[01:09] <Kennochas> Is Xubuntu 12 actually out or is the website just being silly with us~
[01:10] <pleia2> !outyet
[01:10] <bazhang> the silly one
[01:11] <bazhang> !party | Kennochas
[01:11] <Kennochas> lol kk :)
[01:11] <Kennochas> website being silly then :)
[01:13] <pTk> !precise
[01:42] <pleia2> Kennochas: ah, I see what you mean, the countdown banner has flipped over to the new day :)
[01:42] <pleia2> oops
[02:02] <Kennochas> yea pleia2 :) I was so confused trying to find it lol
[03:30] <outyet> Hi?
[03:30] <Unit193> !isitout | outyet
[03:30] <Unit193> By end of day UTC.
[03:33] <outyet> Hello?
[03:35] <Unit193> Hello.
[03:38] <BaconAttack_> Hi
[04:36] <k_sze> How do I completely wipe a HDD in Xubuntu?
[04:37] <k_sze> I don't mean having to zero or scramble the data. I only mean to delete partitions and maybe even the partition table.
[04:37] <k_sze> So that it appears (logically) as a clean slate to any disk utility.
[04:43] <chelz> k_sze: gparted should work fine
[06:54] <antii> Hai
[06:55] <antii> What time is Xubuntu released?
[06:55] <Unit193> End of day UTC.
[07:24] <xubuntu642> hi
[07:24] <xubuntu642> how about Xubuntu release 12.04 ?
[07:25] <Unit193> Ubuntu will be released by the end of 26th, UTC.
[07:26] <xubuntu642> thank you
[07:27] <xubuntu642> can I install beta version Xubuntu
[07:32] <Unit193> Better off with a daily.
[07:32] <Unit193> !daily
[07:38] <xubuntu642> thanks
[07:44] <Marzata> url?
[07:45] <astraljava> Marzata: To what? Please try to find the energy for a few more words into your requests.
[07:45] <Marzata> http://xubuntu.org/news/the-countdown-is-on/
[07:45] <Marzata> url to download 12.04?
[07:46] <antii> Marzata: later.
[07:46] <astraljava> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[07:46] <Marzata> http://xubuntu.org/news/the-countdown-is-on/ says now
[07:46] <Unit193> !outyet
[07:46] <knome> i'm working on fixing it.
[07:46] <Sysi> "Now" = today
[07:46] <knome> it should read "soon", but the script is not working as it should.
[07:47] <Marzata> in Finnish now is today? :D
[07:47] <Marzata> short days probably
[07:47] <astraljava> No.
[08:14] <maeks> Anybody looking forward to the release? =)
[08:14] <antii> Yes!
[08:15] <antii> Gonna reinstall my laptop and workstation@work
[08:15] <knome> for partying the release, please use #ubuntu-release-party or #xubuntu-offtopic, thanks :)
[08:16] <maeks> will do..
[08:17] <knome> thanks!
[08:19] <Wizard> hi
[08:49] <xubuntu474> Hello everyone, when 12.04 will be available ? today?
[08:50] <Unit193> Ubuntu will be released by the end of 26th, UTC.
[08:53] <knome> (too)
[08:53] <knome> :P
[08:54] <xubuntu474> Unit193 thx
[09:52] <LuisS> Hi everyone, is it ok to install the beta 2 version and keep it instead of reinstalling the final version?
[09:53] <ochosi> LuisS: i'd be inclined to say yes. but the release is today, you know that, right?
[09:53] <LuisS> I mean, will they be the smame in the end?
[09:54] <ochosi> yes
[09:54] <LuisS> Yes I know, but i've allready intalled the beta 2 :)
[09:54] <ochosi> unless e.g. there are bugs in beta that pull extra packages
[09:54] <LuisS> Great xubuntu, by the way!
[09:55] <cousteau> afaik the beta just updates to the final release with the normal software updates
[09:55] <cousteau> er, too slow
[09:59] <f0x> will the next release hav efixed that bug when you open hope rite after boot and lags 30 seconds till it start
[09:59] <knome> ??
[10:00]  * astraljava doesn't wanna hear about any exotic rites people perform while booting
[10:00] <astraljava> Unless I've mistook something really badly.
[10:01] <well_laid_lawn> f0x: thunar is slow to start?
[10:01] <well_laid_lawn> hope == home ?
[10:03] <bepebe> are all editions of ubuntu (xubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu etc) released synomously with the main edition ?
[10:03] <knome> bepebe, yes, all are released parallel
[10:05] <bepebe> ta
[10:12] <Killuacba> Hi... im new in all these... and ive a question... if anyone can helpme i will be gratefully :D
[10:13] <well_laid_lawn> !hi | Killuacba
[10:13] <astraljava> Uh oh, well now it begins to make sense again.
[10:15] <Killuacba> thx to all.. the question is... i ve a laptop... a Compaq NX6125 whit a Sempron and 256 DDR... and i dunno what ubuntu or xubuntu download ^^
[10:15] <Killuacba> im 0 knowledge of linux code
[10:16] <well_laid_lawn> 256mB will make things like web browsers slow in any os, xubuntu would be better than ubuntu with that tho
[10:18] <Killuacba> im trying to install xubuntu whit the wubi but i guess is the last release and is very slowly the install (sory for my bad english, im from argentina)
[10:19] <well_laid_lawn> it will be slow because you don't have much memory I guess
[10:21] <Killuacba> im thinking to download an older release... but i dunno if that will have sense... (be more fast ) or just wait to the install finish...
[10:21] <Shayan> i am waiting for precise pangolin
[10:21] <well_laid_lawn> lots of ppl are
[10:21] <Shayan> hello anyone here
[10:21] <Shayan> ???
[10:21] <well_laid_lawn> !isitout
[10:21] <Shayan> oh didn't see you there
[10:22] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[10:22] <Shayan> why is it late?
[10:22] <Unit193> It's not late at all.
[10:22] <well_laid_lawn> it's still the 26th
[10:23] <Unit193> Barely the 26th, I haven't even gone to sleep yet.
[10:23] <Killuacba> here is 07.23 AM xD
[10:23] <well_laid_lawn> 8:30pm here
[10:24] <Shayan> i am from pakistan and the date and time is 25/04/2012 3:23
[10:24] <Shayan> pm
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> not even the 26th ?
[10:24] <Shayan> no
[10:24] <Shayan> you can check if you want
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn> but you said the release was late ?
[10:25] <Killuacba> thats mean.... im from the future... (?) i can tell you that "tomorrow" atn 07.25 am you will be in my place and chatting here (?)
[10:25] <Shayan> yeah it said (Yesterday) 1 day to go
[10:26] <Shayan> and it is 25 here so i thought it was one day late
[10:26] <well_laid_lawn> yesterday utc
[10:26] <well_laid_lawn> !utc
[10:26] <Shayan> what dows UTC mean?
[10:26] <Killuacba> Universal Time
[10:27] <Killuacba> Clock
[10:27] <Shayan> ok
[10:27] <Shayan> sorry
[10:27] <Killuacba> its the same that GMT0
[10:27] <Shayan> ok i am off to the party
[10:27] <Killuacba> ^^
[10:27] <Killuacba> owww install crashes again T_T
[10:27] <Killuacba> cyas Shayan
[10:28] <Shayan> and what IRC client are you guys using?
[10:28] <well_laid_lawn> I use xchat
[10:28] <Killuacba> webclient... right now
[10:28] <Shayan> me too(xchat)
[10:29] <knome> Shayan, well_laid_lawn, Killuacba: #xubuntu-offtopic please
[10:30] <Killuacba> install chrashed again... what do you think guys? i try to install an older release or just quit ?
[10:31] <well_laid_lawn> how much memory is windows using when you try the wubi install ?
[10:31] <well_laid_lawn> !wubi
[10:32] <Killuacba> dunno.. when i try to install its says "you have 2xx mb, maeby will crash"
[10:32] <well_laid_lawn> there you go then
[10:32] <well_laid_lawn> !dualboot
[10:33] <Killuacba> i know... i dunno thought it will really crash ^^
[10:34] <Killuacba> the weird thing is that freezes wen installing but after reboot the computer and when i choose "xubuntu" and install
[10:36] <bububuntu> why xubuntu is latest ? :(
[10:37] <well_laid_lawn> I'm going to go with
[10:37] <well_laid_lawn> !isitout
[10:38] <cousteau> !andnow
[10:38] <Killuacba> thx a lot  <well_laid_lawn> for your help
[10:39] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[10:56] <ngomes> hello , im following the updates and i get this error
[10:56] <ngomes> The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.
[10:57] <ngomes> and wont download the packages , does anyone have a clue how to resolve this ?
[10:57] <well_laid_lawn> what did you do to get that error?
[11:36] <redact3d> Hi - i have installed compiz and notice that my fps has dropped by a bit. are there any tweaks out there that anyone knows of? (have a reasonable graphics card)
[11:57] <Marzata> xubuntu 12.04 delayed?
[11:58] <bepebe> hope not :(
[11:58] <f0x> is released
[11:58] <f0x> coz ubuntuis
[12:01] <pedza> still not out :/
[12:01] <dekkz> yup ubuntu webby now showing 12.04
[12:01] <pedza> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[12:01] <dekkz> no more beta
[12:01] <pedza> it should be coming out here
[12:01] <bepebe> pedza: been like that for 3 hours... :(
[12:02] <astraljava> Yes, the admins are working on it. Please bear in mind that there are tens of images hosted on those servers, and half the world is downloading/refreshing the pages. There might be slowness in the servers. Have patience, please.
[12:03] <dekkz> .... although the linked DL fails on webby
[12:03] <dekkz> half the world..... as if
[12:04] <Marzata> lubuntu is out
[12:04] <pedza> i downloaded ubuntu 12.04 a couple of minutes ago via torrent successfully
[12:05] <pedza> yeah
[12:05] <Marzata> kubuntu is out
[12:05] <Marzata> X marks the spot?
[12:06] <dekkz> update manager doesnt find anything but its gonna be a long day ;)
[12:08] <f0x> is xubuntu release
[12:08] <f0x> d
[12:08] <f0x> ?
[12:08] <bepebe> its because its the best :)
[12:08] <f0x> link for downlaod
[12:08] <f0x> ?
[12:08] <flaxo> whereisit wherisit :)
[12:08] <flaxo> *fit*
[12:09] <dekkz> nowhere yet
[12:09] <flaxo> doh!
[12:09] <kintoandar> \part
[12:09] <flaxo> whenwillitbe?a
[12:09] <Wizard> If you are so impatient - update-manager -d
[12:09] <flaxo> -_-
[12:10] <flaxo> na i need an image
[12:10] <Wizard> so wait a bit more ;]
[12:10] <flaxo> right now i am in a badly screwed up mint12 version...
[12:10] <flaxo> desperately needing an oschange :)
[12:11] <koegs> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000159.html
[12:11] <Marzata> Kate is not sexy
[12:12] <dekkz> did amd64 images for xubuntu get tested enough to be released?
[12:13] <f0x> not yet
[12:14] <flaxo> hehe so i am gonna test drive it :]
[12:14] <dekkz> 12.04 lts officially announced 12.04pm uk time
[12:14] <dekkz> funny eh ubuntu
[12:14] <Wizard> flaxo, install 11.10 or 10.04 if you are in hurry
[12:14] <flaxo> na
[12:14] <flaxo> i am not in a hurry
[12:15] <flaxo> i am just impatiant :)
[12:15] <flaxo> no worry
[12:15] <flaxo> i'll stick around...
[12:15] <Wizard> :D
[12:15] <flaxo> the day is already half over in "the east"
[12:16] <Wizard> it's 14:15 here
[12:16] <dekkz> well get the beers out then
[12:16] <Wizard> so I guess 13:15 in London
[12:16] <dekkz> correct
[12:16] <Wizard> UK is in GMT+1 now, right?
[12:17] <dekkz> yup
[12:17] <dekkz> bst
[12:17] <flaxo> when is it gonna hit the shelfs?
[12:17] <Wizard> ST like Summer Time? :>
[12:18] <dekkz> ubuntu PR links to xubuntu release PR which atm 404's so i guess we know xubuntu 12.04 is still in oven
[12:18] <Killuacba> hi ppl, ive a doubt, if i copypaste the content of the install cd to a usbdrive ill can install the xubuntu or i just need another thing??? (im trying to install 10.04 version)
[12:18] <dekkz> well what passes for summer in uk wizard
[12:20] <dekkz> not an expert but u need a utility to create usb bootable
[12:20] <dekkz> i think
[12:20] <koegs> Killuacba: use unetbootin or the startup media creator in ubuntu itself
[12:20] <Killuacba> ive never use linux bfore ^^
[12:21] <dekkz> unetbootlin i believe
[12:21] <koegs> Killuacba: first of all, i would prefer to wait until the 12.04 iso is available today
[12:21] <koegs> then you can use unetbootin in windows to create a bootable usb-stick
[12:21] <Killuacba> ive an old laptop
[12:22] <Killuacba> whit a sempron and 256 DDR ram ^^
[12:22] <dekkz> imo forget ubuntu get tiny core linux
[12:23] <dekkz> for that spec
[12:23] <Killuacba> thats why i dont try whit new xubuntu... ive allready try 11 but crashed when install
[12:23] <f0x> released?
[12:23] <dekkz> it wont be any better
[12:24] <dekkz>  could try bodhi linux which is ubuntu lts with enlightnment desktop
[12:24] <f0x> why didnt release amd64 yet
[12:24] <f0x> ?
[12:24] <Marzata> bodhi sounds indian?
[12:25] <flaxo> Killuacba:  did you consider android for that :)
[12:25] <dekkz> no xubuntu is released yet, they where asking for amd64 testers as late as 2 days ago on xubuntu mailing list saying not enough testing done to be released
[12:25] <Killuacba> android for my laptop???
[12:26] <dekkz> bodhi is a us distro i run it on a 256mb p2 333 laptop lol
[12:26] <Alan> what do i need to do to help with testing?
[12:27] <Killuacba> the issue is that i need it in Spanish for my sister...
[12:28] <Marzata> she is from Fuerte?
[12:28] <Killuacba> im from argentina xD
[12:30] <Marzata> Killuacba: "Maradona by Kusturica" is a great movie.
[12:30] <Killuacba> xD
[12:32] <dekkz> the land of gaucho's big steak's and the hand of god ;)
[12:34] <Killuacba> yes it is
[12:35] <dekkz> and frey bentos lol
[12:36] <Marzata> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/ empty?
[12:39] <dekkz> if u say so
[12:49] <bogdan_> well no party here it seems
[12:49] <ikonia> no, the party is #ubuntu-release-party
[12:50] <pmo> i went to it last year.. didnt get the party part :P
[12:50] <bogdan_> no party for xubuntu yet i mean
[12:50] <bogdan_> ubuntu and kubuntu were released
[12:51] <n2diy> ikonia, any eta on the xubuntu release?
[12:52] <ikonia> no idea
[12:52] <ikonia> xubuntu and lubuntu don't seem to be prepped
[12:56] <pmo> hehe some user said i better upgrade to the beta if i wanted to upgrade right away
[12:56] <pmo> upgrading now.. doesnt take 100 years lol
[12:57] <pmo> done soon
[12:57] <Marzata> lubuntu is out
[12:58] <pmo> we are in xubuntu :)
[13:00] <n2diy> pmo, maybe they are releasing in alphabetical order?
[13:00] <pmo> n2diy: what do you mean?
[13:00] <pmo> xubuntu is out too
[13:00] <pmo> i am upgrading
[13:00] <n2diy> pmo, lubuntu comes before xubuntu.
[13:00] <pmo> hehe
[13:02] <Marzata> kubuntu is out too
[13:02] <pmo> arent they all out at once?
[13:02] <bogdan_> neh
[13:02] <pmo> seems like ubuntu and xubuntu were at the same time :P
[13:03] <astraljava> CD images != package archives. If you wanna talk about the new release, please take it to #xubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-release-party, this channel is for support.
[13:03] <n2diy> There wasn't any chat here until we started discussing the release!
[13:04] <astraljava> n2diy: Yes, but you don't know when support discussion might initiate. Thanks for your understanding.
[13:04] <Marzata> astraljava: are you germa?
[13:05] <astraljava> No.
[13:06] <SandJ> @n2diy this channel is usually fairly quiet at this time of day, but the odd support question does come in.
[13:08] <n2diy> Sandi, yes I know, I've been coming here for years, seeking and giving support. ah, but I'm off topic again!
[13:08] <SandJ> :-)
[13:10] <n2diy> Sandi, SandJ, sorry, can't read my own monitor.
[13:11] <pedza> where can i find xubuntu to download
[13:11] <pedza> the iso i mean
[13:13] <n2diy> pedza, 12.04? Not released yet.
[13:13] <xubuntu401> xubuntu have been changed download 12.04 to coming soon 12.04 without official date
[13:13] <pedza> :/
[13:14] <xubuntu401> yes, i agree
[13:14] <f0x> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/
[13:14] <f0x> i386 is avaialbe
[13:14] <pedza> excellent
[13:14] <pedza> thanks :)
[13:14] <pedza> i will be seeding
[13:14] <f0x> waiting for amd64
[13:15] <f0x> :P
[13:15] <xubuntu401> ant what about x64 ??
[13:15] <NameError> no http source yet?
[13:15] <f0x> nope
[13:15] <f0x> waiting :(
[13:15] <xubuntu401> thanks
[13:15] <NameError> behind a darn proxy. No torrents
[13:16] <Pici> !mirrors
[13:16] <Marzata> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ ... nothing
[13:18] <dekkz> get the torrent
[13:19] <Supp3rMario> Hi!
[13:19] <n2diy> Is Transmisson the torrent app?
[13:20] <dekkz> yes
[13:21] <Supp3rMario> anyone knows when 12.04 will be available?
[13:21] <dekkz> www.xubuntu.org down n out
[13:22] <xubuntu401> Supp > http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/
[13:22] <xubuntu401> only i386
[13:22] <Marzata> http://xubuntu.org/ is down
[13:23] <xubuntu401> web sites are changing of developers
[13:23] <Supp3rMario> ok, but it's painfully slow :)
[13:23] <xubuntu401> use torrent
[13:23] <Marzata> probably no electricity in .fi
[13:24] <Supp3rMario> i am using torrent
[13:25] <xubuntu401> supp> torrent me going 1Mb/s
[13:25] <xubuntu401> no electricity in  Finland, realy
[13:25] <koegs> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ is up
[13:26] <Supp3rMario> cant get over 200 kb/s ...
[13:26] <Marzata> yes. they import from Russia.
[13:28] <Alan> gah
[13:28] <xubuntu401> Marzata> Have you god info source
[13:28] <Alan> what idiot thought changing <Control> to <Primary> was a great idea?
[13:28] <Alan> i'm assuming somebody self-involved in the X.org project?
[13:28] <xubuntu401> sorry good
[13:28] <Marzata> Alan: yes?
[13:29] <Alan> it's just such a stupid "break everything" decision to make
[13:29] <Alan> not like it was broken before...
[13:30] <pedza> torrents going 100kib/s for me barely :/
[13:30] <Supp3rMario> same here
[13:31] <Supp3rMario> ratio is already 2.05 and an hour to go :D
[13:31] <Alan> heh
[13:31] <Alan> i'll just have to patiently wait for the amd64 ISO
[13:33] <Supp3rMario> how come that torrent was uploaded at morning but still no direct download?
[13:33] <pedza> there is
[13:33] <pedza> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/xubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[13:33] <Supp3rMario> forbidden...
[13:34] <pedza> gah
[13:34] <pleia2> please be patient, release days are always a bit crazy with mirror syncing and such
[13:34] <thermi> take the torrent
[13:35] <Supp3rMario> yeah no problem, just saying :)
[13:37] <pod> Can't wait for the release! As close as it's is now is as close that it's ever been!
[13:38] <xubuntu810> hello, what's the "approved" method of exporting xfce desktop settings across different computers (e.g. panel settings etc.) ?
[13:39] <ruien> I'm not sure if there's a better method, but the ~/.config directory doesn't seem to contain much absolute-path or user-specific information, and I've migrated it successfully in the path. You can grep for $HOME and $USER to see
[13:39] <ruien> err s/in the path/in the past/
[13:41] <Alan> you know what's awesome? having a local mirror of the repos
[13:41] <Alan> apt-mirror ftw
[13:42] <pod> Funny thing happend with xubuntu 11.10 the other day. The touchpad right click button started working! Then after the netbook suspended it stopped working and was just another left click button again...
[13:42] <Alan> i don't have to put up with the mirrors catching fire at a new release
[13:42] <Supp3rMario> wee! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[13:43] <Supp3rMario> damn it!
[13:43] <Alan> Supp3rMario: you're mean
[13:44] <Supp3rMario> lol why?
[13:44] <Alan> getting my hopes up?
[13:45] <Supp3rMario> yeah was banging my head against the wall too :P
[13:45] <xubuntu810> ruien: thanks, i grepped and there's no $USER present in any files
[13:45] <flaxo> -_-
[13:46] <Alan> you know what comes to mind right now? that awesome error page reddit has, with the "F5 hammer"
[13:46] <ruien> xubuntu810: yeah, between the same versions of xfce the main files should be portable, but you have to see where the theme and icon files are being pulled from and be sure they're present too. If there was a more official way to migrate, I'd be interested in that as well.
[13:47] <ruien> Alan: how much space does your apt-mirror take up? I have been considering that since downloads are slow from china, but I wasn't sure what sort of space requirements I'd run into
[13:47] <flaxo> so will you be my legal download today or will i have to look up some thing else?
[13:48] <Alan> ruien: one sec, i'll find out for you
[13:48] <xubuntu405> Why Xubuntu 12.04 LTS is supported only for 3 years? Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is supported for 5 years.
[13:48] <pod> Ubuntu has more money perhaps?
[13:49] <dekkz> typo?
[13:49] <mimoid> how does the debian project handle it
[13:49] <astraljava> xubuntu405: We have our own policies, different desktop environment upstream etc. This was under careful consideration.
[13:49] <Alan> xubuntu405: 5 years on server, 3 on desktop
[13:49] <Alan> IIRC
[13:49] <Alan> or did ubuntu bump desktop support to 5 years?
[13:49] <pod> 3 years is still very good i think
[13:49] <ruien> ubuntu bumpted desktop support to 5 years for 12.04, although I personally don't see the point (for server it certainly makes sense)
[13:50] <astraljava> pod: So right-click on touchpad only worked once?
[13:50] <mimoid> ruien: why don't you see the point? XP has been supported for a decade or so and people still use it. A lot of desktop users have Scientific Linux or CentOS for long term usae
[13:51] <astraljava> mimoid: Yes, community-supported projects vary. It happens.
[13:51] <xubuntu405> If I install Ubuntu 12.04 and then xfce-desktop package, will xfce-desktop -packebe be supported for 5 years?
[13:51] <pod> yeah, or for a while at least. even the holding down leftclick with one finger and draging a file with another finger worked for a while.
[13:51] <ruien> hmm, I guess because the "core" which need the security patches would usually be available on the server edition anyway. If sshd needs an update, you'll still get it.
[13:51] <mimoid> I'm wondering what xubuntu405 is saying
[13:51] <astraljava> pod: Are you planning to upgrade to precise anytime soon?
[13:52] <pod> to precies? i will upgrade to 12.04 as soon as i can :)
[13:52] <astraljava> xubuntu405: No, it's not Canonical-supported.
[13:53] <astraljava> pod: Yes, 12.04 is code-named precise pangolin. Ok, then I won't try to triage your touchpad problem. Please report back after the upgrade.
[13:54] <Alan> ruien: my apt-mirror is 182GB - that is {release}, {release}-updates and {release}-security for amd64 only, for every release from lucid to precise
[13:54] <pod> Ah, right. Thanks!
[13:54] <xubuntu405> I wish Xubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop support would be 5 years... 3 years is not enough for me :=)
[13:54] <Alan> pfft
[13:54] <Alan> 6 months is too long :p
[13:54] <ruien> Thanks Alan - my current "solution" is a shell script I threw together http://download.ryansanden.com/axel-get.sh
[13:54] <pleia2> xubuntu405: we could always use more volunteers to make 14.04 be an LTS :) (xubuntu is all volunteers)
[13:54] <pleia2> err, a 5 year LTS
[13:55] <Alan> ruien: interesting
[13:55] <Alan> and yeah, a 5-year support cycle is great... if you want a half-decade-old desktop that competes with CentOS
[13:56] <ruien> from china a single update can literally go at 5k/sec, but with axel you can still get an acceptable 100k or so
[13:56] <Alan> but having used CentOS, it's completely worthless as a desktop environment because everything is so unbelievably old
[13:56] <Supp3rMario> I like the LMDE idea :)
[13:56] <Alan> ruien: that doesn't sound fun...
[13:56] <Alan> ruien: what is axel?
[13:56] <ruien> sort of a command-line download accelerator
[13:57] <ruien> works well when you have high TCP latency but not high packet loss
[13:57] <dekkz> 5 year support is good for bug fixes but can understand xubuntu position
[13:58] <dekkz> ill just run xfce desktop package on top of ubuntu 12.04
[13:59] <xubuntu056> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/ final iso images
[13:59] <Alan> ruien: that sounds annoying to have to deal with
[13:59] <donavan01> how do I upgrade from beta to full LTS
[14:00] <astraljava> donavan01: Nothing special, as you update your system any other day.
[14:00] <ruien> Alan: yeah, the Internet in general is fine but maybe the china mirrors are just overloaded. Unfortunately there aren't any good command-line tools that I know of to help choose the best mirror. You have to use the GUI and I often run server edition
[14:00] <donavan01> didnt look like it updated ... how can I check to see if im still on beta?
[14:01] <Alan> ruien: why not hit a different mirror? or is going through the Great Firewall even slower?
[14:01] <astraljava> donavan01: You could try `lsb_release -a`, I think it may have said "Development release" or something while it was still non-final.
[14:01] <ruien> Great Firewall doesn't hurt anything at all. I will experiement with different mirrors for 12.04. Usually I just use my shell script and everything is fine, so that's been my solution for the last 2 years
[14:01] <astraljava> donavan01: But don't count on that. If you have up-to-date system today, it's final, no fear.
[14:02] <ruien> this time I'll probably do an apt-mirror though. 182GB is big but not too bad
[14:02] <ruien> i could throw that on one of my singapore servers
[14:02] <Alan> ruien: you don't need anywhere close to that amount
[14:02] <astraljava> ruien: Alan: Could you take that to -offtopic, please? Support questions will pick up now as people start installing from the final images. Thanks.
[14:02] <ruien> kk
[14:02] <Alan> ruien: like i said, 182GB is spread across 5 releases
[14:03] <donavan01> yep looks like im updated ... yay!!!
[14:03] <astraljava> Yep. :)
[14:03] <Alan> most packages i'll have 5 separate versions of because of that
[14:03] <Alan> astraljava: what final images? :P
[14:03]  * astraljava sighs
[14:04] <Alan> oh, there they are
[14:04] <Alan> magic!
[14:04] <bepebe> yay xubuntu is out :)
[14:04] <ruien> cheers!
[14:04] <Alan> oh, haha, except 404 on the image itself
[14:05] <bepebe> Alan: :(
[14:05] <ububuntu> bepebe: i cant find it ?
[14:05] <bepebe> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/xubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:05] <nishttal2> i still see Coming soon !!
[14:06] <bepebe> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[14:06] <Alan> ahahah
[14:06] <Supp3rMario> ok, going to install :P
[14:06] <Alan> people keep linking it
[14:06] <Marzata> Xubuntu is out! http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[14:06] <astraljava> Yeah, please be patient. Half the world is waiting for these images. It'll take some time until everyone's served.
[14:07] <Shayan> can i download it
[14:07] <Shayan> ?
[14:07] <Shayan> i talked to the devs but they said it is not synced yet
[14:07] <astraljava> Yes, so if you see them there, they're there. If not, then wait a little bit more.
[14:09] <Shayan> hey astraljava you were on the dev channel too
[14:10] <donavan01> im have a really weird issue I asked in the ubuntu forms and also on #ubuntu channel and no one seems to be able to track down this issue, aside from maybe it might have something to do with the fact that I am on DSL and the packet shaping is wrong or some craziness... when I try to go to certain sites I get the web browser (firefox and chrome)  timing out or saying the server reset the connection or some such Internet issue 
[14:11] <astraljava> donavan01: It happens occasionally. How often is this occurring on your system?
[14:11] <dekkz> thats the website hosting don, i get that too
[14:11] <dekkz> their caching setup
[14:13] <Alan> 0.5MB/s? disgracefully slow! :P
[14:13] <Shayan> pretty fast for me
[14:13] <donavan01> astraljava ... constantly for some sites almost never for other sites ... pastebin.com for instance I can go to the site but as soon as I hit the submit button it looks like its doing something then craps out ... other sites load up quickly with no issue... facebook is about 50/50 sometimes it works partway other times it craps out all together
[14:13] <Alan> on a good day it would take me a minute to download the image
[14:13] <Alan> unfortunately i'm inside a network where i can't torrent right now :(
[14:13] <dekkz> do u get it on all diff websites or just off the big popular ones
[14:13] <donavan01> alan... I remember geting 5kbps and thinking I was screaming fast
[14:13] <bepebe> Alan: yeah bloody work!
[14:14] <Shayan> alan:i have the top speed of 400kbps
[14:14] <Alan> i'm actually wondering if it would be faster to install deluge on my webserver, torrent the image, nand then download from there
[14:14] <Alan> yeah, i'm wondering if it's limited per-client
[14:14] <Alan> which would be awesome if it is
[14:14] <Alan> stop people like me killing the mirrors :P
[14:14] <Shayan> mine right now is 90 kbps
[14:15] <astraljava> Alan: Again, please take that talk to -offtopic or somewhere else, the support discussion is drowning into release chat which does not belong here.
[14:15] <ruien> i limited my download speed to 50k/sec and I'll just let it run overnight.
[14:15] <Shayan> ok
[14:15] <Alan> astraljava: sorry :(
[14:15] <donavan01> dekkz if you were talking to me it depends I have noticed to be pretty random I just noticed it mostly on those two sites because I use them alot
[14:15] <bepebe> 1.0MB/s a here ^_^
[14:16] <astraljava> donavan01: Okay, let me come back to that a little later, I've gotta go do some laundry, so I'll be back within the next 2 hours or so. Will you have time until that?
[14:16] <donavan01> I may I will try to say on im at work so just ping me if you see me I will answer
[14:17] <Shayan> how do i insert smileys(or sadies)
[14:17] <dekkz> don: i only see it on big sites like bbc facebook the ones that use the big caching sites, techs said it happens sometimes when the caching systems are under heavy load
[14:18] <donavan01> dekkz ... I could go with that except I can go two feet away and pull the same site up on my windows machine and it works flawlessly
[14:19] <Shayan> gtg gonna buy some empty CDs
[14:19] <bepebe> hi guys, I want to install it on a work laptop behind a proxy, i use export http_proxy "url:port" and am able to ping externally, but cannot access anything on the web browser, and package manager doesn't work ?
[14:20] <ruien> bepebe: easy, what OS are you on? do you have access to an SSH server?
[14:20] <dekkz> don: then its not same as me, i can rep across 3 machines/win + linux, mind u never come across an example like yours
[14:21] <Sysi> bepebe: you need to have that export in ~/.xinitrc or something
[14:21] <bepebe> be using 12.04, but same would apply for 11.10
[14:22] <Sysi> maybe ~/.xsession
[14:23] <bepebe> so I'll edit that on the livecd, and that should install any package update, restricted extras (mp3 etc) on the install
[14:24] <bepebe> ruien: i'll be installing from the livecd, no ssh server access
[14:24] <ruien> i'll pm you.
[14:32] <dekkz> lotsa support requests ;0
[14:33] <Sysi> well, reason for this channel to exist
[14:34] <drc> Je pense donc je suis....
[14:37] <dekkz> prolly pick up once the early adopters get their upgrades/DL's done
[14:38] <drc> nah, the real early adopters grabbed the daily from yesterday and just did a daily upgrade :)
[14:39] <dekkz>  mean beta monkeys ;)
[14:44] <dekkz> is updatemanager usually slow to pick up the new version on lauch day?
[14:44] <dekkz> launch
[14:45] <holstein> dekkz: ater you having an issue? the answer to your current question depends on several factors.. maybe we can just skip to what you need? you want to upgrade?
[14:45] <holstein> are you*
[14:46] <dekkz> im in no hurry was just wondering
[14:47] <dekkz> someone asked me on msn so i thought i would ask here
[14:48] <holstein> if the update manager is not configured to "take" version upgrades, it'll never "pick up the new version"
[14:48] <dekkz> ill get them to check
[14:50] <holstein> maybe http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2010/02/dist-upgrade-misnomer-confusion.html will help
[14:51] <dekkz> set to check for lts upgrades only but ive forwarded that link
[14:51] <holstein> dekkz: 10.10 wont go to 12.04... 11.04 wouldnt either.. AFAIK, you'd need to go one by one til you get to 12.04...
[14:52] <dekkz> theyre on 11.10
[14:53] <dekkz> told em to change to every release
[14:53] <holstein> dekkz: the command line upgrade command will work... other thatn that, we need screen shots, or we need to speculate about what is going on in some GUI... i say, link the command line commands
[14:53] <holstein> or wait, and do it for them
[14:53] <holstein> OR, just suggest that they not upgrade...
[14:54] <dekkz> yeah will prob go and do it myself at weekend hands on
[14:55] <holstein> best case scenario, they go through a long process to get improvments they wont notice or care about... its the "if it aint broke" approach
[14:56] <Joe89> Hello, what time is available to download Xubuntu 12.04 LTS? Thanks you :)
[14:58] <holstein> Joe89: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ might need to be patient as things "catch up"
[15:13] <Joe89> Hello, what time is available to download Xubuntu 12.04 LTS? Thanks you :)
[15:13] <koegs> Joe89: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[15:14] <Joe89> thanks you!!! :)
[15:15] <xubuntu310> yop!
[15:16] <blackris> Hmm... The x64 alternate torrent isn't working for me right now..
[15:18] <blackris> Now it works, great!
[15:18] <mneptok> blackris: issue with the tracker, it seems
[15:25] <xubuntu310> did anyone has tried it in a netbook so far?
[15:25] <Joe89> This is the final version: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/?
[15:25] <Joe89> also the Italian language installed?
[15:35] <Joe89> This is the final version: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/?
[15:35] <nishttal2> wow the download is soooo sloww
[15:35] <Supp3rMario> And xubuntu is installed :) How can i grant my name in here?
[15:36] <blackris> nishttal2, Torrent?
[15:36] <Joe89> supp3rmario: This is the final version: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/?
[15:37] <Supp3rMario> Joe89: I know...
[15:37] <nishttal2> blackris, no downloading from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[15:38] <Joe89> This link is not good? is the relase or beta? This is the final version: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/?
[15:39] <Supp3rMario> Why dont u use torrent? Much faster than regular download right now ;)
[15:40] <blackris> nishttal2, yep, there is the torrent version either. It could be faster. I get about 200 KiB/s with torrent.
[15:40] <boboddy> when is the amd64 version going up?
[15:40] <blackris> It IS up
[15:40] <nishttal2> blackris, where do i find the torrent version
[15:41] <boboddy> where?
[15:41] <blackris> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/xubuntu-12.04-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent
[15:41] <blackris> or
[15:41] <blackris> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/xubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[15:42] <blackris> Look at the link, regulary posted here. :)
[15:42] <boboddy> thanks
[16:01] <Marzata> so, no xubuntu today... :(
[16:02] <drc> says who?
[16:03] <Supp3rMario> can i use awn in xubuntu too?
[16:04] <blackris> It won't run without compiz.
[16:05] <blackris> But when you enable that, AWN will do it.
[16:05] <blackris> But Xubuntu comes with a nice stock dock.
[16:06] <Supp3rMario> that gray thing?
[16:06] <blackris> Yup
[16:07] <astraljava> Marzata: The images are there, we've had this conversation many times already. Please move to the other channels for that topic if you're still unhappy about it. It's not relevant here.
[16:08] <Marzata> astraljava: thank you for the images.
[16:09] <astraljava> I had nothing to do with them. :)
[16:11] <Supp3rMario> So if I install compiz, the awn works fine?
[16:11] <Supp3rMario> damn ubuntu and gnome! :D
[16:15] <blackris> Supp3rMario, I don't know if it works trouble-free. Never tried. Use some Google-Fu. ;)
[16:20] <k_sze> Still waiting for my amd64 desktop torrent files. XD
[16:20] <k_sze> Or shall I do an online upgrade?
[16:20] <donavan01> whats a good packet sniffing tool I need to trace down a network issue
[16:21] <astraljava> donavan01: wireshark, tcpdump
[16:21] <donavan01> thanks
[16:22] <knome> !precise
[16:25] <xubuntu943> hmmm CLICK HERE during install actually does work
[16:25] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[16:26]  * xubuntu943 's not sure you are alive
[16:26] <GridCube> xubuntu943, it should :P
[16:27]  * xubuntu943 doesn't trust his eyes
[16:27] <Schrodinger`Cat> ho i can move an windows to another virtual desktop with an netbook keyboard ? alt ctrl end, and alt ctrl home, i dont see it in my netbook keyboard... thanks by advance
[16:28] <GridCube> alt-ctrl-fn-end?
[16:28] <GridCube> you "should" have a fn key
[16:29] <Schrodinger`Cat> yes :)
[16:29] <Schrodinger`Cat> thanks
[16:29] <Schrodinger`Cat> and for to do changing this key assignation ?
[16:29] <Schrodinger`Cat> i can change ?
[16:29] <GridCube> keymaping
[16:29] <GridCube> !keymap
[16:29] <GridCube> !keymaping
[16:29] <GridCube> mmm no
[16:31] <GridCube> well, google keymaping and you will get a few millon sites that explain you how to do that
[16:31] <knome> GridCube, that little? :(
[16:31] <GridCube> :( yes, just a few
[16:32] <astraljava> Well even so, googling isn't the method we advertise on support. I'll fire up the virtual machine in a minute, Schrodinger`Cat, so if you have a few minutes I'll walk you through.
[16:33] <Schrodinger`Cat> thanks
[16:33] <Schrodinger`Cat> im here
[16:33] <Schrodinger`Cat> all the evening :)
[16:34] <donavan01> does anyone know if there is some issue with the ath9k drivers that would cause intermittent network issues?
[16:37] <astraljava> Schrodinger`Cat: Ok, so you go to main menu, and select Settings > Settings Manager.
[16:38] <astraljava> You have a list of different things you can tweak. Select Window Manager.
[16:38] <Schrodinger`Cat> ok
[16:39] <astraljava> On there you have the Keyboard tab. That lists all the defaults. Scroll down until you see the one you want to change, then double-click on the "cell" that holds the explanation.
[16:39] <astraljava> You will be presented a dialog in which you can then press the desired combo.
[16:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> :)
[16:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> thanks thanks :)p
[16:40] <astraljava> NP.
[16:41] <donavan01> do I need to change my kernel to be able to capture packets on my computer it does xubuntu do this as a defualt
[16:42] <astraljava> donavan01: I don't think you need to make any changes. Are you experiencing problems with the aforementioned apps?
[16:42]  * Marzata seeding ... 
[16:43] <donavan01> still reading up on them ... getting ready to watch my wifi connection in hopes of figuring out why my computer keeps droping half my internet activity
[16:45] <astraljava> donavan01: Right. LP might have bug reports for that driver, worth a shot.
[16:46] <donavan01> crap... wireshark tells me I have no device to capture on
[16:46] <donavan01> LP?
[16:47] <GridCube> launchpad
[16:47] <Sysi> donavan01: please tell output of uname -a and your wifi chip model (check that from output of lspci)
[16:48] <Sysi> ah, some atheros
[16:48] <astraljava> donavan01: You may have to run wireshark with gksudo to make the devices visible.
[16:50] <Sysi> if you got new chip, drivers may just be bad
[16:54] <saitax> hello
[16:56] <donavan01> astraljava ... thanks that did it
[16:57] <knome> hullo
[17:01] <AlexS_> I,ve been having problems with beta 2 (ubuntu) not booting because of b43 firmware does this bug persist in the final release?
[17:01] <saitax> i have a question i want to update my xubuntu to 12.04. but if i checked the packets which will be installed. but there is unity. i think it will upgrade to ubuntu. not xubuntu, how i want.
[17:01] <saitax> how can i do it?
[17:02] <GridCube> if it wasnt reported before, probably yes AlexS_
[17:02] <AlexS_> it was reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/b43-fwcutter/+bug/909871
[17:02] <GridCube> saitax, i would do a clean update
[17:02] <knome> saitax, are you running ubuntu or xubuntu?
[17:02] <saitax> xbuntu
[17:02] <saitax> xubuntu
[17:02] <saitax> you boot from disk or usb
[17:02] <saitax> und upgrade it
[17:03] <Sysi> saitax: have xubuntu-desktop installed and ubuntu-desktop not installed
[17:03] <saitax> ?
[17:03] <saitax> i work with xfce
[17:03] <saitax> ^^
[17:03] <knome> saitax, have you installed the ubuntu-desktop package before?
[17:03] <saitax> no
[17:03] <knome> saitax, alacarte?
[17:03] <GridCube> its proably there yet AlexS_
[17:04] <AlexS_> ok thanx
[17:04] <saitax> no
[17:04] <saitax> but i dont know what you mean with alacarte?
[17:04] <GridCube> its a menu editor
[17:05] <knome> saitax, have you installed alacarte the menu editor?
[17:05] <GridCube> saitax, last time i did a dist-upgrade it also upgraded me to ubuntu instead of only xubuntu, i dont know how that works
[17:05] <GridCube> and i dont know if that ever got fixed or what
[17:05] <saitax> no i havent
[17:05] <saitax> i do install it now
[17:05] <knome> saitax, don't
[17:05] <knome> saitax, i was just asking because we had a bug that installed unity if you installed alacarte
[17:05] <saitax> but i think update by cd ist better solution
[17:06] <knome> probably, the mirrors are under heavy load today
[17:06] <saitax> torrent
[17:06] <saitax> i have it
[17:06] <saitax> ^
[17:06] <knome> well, those too
[17:07] <saitax> knome do you want to wich packets i have installed because of the unity bug
[17:07] <knome> saitax, nah. i think the best idea would be to purge unity and try the upgrade again
[17:08] <saitax> kk
[17:08] <knome> saitax, i mean, if you don't need unity of course.
[17:08] <saitax> i check it in a virutal machine now
[17:10] <ububuntu> im new to xubuntu , do i need separat partition for boot ?
[17:11] <GridCube> if you wish so
[17:12] <GridCube> i do have separated /home though
[17:12] <GridCube> i think that should be a "must"
[17:12] <Sysi> you don't need several partitions on any regular linuxdistro
[17:12] <ububuntu> what /home or boot ?
[17:12] <Sysi> GridCube: I prefer partition for just data
[17:13] <Sysi> old settings mess up stuff
[17:13] <knome> ububuntu, you only need one partition if you are installing xubuntu only (no dual-boot or so)
[17:13] <GridCube> :P i have a partition for / and one for /home so when i reinstall my /home is safe
[17:13] <ububuntu> if i put / on sdb1 ,boot on sda1 and /home and swap on sda2 & 3
[17:13] <GridCube> ububuntu, that should work :)
[17:14] <knome> ububuntu, no, you don't need another partition for /boot
[17:14] <GridCube> i think the keyword here is "need"
[17:14] <Sysi> it may be needed for some raid setups
[17:15] <GridCube> he doesnt _needs_ it, but if he _wants_ it, that wouldnt harm
[17:15] <ububuntu> it wil be only xubuntu on hd ? i ask pga  i have 320hdd + 20gb ssd (hybrid) and ssd is on sdb
[17:16] <ububuntu> its acer aspire S3
[17:16] <Sysi> there's not any need for separate partition for /boot
[17:17] <ububuntu> can i boot from sda and have / on sdb ?
[17:18] <Artemis3> yes but use uuid
[17:18] <Artemis3> its better
[17:19] <ububuntu> ok thx
[17:19] <Sysi> xubuntu uses uuid in fstab by default
[17:19] <Artemis3> the install process will do this automatically
[17:25] <forestpiskie> my google fu has failed me - is there a way to get a wallpaper across 2 monitors - monitors all setup with arandr and working fine
[17:33] <knome> forestpiskie, no, not one image to several monitors afaik
[17:33] <forestpiskie> k - thanks knome :)
[17:33] <knome> forestpiskie, that's why the default wallpaper was shipped in two pieces
[17:34] <forestpiskie> thought so :)
[17:34] <forestpiskie> good planning there
[17:34] <knome> heh, thanks
[17:34] <knome> astraljava, there's your answer ^
[17:35] <astraljava> Thankee. forestpiskie: Even the blind hen sometimes finds the grain. :)
[17:35] <forestpiskie> astraljava: indeed they do :)
[17:37] <forestpiskie> knome: once QQ is up I will come see you all in -dev to see what I can do to help, did some with pangolin - but not as much as I hoped - as long as it doesn't involve voodoo
[17:37] <knome> ;)
[17:52] <donavan01> can somone tell me if there is a way to increase the the wait time that firefox waits for a packet ... im thinking I keep dropping connection to sites because its taking a little loner than it should
[17:53] <knome> donavan01, if you are referring to the ubuntu servers, just be patient
[17:53] <knome> donavan01, the servers are under huge loads
[17:54] <donavan01> no ... I am having a weird issue with ubuntu where it seems that about half of my network traffic dies a horrible death somewhere along the lines and cause a number of sites to crap out
[17:54] <Artemis3> donavan01, i belive so, let me remember
[17:56] <Artemis3> donavan01, see in about:config network
[17:56] <Artemis3> donavan01, there are some timeout settings
[17:58] <donavan01> well that did nothing ... guess that inst the problem
[18:01] <donavan01> how to I reset my wireless addresss I set it to manual and entered the addresses but it isnt using that address it is still using the dhcp address
[18:03] <donavan01> ok reboot it is then
[18:12] <satch5150> i'm fairly certain I'm having hardware issues but not sure where to ask this question so here goes - My computer seems to lock up with my soundcard in it, which is an x-fi elite pro pci (not pcie) card, my mobo is an asus sabertooth with uefi bios and my cpu is an zambezi am3+ ..... im using xubuntu 12.04 bets 2 (ok, yea, I didnt think of it before asking but that could be the problem), but assuming the beta is not the prob, what coul
[18:12] <satch5150> d it be ?
[18:15] <satch5150> any suggestions would be greatly appreciated ..... I would like to not buy additional hardware, at least not without some reasonable assurance that its going to work and i'm not going to get the same problems
[18:16] <astraljava> satch5150: IRQ conflicts came to mind, but I am not sure whether they could completely lock up a whole computer.
[18:18] <satch5150> it actually doesn't technically lock up, when booting up in recovery mode, first thing it says is that cpu #n (it is different ones at different times) is stuck, something about a soft lockup, then it keeps repeating messages about udevd and trying to shutdown udisk process after it trys to modprobe some long pci hex address
[18:18] <satch5150> I can't really cut and paste the errors or I would
[18:20] <f0x> and amd64 2?
[18:20] <satch5150> yes
[18:21] <satch5150> its an 8core am3+ cpu
[18:21] <satch5150> and yes the xubuntu is the amd64 version
[18:22] <satch5150> other than those repeating messages the computer does appear to be unresponsive
[18:23] <Artemis3> satch5150, if you take out that sound card, everything works?
[18:23] <satch5150> that's with the x-fi in, take it and yes, it appears to be fine
[18:23] <Artemis3> satch5150, can you try this card in another machine? with a livecd perhaps?
[18:24] <astraljava> Artemis3: Or another PCI card slot?
[18:24] <astraljava> Sorry, meant for satch5150 of course.
[18:24] <Artemis3> i doubt that would help much but it doesnt hurt trying
[18:24] <Artemis3> another machine would be better
[18:24] <Artemis3> eg with intel chipset, to discard faulty hardware
[18:25] <Artemis3> if it works it could be compatibility issue, which "might" be solved with a bios setting or update
[18:25] <satch5150> Artemis, no, unfortunately I dont have access to anything else to try it in at the moment
[18:26] <Artemis3> satch5150, there is a chance the card is bad... would be good if you can test it somewhere
[18:27] <Artemis3> unless it works perfecly in another os... then is a software issue
[18:28] <satch5150> well, I had it on a differnet board, it went bad (or so I thought, in retrospect, wonder now if it could have been the card) - but this was just like a month ago before I started having issues with the board
[18:29] <satch5150> I thought the card was working, but the symptoms were similar to what's going now
[18:29] <satch5150> so in retrospect, yea, bad soundcard maybe :)
[18:30] <i__> can someone send me their /etc/fonts/fonts.conf?
[18:30] <i__> for 12.04
[18:33] <astraljava> i__: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/fonts.conf
[18:35] <i__> astraljava: thanks!
[19:13] <tnorris> what's the cmd line option to upgrade to 12.04?
[19:14] <mneptok> tnorris: from what release?
[19:14] <tnorris> 11.10
[19:14] <mneptok> tnorris: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:15] <tnorris> hrm... do-release-upgrade says there's nothing to upgrade
[19:15] <knome> mneptok, dist-upgrade isn't needed
[19:15] <mneptok> knome: can't hurt.
[19:15] <knome> mneptok, and actually, it might install unity and such :(
[19:15] <knome> mneptok, well, can, in xubuntu
[19:16] <mneptok> knome: i dist-upgrade every single day.
[19:16] <Unit193> Same.
[19:16] <knome> well, that might pull in unity, but i don't care if it does on your machine ;]
[19:16] <mneptok> knome: that's the only way to get new kernels.
[19:16] <knome> tnorris, try 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' then
[19:17] <tnorris> knome: same - "No new release found"
[19:17] <tnorris> (and I did update)
[19:17] <knome> did you do upgrade too?
[19:17] <tnorris> yeah
[19:17] <knome> weird...
[19:17] <knome> and dist-upgrade then? ;)
[19:18] <tnorris> I was getting this strange BADSIG problem this morning, for which I had to run "apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True"
[19:18] <tnorris> bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/24061
[19:19] <tnorris> but don't know if that has anything to do with the problem
[19:25] <r3dl0c> I'm having a problem since upgrading to 12.04. xfdesktop, Thunar, and compiz will not run on users that authenticate through winbind.  Any ideas?
[19:28] <tnorris> knome: might have an idea why. if the release hasn't been pushed to the US mirror yet, then it probably wouldn't show up if my sources were pointing to it, would it?
[19:32] <donavan01> I was wondering if someone knew how to fix this issue... I use mutiple networks and for one of the networks I have to manually set the MTU to 1492 rather than auto.... the other networks seem to work fine with the auto setting... I can use the network manager to do this as it doesnt seem to actually change the MTU if I do a sudo ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1492 then it changes ... but if im not mistaken doesnt this change it for all c
[19:37] <berkeley> Does anyone know where I can _securely_ (e.g. via https) download hashes for the latest 12.04 release?
[19:39] <pleia2> berkeley: I don't think we're serving via https at this time
[19:39] <pleia2> if you're uncertain, you can compare the hash you get from one mirror with another
[19:39] <berkeley> alright, thanks
[19:39] <berkeley> I'm pretty sure that it's okay
[19:40] <berkeley> I'm just mildly security paranoid
[19:40] <mneptok> berkeley: we already knew. the monitors work.
[19:40] <berkeley> :)
[19:40]  * mneptok pans and zooms
[19:42] <Unit193> Torrents should help that...
[19:42] <drc> Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the bastards aren't out to get you...could you please look directly into the monitor please?
[19:55] <airlynx> how do I collect a backtrace if apport crashes along with xfce?  ps x displays almost nothing after the crash but I am able to operate in tty mode.  There is nothing listed in /var/crash.  I am using 12.04
[20:36] <magarwal> hi i downdloaded the 64bit version of 12.04 and tried to install but the installer itself failed after 15-20 mins
[20:36] <magarwal> i tried with the alternate install CD but same result.. (this time it went a little further)
[20:36] <drc> WFM (tm) :)
[20:36] <knome> magarwal, any more information on the failures?
[20:37] <magarwal> in the alternate install version it failed at the Install software step (before the isntall grub loader)
[20:37] <magarwal> i tried to bypass the install software to install grub loader but got the same error!
[20:39] <drc> Could you possibly tell us the error or must we play 20 questions?
[20:40] <magarwal> drc, i am installing it again, and will tell the error once i see it again
[20:41] <Max_> whoops! was going to complain about not finding any download links to 12.04 (the banner thing still says coming soon)
[20:41] <knome> magarwal, also, just to make sure, do you have a 64-bit processor?
[20:41] <Max_> guess I was wrong!
[20:41] <knome> Max_, must be some caching somewhere along the way
[20:41] <nmittal> knome, yes.. (this is magarwal)
[20:42] <knome> nmittal, good
[20:42] <nmittal> knome, its a 65-bit machine that has been running Ubuntu 10.10 65-bit for more than 6 months no problem
[20:42] <Max_> Im really limited on net - can anyway tell me the size of the ISO?
[20:42] <nmittal> knome, 64-bit i mean :-p
[20:42] <knome> Max_, it's about 700MB
[20:43] <Max_> sweet! Should fit on CD just fine!
[20:43] <knome> Max_, yes, that's the idea... :)
[20:43] <knome> Max_, any xubuntu image should fit a 700MB CD
[20:44] <Max_> right! Just that, y'know , what with Ubuntu moving on with Unity and I think I read someplace that Xubuntu was trying to get Unity compatible with this version - thought I'd ask
[20:44] <P0bailey> great job guys!!!!!!!
[20:44] <Max_> since Unity is a monster on my poor p4
[20:45] <Max_> last question before I'm out of your hair - is there a way to get this thing booting off of USB? An instruction page perhaps for Xubuntu?
[20:45] <nmittal> knome.. the weird thing is that even "try ubuntu
[20:45] <nmittal> didnt work
[20:46] <drc> Max_: Booting as in installing or booting as in running off the USB?
[20:46] <knome> P0bailey, thanks :)
[20:46] <knome> nmittal, weird. which version have you been using then?
[20:47] <nmittal> i had ubuntu 10.10 64 bit before i dicided to wipe out my machine and install 12.04 Xubuntu :(
[20:47] <Max_> drc, bootinas in running off the USB? (well having the option to install would be sweet too - is that possible? like an Ubuntu LiveCD except off of a USB?)
[20:47] <Max_> *booting
[20:47] <Max_> sorry it's been a long day
[20:48] <drc> Max_: Yes it's possible, that's how I installed it
[20:49] <knome> nmittal, yeah, i'm afraid there might have been some driver changes meanwhile... maybe check what your graphics card + ubuntu says in google or so, and see if other people have had problems too and solved them
[20:49] <nmittal> knome.. i thought so too (bcoz i remember installing 10.10 wasnt easy either).. but alternate install is not graphical to start with ..rt?
[20:50] <knome> nmittal, yeah, alternate install avoids graphical installer, but it's not a good sign that you can't even use the live cd :/
[20:51] <nmittal> knome live cd would use the noveau driver.. rt?
[20:51] <knome> nmittal, i think that's it...
[20:52] <nmittal> yeah that wont work with my nvidia card
[20:52] <nmittal> knome, but again thats why i am doing alternate install
[20:52] <knome> nmittal, yeah. once you get to the error (or, let's hope you don't!), just tell us what it is and we can try to troubleshoot
[20:53] <nmittal> knome thanks will appreciate that
[20:53] <knome> np
[20:53] <nmittal> knome, although looks like its gone further this time
[20:53] <knome> yeah, let's hope it installs
[20:53] <nmittal> knome the only difference is that i manually partitioned this time
[20:54] <knome> mmh, sounds weird though that it would make the system installable
[20:54] <nmittal> knome, it installed !!!!
[20:55] <knome> great :) have fun
[20:55] <nmittal> knome, now how do I install my propreitory NVIDIA driver?
[20:55] <knome> nmittal, use jockey
[20:55] <nmittal> knome, before i reboot?
[20:55] <knome> nmittal, or after
[20:56] <knome> nmittal, jockey-text if you only get to console at all
[20:56] <nmittal> knome, whats jockey
[20:56] <knome> nmittal, otherwise i think it should give you a notification to start the jockey GUI
[20:56] <nmittal> knome, i am at the last installation screen rt now.. "Installation complete" what should i do now
[20:56] <knome> nmittal, jockey is the tool to install propietary drivers in ubuntu
[20:57] <knome> nmittal, try to boot and see what happens - even if the GPU driver fails, you should be able to get to console :)
[20:57] <nmittal> knome, but the nvidia driver requires that X is not running
[20:57] <knome> nmittal, jockey will be able to install it, you just need to reboot after that
[20:58] <nmittal> i see
[20:58] <nmittal> knome, in absence of nvidia driver all i get is a blinking curser at the top left corner of the screen
[20:58] <nmittal> and it stays there forever
[20:59] <knome> nmittal, well, you can of course try to run jockey now, if you can.
[20:59] <knome> nmittal, when the cursor blinks, try to get to other tty's (ctrl+alt+f2 for example)
[21:00] <nmittal> knome.. after reboot... its not even loading grub.. sitting at the last step after bios
[21:00] <knome> :/
[21:00] <nmittal> knome, "Dell Inc MPT boot ROM successfully installed"
[21:00] <nmittal> knome,  and no disk activity
[21:01] <knome> hmh
[21:01] <knome> nmittal, i had problems with wife's laptop and 12.04, updating bios worked wonders
[21:03] <nmittal> but why woudl grub not load :-/
[21:04] <tnorris> anyone know eta on when mirrors will sync to US?
[21:04] <knome> tnorris, no idea, just have to wait
[21:04] <tnorris> cool
[21:05] <knome> IdleOne, he's back ! :)
[21:06] <nmittal> knome.. what do i do now.. stuck!
[21:06] <knome> nmittal, hmph. can you boot anything?
[21:06] <nmittal> knome, no its not doing anything after the bios
[21:11] <tiopere> hey ther
[21:11] <tiopere> e
[21:11] <knome> hullo
[21:11] <knome> nmittal, weird :/
[21:11] <knome> nmittal, i have to say i'm out of ideas at this point...
[21:11] <knome> nmittal, maybe a bios update would definitely help
[21:12] <Unit193> Was grub for sure installed?
[21:12] <tiopere> what's wrong?
[21:14] <nmittal> Unit193, tiopere so the xubuntu 12.04 installation went fine (including installing the grub boot loader) but when i reboot.. i am stuck at the computer start screen and grub is not starting
[21:15] <nmittal> knome, the bios update i got from Dell is an .exe file!!!
[21:15] <knome> nmittal, mmh. i think the bios update i used was something similar, just had to "install" that to an usb drive or something..
[21:16] <nmittal> knome, ok worth a try
[21:16] <panzon_> hi
[21:17] <knome> hullo
[21:18] <panzon_> I updated my nvidia driver and now I can not seen anything I mean... xubuntu starts I can get in with ctrl + alt  F4
[21:18] <tiopere> My old computer is downloading the new version 12.04.
[21:18] <tiopere> he's saying "1 hour and 12 minutes left"
[21:18] <panzon_> but I can not see my old xcfe
[21:18] <tiopere> Am I getting into a mess?
[21:18] <tiopere> with that version?
[21:19] <panzon_> do you know how can I uninstall my invidia driver?
[21:19] <knome> panzon_, if you used the nvidia-settings too, it will have created Xorg.conf, you should be able to change the driver name there
[21:19] <panzon_> yes but I don't know the name of the last driver
[21:19] <knome> tiopere, most installations/upgrades go well
[21:19] <panzon_> ...
[21:20] <panzon_> actually I also make an upgrade
[21:20] <knome> panzon_, iirc, that's nv
[21:20] <panzon_> I thought that maybe an upgrade should resolve my problem
[21:21] <panzon_> do you know if exist a form to reinstall all xcfe
[21:21] <panzon_> or my problem is other?
[21:21] <tiopere> I hope so, I can not wait to try it
[21:22] <knome> panzon_, as i said, edit Xorg.conf
[21:25] <panzon_> but what do I have to write there?
[21:25] <knome> change the driver to "nv"
[21:27] <nmittal> knome, Unit193 ,tiopere... so i have manged to get a live session going.. is there a way i can now fix GRUB?
[21:28] <panzon_> now I have "nvidia"
[21:29] <knome> panzon_, yeah, that's the propietary driver. nv is the basic 2d driver, nouveau is the 3d open source driver with some acceleration.
[21:29] <panzon_> and then I should reboot?
[21:30] <knome> panzon_, yeah
[21:30] <knome> !grub | nmittal
[21:30] <knome> nmittal, that should give you some insight on how to fix it, *if* it's installed...
[21:37] <nmittal> knome.. i am going to try the repair option from the installer.. hopefully that'll fix
[21:37] <knome> nmittal, fingers crossed
[21:38] <nmittal> yeah.. this is my work machine.. and i cant be offline like this :(
[21:40] <tiopere> panzon_ I've found that "$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[21:40] <tiopere> it seems it will restore x.org file
[21:45] <xubuntu570> hi xubuntu
[21:45] <knome> hey
[21:45] <xubuntu570> has anyone had issues upgrading to 12.04 (pkgProblemResolver errors)?
[21:48] <nmittal> knome/.. that fixed it... so now i have a desktop
[21:49] <nmittal> knome but jockey-gtk is not running
[21:49] <knome> nmittal, great! :)
[21:49] <knome> nmittal, try running jockey-text from a terminal
[21:50] <nmittal> knome, same error.. Downloading package indexes failed.. please check your network status.. Most drivers will not be available
[21:50] <nmittal> knome.. but i am online.. can browse yahoo for example
[21:50] <knome> nmittal, hmm. probably errors in loading the packages
[21:51] <knome> nmittal, try sudo apt-get update and then retry
[21:51] <knome> xubuntu570, can you elaborate on the issue, when do you get the error, does it stop you from doing something, what, etc.
[21:52] <nmittal> knome, ..when i try sudo apt-get update.. it throws a bunch of errors and advises to run apt-get update to fix :).. cyclical
[21:52] <nmittal> knome.. Ign cdrom://Xubuntu 12.04....
[21:53] <nmittal> W: Duplicate sources....
[21:53] <xubuntu570> thanks knome, sure thing: when i do a do-release-upgrade (im on 11.10 atm) it runs through some stuff but eventually drops out with:
[21:53] <xubuntu570> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:  E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be  caused by held packages.
[21:53] <knome> nmittal, hmm, comment out the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:54] <xubuntu570> ive removed all external ppas
[21:54] <nmittal> knome www.pastebin.com/XS4upvHi
[21:54] <knome> xubuntu570, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[21:54] <nmittal> knome thats all it has..  5 cdrom: lines
[21:55] <panzon_> tiopere: thank you but now I have no access to the terminal.... I changed many things
[21:55] <panzon_> I think that I should reinstall everything
[21:56] <knome> nmittal, huh. :)
[21:56] <nmittal> knome.. bug?
[21:56] <xubuntu570> knome, thanks ill give that a try ..
[21:56] <knome> nmittal, you probably had no internet during installation
[21:56] <nmittal> knome.. i did
[21:57] <nmittal> knome.. is this fixable?
[21:57] <knome> nmittal, well, the installer thought i didn't, i suppose
[21:57] <knome> nmittal, yeah, just a sec
[21:58] <knome> nmittal, try this tool: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[21:58] <knome> nmittal, or enable the repositories via a package manager, like synaptic, if you can run one
[21:59] <knome> panzon_, after what you have no access to terminal?
[22:00] <nmittal> knome yeah that did it
[22:00] <xubuntu570> knome - thanks! looks good -- gonna shut everything else down and continue
[22:01] <xubuntu570> cheers!
[22:01] <knome> xubuntu570, good luck :)
[22:01] <knome> nmittal, great
[22:01] <nmittal> knome apt-get updating now
[22:01] <nmittal> knome nvidia driver is next
[22:01] <nmittal> knome.. wow that was tricky.. thanks a lot
[22:01] <knome> nmittal, :)
[22:01] <knome> nmittal, no problem
[22:04] <xubuntu520> switched from ubuntu 10.04 to xubuntu 12.04 today, totally worth it! \o/
[22:05] <knome> xubuntu520, good to hear it, enjoy
[22:12] <tiopere> bad, the installation has failed. It is saying: error fetching files "..... and the file" A lot of errors like this I'm sad
[22:13] <tiopere> I'll try again tomorrow
[22:13] <knome> tiopere, can you pastebin the errors?
[22:13] <knome> right, good luck then :)
[22:13] <tiopere> sorry, not
[22:13] <tiopere> they are in other PC
[22:14] <knome> yeah, np
[22:14] <tiopere> but if you want I can try it now
[22:14] <knome> hope you'll get it installed
[22:14] <knome> sure, i can try to troubleshoot with you :)
[22:15] <tiopere> i've started the installation again
[22:18] <tiopere> downloading packages
[22:19] <tiopere> ok, i've got the same error
[22:19] <knome> !pastebin
[22:19] <knome> start from the *first* error, that's most important usually
[22:21] <tiopere> failed to fetch http//es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/enchant/enchant_1..6.0-7_i386.deb
[22:21] <tiopere> I will try it in the other PC (I will join there)
[22:22] <knome> tiopere, a-ha
[22:26] <tiopere_2> done
[22:26] <tiopere_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/948413/
[22:29] <knome> tiopere, you are upgrading?
[22:32] <tiopere_2> yes
[22:32] <knome> tiopere, okay
[22:32] <knome> tiopere, run synaptic package manager
[22:32] <tiopere_2> I've posted screenshoot
[22:33] <tiopere_2> in imgebin
[22:33] <knome> tiopere, i suppose i know what the issue is - let's change your archive mirror :)
[22:33] <tiopere_2> http://imagebin.org/209890
[22:34] <tiopere_2> synapctic started
[22:35] <knome> tiopere, now go to settings -> repositories
[22:36] <tiopere_2> I'm there
[22:36] <knome> tiopere, there is a setting "download from" along with a dropdown box
[22:36] <knome> tiopere, select "main server"
[22:36] <tiopere_2> yeah
[22:36] <knome> then close the dialog and synaptic
[22:36] <knome> and run 'sudo apt-get update'
[22:37] <knome> then retry upgrading
[22:40] <tiopere_2> sudo stoped with this las line:
[22:40] <tiopere_2> 90% [Conectando a es.archive.ubuntu.com (150.214.5.135)]
[22:40] <tiopere_2> now I've more messages
[22:42] <knome> tiopere, can you pastebin again :)
[22:42] <slavik262> are other people seeing a white font on a light gray background in GTK apps when using the Albatross theme in today's 12.04 release?
[22:42] <knome> slavik262, that's possible, albatross isn't really optimized for gtk3 :/
[22:42] <tiopere_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/948443/
[22:43] <knome> tiopere, did you close synaptic? you should
[22:43] <slavik262> knome: is there any currently known fix? I'm encountering the similar issues to this: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5118/screenshot0419201207002.png
[22:44] <knome> slavik262, no, not really except "use another theme"
[22:44] <tiopere_2> ah, ah, nope, sorry
[22:44] <knome> tiopere, np :)
[22:45] <slavik262> knome: but I like that one :P Is there anywhere I should submit a ticket to try to resolve the issue?
[22:45] <knome> slavik262, unfortunately, it's known
[22:46] <knome> slavik262, a gtk3 update will probably hit precise via some SRU
[22:46] <knome> slavik262, well, maybe not even "probably", but maybe, we're working on it
[22:46] <slavik262> thanks much
[22:46] <knome> slavik262, portning greybird to work with gtk3 was more work we expected
[22:46] <knome> slavik262, np
[22:47] <knome> slavik262, follow  https://github.com/shimmerproject/Albatross
[22:47] <knome> slavik262, and you'll get the latest updates directly
[22:47] <slavik262> excellent. Thanks again
[22:47] <knome> no problem :)
[22:49] <knome> tiopere, now that you closed synaptic, how does it look?
[22:50] <tiopere_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/948456/
[22:50] <tiopere_2> fewer errors than before
[22:50] <knome> tiopere, okay, now press alt+f2
[22:50] <knome> tiopere, and run 'gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list'
[22:51] <tiopere_2> done
[22:51] <knome> tiopere, in the file comment out the lines with urls with es.archive...
[22:52] <knome> tiopere, commenting works by adding a # in the beginning of a lint
[22:52] <knome> *line
[22:52] <knome> then, save the file
[22:52] <knome> and run 'sudo apt-get update' again
[22:57] <tiopere_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/948483/
[22:57] <tiopere_2> the original file
[22:58] <knome> tiopere, yeah, comment lines 36 and 37
[22:58] <knome> tiopere, ...and 26-29
[22:58] <knome> tiopere, oh no, this is the ORIGINAL original file :)
[22:59] <tiopere_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/948485/
[22:59] <tiopere_2> the modified one
[22:59] <tiopere_2> seems correct to you now?
[23:00] <knome> actually not :/
[23:00] <knome> seems like the change you did in synaptic didn't take effect
[23:00] <knome> just a sec
[23:02] <tiopere_2> http://imagebin.org/209900
[23:03] <knome> tiopere, take a backup of your sources.list to be sure, then replace it with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/948496/
[23:03] <knome> tiopere, yeah, but that didn't for some reason work :/
[23:03] <knome> tiopere, should be more like the paste
[23:03] <knome> you can alternatively
[23:03] <knome> replace es.archive.ubuntu.com with archive.ubuntu.com
[23:03] <knome> that works too :)
[23:09] <tiopere_2> sorry mate, I can't modify the file
[23:10] <tiopere_2> no permission
[23:10] <knome> did you run mousepad with gksudo ?
[23:10] <knome> alt+f2 -> gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:10] <knome> it will ask your password to give you the permissions to edit the file
[23:17] <tiopere_2> I run
[23:17] <knome> ? :)
[23:17] <tiopere_2> gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:17] <tiopere_2> it ask me for a password
[23:17] <tiopere_2> I gave it
[23:17] <tiopere_2> I can see the file source.list
[23:18] <tiopere_2> but I don't know how I can edit it
[23:18] <knome> weird...
[23:18] <knome> open a terminal and un
[23:18] <knome> *run
[23:19] <knome> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:19] <knome> tiopere, to save, ctrl+o, to exit, ctrl+x :)
[23:20] <Britzel_> Hi. Just installed 12.04 on a Lenovo T500. I am *a*m*a*z*e*d*! Everything runs out of the box. Great job!
[23:21] <tiopere_2> I'm in
[23:21] <knome> Britzel_, thanks :)
[23:21] <knome> tiopere, now, replace anything with es.archive.ubuntu.com with archive.ubuntu.com
[23:22] <tiopere_2> ok, I'm going
[23:23] <knome> tiopere, after you've done that, press alt+o (the letter o) and hit enter :)
[23:24] <tiopere_2> I think it is modified
[23:24] <knome> okay
[23:24] <knome> did you save with ctrl+o? :)
[23:25] <tiopere_2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/948524/
[23:25] <knome> yes, that looks right!
[23:25] <knome> now run 'sudo apt-get update'
[23:25] <knome> brb
[23:26] <tiopere_2> brb ????
[23:27] <tiopere_2> running
[23:27] <knome> "be right back", and here i am :)
[23:27] <tiopere_2> :)
[23:27] <tiopere_2> sorry
[23:27] <knome> np
[23:28] <tiopere_2> I am a newbie
[23:28] <tiopere_2> sorry
[23:28] <knome> no problem at all
[23:29] <knome> we all have to start somewhere
[23:30] <tiopere_2> done
[23:30] <tiopere_2> no errors
[23:30] <knome> great!
[23:30] <knome> now try retrying the upgrading to 12.04
[23:30] <tiopere_2> ok
[23:33] <tiopere_2> running
[23:33] <knome> i'll be lurking here for a while more at least, so if it works or errors arise... just shout out :)
[23:34] <tiopere_2> 18 minutews left (it says)