[01:25] Ehh... after a while, I just saw the all-gray terminal of Xubuntu. [01:25] ;) [01:25] :P [01:25] its awesome [01:26] you open it and go... oooooh [01:28] oooohh... where did all the colors go from my monitor?! [01:29] :P no, more like oooooh... thats nice! [01:30] i have made all the interfaces i can "all grey" [01:30] I use gray too, but lots of shades of it. :) [01:34] astraljava, http://imagebin.org/209761 [01:34] :P [01:35] Well that really is quite... gray. [01:35] C: [01:39] knome: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/precise/ the precise_ images are for our screenshots page which we should publish soon, the x.png files are numbered similiarly but are shrunk versions of the precise_ ones for the front page [01:39] or whatever you want to do :) [01:41] ah, I see what the person was saying about the website lying, the last page of our countdown banner is showing which says "Download Xubuntu 12.04 now!" [01:42] er "being silly" [01:42] Well, it's not strictly lying, it's not saying 12.04 Final. :D [01:42] hehe [01:42] Ah, I see. [01:50] ok, I snagged a screenshot for http://xubuntu.org/help/ [01:50] I think then we'll have http://xubuntu.org/tour/ to do [01:50] and we should put together some new FAQ [01:50] (same 10, review answers?) [01:50] probably [01:50] we have a few new ones [01:51] good [01:51] mostly samba shares, use gigolo [01:51] cool [01:54] ok, uploaded http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/precise/open_xchat-p.png for /help [02:00] i found the other thing that had to go to faq and was the resize thing, but ochosi already did an awesome faq for it [02:01] another thing we could add is the anoying thunar issue, the workaround works pretty well [02:54] mmm [02:55] everytime i plug the headphones a crash report pops up indicating blueman crashed [02:56] but i dont have bluthooth stuff [02:56] blueman-applet [02:57] GridCube: please file a bug [02:58] i get a "know issue" from the crash reports handler and nothing more [02:58] not even a link to the known isue isue [03:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/988656 [03:07] Launchpad bug 988656 in blueman (Ubuntu) "blueman-applet fails in xubuntu 12.04 everytime a headphone jack is plugged in" [Undecided,New] [03:08] GridCube: There should be a button for "Details" [03:09] Unit193, yes, thats how i know its the blueman-applet [03:09] It gave me the bug number when I did it, but it was one digit off. :P [03:10] its funny how consistent it is :P [03:18] he filed 2 bugs [03:21] Really weird... [03:23] "appending screenshot of the report and a dump of lshw. please inform me if you need extra information" That's the addition, you think he may have hit the back button? [07:40] damn, my intelligent script didn't work then ;) [07:41] s/ent/ence/ [07:41] nope, it's not an intelligence script :P [07:45] i just updated the frontpage to at least serve the "soon" image [07:50] It's a script, please don't think it's intelligent. [07:50] Right, Unit193? [07:51] astraljava: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [07:51] See? [08:20] \o/ [08:20] the slideshow script is working as expected [08:26] pleia2, thanks for the screenshots. they are up! [08:28] okay, the countdown banners should now say "soon" !! \o/ [08:29] hi everyone [08:30] o/ [08:31] hehe, clever hiding abiword behind gnumeric in the slideshow :p [08:33] release notes at xubuntu.org are in line with the ones in the wiki [08:33] IF YOU DO ANY CHANGES, please make sure it's going in both. [08:35] haven't taken a look at the release notes yet [08:36] awwh! [08:36] why you little...! [08:36] but i guess i can say everytime: with $release, artwork has improved a lot, the look is more polished and everything's perrty! [08:36] hehe [08:37] and anyway, i spent more energy on trying to blog stuff lately [08:37] which reminds me, what do you think of showing the post-author? [08:38] (i'm looking at the release-notes now, but really, i don't think there's anything for me to add) [08:40] author worksforme [08:40] the question is whether it'll also be visible on the planet (where most of our readers are probably) [08:42] nope. [08:42] until you either type it in the post [08:42] or add a plugin which does that for you [08:43] hmm [08:43] something like "The author of this post is Simon Steinbeiß who is the Xubuntu Artwork Lead. In addition to Xubuntu, he works extensively on the Shimmer Project and Xfce. ..." [08:43] yeah, something like that would be useful [08:44] i guess something like a custom field or a tag could work? [08:44] mmh, those aren't pulled to planet [08:44] mkay [08:44] that's why it needs to be technically *in the post* [08:45] yeah, i see [08:45] well i can add my "signature" to all my posts by hand... [08:45] yeah [08:45] or we make a signature-plugin [08:45] and add a field to the profile [08:45] we could definitely write one [08:45] i mean the user-profile [08:45] yep [08:46] and you could even show that in the post page [08:46] and if you wanted, you could edit that per-post [08:46] say, you wanted to tell you just got a new puppy [08:46] yeah, but the simple way of auto-adding the signature to the post would be sufficient imo [08:47] in fact it would only have to autoadd --sig to every new post you create. so you could edit it by hand anyway [08:47] mmh. [08:47] yeah [08:47] that would work probably [08:48] if i add that now to my posts, will that re-feed them to the planet? [08:48] it shouldn't, since we switched back to the better rss2 feed [08:48] (rather than atom, which refeeded because there was only one date-field) [08:48] try with the newest post first [08:49] ok [08:49] (whoa, being able to work with wordpress instead of drupal is such a blessing...) [08:51] yup. [08:51] ok, i added a signature now [08:51] you *could* do such things in drupal, but it would be a world war every time ;) [08:52] i guess for the style of it, italic font is fine? [08:52] well even just the user-interface of wordpress is solid gold [08:53] yeah, italic [08:53] true [08:54] it would be cool to integrate the author gravatar to the sig too. [08:54] good idea [08:54] and maybe style it that it stands out a bit more [08:54] but that's for later [08:54] yes, a box or something [08:54] maybe not a box box, but yeah [08:54] doesn't seem like the planet got updated [08:55] i mean the post is still old there [08:55] yeah, shouldn't have [08:55] but the planet updates like every 10mins [08:55] ok [08:55] so maybe wait for 15 [08:55] yup [08:55] yesterday night i had a few ideas for 12.10 [08:55] hehe [08:55] did you add them to the roadmap? [08:56] no, i'll tell you first and then you'll tell me that's bs :) [08:56] haha [08:56] k [08:56] well, the community should decide that, but... ;) [08:56] 1) replace the menu by fullscreen appfinder with dark style (kinda like the gnome-shell activities launcher) [08:57] 2) write a small programm that displays our keyboard-shortcuts when holding the super-key (like in ubuntu atm, i think that's a valuable thing) [08:57] 1) possible, but that will need extensive testing and we should still provide the menu as an alternative [08:57] 2) yeah, but who's gonna write that? ;) [08:57] i dunno, it doesn't sound very hard [08:57] and i think i know someone who might do that [08:58] yeah, it's probably rather trivial, but still somebody should do that [08:58] i recently contacted sean davis (the guy who submitted so many bugreports for P on LP) [08:58] he does simple pygtk apps from what i saw on g+ [08:58] ah [08:58] i'll ask him about it [08:58] k [08:59] (he already said he wants to contribute in Q via email) [08:59] To me, an app such as that sounds like, what I often call "X Hell" [08:59] madnick: why's that? [08:59] But I'm not sure what you mean. But I suspect you mean something global [08:59] stochastic, hai [08:59] Xlib, or if you are lucky, some VM tricks [09:00] knome, hi [09:00] WM* [09:00] madnick: i have no clue how ubuntu did it, i'd just fork whatever they did for the holding-superkey implementation [09:00] what if that was just a keybind that ran a script that printed a notify-box? :P [09:00] stochastic, did you know you're join/quit/joining? [09:00] 11:59 » stochastic [~stochasti@d207-81-38-154.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #xubuntu-devel [09:00] knome: cloak [09:00] 11:59 » stochastic [~stochasti@d207-81-38-154.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] [09:00] 11:59 » stochastic [~stochasti@pdpc/supporter/bronze/stochastic] has joined #xubuntu-devel [09:00] knome: yes, but then it would have to be a more complex keybinding than "hold super-key for 5sec) [09:00] madnick, yes, but that's avoidable... [09:00] stochastic, try setting your nickserv pass as the server password :) [09:01] knome: i like the fact that you're our irc evangelist :) [09:01] knome: Trying to set them all right? I like that. [09:01] knome, this was just now? I'll check into that. [09:01] ochosi, maybe, unless the keybind was super, and the script sleeped for 5secs and checked if super was still pressed ;) [09:02] ochosi, but yeah, i can see a bumpy road that way... [09:02] knome: yeah, possibly, i'll try to investigate that a bit (if we really want it) [09:02] Unit193, well, when i have time to notice the users, i will ;) [09:03] Unit193, especially in -devel, since i want as short logs as possible [09:06] knome: While I do understand the policy of telling them the release is at the end of 26th, UTC, I also don't like misleading them. [09:06] astraljava, what do you suggest then [09:06] Says "By the end" [09:07] Telling that it'll be released somtime during the 26th UTC. [09:07] right [09:07] yes [09:07] that's a subtle difference :) [09:07] happy? [09:07] But, mien is more technically correct. [09:08] Unit193, actually not [09:08] at least not more correct [09:08] but might be misunderstood to say it's released at the end [09:08] Cause my current understanding is that it's not that long anymore, so people will get pi*... angry if they find out it's been out for several hours already, thus rendering them useless in clogging Canonical's pipes. [09:08] Now I have to reset the alias..... [09:08] oh my :) [09:09] astraljava, hehe [09:10] knome: ok, the planet shows the post correctly now [09:10] ochosi, good [09:10] i'll add the signature to the resize-window post as well for consistency [09:11] knome: i think the least we should do now is add a signature-css [09:12] ochosi, site-update-wise, that's as "hard" as just writing the plugin and pushing that :) [09:12] oh, i forgot about that... [09:12] hehe :) [09:13] if we had ssh access to the server, that would probably be in already [09:13] you can add inline css yourself though [09:13] just edit in the html mode [09:13]

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[09:13] hmyeah, of course [09:14] but then we'd have to settle on a css style first ;) [09:14] interesting, gthumb 3.0 is out [09:14] well, once we push the css/plugin, we will need to fix those paragraphs anyway [09:14] so it doesn't matter if you added something that isn't final [09:14] mhm [09:53] knome: sry, don't have time (and creativity) to think of a nice signature-css-style now, if you have ideas feel free to make it [09:53] ochosi, i will think of that some time later [09:53] whether that was with the plugin code or just css ;) [09:54] yup [09:54] ablomen, merge request accepted, added you to credits :) [09:54] ablomen, thanks! [10:04] knome, Cool, no problem! I'll go over the other javascript code in the coming days whenever I'm bored at work :) [10:04] ablomen, great :) [10:04] knome: any opinion on bug #982820 [10:04] Launchpad bug 982820 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Greybird metacity window title off-centre" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/982820 [10:05] ochosi, it's off centre even with xfwm. [10:05] yes, that's because of the uneven number of elements [10:05] yeah [10:05] i think it would have to be fixed in xfwm4 itself [10:05] i don't know metacity well enough to have a specific opinion or insight on that [10:06] maybe ask for a shot without the fix and with the fix [10:06] and if it proves to be as he says, then i'm all in for dropping the fix in. [10:07] i already did that [10:07] read my comment ;) [10:07] ah [10:07] unfortunately my second comment was dumped by LP [10:07] yeah, i actually read it, but missed the last comment in the comment ;) [10:07] the centering works in metacity as it does in xfwm4 [10:07] so centering is always based on the window-buttons [10:08] mmhmm [10:08] if you have them on the left (like ubuntu does by default) you'll need the -36 to have the title centered [10:08] i mean, go for it if it fixes it [10:08] is there any possibility the buttons and the text could overlap? [10:09] no, the point is that there is no fixing it [10:09] hm? [10:09] you can either optimize it for min,max,close buttons on the left or on the right [10:10] setting the value to 0 doesn't center the title, it's just the value between those two options [10:10] aha [10:11] pleia2, can we maybe set up an email list for the twitter account? [10:12] pleia2, i mean, then we'd all get notifications [10:12] pleia2, i'm also thinking if there is some notifications for the g+ account, we could use the list for that too [10:12] knome: the title is always centered relative to the title-element, not window-width [10:12] ochosi, right [10:12] ochosi, in xfwm and metacity [10:12] ? [10:12] yup [10:13] then i'd say center it in the title-element [10:13] in both [10:14] in xfwm4 it is centered in the title element already [10:14] i know [10:14] i guess in metacity it was set-up like this because i didn't originally write the theme myself [10:14] yeah [10:29] knome: the release notes look fine from my pov [10:29] ochosi, yeah, they should [10:51] ochosi, what's your schedule today? [10:51] pleia2, you too ^ ? [10:51] lunch > now :) [10:51] then i'll have to grade papers from a course i gave this semester [10:51] i'll probably be back sometime in the afternoon, then i'll be away again from 6-9pm [10:51] mmh [10:51] not sure i'll return today [10:51] why? [10:51] okay well [10:51] if i'm not here when ubuntu is released [10:52] may i give you short instructions what to do [10:52] create a file named released.txt [10:52] in the file, type released [10:52] then upload it as attachment to the "12.04 is released" article [10:52] and the countdown banners should say "download it now" [10:52] a-ha [10:52] sounds complicated ;) [10:52] yeah, really! [10:53] hehe [10:53] ok, and then publish the article? [10:53] yeah [10:53] ok [10:53] if i'm around i can do it [10:53] yeah [10:53] for the Q cycle [10:53] i will do a simple site with basic_auth [10:53] to set the release date and name [10:53] and to change the "released" bit [10:54] so we don't need to fall back on IS, or wordpress [10:54] (we did both today) [10:55] mhm [10:55] lunch -> [10:55] bon appetit [10:59] * knome bbl [11:10] I bought awesome food this morning, but I forgot the main ingredient :( [11:11] oh, this is not -offtopic, sorry heh === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:19] ubuntu has reportedly been released, what about us? [12:20] ochosi: Xubuntu is listed in the release notice [12:20] but the link is dead [12:20] http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release [12:23] bbl [13:02] hi' [13:02] anyone here? [13:07] Yes. [13:10] * pleia2 rubs eyes [13:11] sorry didn't see you there [13:11] ok, now to figure out where he put the info [13:11] ok so i wanted to know that what programming language is xubuntu made in? [13:11] and when is it coming out [13:13] HELLO? [13:15] Xubuntu is a compilation of various packages. Each application could be programmed in a different language. I suggest you read more into how distributions are compiled. It's going to be out during today, Thursday 26th of April. Also, please have a little more patiance. [13:15] patience* [13:16] it's out [13:16] http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ [13:16] came out about an hour ago :) [13:17] not sure why our front page isn't updating, and I uploaded the released.txt like knome said [13:18] Hello, I'm eager for Xubuntu 12.04. Hasn't it been released yet? [13:20] ...and now our site is down (but so is ubuntu.com) [13:21] Pjotr: release day is always crazy, it was released an hour ago but mirrors and things haven't finished updating [13:21] i am so happy now i can leave this *BEEP* windows [13:22] Shayan: this isn't the place for that [13:22] pleia2: OK.... do you have a link to a working mirror for me? [13:22] Pjotr: no, sorry [13:22] sorry i promise i wont do that again [13:22] ubuntu.com isn't even loading for me at the moment ;) [13:22] please don't ban me [13:22] me niether [13:30] knome: Who do we have with ops on #xubuntu? I'm getting real tired of the cruft there. [13:31] astraljava: /msg chanserv access #xubuntu list [13:31] Ahh thanks. [13:34] where do i download xubuntu it isn't available a GET XUBUNTU [13:35] Shayan: please be patient [13:35] i am trying to figure it out [13:35] i found it [13:35] here you go [13:35] http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/ [13:35] the mirrors haven't all synced, we don't have a full listing to update the download page with [13:37] oh [13:38] ok, I updated /getxubuntu with a note so hopefully people will calm down [13:38] ok [13:39] who are you and how do you have the acces to the website [13:39] ??? [13:40] Shayan: I'm the team website lead [13:40] Shayan: Have you noticed that you're on -devel channel? It's likely that people who develop the project hang out in here. [13:40] you're in the development channel [13:40] i know i just wanted to join and check it out [13:40] i also joined the mailing list [13:41] i am a huge GNU/Linux fan [13:43] how can i help? [13:43] and is Python involved [13:44] Shayan: Hi [13:44] Testing is always welcome, and Python is involved, but I am not sure about anything that needs attention that is written in Python [13:44] atm anyway [13:44] ok http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ is starting to populate properly [13:45] ok [13:45] thanks [13:45] thanks [13:45] now please update the Get Xubuntu Page So others can download [13:46] Shayan: please be patient, the mirrors haven't finished syncing and not all the images are up yet [13:46] ok [13:47] and what about the torrents? [13:47] I am very impatient LOL [13:48] * madnick is on old images [13:50] sigh, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ is empty again :\ [13:50] I don't know how the magic behind this iso generation all happens [13:53] WHAT ABOUT THE TORRENTS??????? [13:53] Shayan: please stop :( [13:53] sorry [13:53] yelling at us won't make it happen faster, you're just being mean [13:54] ok [13:55] what about torrents*sad face* i will never type in capital letters again [13:55] asking over and over again won't help either [13:55] stop it [13:55] ok sorry [13:55] i won't ask again [13:57] Well, that topic is not development-related at all, so please join #xubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-release-party for anxious release queries. [14:10] knome: I put a note on http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ for now while we wait for everything to get settled image and mirror-wise, and the released.txt didn't seem to work (or the server is full of wonky caching) [14:11] I need to go get another hour of sleep, long work day today + release party tonight [14:11] (sorry astraljava, hate to leave you) [14:11] pleia2: It's alright, someone's gotta play the shepherd. :) [14:11] * pleia2 hugs [14:11] But I'm going to be gone soon anyway. :D [14:11] At least for a while. [14:11] hopefully knome will come back soon :) [14:13] He's on much-needed vacation. *smirk* [14:58] pleia2, the frontpage used a static link. i fixed the page, but it seems there definitely is some caching going on [15:08] ah, the cache was refreshed :) [15:14] well done guys. Thank you for your hard work :) [15:14] thanks [15:25] * knome is away again, when the mirrors seem to be (mostly) working, can somebody update the download page finally? thanks [15:26] astraljava, just added you to -website, you are able to edit pages too. [15:38] That's good and all, but I wouldn't know how... *grin* [15:41] knome: Could you now change /topic to point to the download page? Also if there's a quick info command for the bot, that'd rule. We're getting hammered on the support chan. [15:48] browsing mirrors now to update the site [15:48] Yeah that will help as well, thanks! [15:49] Ahh... he's gone again. [15:49] :) lottawork in here it seems [15:49] keep the woodworks [15:50] I think we need to ask permissions for a bigger dev crowd, it's times like these when the current system "breaks". :) [15:50] pleia2: Feel free to give me a brief lesson for updating the site, I'm in the group now. [16:00] Hello, I'm getting some complaints on the Dutch Ubuntu forum, about the Xubuntu website [16:01] They want to download Xubuntu 12.04, and can't from the get page:http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ [16:01] I propose an 'intermediate' solution: please remove all references to 11.10 and 10.04, and place a link to the cdimage server: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ [16:02] What do you think? [16:02] I belive they are still syncing mirrors... [16:02] Yes, so I propose an intermediate temporary solution... [16:05] pjotr: Yes, thank you. The situation is under review, so some action will be taken soon. [16:05] pjotr: it's been updated with the current mirrors, people are probably just being stuck in the cache [16:06] if they are still getting the page with 11.10 and 10.04 it does have a note at the top explaining "Note: Xubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) images are currently syncing to mirrors, we will update when they are available." [16:07] unfortunately due to the load IS has had to take advantage of pretty heavy caching, so it may take a few minutes to show up [16:07] OK, I suppose it's more a matter of minutes than hours then, before it'll be allright. :-) [16:08]