[02:43] <klimenser> hi all, how to install support for ntfs drives?
[02:44] <klimenser> Â ñåòè
[02:44] <holstein> klimenser: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:51] <corvus_> I upgraded to Lubuntu 12.04, and "Additional Drivers" doesn't let me install the Nvidia drivers. Any idea why?
[02:51] <corvus_> It's not even an option.
[02:52] <holstein> corvus_: do you need the driver?
[02:52] <corvus_> I was using the proprietary driver in 11.10. Worked great.
[02:52] <corvus_> Would prefer to use it, yes.
[02:53] <corvus_> When trying to install it in Synaptic, it gets flagged with a red "!" and won't let me install.
[02:53] <corvus_> Packages break whenever I try.
[02:53] <holstein> corvus_: what packages.. how?
[02:53] <holstein> maybe its not supported in 12.04 yeat?
[02:53] <holstein> yet*
[02:54] <corvus_> nvidia-96
[02:54] <holstein> i say, if its working, just use it
[02:54] <holstein> you dont get 3d
[02:54] <holstein> you wanting you play games?
[02:54] <corvus_> Oh, I know. Proprietary just seemed to be a little smoother than nouveau.
[02:54] <corvus_> Nah, no games really. Nothing newer, anyway.
[02:55] <holstein> i would make sure you are up to date with updates
[02:55] <holstein> i would pull any error messages and post them here, and in the forums or a bug report
[02:55] <holstein> you can also just give it a few days and see if something trickles in
[02:56] <corvus_> Will do. Thanks.
[02:56] <corvus_> Are you using 12.04?
[02:56] <holstein> not at the moment
[02:56] <corvus_> Ah, ok.
[02:56] <holstein> i tried it live on my nvidia hardware
[02:57] <holstein> i do not plan to use the proprietary driver
[02:57] <corvus_> Is Nouveau still actively developed?
[02:57] <holstein> AFAIK
[03:46] <woutbound> I swiched from ubuntu 11.10 to lubuntu 11.10.  My desktop settings don't seem to be persistant (i.e., desktop background, clock settings)
[03:46] <woutbound> I'm also a noob
[03:47] <woutbound> the files and shortcuts on my desktop stayed the same from ubuntu to lubutu, oddly.
[03:47] <woutbound> any pointing in the right direction would be greatly appriciated
[03:48] <holstein> woutbound: its a different environment... you'll need to change the wallpaper, and then it will be the same next time you use LXDE
[03:48] <woutbound> I've found that not to be the case, that's exactly my problem
[03:49] <holstein> woutbound: what session are you choosing at login?
[03:49] <woutbound> I can change it, but once I logout, it chages back
[03:49] <holstein> did you install LXDE or lubuntu-desktop ?
[03:49] <woutbound> LXDE
[03:49] <holstein> though the settings should work, you might try installing lubuntu-desktop
[03:50] <woutbound> ah, sorry
[03:50] <woutbound> I actually have both
[03:50] <woutbound> problem is the same on both
[03:51] <holstein> woutbound: not sure what the issue is.. you can try making another user and see if the issue persists
[03:51] <holstein> TBH, i dont know if ive ever changed the wallpaper in lubuntu ;)
[03:51] <woutbound> how about the clock, from 24h to 12h?
[03:51] <holstein> i dont have it in front of me, but i'll look into it.. did you file a bug?
[03:52] <woutbound> I didn't because I'm not shure the problem isn't between keyboard and chair
[03:52] <holstein> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/469482-how-get-lxdes-panel-display-12-hour-clock.html
[03:54] <woutbound> right.  So, I've done  that, and it changes to 12 hour, but when I log out, it's 24 again
[03:54] <woutbound> that's my problem
[03:54] <woutbound> settings don't persist between sessions
[03:55] <woutbound> is it maybe a permissions thing?  is there a way to change the clock setting as root>
[04:01] <woutbound> I'll try it as a new user, brb.
[04:07] <woutbound> settings are persistant for my new user
[04:07] <woutbound> what does that imply?
[04:14] <seekwill> woohoo. 12.04! :D
[04:19] <woutbound> oooh!
[04:19] <woutbound> clear
[04:25] <holstein> woutbound: not sure, but its config... something in your user account.. permissions is an idea
[04:27] <Unit193> You could chown it all to your user, and/or delete .config/
[04:31] <woutbound> hmm
[04:35] <woutbound> thanks, I'll try that.  Have fun!
[05:02] <woutbound> using chown on  .config/lxpanel/LXDE worked well, thank you so much.
[05:02] <Unit193> Great!
[07:26] <Aminux> hi
[07:27] <Aminux> i need some help setting up sound on lubuntu
[07:27] <Aminux> i have 2 choices
[07:27] <Aminux> realtek onboard and usb sound
[07:28] <Aminux> i want to use the usb speakers
[07:28] <Aminux> i've already installed the alsa mixer
[07:28] <Aminux> but how do i switch from the onboard sound to usb sound ?
[07:41] <Aminux> http://askubuntu.com/questions/103002/sound-card-usb-dont-work-lubuntu-11-10
[07:41] <Aminux> i have the the exact problem
[07:50] <enzotib> hi, Shift-Ctrl-C in LXTerminal has a double behavior: copies and send an "intr" char (as Ctrl-C)
[07:50] <enzotib> it was not so in 11.10, how to fix?
[08:41] <enzotib> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/+bug/971918
[09:15] <gordonjcp> urgh, this screensaver lock thing is infuriating
[09:16] <gordonjcp> I wouldn't mind quite so much if the lock screen wasn't so bloody ugly
[10:18] <jozefk> hello, is there any difference between Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 64bit with LXDE and Lubuntu 12.04 LTS 64bit?
[10:19] <Unit193> Default config and selection of programs.
[10:19] <jozefk> is it a big difference?
[10:23] <head_victim> jozefk: it's mainly an issue if you're on limited hardware, if you install Ubuntu and then Lubuntu you still have a lot of processes running. If you don't mind that it's fine
[10:24] <jozefk> then it's better to just go for lubuntu
[10:25] <nothingspecial> If you want lubuntu then yes, and you can install whichever programs you like sane as ubuntu
[10:26] <jozefk> is it also LTS? the 12.04 64bit Lubuntu?
[10:27] <head_victim> jozefk: there is no LTS support for Lubuntu currently. There is a lack of developer resources to commit to a 5 year support cycle.
[10:27] <head_victim> If you know anyone wanting to volunteer though...
[10:54] <micahg> there was the option of a 3 yr LTS as well :)
[10:55] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know the rest of this conversation, but I think it's about why Lubuntu isn't a LTS?
[11:26] <dove_g> hi ppl
[11:26] <half-duplex> hi dove_g
[11:26] <dove_g> can't boot in lubuntu after installing a pure lxde
[11:26] <dove_g> by pscyocat instructions
[11:27] <dove_g> anyone maybe know how to login in cli as root and there try to do something
[11:27] <dove_g> tnx
[11:28] <half-duplex> what do you want to do get lubuntu back?
[11:37] <drlaban> Anyone using vim in lxterminal? I can't seem to make the cursor change shape by the use of Escape-control characters and I have no real idea of how to go about doing this...
[12:05] <dove_g> half-duplex
[12:06] <dove_g> i would like to boot in lubuntu
[12:06] <dove_g> i have successed to start shell
[12:35] <dove_g1> hi again
[12:35] <dove_g1> any advice?
[12:36] <valdur55> !help > dove_g1
[12:36] <dove_g1> ok tnx sorry
[12:36] <valdur55> dove_g1, what is your problem?
[12:37] <dove_g1> after installing pure lxde to Ubuntu 11.10 cant boot up to Lubuntu
[12:37] <dove_g1> pure lxde -> from psyhocat
[12:38] <valdur55> dove_g1, simply install lubuntu 12.04 over 11.10
[12:38] <dove_g1> :)
[12:38] <dove_g1> reinstall?
[12:38] <valdur55> Because 12.04 is now stable Long Term Support version
[12:38] <valdur55> yes
[12:38] <dove_g1> huh
[12:39] <dove_g1> i succedded ;=
[12:39] <dove_g1> i remove acctuall purge nvidia-current
[12:39] <dove_g1> drivers
[12:39] <valdur55> yea. good, you fallbacked to noveau drivers
[12:39] <valdur55> or vesa...
[12:40] <dove_g1> yes
[12:49] <phillw> valdur55: lubuntu 12.04 is not an LTS
[12:51] <valdur55> phillw, damn... it is based on LTS ubuntu version.
[12:52] <phillw> valdur55: indeed, so all the kernel updates will be guaranteed as an LTS. Just the lx stuff has 18 month support.
[12:53] <phillw> we will have had 3 new releases by the time we retire 12.04 (we'll be on 13.10). As lubuntu is changing so rapidly, it is simply too much to ask our small team to look after 12.04 for 5 years.
[13:08] <gordonjcp> is lubuntu the sort of thing you'd actually use as an LTS, anyway?
[13:09] <gordonjcp> tbh I'd really only use Ubuntu LTS on a server, which is likely to be X-less in any case
[13:10] <phillw> indeed, the idea for LTS is for the servers, people always want the latest desktop :)
[13:10] <gordonjcp> I could see using an LTS as a desktop OS for something like an office
[13:10] <gordonjcp> but that's likely to be a highly custom spin
[13:45] <dihi28> hi all, dumb question.  I'm running 12.04 beta 2...how do i update to the release?
[13:46] <phillw> dihi28: have you been regularly updating your beta?
[13:46] <dihi28> yeah, thru the update manager
[13:46] <phillw> you have the final release :)
[13:47] <dihi28> now way...how do i check that?  the last update i ran since the release was like only 1 file and a few hundo K
[13:47] <phillw> that would be expected, once we approached the RC the changes were few & small.
[13:48] <phillw> For example, the RC dated 23rd April was the Final Release.
[13:48] <dihi28> sweet, but can i pull up the version number just to check, you know for the hell of it
[13:49] <phillw> when I went to zsync up the secondary server iso images, there were no updates :)
[13:49] <dihi28> ok i see it
[13:49] <dihi28> system profiler
[13:50] <dihi28> thanks all!
[13:50] <phillw> yvw, thanks for testing the beta 2 :)
[13:50] <dihi28> np phillw, the pleasure was mine
[13:51] <phillw> 12.10 starts in about a month..... yikes!
[13:51] <phillw> although the -release team are already busy with stuff ready for the pre-alpha daily builds!
[14:46] <killer> hi....can anyone help me to install wireless drivers for bcm4312/.....i m currently using proprietary drivers
[15:03] <akls> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lxkeymap/+bug/904386
[15:03] <akls> how can I get it to work?
[15:03] <akls> any testing ppa or something?
[15:03] <akls> I'm on 12.04
[15:19] <akls> WTF
[15:19] <akls> WTF!!!
[15:19] <akls> seems like the last lxkeymap build is already in 12.04
[15:19] <akls> but there's no support for multiple keyboard layouts
[15:19] <akls> or is it.. hidden??
[15:20] <pcroque> akls: I don't know about 12.04, but on 11.10 I modified /etc/default/keyboard to get multiple layouts.
[15:21] <akls> pcroque, I understand, I was using workarounds for a year already
[15:21] <akls> pcroque, but it says that a fix was commited to this bug
[15:21] <akls> and in release notes it says that "multiple keyboard layouts support was added"
[15:21] <akls> now the question is..
[15:21] <akls> WHERE IS IT?
[15:22] <akls> well.. I understand.. but just..
[15:22] <akls> where is it?
[15:22] <phillw> akls: if it is not there.... raise a bug :)
[15:36] <eNepper> hi. I have just installed XBMCbuntu which is based on Lubuntu 11.10
[15:37] <eNepper> When i try to mount a cifs share after I changed the mtu to 9000 (Jumbo frame) it goes cold, Im able to press ctrl + c to cancel the mount
[15:57] <phillw> eNepper: I suggest heading over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=339 I'm only on nodding terms with CIFS / Samba shares at the moment.
[16:38] <k013> dear experts, with respect to wubi based installation, during booting it says - error prefix not set - i have done a web search for this and not found a solution - is this problem unsolved?
[16:43] <phillw> k013: I've just had a quick look on the forum. It has been raised, but no reply as yet. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966808
[16:44] <phillw> It may well be worth raising a bug report about it. The lubuntu team are not involved in Wubi.
[16:45] <k013> phillw - ok, i'll also put the question up on the ubuntu channel, then raise a bug report! thank you for the help!
[16:46] <phillw> wubi was tested with lubuntu & found to work. So, I'm not sure what happened since then :/
[17:10] <Silverlion> aloha folks!
[17:11]  * Silverlion sets S.O.S Flag
[17:12] <Silverlion> i need a supporter ... asap ;)
[17:12] <gordonjcp> Silverlion: don't ask to ask
[17:13] <Silverlion> gordonjcp: i havent asked to ask ;) i stated to need help with installation ;)
[17:14] <Silverlion> the think is: downloaded the Lubuntu 12.04 LTS this morning and burned it. works perfectly on "live" conditions etc. MD5 checks out, CD check itself showed no errors. but when install 12.04 on my 2003 AMD x86 during the installation process i get a black screen and am not able to move the mouse or the keys
[17:29] <eNepper> I have installed XBMCbuntu which is based on lubuntu 11.10, But when i try to mount a cifs share after I changed the mtu of eth0 to 9000 (Jumbo frame) it goes cold, Im able to press ctrl + c to cancel the mount
[17:48] <leszek> hi
[18:06] <a_b0y> howdy
[18:35] <a_b0y> how do i set it so that in 10 mins of being idle my monitor switches off?
[19:11] <a_b0y> hi
[19:11] <bioterror> evening
[19:11] <a_b0y> how do i set my monitor to turn off after being idle for 10 mins?
[19:13] <a_b0y> someone in the Linux Mint channel told me to use "xset s 600 s blank" and it worked but it didn't save the settings after reboot... and i prefer not to use the terminal
[19:15] <Unit193> Isn't the config in xfce4-power-manager-settings?
[19:16] <a_b0y> Unit193 oh yeah it is
[19:16] <a_b0y> but why doesn't it shut off after 15 mins
[19:18] <a_b0y> does it matter that i have xchat running even if i'm not typing anything?
[19:18] <JohnDoe_71Rus> a_b0y: xscreesaver?
[19:19] <a_b0y> JohnDoe_71Rus i have that setup too, should i turn that off?
[19:20] <a_b0y> i set both the screen save and monitor to go blank and shut off in 10 mins
[19:20] <a_b0y> brb  in 10 mins :P
[19:21] <holstein> lol.. you *could* test with a minute set there
[19:21] <a_b0y> yeah, but i have to go poop :P
[19:21] <a_b0y> lol
[19:21] <JohnDoe_71Rus> refused to xscreensaver. to disable the use xfce4-power-manager-settings. After turning on the screen, it seems darker than immediately after loading.
[19:22] <KM0201> why isn't lubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[19:22] <Unit193> Not enough devs.
[19:22] <KM0201> ic
[19:33] <a_b0y> ok it worked, but a couple seconds later it turns on and goes into the blank screensaver
[19:35] <a_b0y> so i guess i should disable screensaver, but then how do i set up password protect
[19:52] <a_b0y> so how do you set up screenlock, with the screen saver disabled?
[20:03] <phoenixandthor> Okay, has anyone already downloaded the new Lubuntu 12.04 and had a chance to mess whith it?
[20:03] <Unit193> Yes.
[20:04] <KM0201> phoenixandthor: i downloaded it back during beta 1
[20:05] <phoenixandthor> So, would you guys say it's ready for general use? No serious bugs?
[20:06] <holstein> phoenixandthor: what are you using now?
[20:06] <phoenixandthor> I'm using the previous version, 64 bit.
[20:06] <holstein> i can give you my opinion as to if you should..
[20:06] <holstein> if it aint broke..
[20:07] <phoenixandthor> dont fix it
[20:07] <Unit193> I last tried it back in the betas, but others are using it now.
[20:07] <holstein> theres not reason not to get it either...
[20:07] <holstein> not a reason*
[20:07] <phoenixandthor> lol
[20:08] <phoenixandthor> Of course, since it's not for my main machine, I say fix it until is broken, then fix it again.
[20:09] <phoenixandthor> So does 12.04 transer to a flash drive with Unetbootin okay? Any problems with casper?
[20:09] <Unit193> The only big reason I can think of to say is that the repos are being slow as many are using them now.
[20:16] <iczesmv> Does anyone know what the md5sum for lubuntu 12.04 desktop i386 is?
[20:19] <bioterror> 0fc9564b8fde8ff56100c3d7814fa884 *lubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[20:20] <iczesmv> Thank you let me check real quick.
[20:21] <iczesmv> looks like my torrent went smoothly.
[20:21] <bioterror> mostly it does
[20:22] <iczesmv> bye
[20:23] <KM0201> i never check the md5sums..lol, ever
[20:24] <bioterror> yeah, my life is too short for ejecting usb pen drives and checking md5sums
[20:24] <jr_ctv> just upgraded from 11 to 12
[20:25] <jr_ctv> and now openbox does not want to read $HOME/.config/openbox/menu.xml
[20:25] <holstein> 11.10?
[20:25] <jr_ctv> unless i explicitly tell it to in $HOME/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[20:25] <jr_ctv> was 11.10
[20:25] <jr_ctv> now 12.04
[20:26] <jr_ctv> took some digging to find that the menu it does read is /etc/xdg/lubuntu/openbox/menu.xml
[20:26] <holstein> i would probablyjust move that config out of the way for a bit, and test
[20:27] <holstein> if that were to make me uncomfortable, i would temproarily make another user account and test
[20:27] <jr_ctv> i "fixed" it by changing
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[20:27] <jr_ctv>     <file>$HOME/.config/openbox/menu.xml</file>
[20:28] <jr_ctv> which is weird since it seems never to read /usr/share/lubuntu/openbox/menu.xml
[20:35] <jr_ctv> my mistake, openbox does read  /usr/share/lubuntu/openbox/menu.xml if it is there (in favor of $HOME/.config/openbox/menu.xml (which is think is a bug))
[20:36] <jr_ctv> but it will read $HOME/.config/openbox/menu.xml if i move /usr/share/lubuntu/openbox/menu.xml out of the way
[20:58] <AmberJ_> Quickie question: What's the keyboard shortcut to switch virtual desktops?
[20:58] <bioterror> alt+alt + arrows
[20:58] <bioterror> ctrl+alt + arrows
[20:59] <Unit193> Scroller on desktop too.
[20:59] <umbro> hi
[20:59] <AmberJ_> What if I want to bind it to other key combination?
[21:00] <bioterror> then you bind it
[21:00] <AmberJ_> How?
[21:00] <AmberJ_> :)
[21:00] <bioterror> edit lubuntu-rc.xml
[21:01] <AmberJ_> I guess I need something along these lines: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F
[21:01] <AmberJ_> Thanks a lot!
[21:03] <Unit193> Yepper.
[21:03] <umbro> Could someone help? Both my CD and USB installations of minimal Lubuntu freeze when I choose Install or Command-line install
[21:04] <AmberJ_> Which key does key="W-F1" refers to? Win+F1?
[21:04] <bioterror> yes
[21:05] <AmberJ_> Isn't Win key supposed to be Super_L and Super_R?
[21:05] <Unit193> umbro: I'd say switch to a TTY and check logs.
[21:05] <AmberJ_> Nevermind. I guess both.
[21:37] <aRn0> Hi all. I got 2 gigs of RAM. What is the exact swap size I need to enter when partitioning: 2000 MB or 2048 MB? Does it matter?
[21:38] <GridCube> nope
[21:39] <GridCube> recomendation is about the same as your ram, but thats a recomendation, i use 6gb of swap
[21:39] <aRn0> What do you guys enter, just 2000_
[21:39] <GridCube> i like to use 10¹⁰
[21:39] <GridCube> :P
[21:39] <GridCube> 2¹⁰
[22:13] <rawfodog> lol whats wrong with the lubuntu updater ?
[22:14] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: the Ubuntu servers are on fire
[22:14] <gordonjcp> mostly
[22:14] <rawfodog> I tried going to 12.04, and man my laptop is alll messed up now. There was a ton of packages that were "broken", way to many to list, and the updater (after leaving it on ALL NIGHT) quit/xkilled lol
[22:14] <rawfodog> So I restarted my laptop ....
[22:14] <rawfodog> and now the login screen has no art, and my login doesnt work XD
[22:14] <rawfodog> hahaha
[22:15] <rawfodog> Luckly I have backups and stuff, but man did my laptop ever just take it lol
[22:15] <rawfodog> Should I just download the is or something ? I guess I should fresh install this
[22:17] <rawfodog> luckly this months issue of linux pro came with a trusty knopix cd :)
[22:17] <Unit193> Switch to a tty and try running  sudo apt-get install -f; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[22:17] <Unit193> (Order may need tweaking)
[22:18] <rawfodog> Great idea Unit193
[22:18] <Unit193> Mine are typically stupid.... ;)
[22:18] <rawfodog> We have login :)
[22:20] <rawfodog> "could not resolve" etc
[22:20] <rawfodog> lol guess this means ubuntu is popular now ?
[22:20] <rawfodog> Or is this microsoft DDOSing ubuntu ?
[22:21] <Unit193> Try dig archive.ubuntu.com
[23:21] <akls> how can I change lubuntu artwork back to 11.10 ?