=== bkerensa is now known as Tester === Tester is now known as TesterBlah123 === TesterBlah123 is now known as bkerensa [05:28] <_k> ubuntu 12.04 crashes my laptop with 2 monitors :/ === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [07:56] found some irritating bug in rubygems, here's the report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rubygems/+bug/989454 [07:56] Launchpad bug 989454 in rubygems "rubygems lacks a bin directory on default install" [Undecided,New] [07:59] can someone check this out? === yofel_ is now known as yofel === greyback is now known as greybacklunch === greybacklunch is now known as greyback|lunch === bilal_ is now known as bilal === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:31] Is there something I can do to make someone interested in fixing this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/881628 [14:31] Launchpad bug 881628 in unity "Bad performance after a few minutes" [Undecided,New] [14:31] Can I supply more information somehow? [15:06] I reported a bug on Launchpad, how can I help get it fixed quicker? This is really starting to piss me off... [15:06] RobinJ1995, bug #? [15:08] On another note, how the * did you manage to make the so-called "stable" release buggier than beta 2Nµ [15:08] ? [15:08] upgrade to 12.04 on my System76 Darter Ultra results in no wifi and no touchpad... any suggestions for fixing either? [15:08] ^ [15:09] Daekdroom, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/984991 [15:09] Launchpad bug 984991 in pulseaudio "[Latitude D620, SigmaTel STAC9200, Speaker, Internal] Sound disappears" [Undecided,New] [15:11] .... the cameleon buttons on the unity launcher are borked as well.... [15:12] and they work again, lol [15:13] seems to be related to my wallpaper :/ [15:13] What is wrong with the buttons? [15:13] if i choose a certain wallpaper the dash button becomes orange and all the rest becomes a dark brown [15:14] I have the same question on how I can speed up work on a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/881628 [15:14] Launchpad bug 881628 in unity "Bad performance after a few minutes" [Undecided,New] [15:14] RobinJ1995, The rest of the launcher or the rest of the icons? [15:14] both [15:14] the chameleonic icons that is [15:15] but i've been messing around with unity's dconf so that could be it :p [15:15] the sound issue is more important [15:15] Every chamaleonic icon (and Dash) should look the same color, but the background is darker. [15:16] might also just be my screen settings, by the way. http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads5/4f9ab84e317ef/4f9ab84e12420-Screenshot_from_2012-04-27_17%3A15%3A44.png [15:17] oh wait... probably because i turned the light of inactive icons off. that may be why the dash button is brighter [15:18] Daekdroom, just checked, that's indeed the cause. but back to the sound issue (there are also huge performance issues it seems ....) [15:19] what a suprise... performance issue is mount.ntfs, so not a real surprise [15:20] but what about the sound issue? [15:20] It looks to me that there's enough information in the bug report [15:20] Hm.. [15:21] Although it doesn't make it clear whether it's an alsa or a pulseaudio issue. [15:21] i don't know. i just guessed it was pulseaudio [15:21] didn't really think of it [15:23] if i see one more of those "Ubuntu has experienced an internal error" boxes, I'm going mad.... :@ [15:24] so far i'm incredibly disappointed :/ [15:24] RobinJ1995, thats why upgrades only get enabled for the .1 release usually ;) [15:24] ogra_, didn't update [15:24] *upgrade [15:24] this is a fresh installation [15:24] but you also didnt wait for the .1 iso :) [15:24] no, i didn't [15:25] so help finding and fixing the bugs before .1 [15:25] but note that all devs are pretty exhausted after working 20h days for two weeks to make the release happen [15:25] or just try to bring it to the dev's minds to NOT RELEASE BUGGY STUFF WITH A "STABLE" LABEL [15:25] it was the same with mint 12 [15:26] the .1 is the stable laebl [15:26] they just call every release stable [15:26] and i wont start about mint or their disabled security [15:26] the beta's are usually more stable somehow xd [15:26] well, gotta go [15:26] brb [15:27] in any case, file bugs and be patient, someone will get to your bug eventually [15:43] I'm doing do-release-upgrade from 12.04 from 11.10, and I get several warnings/errors. Is there a place interested in observing such info? this chan? [15:43] *from 11.10 to 12.04 [15:43] which warnings/errors? and tbh, I've gotten errors during every in-place upgrade i've ever done :P [15:44] E: Error: BrokenCount > 0run-parts: /etc/update-motd.d/90-updates-available exited with return code 255 [15:44] dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/etc/etc/bash_completion.d': Directory not empty [15:44] dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/etc/etc': Directory not empty [15:58] rmdir: failed to remove `/var/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4': Directory not empty [15:59] dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/share/doc/uno-libs3/demo': Directory not empty [16:03] E: namespace:121: cannot remove /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/lazr/__init__.py [16:04] ogra_, hopefully before i decide to throw ubuntu out [16:04] btw, can i change the priority myself, or not? [16:04] derp [16:04] you need to be member of the bugsquad i think [16:04] so delete it manually? [16:04] ok, i'm not :p [16:04] well, as i said above, for the last two weeks everyone worked like 20h days for 7 days/week [16:05] so all devs are currently rather in recovery mode, thats what i mean with "be patient" [16:05] if you can't get things stable in time, then why not postpone release? it will spare people a lot of freustration [16:05] next week it should be better again [16:06] RobinJ1995, well, you are free to wait for 12.04.1 [16:06] no i'm not, it's already on here [16:06] just don't release beta software under a stable label [16:06] 12.04 isnt supposed to be bugfree [16:07] it is stable in the sense that it doesnt change beyond getting bugfixes [16:07] bugfree? i'd like to see that. i'd already be happy with "just working" [16:07] it seems things have only been getting worse since beta 2 [16:08] 12.04.1 will be stable enough that it will be the release for enterprise users ... which is the reason why the update-manager will only offer that to LTS users [16:08] can anyone help me try and find a temporary solution, then? [16:08] while things might have gone worse for you they only have gotten better for me since beta [16:09] there are millions of ubuntu users out there which likely have the same experience as me [16:09] and theer are surely also users out there which have the same experience as you [16:09] whatever, can you try and help me find a temporary solution? if this isn't fixed in a few days my mother'll probably just switch back to windows (and to be honest, who can blame her?) [16:09] ugh, you installed 12.04 for your mom ? [16:09] yeah [16:10] you seriously should have waited for .1 [16:10] (i certainly do before upgrading my moms computer) [16:10] anyway, you had issues with sound ? [16:10] how should i know? if it's only beta quality than why not put a huge banner on the site "DO NOT INSTALL THIS, IT'S BETA QUALITY SOFTWARE" [16:11] yeah [16:11] i played around with the volume control a bit, and then the sound disappeared [16:11] so go to #ubuntu-kernel and see if diwic is still around, he is a sound expert and can probably help [16:12] (though he is european and might want to finish the day soon) [16:12] i'm european as well [16:12] * [diwic] barjavel.freenode.net :Paris, FR << i thinjk that should be the same timezone as i'm in [16:13] oh wait that's the location of the server, isn't it? >.< [16:13] yes [16:13] meh, i'll see [16:13] doesn't seem to respond anyway :( [16:14] well, we all had long two weeks with last minute fixes and image tests [16:15] don't kill me if i'm getting the wrong impression, but it seems this whole community-based development process is just a mess most of the times :/ [16:15] if your sound worked in the beginning, there is always the option to reinstall and not fiddle with the volume controls indeed :) [16:15] reinstall? i've installed it 3 hours ago >.< [16:16] thats why i said that ... you wont have much personal data on it yet [16:16] yeah i have [16:16] well nothing that's not backupped [16:16] ok now i'm going crazy [16:16] before your mom has to live without sound that might be the quicker option than having to wait til monday when devs show up again [16:17] Sorry, Ubuntu 12.04 has experienced an internal error [16:17] wtf [16:17] "send report" -> apport crashes [16:17] very nice... [16:18] kinda defeats the use of crash management [16:18] :p [16:19] haha [16:20] oh well, let's try to reproduce it on my laptop again (shouldn't be hard) [16:21] * ogra_ vanishes into the well deserved weekend ... [16:21] RobinJ1995, good luck [16:21] :p [16:22] * RobinJ1995 has an idea [16:54] whoa... inplace upgrade horribly failed [16:54] I'm typing from windows now [16:55] at some point the window manager died, then upgrade stuck at flash-plugin installer [16:56] any recommendations for figuring out why my laptop touchpad does not work since 12.04 upgrade? [16:58] FlimFlamMan, known problem since 11.10. install all updates and reboot twice. usually solves it [16:59] flash plugin can never download because at that point network connection was gone too (along with WM), so I switched to console, it said System Restart Required, I restarted, logged in [17:00] apt-get update did not work (Still no network), apt-get upgrade told me to run dpkg --reconfigure a [17:01] so I did it, WM died again, lots of errors/warnings, I restarted after reconfigure finished, and... no grub menu, nothing, just blinking cursor [17:03] see you after the point release, bye [17:22] Hi is this the correct place to talk about bugs in Ubuntu? [17:35] ahayzen: yes, if you have doubts on how to triage one [17:35] or general questions about bugs in Ubuntu [17:36] well I have found a bug... and found tht it is already reported (bug 979266) so I have confirmed it... but I feel that it is a very important bug and therefore needs attention. [17:36] Launchpad bug 979266 in gobject-introspection "Can't import GConf from gi.repository Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/979266 [17:37] hggdh: Basically when using Python you can't access GConf it just thinks its not there === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [17:38] hm I can't reproduce it [17:39] jtaylor: Are you on 64 bit? [17:39] ahayzen: yes [17:39] is there any code I can run to find the issue? [17:39] ahayzen: does ldd -r /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0/gconf.so 2>&1 | grep -v Py [17:40] show any undefined references? [17:40] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/950347/ [17:41] ahayzen: please do this: python -v -c "import gconf" | pastebinit [17:42] jtaylor: import gconf works correctly [17:42] oh what does not then? [17:42] its from gi.repository import GConf that doesn't [17:43] ahayzen: isn't it 'gconf', lower case? [17:44] hggdh: on 11.10 GConf was used when using the new GI packages eg Gtk3 [17:44] ah [17:44] * hggdh is not an expert on GTK, any version [17:44] otherwise you get some gobject error.... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/950357/ [17:45] they conflict or something [17:45] that affected update-manager once [17:45] it was fixed by using gsettings ... [17:46] is this really valid in gtk3? [17:46] I cannot even test, the archive is sorta slow... [17:46] jtaylor: is what valid? [17:46] from gi.repository import GConf [17:46] it was in 11.10 [17:47] see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/1:0.152.3 [17:48] so how would i, as a developer, use gsettings? [17:48] let me try in 32 bit [17:48] which packages are needed for that? [17:49] for GConf.... supposedly.... gnome-python https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gnome-python [17:49] which includes 'python-gconf: Python bindings for the GConf configuration database system' [17:51] maybe we are supposed to be using GSettings now then? [17:52] from gi.repository import Gio [17:52] then Gio.Settings but it is odd that GConf was included in 11.10 and now it has gone =-O [17:54] doesn't work in 32 bit for me either [17:55] there are some Gnome articles suggesting migration ... http://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/GSettingsMigration [17:55] so maybe GConf has been removed in GNOME 3.2 (is that wht we are on now) [17:57] jtaylor: ok so if that is true was should i do with the bug report? [17:58] wait for a reply by someone who knows this gnome crap [17:59] ok :) [18:00] jtaylor: Thank you very much for your help ... i think i've have a look into the gsettings thing and wait for a reply as u stated for the bug report [18:01] *i'll have a look [19:26] anyone seen any issues popping up about DNS resolution being flaky? [19:26] in 12.04 [19:31] hi all [19:31] I have to report a bug about cooling system [19:32] could someone tell me what package manage it? [20:31] why is +1 in invite only!? [20:32] FernandoMiguel, Ubuntu 12.04 was just officially release, so there is no #ubuntu+1 release right now.. [20:32] just? [20:32] dlentz: yes there is :) 12.10 ... I'm using it already [20:32] a bunch of us were yesterday [20:32] Description: Ubuntu quantal (development branch) [20:33] it actually has its own repos with stuff in them right now? [20:33] yes [20:33] it has them for over 24h now [20:35] dlentz: it's just a copy of release-1 initially. [20:36] FernandoMiguel: They often keep the channel as forwarding to #ubuntu for a while before the +1 cycle really get's started, and that leads to the invite-only thing if you are already in #ubuntu. [20:36] arand: I know [20:36] I expected it [20:39] byt 12.10 repos were already open yesterday [20:40] <_k> ubuntu 12.04 wont recognize my second monitor (it refers to it as a laptop) so i cant extend the displays, is this fixable? [20:42] _k: so the displays tool shows two screens, or just one? [20:42] <_k> it shows 2 screens [20:42] <_k> both labeled laptop [20:44] <_k> i have an ati radeon hd 3670. everything worked for me in 11.10. this is a fresh install [20:46] <_k> actually sorry, now it only shows one, not detecting the other [20:47] <_k> (it showed 2 'laptop' displays when i unchecked 'mirror') [20:48] _k: m, do you have the proprietary drivers installed? [20:49] <_k> no [20:49] <_k> last time i did that with 12.04 it would crash, so i think i may try installing he fglrx drivers from the previous version [20:50] <_k> (12.03 versus 12.04) [20:50] _k hmm.. [20:50] _k for the record I have no idea what the problem may be :/ sorry heh [20:50] <_k> ok. i do think it's driver related and i have an open bug. just figured id ask here before risking another complete system reinstall [20:50] <_k> thanks tho [20:51] <_k> seems like i lot of monitor issues so far though with 12.04.... worst case i go back to 11.10 [23:05] not sure I do this here but I was just sent here from the main channel. I was wanting to request that BZFlag be updated to the newsest version [23:07] Bug #555388 [23:07] Launchpad bug 555388 in bzflag "Update Package: BZFlag" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/555388 [23:14] NurseDad: At this stage it's probably something that would have to go in through backports.. [23:15] NurseDad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports has more info regarding that. [23:15] (I'm assuming you are referring to Precise here...) [23:21] arand yes [23:21] I found a ppa with the latest [23:21] can I post the link here for you to look at? [23:24] NurseDad: I'm not the person to speak to, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction ;) [23:26] NurseDad: once quantal has been updated, you can use the requestbackport script in ubuntu-dev-tools to request a backport to precise [23:29] ok thank you