it shouldn't, since we switched back to the better rss2 feed
[08:48] <knome> (rather than atom, which refeeded because there was only one date-field)
[08:48] <knome> try with the newest post first
[08:49] <ochosi> ok
[08:49] <ochosi> (whoa, being able to work with wordpress instead of drupal is such a blessing...)
[08:51] <knome> yup.
[08:51] <ochosi> ok, i added a signature now
[08:51] <knome> you *could* do such things in drupal, but it would be a world war every time ;)
[08:52] <ochosi> i guess for the style of it, italic font is fine?
[08:52] <ochosi> well even just the user-interface of wordpress is solid gold
[08:53] <knome> yeah, italic
[08:53] <knome> true
[08:54] <knome> it would be cool to integrate the author gravatar to the sig too.
[08:54] <ochosi> good idea
[08:54] <knome> and maybe style it that it stands out a bit more
[08:54] <knome> but that's for later
[08:54] <ochosi> yes, a box or something
[08:54] <knome> maybe not a box box, but yeah
[08:54] <ochosi> doesn't seem like the planet got updated
[08:55] <ochosi> i mean the post is still old there
[08:55] <knome> yeah, shouldn't have
[08:55] <knome> but the planet updates like every 10mins
[08:55] <ochosi> ok
[08:55] <knome> so maybe wait for 15
[08:55] <ochosi> yup
[08:55] <ochosi> yesterday night i had a few ideas for 12.10
[08:55] <knome> hehe
[08:55] <knome> did you add them to the roadmap?
[08:56] <ochosi> no, i'll tell you first and then you'll tell me that's bs :)
[08:56] <knome> haha
[08:56] <knome> k
[08:56] <knome> well, the community should decide that, but... ;)
[08:56] <ochosi> 1) replace the menu by fullscreen appfinder with dark style (kinda like the gnome-shell activities launcher)
[08:57] <ochosi> 2) write a small programm that displays our keyboard-shortcuts when holding the super-key (like in ubuntu atm, i think that's a valuable thing)
[08:57] <knome> 1) possible, but that will need extensive testing and we should still provide the menu as an alternative 
[08:57] <knome> 2) yeah, but who's gonna write that? ;)
[08:57] <ochosi> i dunno, it doesn't sound very hard
[08:57] <ochosi> and i think i know someone who might do that
[08:58] <knome> yeah, it's probably rather trivial, but still somebody should do that
[08:58] <ochosi> i recently contacted sean davis (the guy who submitted so many bugreports for P on LP)
[08:58] <ochosi> he does simple pygtk apps from what i saw on g+
[08:58] <knome> ah
[08:58] <ochosi> i'll ask him about it
[08:58] <knome> k
[08:59] <ochosi> (he already said he wants to contribute in Q via email)
[08:59] <madnick> To me, an app such as that sounds like, what I often call "X Hell"
[08:59] <ochosi> madnick: why's that?
[08:59] <madnick> But I'm not sure what you mean. But I suspect you mean something global
[08:59] <knome> stochastic, hai
[08:59] <madnick> Xlib, or if you are lucky, some VM tricks
[09:00] <stochastic> knome, hi
[09:00] <madnick> WM*
[09:00] <ochosi> madnick: i have no clue how ubuntu did it, i'd just fork whatever they did for the holding-superkey implementation
[09:00] <knome> what if that was just a keybind that ran a script that printed a notify-box? :P
[09:00] <knome> stochastic, did you know you're join/quit/joining?
[09:00] <knome> 11:59 » stochastic [~stochasti@d207-81-38-154.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #xubuntu-devel
[09:00] <madnick> knome: cloak
[09:00] <knome> 11:59 » stochastic [~stochasti@d207-81-38-154.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host]
[09:00] <knome> 11:59 » stochastic [~stochasti@pdpc/supporter/bronze/stochastic] has joined #xubuntu-devel
[09:00] <ochosi> knome: yes, but then it would have to be a more complex keybinding than "hold super-key for 5sec)
[09:00] <knome> madnick, yes, but that's avoidable...
[09:00] <knome> stochastic, try setting your nickserv pass as the server password :)
[09:01] <ochosi> knome: i like the fact that you're our irc evangelist :)
[09:01] <Unit193> knome: Trying to set them all right? I like that.
[09:01] <stochastic> knome, this was just now?  I'll check into that.
[09:01] <knome> ochosi, maybe, unless the keybind was super, and the script sleeped for 5secs and checked if super was still pressed ;)
[09:02] <knome> ochosi, but yeah, i can see a bumpy road that way...
[09:02] <ochosi> knome: yeah, possibly, i'll try to investigate that a bit (if we really want it)
[09:02] <knome> Unit193, well, when i have time to notice the users, i will ;)
[09:03] <knome> Unit193, especially in -devel, since i want as short logs as possible
[09:06] <astraljava> knome: While I do understand the policy of telling them the release is at the end of 26th, UTC, I also don't like misleading them.
[09:06] <knome> astraljava, what do you suggest then
[09:06] <Unit193> Says "By the end"
[09:07] <astraljava> Telling that it'll be released somtime during the 26th UTC.
[09:07] <knome> right
[09:07] <knome> yes
[09:07] <knome> that's a subtle difference :)
[09:07] <knome> happy?
[09:07] <Unit193> But, mien is more technically correct.
[09:08] <knome> Unit193, actually not
[09:08] <knome> at least not more correct
[09:08] <knome> but might be misunderstood to say it's released at the end
[09:08] <astraljava> Cause my current understanding is that it's not that long anymore, so people will get pi*... angry if they find out it's been out for several hours already, thus rendering them useless in clogging Canonical's pipes.
[09:08] <Unit193> Now I have to reset the alias.....
[09:08] <knome> oh my :)
[09:09] <knome> astraljava, hehe
[09:10] <ochosi> knome: ok, the planet shows the post correctly now
[09:10] <knome> ochosi, good
[09:10] <ochosi> i'll add the signature to the resize-window post as well for consistency
[09:11] <ochosi> knome: i think the least we should do now is add a signature-css
[09:12] <knome> ochosi, site-update-wise, that's as "hard" as just writing the plugin and pushing that :)
[09:12] <ochosi> oh, i forgot about that...
[09:12] <knome> hehe :)
[09:13] <knome> if we had ssh access to the server, that would probably be in already
[09:13] <knome> you can add inline css yourself though
[09:13] <knome> just edit in the html mode
[09:13] <knome> <p style="css: here;">text</p>
[09:13] <ochosi> hmyeah, of course
[09:14] <ochosi> but then we'd have to settle on a css style first ;)
[09:14] <ochosi> interesting, gthumb 3.0 is out
[09:14] <knome> well, once we push the css/plugin, we will need to fix those paragraphs anyway
[09:14] <knome> so it doesn't matter if you added something that isn't final
[09:14] <ochosi> mhm
[09:53] <ochosi> knome: sry, don't have time (and creativity) to think of a nice signature-css-style now, if you have ideas feel free to make it
[09:53] <knome> ochosi, i will think of that some time later
[09:53] <knome> whether that was with the plugin code or just css ;)
[09:54] <ochosi> yup
[09:54] <knome> ablomen, merge request accepted, added you to credits :)
[09:54] <knome> ablomen, thanks!
[10:04] <ablomen> knome, Cool, no problem! I'll go over the other javascript code in the coming days whenever I'm bored at work :)
[10:04] <knome> ablomen, great :)
[10:04] <ochosi> knome: any opinion on bug #982820
[10:05] <knome> ochosi, it's off centre even with xfwm.
[10:05] <ochosi> yes, that's because of the uneven number of elements
[10:05] <knome> yeah
[10:05] <ochosi> i think it would have to be fixed in xfwm4 itself
[10:05] <knome> i don't know metacity well enough to have a specific opinion or insight on that
[10:06] <knome> maybe ask for a shot without the fix and with the fix
[10:06] <knome> and if it proves to be as he says, then i'm all in for dropping the fix in.
[10:07] <ochosi> i already did that
[10:07] <ochosi> read my comment ;)
[10:07] <knome> ah
[10:07] <ochosi> unfortunately my second comment was dumped by LP
[10:07] <knome> yeah, i actually read it, but missed the last comment in the comment ;)
[10:07] <ochosi> the centering works in metacity as it does in xfwm4
[10:07] <ochosi> so centering is always based on the window-buttons
[10:08] <knome> mmhmm
[10:08] <ochosi> if you have them on the left (like ubuntu does by default) you'll need the -36 to have the title centered
[10:08] <knome> i mean, go for it if it fixes it
[10:08] <knome> is there any possibility the buttons and the text could overlap?
[10:09] <ochosi> no, the point is that there is no fixing it
[10:09] <knome> hm?
[10:09] <ochosi> you can either optimize it for min,max,close buttons on the left or on the right
[10:10] <ochosi> setting the value to 0 doesn't center the title, it's just the value between those two options
[10:10] <knome> aha
[10:11] <knome> pleia2, can we maybe set up an email list for the twitter account?
[10:12] <knome> pleia2, i mean, then we'd all get notifications
[10:12] <knome> pleia2, i'm also thinking if there is some notifications for the g+ account, we could use the list for that too
[10:12] <ochosi> knome: the title is always centered relative to the title-element, not window-width
[10:12] <knome> ochosi, right
[10:12] <knome> ochosi, in xfwm and metacity
[10:12] <knome> ?
[10:12] <ochosi> yup
[10:13] <knome> then i'd say center it in the title-element
[10:13] <knome> in both
[10:14] <ochosi> in xfwm4 it is centered in the title element already
[10:14] <knome> i know
[10:14] <ochosi> i guess in metacity it was set-up like this because i didn't originally write the theme myself
[10:14] <knome> yeah
[10:29] <ochosi> knome: the release notes look fine from my pov
[10:29] <knome> ochosi, yeah, they should
[10:51] <knome> ochosi, what's your schedule today?
[10:51] <knome> pleia2, you too ^ ?
[10:51] <ochosi> lunch > now :)
[10:51] <ochosi> then i'll have to grade papers from a course i gave this semester
[10:51] <ochosi> i'll probably be back sometime in the afternoon, then i'll be away again from 6-9pm
[10:51] <knome> mmh
[10:51] <ochosi> not sure i'll return today
[10:51] <ochosi> why?
[10:51] <knome> okay well
[10:51] <knome> if i'm not here when ubuntu is released
[10:52] <knome> may i give you short instructions what to do
[10:52] <knome> create a file named released.txt
[10:52] <knome> in the file, type released
[10:52] <knome> then upload it as attachment to the "12.04 is released" article
[10:52] <knome> and the countdown banners should say "download it now"
[10:52] <ochosi> a-ha
[10:52] <ochosi> sounds complicated ;)
[10:52] <knome> yeah, really!
[10:53] <ochosi> hehe
[10:53] <ochosi> ok, and then publish the article?
[10:53] <knome> yeah
[10:53] <ochosi> ok
[10:53] <ochosi> if i'm around i can do it
[10:53] <knome> yeah
[10:53] <knome> for the Q cycle
[10:53] <knome> i will do a simple site with basic_auth
[10:53] <knome> to set the release date and name
[10:53] <knome> and to change the "released" bit
[10:54] <knome> so we don't need to fall back on IS, or wordpress
[10:54] <knome> (we did both today)
[10:55] <ochosi> mhm
[10:55] <ochosi> lunch ->
[10:55] <knome> bon appetit
[10:59]  * knome bbl
[11:10] <madnick> I bought awesome food this morning, but I forgot the main ingredient :(
[11:11] <madnick> oh, this is not -offtopic, sorry heh
[12:19] <ochosi> ubuntu has reportedly been released, what about us?
[12:20] <davmor2> ochosi: Xubuntu is listed in the release notice
[12:20] <PopeJob> but the link is dead
[12:20] <PopeJob> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release
[12:23] <ochosi> bbl
[13:02] <Shayan> hi'
[13:02] <Shayan> anyone here?
[13:07] <astraljava> Yes.
[13:10]  * pleia2 rubs eyes
[13:11] <Shayan> sorry didn't see you there
[13:11] <pleia2> ok, now to figure out where he put the info
[13:11] <Shayan> ok so i wanted to know that what programming language is xubuntu made in?
[13:11] <Shayan> and when is it coming out
[13:13] <Shayan> HELLO?
[13:15] <astraljava> Xubuntu is a compilation of various packages. Each application could be programmed in a different language. I suggest you read more into how distributions are compiled. It's going to be out during today, Thursday 26th of April. Also, please have a little more patiance.
[13:15] <astraljava> patience*
[13:16] <pleia2> it's out
[13:16] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/
[13:16] <pleia2> came out about an hour ago :)
[13:17] <pleia2> not sure why our front page isn't updating, and I uploaded the released.txt like knome said
[13:18] <Pjotr> Hello, I'm eager for Xubuntu 12.04. Hasn't it been released yet?
[13:20] <pleia2> ...and now our site is down (but so is ubuntu.com)
[13:21] <pleia2> Pjotr: release day is always crazy, it was released an hour ago but mirrors and things haven't finished updating
[13:21] <Shayan> i am so happy now i can leave this *BEEP* windows
[13:22] <pleia2> Shayan: this isn't the place for that
[13:22] <Pjotr> pleia2: OK.... do you have a link to a working mirror for me?
[13:22] <pleia2> Pjotr: no, sorry
[13:22] <Shayan> sorry i promise i wont do that again
[13:22] <pleia2> ubuntu.com isn't even loading for me at the moment ;)
[13:22] <Shayan> please don't ban me
[13:22] <Shayan> me niether
[13:30] <astraljava> knome: Who do we have with ops on #xubuntu? I'm getting real tired of the cruft there.
[13:31] <pleia2> astraljava: /msg chanserv access #xubuntu list
[13:31] <astraljava> Ahh thanks.
[13:34] <Shayan> where do i download xubuntu it isn't available a GET XUBUNTU
[13:35] <pleia2> Shayan: please be patient
[13:35] <Shayan> i am trying to figure it out
[13:35] <Shayan> i found it
[13:35] <Shayan> here you go
[13:35] <Shayan> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/
[13:35] <pleia2> the mirrors haven't all synced, we don't have a full listing to update the download page with
[13:37] <Shayan> oh
[13:38] <pleia2> ok, I updated /getxubuntu with a note so hopefully people will calm down
[13:38] <Shayan> ok
[13:39] <Shayan> who are you and how do you have the acces to the website
[13:39] <Shayan> ???
[13:40] <pleia2> Shayan: I'm the team website lead
[13:40] <astraljava> Shayan: Have you noticed that you're on -devel channel? It's likely that people who develop the project hang out in here.
[13:40] <pleia2> you're in the development channel
[13:40] <Shayan> i know i just wanted to join and check it out
[13:40] <Shayan> i also joined the mailing list
[13:41] <Shayan> i am a huge GNU/Linux fan
[13:43] <Shayan> how can i help?
[13:43] <Shayan> and is Python involved
[13:44] <madnick> Shayan: Hi
[13:44] <madnick> Testing is always welcome, and Python is involved, but I am not sure about anything that needs attention that is written in Python
[13:44] <madnick> atm anyway
[13:44] <pleia2> ok http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ is starting to populate properly
[13:45] <Shayan> ok
[13:45] <Shayan> thanks
[13:45] <Shayan> thanks
[13:45] <Shayan> now please update the Get Xubuntu Page So others can download
[13:46] <pleia2> Shayan: please be patient, the mirrors haven't finished syncing and not all the images are up yet
[13:46] <Shayan> ok
[13:47] <Shayan> and what about the torrents?
[13:47] <Shayan> I am very impatient LOL
[13:48]  * madnick is on old images
[13:50] <pleia2> sigh, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ is empty again :\
[13:50] <pleia2> I don't know how the magic behind this iso generation all happens
[13:53] <Shayan> WHAT ABOUT THE TORRENTS???????
[13:53] <pleia2> Shayan: please stop :(
[13:53] <Shayan> sorry
[13:53] <pleia2> yelling at us won't make it happen faster, you're just being mean
[13:54] <Shayan> ok
[13:55] <Shayan> what about torrents*sad face* i will never type in capital letters again
[13:55] <pleia2> asking over and over again won't help either
[13:55] <pleia2> stop it
[13:55] <Shayan> ok sorry
[13:55] <Shayan> i won't ask again
[13:57] <astraljava> Well, that topic is not development-related at all, so please join #xubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-release-party for anxious release queries.
[14:10] <pleia2> knome: I put a note on http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ for now while we wait for everything to get settled image and mirror-wise, and the released.txt didn't seem to work (or the server is full of wonky caching)
[14:11] <pleia2> I need to go get another hour of sleep, long work day today + release party tonight
[14:11] <pleia2> (sorry astraljava, hate to leave you)
[14:11] <astraljava> pleia2: It's alright, someone's gotta play the shepherd. :)
[14:11]  * pleia2 hugs
[14:11] <astraljava> But I'm going to be gone soon anyway. :D
[14:11] <astraljava> At least for a while.
[14:11] <pleia2> hopefully knome will come back soon :)
[14:13] <astraljava> He's on much-needed vacation. *smirk*
[14:58] <knome> pleia2, the frontpage used a static link. i fixed the page, but it seems there definitely is some caching going on
[15:08] <knome> ah, the cache was refreshed :)
[15:14] <baizon> well done guys. Thank you for your hard work :)
[15:14] <knome> thanks
[15:25]  * knome is away again, when the mirrors seem to be (mostly) working, can somebody update the download page finally? thanks
[15:26] <knome> astraljava, just added you to -website, you are able to edit pages too.
[15:38] <astraljava> That's good and all, but I wouldn't know how... *grin*
[15:41] <astraljava> knome: Could you now change /topic to point to the download page? Also if there's a quick info command for the bot, that'd rule. We're getting hammered on the support chan.
[15:48] <pleia2> browsing mirrors now to update the site
[15:48] <astraljava> Yeah that will help as well, thanks!
[15:49] <astraljava> Ahh... he's gone again.
[15:49] <GridCube> :) lottawork in here it seems
[15:49] <GridCube> keep the woodworks 
[15:50] <astraljava> I think we need to ask permissions for a bigger dev crowd, it's times like these when the current system "breaks". :)
[15:50] <astraljava> pleia2: Feel free to give me a brief lesson for updating the site, I'm in the group now.
[16:00] <pjotr> Hello, I'm getting some complaints on the Dutch Ubuntu forum, about the Xubuntu website
[16:01] <pjotr> They want to download Xubuntu 12.04, and can't from the get page:http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[16:01] <pjotr> I propose an 'intermediate' solution: please remove all references to 11.10 and 10.04, and place a link to the cdimage server: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[16:02] <pjotr> What do you think?
[16:02] <Supp3rMario> I belive they are still syncing mirrors...
[16:02] <pjotr> Yes, so I propose an intermediate temporary solution...
[16:05] <astraljava> pjotr: Yes, thank you. The situation is under review, so some action will be taken soon.
[16:05] <pleia2> pjotr: it's been updated with the current mirrors, people are probably just being stuck in the cache
[16:06] <pleia2> if they are still getting the page with 11.10 and 10.04 it does have a note at the top explaining "Note: Xubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) images are currently syncing to mirrors, we will update when they are available."
[16:07] <pleia2> unfortunately due to the load IS has had to take advantage of pretty heavy caching, so it may take a few minutes to show up
[16:07] <pjotr> OK, I suppose it's more a matter of minutes than hours then, before it'll be allright.  :-)
[16:08] <pleia2> I assure you, we've been working hard for a few hours to get this all sorted
[16:08] <pleia2> it took a while for the images to become largely available at all, and we've had some hard downtime
[16:10] <pjotr> I know you guys work hard.... And you made the best Xubuntu yet!  12.04 is really a winner.
[16:10] <astraljava> Thanks, the devs will appreciate that! :)
[16:11] <pleia2> sweet, I misspelled pangolin on the download page
[16:11]  * pleia2 fixes
[16:11] <GridCube> pagnolin? sarahpalin?
[16:12] <pleia2> Pangloin :P
[16:12] <pleia2> I'm tired :)
[16:12] <astraljava> What?! It's only morning there. :D
[16:12] <GridCube> :P rest
[16:12] <pleia2> I got up at 6AM, took a nap between 7:30 and 8:30, now back :D
[16:13] <pjotr> Well, the nicknames of Ubuntu are notorious.  :P Have a couple of beers on me, and relax. You well deserve your recreation. :-)
[16:14] <pleia2> the release party here isn't for another 10 hours, I'll have a beer then :)
[16:17] <astraljava> pleia2: Damn, he left? I'd love to have a few brewskies on someone else, too. :D
[16:17] <pleia2> lol
[16:19] <knome> !12.04
[16:20] <knome> !-precise 
[16:20] <knome> !-12.04
[16:20] <knome> yeah..
[16:21] <pleia2> knome: btw, twitter only sends you email when someone you're following mentions/replies to you, and we don't follow anyone
[16:22] <knome> ah
[16:22] <knome> right
[16:22] <pleia2> I don't think it should be like this, but twitter kind of sucks :\
[16:22] <knome> well, mentions would be good
[16:22] <pleia2> (in the preferences it doesn't seem like this would be the case)
[16:22] <knome> wouldn't have to check via web
[16:22] <pleia2> but I only get emails when people follow us
[16:22] <knome> twitter had rss feeds until recently
[16:22] <knome> but the disabled them
[16:22] <knome> *they
[16:22] <pleia2> yeah
[16:22] <pleia2> btw, we don't have 64-bit torrents
[16:23] <knome> ouch.
[16:23] <knome> reason?
[16:23] <pleia2> I don't know
[16:23] <pleia2> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/
[16:23] <knome> asked at -release
[16:24] <pleia2> hmm, I guess we have them on our regular download page but not on torrent.ubuntu
[16:24] <knome> weird
[16:24] <knome> pleia2, maybe join -release for coordination :)
[16:25] <astraljava> Hmm? I see them, and it appears to offer downloading them.
[16:25] <GridCube> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[16:25] <GridCube> they are there :/
[16:25] <pleia2> GridCube: yeah, as I said, they aren't on torrent.ubuntu.com (the link we give people who want the torrents)
[16:25] <astraljava> Ahh... so just missing from the torrent.u.c? Nice.
[16:27] <knome> there seems to be some heavy caching, but i update the "released" post on the website to link to the download page as well as the complete release notes at the ubuntu wiki
[16:28] <knome> probably up in ten or so mins
[16:31] <knome> trying to reply to people who have problems in twitter, but answer in a general way to give insight to others too
[16:33] <pleia2> thanks knome 
[16:33] <knome> np
[16:35] <pleia2> btw, another "feature" of twitter is if you're not following someone who is replied to, it won't show up in your feed
[16:35] <pleia2> so only people looking directly at the xubuntulinux page will see your replies to random people they don't follow
[16:35] <knome> yeah.
[16:35] <knome> that's not too bad really
[16:35] <pleia2> it used to be an option to turn on/off
[16:35] <knome> well, it's rather bad, but not horrible
[16:37] <knome> the caching is really heavy today
[16:37] <pleia2> yeah :\
[16:40] <pleia2> woo, one more mirror up
[16:41] <knome> hihi
[16:43] <knome> ah, finally
[16:43] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ is updated! 
[16:47] <pleia2> :)
[16:48] <knome> bleh, yeah, seems like the amd64 torrents do not work :(
[16:54] <knome> actually, the work, but throw an error nevertheless
[16:54] <pleia2> ah
[16:55] <knome> i seem to be able to download and upload too
[17:10] <pleia2> this is a lousy time zone to help with a release in :)
[17:10] <knome> how so?
[17:10] <pleia2> it was released at 5AM!
[17:11] <knome> hehe
[17:11] <astraljava> Hah!
[17:11] <knome> well, aren't you still up at that time?
[17:11] <astraljava> pleia2: Wanna switch?
[17:11] <pleia2> knome: nah, I got to bed at 1 in anticipation of getting up early ;)
[17:11] <knome> ;)
[17:11]  * knome slept long without worrying too much anyway
[17:11] <knome> things either work or not
[17:12]  * astraljava also slept like 3 hours, but mostly due to Caps @ Bruins game. And we lost...
[17:12] <pleia2> astraljava: doh :)
[17:12] <knome> ^ and that's not because i don't care about QA, that's just because that's it
[17:12] <knome> astraljava, so what are you doing on friday?
[17:12] <pleia2> I miss the east coast time zone, I didn't realize the world revolved around New York until after I moved ;)
[17:12] <astraljava> knome: No, you don't care about QA cause you have me! :D
[17:12] <knome> astraljava, i mean, tomorrow:)
[17:12] <knome> astraljava, well that too, but that's different to this issue ;)
[17:13] <astraljava> knome: Probably trying to organize the moving, and I fear I also have to sit in a completely pointless business meeting with an aussie and his friend... *grin*
[17:14] <knome> hahah
[17:14] <knome> congrats :P
[17:14] <knome> sounds boring.
[17:15] <astraljava> I'm yawning already.
[17:15] <knome> yeah.
[17:15] <knome> i can imagine.
[17:15] <astraljava> But two weeks from that, we need to come up with something cool.
[17:15] <astraljava> I'll be totally exhausted, though. But still.
[17:16] <knome> haha :)
[17:16] <knome> maybe try to set up some kind of FOSS meeting?
[17:17] <knome> i was thinking of registering commit.fi, but that was taken by some healthcare solutions company
[17:17] <astraljava> Yeah, something like that.
[17:18] <knome> i'd love a homer server somewhere tied to a domain.
[17:18] <knome> i mean, with ssh/website capabilities
[17:18] <knome> some kind of collaborative effort to achieve something
[17:18] <knome> world peace or sth.
[17:19] <knome> if it can be reliable, and with a decent internet connection, why not for irc clients too.
[17:19] <knome> i mean, with an i-line to a few networks...
[17:20] <astraljava> I have dyndns setup for one machine, we could utilize that.
[17:20] <knome> dyndns :|
[17:20] <astraljava> Of course the machine is not connected now.
[17:20] <knome> well yeah.
[17:21] <astraljava> Well, it's better than nothing, for starters.
[17:21] <knome> i was thinking of something that is as stable as kapsi
[17:21] <astraljava> It can be used for testing and development.
[17:21] <astraljava> Well of course.
[17:21] <astraljava> But at first stages.
[17:21] <knome> (i know i've learnt to like 'too good')
[17:21] <astraljava> I don't think the dyndns is too unstable, though.
[17:21] <astraljava> It's a beefy 100/10 line.
[17:21] <knome> well of course you can point domains there too.
[17:22] <astraljava> But of course they'll take it down if we really start to utilize it much.
[17:22] <knome> especially non fi-domains, since joker offers dns servers
[17:22] <knome> yes, of course.
[17:22] <astraljava> Yeah.
[17:22] <knome> that's the problem :D
[17:22] <astraljava> But in all fairness, I'd only really use it during development.
[17:23] <astraljava> I am not interested in setting up reliable hosting in my apartment.
[17:23] <knome> i can't think of any case where i'd need any other server than what launchpad and github can offer me
[17:23] <knome> except some private repositories, but on the other hand, i don't want them to be visible to others anyway
[17:23] <astraljava> Yeah, and virtual hosting is so easy these days.
[17:23] <knome> yeah.
[17:26] <pleia2> knome: btw, if you want to get the following emails for twitter I can forward them to you (I already filter them, easy enough to add a forward address too)
[17:27] <pleia2> we got like 25 followers today :)
[17:31] <knome> yeah, a good bunch.
[17:31] <knome> we hit 500 three days ago
[17:33] <astraljava> knome: support question on support channel, and one that I'm interested about, too. So please answer. :)
[17:33] <knome> heh
[17:38] <knome> amd64 torrents are at torrent.ubuntu.com now too.
[17:38] <knome> and at least i didn't get any errors now
[17:41] <knome> pleia2, want to write a "it's out" mail to xubuntu-users ? :)
[17:41] <pleia2> sure
[17:41] <knome> thanks
[17:41] <pleia2> linked up http://xubuntu.org/press/precise/ (I created the page last night)
[17:41] <pleia2> added the first link to it!
[17:41] <knome> i think forwarding the mail from ubuntu-announce with a small message is fine i think
[17:41] <knome> oh, i have an another
[17:41] <knome> from twitter
[17:42] <knome> http://www.smdavis.us/2012/04/26/xubuntu-12-04-released/
[17:42] <knome> i'll update
[17:42] <pleia2> thanks
[17:42] <knome> warning! a princess is editing the page
[17:43] <pleia2> sorry, out
[17:43] <knome> hehe
[17:43] <knome> np ;)
[17:44] <knome> updated
[17:44] <knome> hoho, seems like there was no cache or the caching is tuned down a bit
[17:46] <knome> the torrents seem to be fully operating now
[17:47] <knome> i double-checked, and torrent.ubuntu.com have all the .torrent and .iso files
[17:48]  * knome is seeding all the images, amd64 images are 100% finished, others 92% and 35%
[17:48] <knome> (i have least of the i386 desktop, and i suppose that's good because it probably has the best seeding anyway)
[17:48] <knome> at least most peers
[17:48] <knome> by far
[17:49] <knome> alternate amd64 has 8 peers :D
[17:50] <knome> alternate i386 done!
[17:52] <pleia2> working on the post to -users but my boss keeps wanting me to do work
[17:52] <knome> awwh, crap
[17:56] <pleia2> knome: on 10.04 will the update manager let them know they can upgrade?
[17:56] <pleia2> oh wait, I have a 10.04 system
[17:57]  * pleia2 goes to check
[17:57] <knome> pleia2, according to -release, not before .1
[17:57] <knome> pleia2, withtout -d
[18:02]  * knome is now seeding all images
[18:06] <pleia2> knome: yeah, I saw the do-release-upgrade -d thing, wasn't sure if the update manager would pop up a thing saying "12.04 is here!"
[18:06] <pleia2> like it does on 11.10
[18:06] <knome> pleia2, no, it won't until .1
[18:06] <pleia2> gotcha
[18:07] <knome> but i can't personally confirm that
[18:07] <knome> if you can, i can tweet that
[18:07] <pleia2> that's too many words, I won't mention 10.04 in the -users announcement
[18:07] <pleia2> if someone asks I'll think about it then ;)
[18:08] <knome> i can try to tweet that if you think it's useful ;)
[18:09] <knome> Upgraders from 10.04 to 12.04: Please use 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d', notification for the distribution upgrade won't pop up until 12.04.1
[18:09] <knome> that's exactly the tweet length
[18:09] <pleia2> perfect!
[18:09] <pleia2> and I already hit send
[18:09] <knome> want me to tweet that? ;)
[18:09] <pleia2> hehe
[18:09] <pleia2> yeah
[18:09] <pleia2> everything is too slow for me to do tests of this stuff yet
[18:09] <knome> done
[18:09] <knome> mmh
[18:09] <pleia2> half my downloads are failing, it's just annoying
[18:09] <knome> yeah
[18:10] <astraljava> knome: Oh yes it does, from 11.10. From 10.04, it needs the -d switch.
[18:10] <knome> astraljava, yes
[18:10] <knome> astraljava, that's why the tweet says "Upgraders from 10.04 to 12.04"
[18:10] <astraljava> Oh sorry, missed a few lines.
[18:10] <knome> np
[18:11] <pleia2> ok, replied to my own email with that line
[18:11] <knome> hihi
[18:15] <astraljava> So we're actively encouraging the LTS-to-LTS upgrade?
[18:15] <astraljava> ...before the first point release?
[18:15] <pleia2> I don't know about "actively encouraging" but it is technically is a supported option and we should let people know how to do it if they want
[18:15] <knome> no, we are not
[18:15] <knome> yeah
[18:16] <knome> many people do want to do that
[18:17]  * pleia2 will wait for .1 ;)
[18:18] <astraljava> Yeah well, elaborating on the issue sounds like that to me. :)
[18:19] <astraljava> But ok, I am just preparing myself for the myriad of issues bound to that procedure. :)
[18:19] <knome> heh
[18:21] <knome> astraljava, https://twitter.com/#!/XubuntuLinux/status/195578269108674561
[18:21] <knome> " ¡Yo ya bajé xubuntu 12.04 x torrent! Ahora estoy compartiendo... ¿vos que estás esperando para bajarlo? "
[18:22] <knome> ^ ideas what that means? ;)
[18:23] <astraljava> Oh yeah, I speak esperanto fluently.
[18:38] <knome> heh
[18:38] <knome> i knew it!
[18:51] <pleia2> 17 twitter followers in the past hour, we're over 600 :)
[18:51] <knome> yeah :)
[18:51]  * knome has the "connect" page open in firefox too
[18:52] <knome> along with transmission and irc
[18:52] <pleia2> we have ruined you
[18:52] <knome> yeah :(
[18:52] <knome> i've thought of starting to tweet personally too
[18:52]  * astraljava hangs head in shame
[18:52] <astraljava> Look at what they've done to you, man!
[18:52] <knome> but i figured out most of the tweets i'd send is about xubuntu anyway, so no reason to.
[18:53] <astraljava> PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER!
[18:54] <knome> pleia2, why does twitter.com say 589 followers? :(
[18:54] <knome> and on some pages, 594
[18:54] <knome> *584
[18:54] <knome> caching?:<
[18:54] <pleia2> I dunno, it tells me 612
[18:54] <knome> weird
[18:55] <knome> ah, did a hard refresh and there it is, 612
[19:24] <knome> off for a walk, bbl
[21:04] <Unit193> jono: I think you have a connection issue, or I'm having a screen issue.
[21:04] <jono> Unit193, I am on a plane, connection keeps dropping
[21:05] <Unit193> Heh, that'd do it.