[00:00] Riddell, you know the majority of new users of KDE think that KDE is just the desktop aka the d.e. [00:00] i get that at school a lot [00:01] Hm……. my kubuntu install seems to be spending 30 minutes downloading every language pack under the sun [00:02] yes the new branding still has to take hold in many minds, but KDE is so much more than a desktop (e.g. tablet and server software) [00:02] tbruff13: anyway if you're writing guides do join us in #kubuntu-devel when asking for checking over or ideas [00:03] Riddell, what is up with the branding i like the current branding [00:05] tbruff13: for KDE? the branding changed a couple years ago [00:05] Riddell, not that old man [00:05] only 18 [00:05] a couple years ago is a long time for me still [00:06] lol [00:06] I have only used Linux in general for two years [00:06] KDE is a community making software such as KDE Frameworks, Plasma, OwnCloud etc [00:07] Riddell, I tried using owncloud could not do it i used get freecloud.com and could not find the binaries for Kubuntu 12.04 only for Xubuntu 11.04/11.10 [00:08] tbruff13: did you try apt-get install owncloud ? [00:08] I don't know what freecloud is [00:09] Riddell, no i am an dumb a** I just was looking for a dropbox alternative and like an did a google search man I am off today [00:09] god a ton of deps on that package [00:09] well installing owncloud locally is only of limited use, the main use is if you have a server to install it on [00:10] Riddell, check this out http://getfreecloud.com/ [00:11] ah an owncloud hoster [00:12] well it won't need any binaries for most uses, it's all standards based [00:14] Riddell, well the binaries are to make it kind of like dropbox with more space until i can set up a webserver [00:16] Riddell, is it possible to refresh programs that the kde search bar pops up because partionmanager was installed I typed it in and nothing weird [00:17] tbruff13: running kbuildsycoca4 might help [00:17] from a command line or alt-f2 [00:18] nothing [00:18] i even tried the word disk and disk utility i have had this problem alot it is not finding installed programs === william is now known as Guest72969 [00:20] tbruff13: do you have the file /usr/share/applications/kde4/partitionmanager.desktop ? [00:21] yes [00:21] Get Free Cloud .com!! is this like all the surveys that say I won a free ipad? [00:21] slug: Just a quick update on Kmail password problem. Did a reinstall of Kontact, then checked for updates and found 8 + 11 items to update/upgrade since my upgrading the system this morning. Not sure what fixed it, glad it was a simple fix. Thanks for your help. [00:22] tbruff13: hmm dunno sorry [00:22] * Riddell snoozes [00:22] weird [00:23] Riddell, is it worthy of a bug report i found the program in my system applications [00:24] ugggggggggggh [00:25] i cant clean up my partitions they have a lock next to them even as root [00:25] I am normally better at this but today has just been a crappy day [00:25] one sec [00:29] I need help i messed something up here is a screenshot i do not know what i did when installing the other two kubuntu's but i cannot purge them [00:30] Ok, I am curious… If you just did a fresh install of kubuntu… what are the first things you do? Just interested to see which customization/tweaks you "pro" users do [00:31] for instance, my first instinct is to stop any desktop search file indexing/neopomuk/things like that, but are they useful? [00:31] xixor, first everyone on here is not a pro lol [00:31] the first thing? probably install a Qt development environment :) [00:31] yeah, that is #2 on my list [00:31] put yawp on your workspace [00:31] I'll probably just install the latest QT-SDK + qtcreator from binary, rather than getting the .deb [00:32] the first thing i do is changing the K-Menu button to the Kubuntu Logo [00:32] tsimpson, can i have some help please i screwed something up when install kubuntu 12.04 on one laptop three times for school now i do not need two of the installations anymore and i cannot reformat my drive something is stopping me [00:32] xixor: get a browser you like, install kubuntu-restricted-extras, yakuake is next, then build-essential + qt-sdk [00:33] tsimpson: I like google-chrome, but was going to try to use rekonq for a while to try it out [00:33] xixor: don't tell anyone, but I use google-chrome too [00:33] tbruff13: what's stopping you from formatting? [00:33] one second i will show you [00:34] I have been a linux user for 15 years, and a KDE user since 2005.. but to be honest, I haven't had a dedicated linux desktop computer in about 4 years….. I kinda want to give "KDE" the ole' college try: like live, breath, and sleep KDE for a few weeks, just to emerge myself in it and try it out [00:34] rekonq is a good browser if you just want a web browser, but if you want something a little more advanced I'd go for one of the bigger names [00:34] my usual inclination with any OS is to customize/tweak the hell out of it for all of my idiosyncrasies, but I feel like taking the blue pill, and seeing how far the rabbit hole goes with KDE to to speak [00:35] KDE is immensely customizable, you'll enjoy it a lot if you like to tinker [00:37] I feel like I don't know my way around it well enough to customize it at this point [00:39] so, what happened to konqueror? [00:39] it's still there, just not installed by default [00:40] so rekonq is the default web browser now? is it chromium/web kit based? [00:40] it's webkit [00:40] tsimpson, here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17463098/screenshot%20for%20locks [00:40] rekonq is probably just as "useful" as konqueror anyway [00:41] the partitions are locked [00:41] What are some dolphin tricks I should know? F4 for a shell is awesome [00:42] tbruff13: make sure you run the partition manager from the live CD, you can't remove or format a partition that's mounted or in use [00:43] tsimpson, oh wow i am an idiot i have done this a million times [00:44] xixor: to be honest, I mostly use the shell (yakuake) to manage files etc, but I do like the split view (F3) for copying stuff over to/from removable media or remote filesystems [00:44] tbruff13: happens to us all [00:45] you guys must think i am a retard today [00:45] god [00:49] tsimpson: neat, I usually use konsole [00:50] it's just nice to have it always there, just one key press away [00:51] and it doesn't clutter the window list in the panel (or Alt-Tab) [00:51] I see, I will check it out [00:51] can't install it right now… doing the dist-upgrade for the next 15-20 minutes [00:54] xixor: there are some screenshots on http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153 if you're curious [00:55] tsimpson: so are you a KDE dev? [00:56] not really, I just play with code and hopefully get patches applied upstream every now and then :) [00:58] ah, cool [00:59] I do some Qt development, nothing kde specific [01:10] does kubuntu 12.04 have a name? hardy harry, clever klide? [01:19] hi, is dd the best way to backup a partition before a distro upgrade? [01:19] xixor: precise [01:20] ah, it uses the same ubuntu naming scheme? [01:20] yeah.. there up to "p" [01:23] I see [01:37] !precise | xixor [01:37] xixor: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1204 [01:39] cool === loadid is now known as sfears [02:28] [02:28] does the 64bit install support efi boot and gpt partitions [02:46] im so excited burning the iso now!!! [02:46] so much awesomeness with KDE 4.8 and Calligra mmmm [02:55] Does anyone know how I can upgrade using my local mirror rather than the overloaded archive.ubuntu.com which is used by default? [02:56] kim_: are you using a livecd or are you upgrading? [02:56] Upgrading an existing kubuntu from 11.10 to 12.04. [02:57] Existing install on the hard drive. [02:58] k menu/applications/system/muon package manager from the package manager settings/configure software sources [02:58] <_jam> so, apps that show in the system tray are now showing up only in the drop down menu for the system tray, which is not going to work for me [02:58] <_jam> I don't see a way to reconfigure that behavior, suggestions? [03:00] _jam: right click until system tray settings shows up, then on entries make sure hide is not selected [03:00] I configured local mirrors (in /etc/apt/sources.list) years ago, but when I run the upgrade today (in System Settings - Software Updates - Upgrad eto precise 12.04 LTS) it comments out all my local mirrors, and has added archive.ubuntu.com which is very slowly downloading from. [03:01] kim_: there's a drop down to choose alternate mirrors from the muon package manager [03:01] Muon package manager isn't listed in the System menu. [03:02] your using kubuntu 11.10 kim_? [03:02] <_jam> sfears: ok, so. some of the applications are listed there, but not all of them [03:03] Yes. 100.10. [03:03] should be there, are there any package manager programs in there kim_? [03:03] That should of couse be 11.10. [03:04] not sure why the programs wouldn't be there _jam [03:04] what program _jam? [03:05] Looking in more detail is is there - under P for "Package Manager", but I was looking for "M" for Muon. [03:05] <_jam> sfears: konversation would be one example [03:05] yeah, that's it kim_ open that and click on settings configure sources and change the server [03:06] maybe make sure it's active in the system tray before you try and configure it _jam? [03:07] <_jam> hrm [03:07] <_jam> can someone ping me? [03:07] _jam [03:08] <_jam> thanks [03:08] lol sfears [03:08] <_jam> that worked [03:08] oh that kindofping [03:08] lol [03:10] My local mirror in configured as confirmed in Muon. [03:11] it should update the repositories right away kim_, and then try again [03:15] <_jam> ok, another question. when I alt-tab, I have giant icons that show. what i used to have were quite a bit smaller, allowing me to see the full list of open windows as I tabbed through them. but now I only see 4 [03:15] Should there be an option to upgrade to 12.04 in Muon? I can't see one there. (Previously I used System Settings - Software Updates) [03:15] <_jam> any idea how to change that? [03:16] <_jam> i'm in the task switcher system settings thing === jalcine is now known as jacky [03:19] when upgrading it displays the message "some third party sources have been disabled..." at the time that it edits sources.list to remove my local mirror. [03:20] <_jam> yea, that is standard operating. just after upgrade, you open the sources and enable non-ubuntu sources that are disabled and that you want to keep active [03:23] Hey for some reason apt-get dist-upgrade isn't pulling in precise [03:23] I'm running 11.10 [03:23] :) [03:23] <_jam> you'd need to change your source to 12.04 [03:24] <_jam> also, dist-upgrade isn't the recommended method for upgrading [03:25] How can I get rid of the kde wallet service? [03:27] <_jam> I thought there was a services pane in the system settings panel, but I don't see it [03:27] <_jam> not sure [03:27] But upgrading is going to take 8 hours with the main ubuntu server which it keeps on changing to. I'd like to use my local mirror server for the upgrade. [03:27] <_jam> change your /etc/hosts to point to your local mirror? [03:27] <_jam> just make sure to change it back [03:29] datruth: just disable kwallet [03:29] hey all [03:30] _jam: like I have to go into /etc/apt/sources.list and replace everything with oneiric to precise? [03:30] tsimpson: I did that doesn't seem to work [03:30] <_jam> jacky: no, not really, because you shouldn't be doing it that way [03:30] tsimpson: how can I remove the package? [03:30] <_jam> read the release notes on how to upgrade properly [03:30] <_jam> they've got step by step instructions there [03:30] I have a PPA that overrides my main Oneiric installation. How do I pin it so that I download the packages from the PPA by default? It's refusing to see past the package in the main installation [03:30] ah, okay thanks. [03:30] https://launchpad.net/~lekensteyn/+archive/wacom-tablet?field.series_filter=oneiric [03:31] i am trying to install that. [03:32] Okay maybe removing .kde/share/config/kwalletrc will do the trick [03:33] I have two partitions thats not mounted to my linux box /dev/sda4 ext4 and /dev/sda7 fat32 how can I mount these two paritions on boot time with full access? [03:36] damn kdewallet service will not die [03:38] >_< [03:38] That page is behind SSL, I can't see it.. :/ [03:38] The upgrade notes. [03:40] finally kwallet is gone [03:40] So how does one mount those partitions at boot time? [03:41] UUID=d99c7f53-27fa-4849-8f4f-f6f4dec8f451 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 [03:42] would I change UUID to /dev/sda4 and / to /mnt/mynewpartition? [03:44] Anyone her eknow about preferences pinnning? [03:52] I am getting an error for the bittorrent download of Kubuntu 12.04. It says "Error: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." Is this a known issue or something on my end? [03:54] altusanew: i'd try a fresh download [03:54] redownload the torrent file [03:56] guten Morgen [03:57] How can I configure the system notifications? [03:57] Cleared the torrent and data. Started the download again, same error. I am on Kubuntu 10.04 32bit trying to download the 64bit version. [03:57] Thanks BTW sfears. [03:58] I am getting no peers but I assume that is due to the error with the tracker? [03:59] We have been having issues with the torrents... [03:59] that worked altusanew? [03:59] Canonical Sysadmin is working on it. [03:59] No it did not work for me [03:59] Oh ok Darkwing, TY [03:59] the 64bit DVD torrent has 270 seeders [03:59] Just go with the direct download or wait for the tracker to come up? [04:00] I would go for the direct download IMHO. [04:00] i was able to download the cd iso earlier with no problem for what it's worth [04:00] I have no idea how long it will be before canonical sysadmin. [04:00] via torrent [04:00] what torrent are you using? [04:01] Were you grabbing the 32 bit version sfears? [04:01] no, 64 [04:02] Yeah, I'm not picking up anything with the 64bit CD. 64bit DVD is doing well. [04:03] * Darkwing will poke sysadmin again tomorrow. [04:03] Yeah I wanted to grab the torrent so that I could seed for a bit after. But I did have some new hardware I wanted to try out toight. [04:03] anyone install flashplugin-player and have it fail via software-center and get a system notification thats actually a blackbox? [04:03] tonight [04:03] The DVD is BIG though. [04:04] 3.24GB [04:04] Quantal Quetzal... Interesting. [04:04] Yeah only 700mb for the CD [04:05] And the website says that the DVD is mostly for language packs [04:05] how does one find out if I am using the stable version of 12.04 kubuntu? [04:05] damn these names I can't even pronounce nermind remember [04:06] hehehe... try developing and remembering the spelling LOL === caesar__ is now known as caesar_ [04:09] Is there an alternative tracker URL that could be added? [04:12] Never mind it started working. TY [04:16] <_jam> ok, who broke the dolphin tree behavior where hitting left on a closed folder/file brought you to the parent folder? [04:18] <_jam> goddamnit, now it is just redundant with the up arrow. this is stupid. it was broken before, then they fixed it, now they've broken it again. [04:23] hallo [04:28] jeepers ... kubuntu.org needs to change the features list ... Still sez OpenOffice.org is the default ... === jacky is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as Jacky === Jacky is now known as jacky === loadid is now known as sfears === odin__ is now known as CrazyBonz [05:24] skype stopped working today after an upgrade to kubuntu 11.10 64bit There are a bunch of skype howtos on duckduckgo (and google) does anyone have a recomendation for the stable way? some say download from skype and force multiarch, others say use the version in the repos, but each way seams to land on errors so far. [05:30] if i try to install skype from the 64bit .deb i get "libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file:" and if i do it from apt-get install the error is "Recommends: sni-qt:i386 but it is not going to be installed" [05:35] I tried to install skype from muon software center, it says its installed, but it doesnt start. [05:45] Skype's a closed-source application; not much help can be given :/ [05:45] But if you run it in a console, I can see what I can rummage from that. [05:46] thanks jacky im trying a few of the workarounds from here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/830440 [05:46] Launchpad bug 830440 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu) "skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [Undecided,Won't fix] [05:46] but havent found one that works yet. was hoping someone knew a way. [05:49] jacky: these are the terminal errors i see wth both methods: http://pastebin.com/Zt6EFyM5 [05:59] ep [05:59] CISPA could enable companies like Facebook and Twitter, as well as Internet service providers, to share your personal information with the National Security Agency and the CIA, as long as that information is deemed to pertain to a cyber threat or to national security. [07:09] Hi [07:09] should kubuntu 12.04 upgrade work? [07:09] I'm getting no new release found [07:12] B-ZaR: I think upgrade offers come a bit later [07:13] any way I can force upgrade now? [07:15] does this work? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu [07:15] tried that first [07:15] then as the notification didn't pop up used do-release-upgrade directly [07:16] but it says there's no new release [07:16] -d switch to force [07:16] $ sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d [07:16] Checking for a new ubuntu release [07:16] No new release found [07:16] if only -d switch? [07:17] the same === ocs is now known as faLUCE [07:17] B-ZaR: you're currently on what version? "cat /etc/issue" will show [07:18] $ cat /etc/issue [07:18] Ubuntu 11.10 \n \l [07:18] this ia32-libs business in precise kind of sucks [07:22] jacky: got passed the skype issue with a distro upgrade. thanks for the help earlier. [07:23] That was all you, ussher_ ;) [07:23] But it's good to know that; I'll keep in mind in case someone else has the issue. [07:23] ussher_: what did you do to get around it? i installed ia32-libs from oneiric, to keep google earth going [07:23] needed a reason to push the 'distro upgrade' button. [07:24] i upgradded from 11.10 to 12.04 then apt-get install skype [07:24] worked fine. [07:26] ahh [07:26] The only issue i encountered with the distro upgrade was that i had a "one way door" effect on my bottom left hand monitor. I could go from the top monitor to the bottom but not from the bottom to the top. needed to close the gap between them to 0 in xorg.conf to get passed that. [07:26] i expect issues with distro upgrades so as yet this one seamed to have gone smoothly [07:28] the upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 was very problematic for several of my machines, so i may hold off a bit [07:28] Tm_T: I think it was because I had "only LTS upgrades" selected in software sources tool [07:29] funny though as 12.04 is an LTS [07:29] but now it works [07:29] yeah i generally expect that i something will break that will result in a need to re-install from a clean install. happily supprised this time [07:30] and it was fast. [07:30] I've heard good things about this release considering upgrading [07:31] ussher_: I was working while I upgraded, all happened smoothly in the background... in next boot I was on 12.04 [07:32] :) it wasnt THAT fast for me. i closed all programs and plugged the head phones into the mp3 player. but certainly didnt take the hours [07:33] and the big supprise was my weird monitor configuation still existed after the upgrade. thats really cool [07:35] is there any appreciable difference between kde4.8 on 12.04 versus 11.10? [07:35] RexHaviK: for me? skype works. [07:36] i thought that skype issues were related to wine? doesnt skype actually run in wine? [07:37] not as far as im aware. i think not because if it was running under wine it would be skype5.x but on linux its still skype 2.2 beta. [07:38] hmm with the kubuntu-12.04-dvd-amd64.iso dvd I used the boot screens were operating at the correct resolution [07:38] now that kubuntu has finished installing they are not operating at 2560x1600 [07:39] i wonder why it's able to determine the correct resolution for the booting of the live environment but not the installed environment [07:46] hi, after upgrading to 12.04 all kinds of ui elements started producing sounds when clicked. where can i turn that off? i can't come up with reasonable search terms for google and i don't see anything in the system settings [07:47] hi! i have a problem with dolphin and windows shares. i mounted a windows share permanently via fstab. now connection to the share is a "little" bit instable. now whenever the share is not reachable, my whole dolphin instances crash completely === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [07:56] Hi, quick question: If I have ubuntu and I need to work in KDE, what do I do? Should I switch to kubuntu, or is there any other option. I am just asking for the best thing to do. [07:56] ha, found it http://mortalpowers.com/news/howto-get-rid-of-gtk-sounds-in-kde [07:56] damn gtk -_- [07:57] What is the name of the limter that stops the mouse leaving a certain area of the screen? like if you move your mouse to the left hand side of the screen it appears to hit a wall. Same on the top of the screen. Hits a wall. but off to the right it will dissappear. and off the bottom it can happily go venturing. is there a name for that? the wall? meta limits? screen blocks? [08:13] hello.... i am doing upgrade at the moment. is it possible to upgrade form 11.04 directly to 12.04 using the 12.04 live cd? === jacky is now known as JackyAlcine [08:17] Boffy: it always used to be that you would need to go to 11.10 then to 12.04 unless something has changed. http://askubuntu.com/questions/34430/how-do-i-upgrade-straight-from-a-very-old-release-to-the-latest-one [08:19] hi [08:20] How do I upgrade to 11.04? === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as siibot === siibot is now known as Jacky === Jacky is now known as siibot === siibot is now known as jacky [08:26] open kpackage kit and click on top in the link to upgrade [08:38] hmmm yeah the only resolutions in vbeinfo that are applicable for a 16:10 screen is 1280×800 [09:05] hi, anyone who had a bad akonadi experience in the last version and is happy with 12.04, now? Currently (11.10), when akonadi starts, all resources are blocked and the laptop is unusable ;-) [09:07] Are you kidding me, do I need to reboot my computer for muon be able to upgrade, then I need to reboot my computer again to complete upgrade? wtf? [09:08] is 12.04 more stable than 11.10 or not, is it worth upgrading or will it break my system as last time? [09:10] up to you [09:12] Well, if it not breaks my system I want to upgrade, will it? [09:12] ikonia: [09:12] depends on your system [09:12] the upgrade process is fine, if your system is not, it may cause problems [09:13] ikonia: What does it depends on then? [09:14] Oxymoron: your system, if your system is sound, no problematic external packages etc [09:15] ikonia: No problematic external packages ...? Can you be more specific. Exaclty what can cause a crappy upgrade as last 10 times I upgraded from one version to another? [09:16] no [09:16] Oxymoron: do you have any external packages from non-official ubuntu repos or PPA's ? [09:17] Every single time I needed to reinstall a fresh copy after the upgrade because the upgrade process break my system. And no I havent any problematic packages as far as I know, if not kubuntu installed them itself ... [09:17] ikonia: I have Spotify, Virtualbox. [09:17] and Chrome [09:17] Oxymoron: are they from external repos ? [09:17] yes [09:18] then they are a risk and may/may not cause a problem [09:18] but you should be aware [09:18] But under upgrade process, they usually are ignored, right and commented in sources.list file? [09:18] ikonia: Define problem? [09:18] "may cause a problem/upgrade not work in some way" [09:18] When I mean problem in upgrade process, it breaks sound, video, config files and sometimes I cannot even boot at all. [09:19] if the packages are installed, the fact that the repo is comments out does not remove the risk [09:19] Oxymoron: yes, you may/may not have that problem depending on if those packages cause a problem with the upgrade process [09:19] No risk, but as far as I understand Chrome, Virtualbox and Spotify SHOULD NOT be able to be a problem so upgrade process make my system unbootable, right? [09:19] they MAY cause a problem, yes [09:20] they may not, they are a arisk [09:20] a risk [09:21] Yes, but seriously can you define risk/problems? I can take problems, like faulty Spotify. But wtf, it shouldnt break the entire freaking Kubuntu install? [09:21] what do you mean define risk or problems [09:22] define exactly what you mean when you say, it MAY/CAN cause a problem or be a risk. [09:22] those packages are from external sources that have the risk/potential to cause a problem with the upgrade process that may/may not leave your system in an unusable/unstable state [09:22] the point is their compatability with the upgrade process is unknown so the outcome is unknown [09:22] it is your risk to manage [09:22] How the heck can it leave my system in a unusable state if I have some external repos like Sotify, Chrome and Virtualbox? [09:23] if the upgrade process has a problem/does not complete due to compatability issues with these external software packages, the upgrade process will not complete, so your system maybe left in an unusable state [09:23] Seriously, its the most I dont know crappy thing I ever heard. Like if you upgrade Windows lets say, and in the upgrade process it fails and make my computer unusable because I didnt install a Windows verified program. Wtf? [09:24] Oxymoron: listen to me very carefull, 1.) stop with "wtf" 2.) stop with the ranting [09:24] ikonia: Can it not overwrite those external packages? How can it even be a compatibility issue? [09:24] Oxymoron: windows works differently from Linux so it's pointless to compare. I've given you the facts and the warnings - it is now up to you to manage that risk [09:27] If I do upgrade, I want everything that requires a healthy system efter the upgrade to be done. If some compatibility issues is inside the upgrade process, it shouldnt end inside the process and continue and force to install/overwrite the packages. I would rather like a freaked up package or program, then a freaked up system. [09:28] Like If I had grub2 externally installed, the upgrade process SHALL overwrite it to make sure my system will work. [09:28] Oxymoron: sorry no, it's not just about binaries, it's much more complex than that [09:28] Oxymoron: however you now have the facts/risks it's up to you how you proceed [09:30] ikonia: I really cannot see the problems. Bit I guess the problem is how apt and debian structure works ... which I experienced earlier with package deadlocks, one package depends on another package and that package depends on the other one ... [09:32] Oxymoron: it doesn't matter if you see/understand the problem or not, I've given you warnings of the risks, it's up to you what you do [09:38] does anyone else notice the hangtime in kontact when knotes is active? [10:05] just noticed after upgrade to 12.04 my system tray puts the konversation icon in a under a dropdown arrow. how do I make it expanded so i can see the system tray icon flash when there is a message on IRC? [10:06] found it. [10:42] using the live 12.04, if i enable all desktop effects, they all fail. They all worked fine on my 11.10 install [10:45] 'morning all [10:45] morning BluesKaj [10:46] hey mydogsnameisrudy ...up early too [10:46] hi [10:46] yep [10:46] hey antlarr [10:46] I'm starting the upgrade to 12.04 and it says kdevelop is no longer supported [10:47] low clouds ...cool , like november [10:47] did the package name change? or is it really not supported? (in that case, is it available from some other repository?) [10:48] antlarr, you have to install kdevel , not a default [10:48] Hm, for some reason I am not asked to do an upgrade. And all the tools like apper do not ask me to perform one. Even do-release-upgrade tells me there is nothing available. Any idea how to force an upgrade? [10:50] liquidat: I think you have to reboot [10:50] liquidat: what you running now? [10:51] mydogsnameisrudy: cat /etc/issue [10:51] Ubuntu 11.10 \n \l [10:52] liquidat, I think ot's a bug in muon , your upgrade manager may be set to never or LTS only [10:54] BluesKaj: Ah, ok, so what can I do? [10:54] BluesKaj: so kdevelop is now inside a kdevel package? [10:55] antlarr, no , just install kdevelop [10:57] BluesKaj: ahm, I don't get why it's removing my kdevelop package, but ok, I'll continue the upgrade :) [10:59] antlarr, it will probly install anewer version , if it doesn't upgrade [10:59] using the live 12.04, if i enable all desktop effects, they all fail. They all worked fine on my 11.10 install [11:00] natman, could be the default graphics driver in the live version isn't up to the task [11:02] BluesKaj: I did notice that when i switched to Xredner in the settings all but three of the effecst worked [11:02] BluesKaj: hopefully when i do the full install to HDD it will work like 11.10 did [11:02] natman, which graphics card ? [11:03] BluesKaj: none, its whatever is included with my intel core i5 - i never need to download any extra drivers [11:04] lspci [11:04] natman, did you install any recommended drivers from "additional drivers" [11:05] BluesKaj: no, i checked there was none offered to me [11:05] natman , lspci | grep VGA [11:05] BluesKaj: cant do it now, not on laptop, will try later tonight [11:06] natman, ok [11:06] BluesKaj: I'll be back for help no doubt, thx [11:06] right [11:17] Any mirrors for 12.04 Kubuntu, cdimage.ubuntu.com seems a bit clogged atm? [11:28] Nakkel, check out the torrent mirrors === dell is now known as akshayratan [11:39] BluesKaj: Can't use torrents at work. I was hoping I could quickly snatch the image with our gigabit connection at work but of course the cdimage. mirror is jammed :P [11:42] ftp Nakkel , http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/Linux/INSTALL/Ubuntu/dvd-releases/releases/ [11:53] Nakkel, sorry that was the wrong site , try this one , http://ec2-50-16-181-252.compute-1.amazonaws.com/precise/release/ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:54] BluesKaj: Thanks, that one has a nice pipe. [11:55] yeah, Nakkel , and the prvious one was ubuntu , not kubuntu :P [11:56] BluesKaj: I noticed :) [11:56] it's too early in the morning here , not quite awake yet ...need another coffee [11:59] can anybody help me [12:00] josy1982,, ask your question [12:01] i want to upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 but the updater don'T shows new release [12:04] josy1982: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [12:05] josy1982, make sure the updater isn't set to LTS , or never [12:06] jovin, no , the upgrade is , sudo do-release-upgrade , but if the manager is set to the wrong option , dpkg can't upgrade to the release [12:06] hi everyone, i've trouble upgrading 11.10 to 12.04. do-release-upgrade say no new release found. [12:07] josy1982@kubuntu:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d [12:07] [sudo] password for josy1982: [12:07] No new upgrade [12:07] No new Release detected [12:07] josy1982@kubuntu:~$ [12:07] josy1982: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [12:08] b2ag, josy1982 , I know this sound wrong but set the update manager notifier to never [12:08] i see this problem with two machines here [12:08] BluesKaj: if they have all updates installed the mapping is right again [12:09] yofel, ? [12:09] omk i set it and now? [12:09] BluesKaj: that bug was fixed [12:10] i selected "never" at "check for updates" [12:10] does not fix it [12:10] ok b2ag , josy1982 run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , then run sudo do-release-upgrade [12:11] think i've already done that 2000 times, but will give it a try ... 2001 [12:11] b2ag: please install updates as BluesKaj said, and then please set the upgrader to Normal [12:12] what do you mean by "set the upgrader to Normal" [12:12] b2ag: the "check for updates" field [12:12] josy1982, read yofel post above [12:12] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade did nothing, everthing is up to date [12:12] sudo do-release-upgrade again finds notihng [12:13] can somebody here post a cat /etc/lsb-release in 11.10 [12:13] b2ag, try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade as well [12:13] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -> nothing [12:14] b2ag, did you set the update manager upgrade option to normal ? [12:15] no [12:15] but setting it to normal seems to resolve this problem here [12:16] very very good kubuntu 12,04 lts [12:16] b2ag, yeah , the update manager needed an update :) [12:17] thanks yofel [12:17] np [12:17] thanks BluesKaj [12:17] and thanks to yofel [12:17] right === lindalou is now known as westmi [12:52] this a complete n00b question: can i set a minimum width for my window panel in the controll bar? when i double the height of my controll bar , i get no space for my window panel [12:52] it gets smaller and is unusable [12:55] sb1980: screenshot [13:06] sb1980, add a taskbar in widgets [13:06] why does muon software centre crash every time? submitted the bug already [13:06] anybody facing the same bug? [13:09] arcolife, muon is a bit buggy , there have been submissions already ..it's being worked on , in the meantime use the terminal with apt-get, apper or my fav, synaptic [13:10] i normally use the terminal , but synaptic is a great reference [13:12]