[00:21] <AaronCampbell> On my laptop, post 12.04 update, ctrl+alt+up maximizes a window.  On my desktop it doesn't...instead alt+f10 does.  Holding Super shows this.  What's different?
[00:23] <bazhang> #ubuntu   AaronCampbell
[01:57] <cordoval> my machine crashed on an install
[01:58] <cordoval> now gives me git id unknown or similar
[01:58] <cordoval> on bootup
[01:58] <cordoval> what can i do?
[02:12] <ripps> Is there any way to intergrate Unity's HUD with Gnome3
[02:13] <Daekdroom> Precise support is now at #ubuntu
[02:30] <psusi> is anyone else unable to zsync the final release from releases.ubuntu.com?  my download keeps aborting
[02:33] <Daekdroom> psusi, Precise support is now at #ubuntu
[02:37] <Fyodorovna> psusi, you can zsync the daily they are the same right now
[02:39] <Fyodorovna> psusi, here is the 32 bit live cd.  zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[02:40] <psusi> hrm... I've got the 64 bit from the other day, I usually update to the final release from releases.ubuntu.com, but it isn't working for some reason... I guess I'll try the daily-live again if it still matches the release...
[02:41] <holstein> psusi: you can upgrade what you have
[02:41] <holstein> you dont need to download a new iso and reinstall
[02:41] <psusi> I have, I just want to update my iso image to the final release so I can seed it on bittorrent
[02:42] <psusi> it seems like there's something wrong with the release servers though
[02:42] <Daekdroom> Too much traffic is what's wrong.
[02:43] <taxman> i just downloaded 12.04 from the canonical server. no problem
[02:43] <Fyodorovna> psusi, I have all six release on torrent open on deluge right now peers drawing.
[02:43] <taxman> it's smooth like a charm
[02:44] <psusi> taxman, via zsync?
[02:44] <Fyodorovna> no peers that is
[02:44] <taxman> psusi, no, by http
[02:44] <psusi> yea, it seems there is just a problem with zsync
[03:17] <cordoval_> someone help please
[03:18] <cordoval_> my ubuntu upgrade was going smooth until the graphic environment crashed past the starting of the installing process
[03:18] <cordoval_> and i went and reboot it because i did not see anything on screen
[03:18] <cordoval_> now it gives me some message like git id not found or unrecognized or unknown
[03:18] <cordoval_> this does after starting some services
[03:25] <tsimpson> cordoval_: support is now in #ubuntu
[03:26] <cordoval_> oh no
[03:26] <cordoval_> can you help me please?
[03:26] <cordoval_> I am downloading the iso but can it be that it can be fixed without it
[03:26] <cordoval_> just some commands?
[03:26] <cordoval_> please
[03:26] <cordoval_> beg you
[03:26] <tsimpson> just ask in #ubuntu
[06:11] <Bennlucky7> a
[06:35] <marcm> well, I've checked out Ubuntu 12.04 on the server.... what a dissapointment
[06:35] <marcm> seems like Ubuntu pushed this release out the door
[06:39] <rymate1234> marcm, how come?
[06:40] <marcm> rymate1234 it was rushed out the door....
[06:40] <marcm> rymate1234 for example:
[06:40] <marcm> rymate1234 if you install Ubuntu 12.04 under KVM or Xen-HVM and don't uninstall AppArmor during the install you can't properly boot
[06:41] <marcm> rymate1234 then MySQL 5.5 - this is a MySQL release that no serious Enterprise player has touched yet
[06:42] <marcm> rymate1234 Still patching the default PHP with Suhosin, even do Debian has been talking about how bad of an idea this was, and the PHP devs hate Suhosin, not to mention that it's a crap-shoot
[06:42] <marcm> rymate1234 Nginx 1.20 has been released 4 days ago, which is the final version, yet Ubuntu 12.04 shipped with beta 1.19
[06:42] <marcm> rymate1234 Where the hell is Apache 2.4?
[06:43] <marcm> rymate1234 Can't install Grub 1 (aka Grub Legacy) - which is a must if I want to make Xen PV templates
[06:43] <marcm> what can I say, it's ... beta quality
[06:59] <micahg> marcm: Debian Import Freeze was almost 4 months ago, importing anything after that required someone requesting it, Debian hasn't packaged nginx 1.1.20 yet and we have that package unchanged from Debian, apache2.4 came after feature freeze
[07:00] <marcm> micahg It's all good, I'm sure it's a great Desktop release do :)
[07:00] <micahg> marcm: and about apparmor under kvm and xen, if you have a test case, please file a bug
[07:01] <micahg> marcm: it's meant to be a great release all around, unfortunately, the timing of release of some upstream projects was incompatible with being in precise
[07:01] <marcm> micahg I do, and I will
[07:01] <micahg> marcm: thanks
[07:01] <micahg> also, there are plans for a backport of apache2.4 to precise since it won't break any of the 2.2 packages
[07:02] <marcm> micahg it would have been cool to ship Precise with MySQL 5.1 and have 5.5 as a backport
[07:03] <marcm> micahg MySQL 5.5 is harder to tune, not to mention that it's not yet as mature as 5.1
[07:03] <micahg> marcm: mysql 5.1 would probably not be  supportable for 5 years
[07:04] <micahg> and since we seem to be pushing new versions of mysql for security updates lately, as it matures, everyone will benefit ;)
[07:05] <micahg> if you need 5.1, lucid is still supported on the server until 2015
[07:05] <micahg> anyways, this is all offtopic, since this channel is for Quantal support (which no one could probably even install yet :D)
[07:07] <marcm> micahg I have learned the very hard way to balance features and reliability on the server side... in other words, as much as I like to be bleeding edge, I have to abstain... 10.04 LTS will have to do for now
[07:13] <htorque> micahg: not install, but: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/quantal-changes/2012-April/thread.html :-P
[07:17] <micahg> htorque: yes, there were a few uploads :)
[07:27] <marcm> micahg how do you decide when to freeze a debian tree?
[07:30] <micahg> marcm: we have a release schedule :)
[07:31] <marcm> micahg your release schedule is pretty agressive
[07:42] <Edico> hi
[07:42] <Edico> how can I see if I still use a beta version or the final release?
[07:42] <Ian_Corne> if you updated
[07:42] <Ian_Corne> you're running the final release
[08:46] <fishcooker> where can i see the list of bug of PP?
[10:12] <electronics-cat> are we there yet?
[10:16] <snadge> yep.. now its all about 12.04 + 1 :p
[10:17] <electronics-cat> hmm
[10:17] <electronics-cat> is there a beta out for 12.04+1
[10:17] <electronics-cat> i downloaded ubuntu
[10:17] <snadge> i dont even think it exists yet
[10:17] <snadge> need to let the shockwaves from 12.04 settle a bit first
[10:18] <snadge> before diving back into updating and breaking stuff again ;)
[10:18] <electronics-cat> i like shockwaves
[10:18] <electronics-cat> nothing breaks in linux
[10:18] <electronics-cat> ;)
[10:18] <electronics-cat> i need to get new HDD for ubuntu
[10:20] <head_victim> It's usually around UDS that things start kicking for +1
[10:21] <head_victim> Funny though, that I've had a great experience with the +1 on virtualbox until the day before release suddenly whene ver 3d is enabled it freezes within 30 secs of boot with no apparent error. Timing was perfect, now at least I have a good reason to put it on the metal.
[10:24] <electronics-cat> i like vmware
[10:24] <taxman> is time to talk about 12.10?
[10:25] <head_victim> First issue I've had with vb and only installed it on a whim ages ago. Might look into the issue, if I can't fix it in 5 minutes I will probably try vmware
[10:26] <taxman> why not qemu-kvm?
[10:26] <taxman> kvm is the best choice for linux
[10:45] <electronics-cat> gnu plus linux
[10:45] <electronics-cat> :3
[11:07] <frybye> hi - what extension of the command "ps" do I need to get it to list for (e.g.) skype???
[11:08] <frybye> I have of course tried to use    man ps   but it returns far too much info for me to figure out what I need...
[11:08] <BluesKaj> whynot just man skype
[11:09] <frybye> I need the process number for skype in order to be able to kill it?
[11:09] <frybye> when it has hung up...
[11:09] <ajf> Hey uh
[11:09] <ajf> with Additional Drivers
[11:09] <electronics-cat> frybye: just try incremental numbers until you get it
[11:09] <electronics-cat> lol
[11:09] <ajf> do I install FLRX, FGLRX post-release updates, or both?
[11:10] <BluesKaj> frybye, system monitor should have a PID option
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> frybye; kilall skype ?
[11:11] <frybye> perhaps I am expressing myself badly - there is an extension/  ie  -xyz type ending for command ps which will list all processes for a given application ???
[11:11] <frybye> I am a disabled war veteran with a damaged memory.. I have known the answer to this previously but just can't remember the command right now... jeez
[11:12] <frybye> is it killall skype or really kilall skype?
[11:12] <frybye> ie kil or kill?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> frybye, well , why not just try the system monitor ..btw your memory is probly better than mine . I can't recall the command either
[11:13] <rye> frybye: "pidof skype"?
[11:14] <frybye> BluesKaj: I am not aware of a system monitor in ubuntu?
[11:15] <frybye> rye: you serious?
[11:16] <frybye> rye - sorry - I see now that that really does work - amazing....
[11:16] <frybye> just too easy - well even a bit un-linux like.. heheh
[11:16] <electronics-cat> yeah i never knew of it
[11:17] <frybye> and BluesKaj: so where is this system monitor - how to get it up?
[11:18] <electronics-cat> the ubuntu software centre may have your answer
[11:18] <electronics-cat> if my copy had installed i'd have a look
[11:18] <BluesKaj> frybye, alt+f2 , system monitor
[11:19] <electronics-cat> so thats built into the ubuntus
[11:19] <electronics-cat> i'll have to try it
[11:20] <BluesKaj> it should be installed by default ..I use kde so I"m not sure where it's located in the menu in unity or gnome
[11:23] <frybye> system monitor does not seem to be installed as default - but the sw center has found it...
[11:23] <BluesKaj> odd
[11:24] <frybye> what I have found is ksysguard
[11:24] <frybye> part of KDE base workspace module
[11:27] <rye> frybye: gnome-system-monitor
[11:32] <frybye> rye: thanks pal - thats the one..
[11:35] <frybye> bye for now - thanks all...
[12:04] <BluesKaj> what's the fix for the update manager not showing a release is available? ...getting tired of all the probs with that damm thing not working
[12:04] <Ian_Corne> when I try to ugrade, it wants to remove lzma
[12:28] <astraljava> BluesKaj: It does show Precise for my on my Xubuntu 11.10 box, though, so which release are you on when you try it?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> astraljava, the qusetion wasn't for me, it was for ppl I'm trying to help over at #kubuntu and yofel pointed out that if users want to upgrade to 12.04 they have to set the update manager to normal then update/upgrade in 11.10 first before trying the do-release-upgrade to 12.04
[12:33] <astraljava> BluesKaj: Yeah ok. Well, LTS-to-LTS upgrade path will be supported on the first point release. Other than that, upgrading is possibly only between consecutive releases.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> uhmm...yeah , but there was a bug in the update manager that was preventing the release upgrade , so updating/upgrading before do-release-upgrade fixed the problem
[12:36] <astraljava> BluesKaj: Oh ok.
[12:37] <astraljava> do-release-upgrade downloads necessary stuff for the dist-upgrading to commence, so perhaps there was just a glitch in that toolchain or something.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> this bug was in the update manager , it was showing no releases available when the notifier was set to normal, before any commands where tries afaik
[12:44] <BluesKaj> were tried
[12:48] <Pici> hm.. looks like quantal is already getting new packages.
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Pici, really ?
[12:50] <Pici> gcc | 4:4.6.3-1ubuntu5 |       precise vs. gcc | 4:4.7.0-5ubuntu1 |       quantal
[12:51] <astraljava> BluesKaj: Well... I don't understand it, then. If update-manager has been fixed now, what more fixes are needed, then?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> astraljava, ppl aren't updating /upgrading in 11.10 before they try to upgrade to 12.04
[12:54] <snadge> err.. firefox is out of date already
[12:54] <snadge> wtf :p
[12:55] <snadge> my freebsd install has firefox 12
[12:55] <snadge> and freebsd sucks
[12:55] <astraljava> BluesKaj: Hmm... wonder if it should be recommended in the release notes in the first place.
[12:55] <snadge> how can freebsd have a newer version of firefox than the latest version of ubuntu.. this is a tragedy ;)
[12:56] <micahg> snadge: Firefox 12 was pushed out already :)
[12:56] <snadge> it was?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> astraljava, probly a good idea
[12:56] <micahg> !info firefox
[12:56] <micahg> bah :)
[12:56] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/
[12:56] <snadge> i know right!?! wtf.. freebsd!?
[12:56] <snadge> its dead already ;)
[12:56] <snadge> netcraft confirmed it centuries ago
[12:57] <snadge> oh 14 hours ago.. wtf.. my mirror hasn't synced yet.. fail ;)
[12:57] <micahg> snadge: no, it's really updated, I pushed it out
[12:57] <snadge> someone ring up internode.. and spank their bottoms
[12:58] <snadge> how can something that was released 14 hours ago.. not be in their mirror yet.. fail
[13:00] <snadge> lucky i have a shell script which switches my repo to the main ones
[13:00] <snadge> so i can get the latest crack fix
[13:01] <snadge> maybe i should help out with the mirroring system.. my bet is its a hodge podge of scripts and based on rsync
[13:02] <snadge> and heavily depends on the amount of fail the repo maintainers feel like failing
[13:02] <yofel> astraljava, BluesKaj: to be precise, it was software-properties-kde that was broken
[13:02] <snadge> particularly with security updates.. these should hit the mirrors the minute they're released
[13:02] <yofel> update-manager is fine, but was using wrong settings due to the bug
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok thanks
[13:03] <snadge> lol 30k/sec of archive.ubuntu.com .. *cries*
[13:03] <snadge> maybe this is why the mirror systems are failing :p
[13:04] <snadge> too many crack addicts
[13:04] <glosoli> anyone can remind me a hotkey and scroll combination to change Transparence of current Window ?
[13:04] <snadge> need a better content delivery system
[13:05] <yofel> snadge: actually, the mirroring system is a matter of installing apt-mirror, configuring it, and configuring the http access
[13:05] <snadge> you guys should probably do some consulting with people like akamai and edgecast
[13:06] <snadge> nobody should have access to the main content source
[13:06] <snadge> the mirrors should have unlimited super high speed access to it
[13:06] <snadge> and everyone else should be forced to use mirrors.. and the updates pushed to the mirrors immediately
[13:07] <snadge> problem solved ;)
[13:08] <snadge> also high traffic porn sites know how its done :p
[13:09] <snadge> people are hammering the main servers because a) they're stupid b) the mirrors are stale (probably because of a)
[13:09] <Daekdroom> stale?
[13:10] <snadge> yeah.. well my isps mirror doesnt have firefox 12 yet
[13:10] <snadge> it was released 14 hours ago
[13:10] <Pici> They're hitting the main servers because they never botehred to change the defaults.
[13:10] <snadge> wtf
[13:10] <Daekdroom> I was using the main server.
[13:10] <snadge> so i've switched to the main swerver.. because of that.. and now im getting dialup speeds
[13:10] <snadge> yay ;)
[13:10] <Daekdroom> Until I realized I couldn't install 2,2MiB worth of packages.
[13:11] <Daekdroom> Then I changed to my country's mirror and yay, new Firefox!
[13:11] <snadge> yeah i could probably use au.ubuntu.com
[13:11] <Pici> !mirrorstatus
[13:11] <snadge> but internode (my isp) has free traffic
[13:11] <snadge> so my complaint is probably more accurately directed towards them
[13:12] <snadge> yay there it is
[13:12] <Daekdroom> That page is awesome!
[13:13] <snadge> Internode http ftp rsync 1 Gbps Last update unknown
[13:14] <snadge> luls
[13:14] <snadge> i knew it .. aarnet is the only australian mirror known to be up to date
[13:14] <snadge> and they're a university.. i should dob them in to the government for wasting tax payers money
[13:14] <Daekdroom> There are mirrors that have only 10Mibs :o
[13:14] <Daekdroom> *mbps
[13:15] <snadge> LOL optus is 10mbps
[13:15] <snadge> i remember back in the 90s.. when i had a 10mbit coax network
[13:15] <Daekdroom> There are 7 university mirrors in my country.
[13:15] <snadge> i can imagine thats what optus are using.. maybe a terminator fell off one of the t pieces
[13:15] <Daekdroom> Every single one of them is government-funded and owned.
[13:16] <Daekdroom> It's also interesting that most mirrors have only i386 and amd64
[13:21] <BluesKaj> here , the smaller U's seems to be up to date
[13:21] <BluesKaj> U=University
[13:25] <snadge> better drink some more moonshine
[13:38] <BluesKaj> snadge, watch that liver :)
[13:49] <mneptok> ikonia: at your leisure, sir.
[13:49] <ikonia> oooh there you co
[13:50] <ikonia> guys, we're going to clear down #ubuntu+1 until the 12.10 development cycle gets moving
[13:50] <mneptok> OK folks, the new Ubuntu is out. time to ask you all to leave so we can clean the counters.
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ok , I know when I'm not wanted :)