[00:19] <Riddell> 344.714 GB of downloads from my mirror, which is listed 5th
[00:28] <nixternal> nice
[00:28] <nixternal> i have leached big time from fermilab over the past couple of days. trying to see if i can change the graphs on their mirror with all of my syncing and downloading
[00:49] <afiestas> would be possible to make Kubuntu releases in a different date than Ubuntu's ?
[01:11] <micahg> afiestas: why would you want to do that?
[01:11] <afiestas> micahg: today news are about Ubuntu not Kubuntu
[01:11] <afiestas> I'd like to avoid that for example
[01:12] <afiestas> also we could (if we want) adjust teh release time to something that syncs better with KDE
[01:12] <afiestas> though current timing is ok in that regart I think
[01:14] <micahg> afiestas: well, the main issue would be the archive freezes affect everyone equally, so releasing at a different time becomes problematic, I think as Kubuntu grows in popularity and starts to add it owns features as well, I think it should be able to generate its own press even with the same release day
[01:14] <micahg> s/it owns/its own/
[01:15] <afiestas> ubuntu is a start too big to eclipse right now
[01:16] <micahg> well, IMHO, I don't think you have to eclipse Ubuntu, just be big enough to be news worthy in your own right
[01:18] <afiestas> Kubuntu is news worthy in its own right, you can see it by bluesystem sponsoring
[01:18] <afiestas> but as it is right now, Kubuntu is considered Ubuntu + KDE so by making a new for Ubuntu you also "cover"kubuntu
[01:19] <micahg> well, that could just mean they see the potential there and want to foster it
[01:19] <micahg> right, that's exactly what it is now as the project decided to be as close to upstream as possible due to resource limitations
[01:20] <afiestas> I don't think be clsoe to upstream is a bad thing
[01:20] <micahg> not at all :)
[01:22] <afiestas> maybe a risky  mvoe but a good one would be release 1 month after KDE stable releases
[01:22] <afiestas> shipping .1
[01:22] <afiestas> risky because of testability time, but in the other hand kde software is getting more stable
[01:22] <micahg> no, that was a disaster IIRC with maverick
[01:24] <afiestas> maverick is how many kde versions ago?
[01:24] <afiestas> a lot xD
[01:24] <micahg> well, FTR, I don't have any official say in Kubuntu, I just help out when I can
[01:25] <afiestas> neither do i
[02:10] <yuriy> congratulations on the release everyone!!
[02:43] <ScottK> afiestas: We've had releases where due to the combined KDE and Ubuntu release schedule we shipped 4.x.1.  I've liked 4.x.2 based releases a lot better.
[02:43]  * ScottK waves to yuriy.
[02:53] <ScottK> afiestas: From a strictly mechincal point of view it would be very close to impossible to release on a different day than Ubuntu.  
[04:04] <Darkwing> Quantal Quetzal? Okay.
[04:07] <tsimpson> !12.10
[04:07] <tsimpson> I guess Q isn't the easiest letter to use though
[04:08] <Darkwing> At least a Quetzal is beautiful :)
[05:44] <Tm_T> vorian: hmn?
[05:47] <Tm_T> vorian: you seem to suggest that JR would be leaving us (when he's not) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-April/006036.html
[05:47]  * micahg should probably subscribe to that list
[05:59] <TeLLuS> Interesting. In the new Muon it is no longer possible to see the package-names that will update or install only the short description..   After installation you can se it by looking at the History...
[06:13] <artnay> is there something wrong with the torrents? yesterday I downloaded both 32 and 64 bit torrents from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/ - now they're gone and torrent.ubuntu.com gives me "not authorized"
[10:45] <BluesKaj> 'morning all
[14:48] <apol> can I cancel a pending build in launchpad?
[14:52] <Riddell> apol: no I don't think so
[14:53] <apol> meh xD
[14:53] <Riddell> actually I know no
[14:53] <apol> ok thanks :)
[16:34] <txwikinger2> I am really amazed how everything looks always so much better in every new release!
[16:35] <Riddell> txwikinger2: :)
[16:45] <yofel> Riddell, apol: you *can* abort pending builds now (just not pending recipe builds)
[16:45] <yofel> as long as you have the permissions for that archive
[16:45] <Riddell> oh interesting
[16:45] <Riddell> yofel: but why would you want to?
[16:46] <Riddell> buildds being in limited supply is an issue sometimes especially on arm
[16:46] <Riddell> why else is it useful?
[16:46] <yofel> build got stuck? otherwise dunno
[17:00] <claydoh> is there an issue with the i386 precise torrent? 
[17:00] <claydoh> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[17:05] <Riddell> claydoh: I've not tried it
[17:05] <claydoh> it has a tracker error rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized foruse with this tracker.
[17:06] <claydoh> all other torrents I am seeding are fine (ubuntu and kubuntu 64bit)
[17:38] <artnay> claydoh: 09:13     artnay : is there something wrong with the torrents? yesterday I downloaded both 32 and 64 bit torrents from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/ - now they're gone and torrent.ubuntu.com gives me "not authorized"
[17:40] <yofel> artnay: they were moved, now to be found in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release
[17:43] <claydoh> yofel: I get the error there, it downloads but wont seed
[17:43] <yofel> I don't know who manages the tracker, I'm seeding over DHT
[17:44] <yofel> hm wait
[17:44] <yofel> tracker is actually being used here
[17:44] <claydoh> its just the i386 desktop iso giving the error
[17:45] <claydoh> yofel: "rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for
[17:45] <claydoh> use with this tracker."
[17:45] <yofel> that's what I also always get at the beginning, but it seems to connect after a while anyway
[17:45]  * claydoh wonders who to let know
[17:46] <claydoh> yes, it dowonloads but doesn't seed
[17:46] <yofel> rtorrent:
[17:46] <yofel> 0: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce
[17:46] <yofel> Id:  Focus:  no Enabled: yes Open:  no S/L: 425/149
[17:46] <yofel> for desktop amd64
[17:47] <claydoh> im fine for that, as well as the Ubuntu 64 bit
[17:47] <claydoh> just i386
[17:49] <ScottK> TeLLuS: I believe I already filed a bug on the Muon package name thing, but if you don't find it, please do.
[17:50] <claydoh> ScottK: do you know whom to poke about an iso torrent tracker issue?
[17:51] <ScottK> I know there was an issue with the Ubuntu torrents discovered after yesterday's release.  I'd ask in #ubuntu-release and see who answers.
[17:51] <claydoh> ok thanks
[18:23] <shadeslayer> Congrats on the release!
[18:26] <Riddell> and thanks for your help shadeslayer 
[18:27] <shadeslayer> pfftt ... I did some really trivial stuff
[18:27] <shadeslayer> you and yofel did most of the heavy lifting
[18:30] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, kmail could use some attention ...hint hint :)
[18:30] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:36] <jussi> Riddell: I just got the kmix crash with skype again - just randomly crash without me doing anything, only condition that i noticed was that I was on a call at the time. and video does some strange things, get some green lines and noise on the video, making it unwatchable. Installing debug symbols now to report the bug
[18:36] <Riddell> blog http://blogs.kde.org/node/4573
[18:36] <Riddell> including a bit of canonical love at the bottom to keep those manager happy
[18:37] <Riddell> well and to thank them for nice support
[18:37] <Riddell> jussi: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290742
[18:38] <jussi> Riddell: Ill report mine and then your or someone can have a look and see if its same
[18:38] <Riddell> yeah adding to the kde bug wouldn't hurt, I've no spare cycles just now I'm afraid
[18:39] <jussi> Riddell: no probs 
[18:44] <shadeslayer> zomg
[18:44] <shadeslayer> that logo is win
[18:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I <3 the banner
[18:44] <jussi> what logo
[18:45] <jussi> oh, _that_ one!!!!!!!!!!
[18:45] <jussi> wow!
[18:45] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the commentary about Canonical in your blog post was on the mark (pun intended).
[18:45] <jussi> love it!
[18:46] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[18:46]  * shadeslayer is trying to answer emails and his stupid cursor keeps jumping
[18:47] <ryanakca> Hmm, I've received an email from someone wanting to donate to Kubuntu and suggesting the addition of a Donate button to the website. IIRC, we don't have said button because of the legal and financial headache it would cause?
[18:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: mostly because we have nowhere to donate to
[18:49] <Riddell> but I'll give him my bank account details if he really wants :)
[18:49] <jussi> ryanakca: yeah, we would need some foundation and other strange organisational stuff if I understand correct
[18:49] <Riddell> actually maybe it can go in the account blue systems is setting up for us (just a brainstorm)
[18:50]  * ryanakca nods
[18:50] <Riddell> ryanakca: so tell him thanks much and come back in a couple of months
[18:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: Will do.
[18:51]  * BluesKaj wonders if canonical is going to retain the "Kubuntu Trademark", so we can rid of these "obscure animal handles "  :)
[18:52] <jussi> I like the animals!
[18:53] <ScottK> BluesKaj: re the animals: We're still part of the Ubuntu project and so things like that aren't going to change.
[18:54] <BluesKaj> ScottK, what about Blue Systems , maybe thay have other ideas 
[18:55] <ScottK> BluesKaj: It doesn't matter.  It's part of how development works in Ubuntu.
[18:55] <ScottK> Kubuntu has always been and will still be community led.
[18:55] <ScottK> The fact that one person is changing employers doesn't affect that.
[18:55] <BluesKaj> led by the animals :)
[18:56] <maco> *cough*2*cough*
[18:56] <Riddell> maco: oh you're changing too?  yay :)
[18:57] <maco> i thought it was you and agateau_
[18:57] <maco> you are a person. agateau_ is a person. a + a = 2!
[18:58] <jussi> Riddell: there is like a million reports about kmix crashing... :/
[18:58] <ScottK> maco: agateau_ wasn't a Kubuntu developer, so he's a bonus.
[18:58] <ScottK> It's one moved and one gained.
[18:58] <maco> ScottK: he's not part of ~kubuntu-dev?
[18:58] <ScottK> No and he was part of DX, not the distro team.
[18:59] <maco> i knew he wasnt distro team
[18:59] <Riddell> jussi: I know, it's nasty, but meh upstream
[18:59] <maco> but i thought he was ~k-dev
[18:59] <Riddell> jussi: I have a hunch it didn't crash in 4.8.0 so you could look at tracking down 4.8.0 and verifying if that makes the crash go away
[18:59] <ScottK> Even if he was, Kubuntu development was not part of his job.
[18:59] <maco> i know
[18:59] <maco> but its still two people changing jobs!
[18:59] <ScottK> True.
[19:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Kmix is allegedly fixed for 4.8.3.  If it's bad enough should be look at packaging a snapshot of just kmix for an SRU?
[19:00] <ScottK> I've only had one crash here, so I'm not sure how widespread this is (it's not everyone).
[19:01] <Riddell> ScottK: that would be a better way yes
[19:01] <yofel> snapshot from where? the repositories are broken
[19:01] <yofel> i.e. read-only
[19:01] <Riddell> ScottK: it's pretty widespread I'm feeling
[19:03] <yofel> ah, that was only for trunk, nvm me
[19:07] <jussi> Riddell: and anyone else interested, I just made a new bug, can mark it as a dupe sometime if need be: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298926
[19:18] <ScottK> http://taschenorakel.de/mathias/2012/04/18/fulltext-search-benchmarks/ <-- Nepomuk FTL.
[19:20] <tazz> upgraded main laptop to 12.04
[19:40] <Riddell> tazz: is it working?
[19:58] <swecarp> ty all t6hat have worked on the 12,04 fore a great produkt 
[20:01] <Ezim> swecarp, +1. best kubuntu release.
[20:02] <swecarp> ty Ezim 
[20:02] <Ezim> swecarp, the kubuntu team is the best linux team I have come across. I really like this guys/girls.
[20:54] <Riddell> Ezim: aww shucks