[16:16] <Dave_Hunt> Hello all
[16:24] <Pendulum> hi Dave_Hunt 
[16:25] <Dave_Hunt> Oh, hi, didn't hear you at first.  Just installed the full release of 12.04; trying to get things talking right.
[19:33] <DomasoFan> hi all.
[19:37] <DomasoFan> anyone knows an accessible twitter client for ubuntu?
[20:57] <colonelqubit> What's the preferred method for running gnome magnifier under ubuntu? (11.10 or 12.04)
[20:58] <colonelqubit> Orca runs pretty well on both, and I especially liked the ability for me to run it off of a 12.04 b2 live-cd.
[20:59] <colonelqubit>  Theoretically there's a magnifier component to orca, but I don't see a tab for it in Orca preferences. Thoughts before I file a bug?
[21:05] <DomasoFan> anyone knows a accessible twitter client?
[21:06] <colonelqubit> DomasoFan: what have you tried so far?
[21:07] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: well i tried gwibber but that seems not to be that accessible.
[21:07] <colonelqubit> gotcha
[21:08] <colonelqubit> Someone mentioned empathy, but I can't find the page right now
[21:08] <DomasoFan> well its preinstalled with ubuntu 12.04
[21:08] <colonelqubit> (and I've never used empathy w/twitter... not sure about that)
[21:08] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: as an audio player i currently use audacious. its quite nice
[21:09] <colonelqubit> DomasoFan: Are you using orca?
[21:09] <DomasoFan> yeah
[21:09] <colonelqubit> cool
[21:10] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: my main pc still runs windows but my old laptop runs ubuntu now. testing ubuntu now a few years.
[21:11] <colonelqubit> I'm trying to help a friend start using ubuntu, but I have several hurdles (she has poor vision, she has basically no computer experience, and she's a few thousand miles away)
[21:11] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: *lol*. cool. never thought that some people can get so fsat ahead.
[21:14] <colonelqubit> I don't usually use a screen reader, but I've been trying to understand the technology so I can help my friends.
[21:14] <DomasoFan> colonelqubit: so you are fully sighted? thats cool that you are helping.
[21:14] <colonelqubit> I can work in gedit and the terminal a little bit, but I get lost in firefox
[21:15] <DomasoFan> well its different cause orca does things different. it creates a virtual buffer where it stores the site.
[21:16] <DomasoFan> with the arrow keys you can go through the page and with tab you can jump to links formfields or other focusable elements. with h you can navigate to headings. with 1-6 you can go by the different heading levels. there are many more keys you can use
[21:18] <colonelqubit> domasofan: yes, I'm fully sighted (nearsighted, actually). Some of my friends are older, and are experiencing macular degeneration, or have lost their sight from diabetes.
[21:18] <colonelqubit> ah, cool. A virtual buffer makes sense.
[21:20] <colonelqubit> I wish that there were some kind of interactive tutorial for using Orca. Like "press Ctrl+h to enter the help learn mode"...and then a "good" confirmation when you've done that step.
[21:20] <DomasoFan> yeah. there is insert+h. then you can hit keys
[21:20] <DomasoFan> there is also orca help on http://live.gnome.org/Orca
[21:21] <colonelqubit> I know that a lot of modern videogames have interactive in-game tutorials for teaching people how to use the controls
[21:22] <colonelqubit> it seems like these are more intuitive methods for training, rather than just a manual or a set of key combinations.
[21:23] <DomasoFan> there are some orca videos on youtube and some podcasts. but the most things are in the manual. oh and there is a mailing list for orca and for the ubuntu accessibility in general
[21:24] <colonelqubit> domasofan: I know that one of my friends  is really interested in getting online so that they can send email. What email client do you use?
[21:25] <DomasoFan> ok. let's help you here. how is the computer connected?
[21:26] <DomasoFan> or does the computer actually has a connection to the net. so can you open the browser and it shows a website?
[21:29] <colonelqubit> Domasofan: They're all set with a connection
[21:29] <colonelqubit> but I'm considering preconfiguring a machine and then shipping it to them (because they're so far away)
[21:32] <DomasoFan> ok. do you have skype or something?
[21:39] <colonelqubit> domasofan: I try to avoid skype, but I do use empathy for audio/video chat.
[21:39] <DomasoFan> hmm. wonder if i can do that wirh miranda. is empathy using jabber?
[21:40] <colonelqubit> domasofan: Do you hang out in #ubuntu-accessibility often? I might need to run off soon, but I'd really like to talk to you later
[21:40] <colonelqubit> domasofan: yes, by default empathy audio/video chat is running over jabber.
[21:41] <DomasoFan> sometimes i am here. via audio would be good cause then you can hear whats going on and i can hear whats going on at your side.
[21:41] <DomasoFan> my jabber address is domasofan@jabber.ccc.de
[21:43] <colonelqubit> cool. I'm qubit@jabber.org
[21:46] <colonelqubit> domasofan: i'll ping you to make sure I have the right address
[21:46] <DomasoFan> you are added.
[21:46]  * colonelqubit thinks "great minds think alike..."
[21:49] <colonelqubit> domasofan: thanks for all of your advice and help.