=== Jacky is now known as jacky === jalcine is now known as jacky === jacky is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as Jacky === Jacky is now known as jacky === jacky is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as siibot === siibot is now known as Jacky === Jacky is now known as siibot === siibot is now known as jacky [16:16] Hello all [16:24] hi Dave_Hunt [16:25] Oh, hi, didn't hear you at first. Just installed the full release of 12.04; trying to get things talking right. [19:33] hi all. [19:37] anyone knows an accessible twitter client for ubuntu? [20:57] What's the preferred method for running gnome magnifier under ubuntu? (11.10 or 12.04) [20:58] Orca runs pretty well on both, and I especially liked the ability for me to run it off of a 12.04 b2 live-cd. [20:59] Theoretically there's a magnifier component to orca, but I don't see a tab for it in Orca preferences. Thoughts before I file a bug? [21:05] anyone knows a accessible twitter client? [21:06] DomasoFan: what have you tried so far? [21:07] colonelqubit: well i tried gwibber but that seems not to be that accessible. [21:07] gotcha [21:08] Someone mentioned empathy, but I can't find the page right now [21:08] well its preinstalled with ubuntu 12.04 [21:08] (and I've never used empathy w/twitter... not sure about that) [21:08] colonelqubit: as an audio player i currently use audacious. its quite nice [21:09] DomasoFan: Are you using orca? [21:09] yeah [21:09] cool [21:10] colonelqubit: my main pc still runs windows but my old laptop runs ubuntu now. testing ubuntu now a few years. [21:11] I'm trying to help a friend start using ubuntu, but I have several hurdles (she has poor vision, she has basically no computer experience, and she's a few thousand miles away) [21:11] colonelqubit: *lol*. cool. never thought that some people can get so fsat ahead. [21:14] I don't usually use a screen reader, but I've been trying to understand the technology so I can help my friends. [21:14] colonelqubit: so you are fully sighted? thats cool that you are helping. [21:14] I can work in gedit and the terminal a little bit, but I get lost in firefox [21:15] well its different cause orca does things different. it creates a virtual buffer where it stores the site. [21:16] with the arrow keys you can go through the page and with tab you can jump to links formfields or other focusable elements. with h you can navigate to headings. with 1-6 you can go by the different heading levels. there are many more keys you can use [21:18] domasofan: yes, I'm fully sighted (nearsighted, actually). Some of my friends are older, and are experiencing macular degeneration, or have lost their sight from diabetes. [21:18] ah, cool. A virtual buffer makes sense. [21:20] I wish that there were some kind of interactive tutorial for using Orca. Like "press Ctrl+h to enter the help learn mode"...and then a "good" confirmation when you've done that step. [21:20] yeah. there is insert+h. then you can hit keys [21:20] there is also orca help on http://live.gnome.org/Orca [21:21] I know that a lot of modern videogames have interactive in-game tutorials for teaching people how to use the controls [21:22] it seems like these are more intuitive methods for training, rather than just a manual or a set of key combinations. [21:23] there are some orca videos on youtube and some podcasts. but the most things are in the manual. oh and there is a mailing list for orca and for the ubuntu accessibility in general [21:24] domasofan: I know that one of my friends is really interested in getting online so that they can send email. What email client do you use? [21:25] ok. let's help you here. how is the computer connected? [21:26] or does the computer actually has a connection to the net. so can you open the browser and it shows a website? [21:29] Domasofan: They're all set with a connection [21:29] but I'm considering preconfiguring a machine and then shipping it to them (because they're so far away) [21:32] ok. do you have skype or something? [21:39] domasofan: I try to avoid skype, but I do use empathy for audio/video chat. [21:39] hmm. wonder if i can do that wirh miranda. is empathy using jabber? [21:40] domasofan: Do you hang out in #ubuntu-accessibility often? I might need to run off soon, but I'd really like to talk to you later [21:40] domasofan: yes, by default empathy audio/video chat is running over jabber. [21:41] sometimes i am here. via audio would be good cause then you can hear whats going on and i can hear whats going on at your side. [21:41] my jabber address is domasofan@jabber.ccc.de [21:43] cool. I'm qubit@jabber.org [21:46] domasofan: i'll ping you to make sure I have the right address [21:46] you are added. [21:46] * colonelqubit thinks "great minds think alike..." [21:49] domasofan: thanks for all of your advice and help.