[05:28] <_k> ubuntu 12.04 crashes my laptop with 2 monitors :/
[07:56] <ds500ss> found some irritating bug in rubygems, here's the report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rubygems/+bug/989454
[07:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 989454 in rubygems "rubygems lacks a bin directory on default install" [Undecided,New]
[07:59] <ds500ss> can someone check this out?
[14:31] <lilleman> Is there something I can do to make someone interested in fixing this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/881628
[14:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 881628 in unity "Bad performance after a few minutes" [Undecided,New]
[14:31] <lilleman> Can I supply more information somehow?
[15:06] <RobinJ1995> I reported a bug on Launchpad, how can I help get it fixed quicker? This is really starting to piss me off...
[15:06] <Daekdroom> RobinJ1995, bug #?
[15:08] <RobinJ1995> On another note, how the * did you manage to make the so-called "stable" release buggier than beta 2Nµ
[15:08] <RobinJ1995> ?
[15:08] <FlimFlamMan> upgrade to 12.04 on my System76 Darter Ultra results in no wifi and no touchpad... any suggestions for fixing either?
[15:08] <RobinJ1995> ^
[15:09] <RobinJ1995> Daekdroom, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/984991
[15:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 984991 in pulseaudio "[Latitude D620, SigmaTel STAC9200, Speaker, Internal] Sound disappears" [Undecided,New]
[15:11] <RobinJ1995> .... the cameleon buttons on the unity launcher are borked as well....
[15:12] <RobinJ1995> and they work again, lol
[15:13] <RobinJ1995> seems to be related to my wallpaper :/
[15:13] <Daekdroom> What is wrong with the buttons?
[15:13] <RobinJ1995> if i choose a certain wallpaper the dash button becomes orange and all the rest becomes a dark brown
[15:14] <lilleman> I have the same question on how I can speed up work on a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/881628
[15:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 881628 in unity "Bad performance after a few minutes" [Undecided,New]
[15:14] <Daekdroom> RobinJ1995, The rest of the launcher or the rest of the icons?
[15:14] <RobinJ1995> both
[15:14] <RobinJ1995> the chameleonic icons that is
[15:15] <RobinJ1995> but i've been messing around with unity's dconf so that could be it :p
[15:15] <RobinJ1995> the sound issue is more important
[15:15] <Daekdroom> Every chamaleonic icon (and Dash) should look the same color, but the background is darker.
[15:16] <RobinJ1995> might also just be my screen settings, by the way. http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads5/4f9ab84e317ef/4f9ab84e12420-Screenshot_from_2012-04-27_17%3A15%3A44.png
[15:17] <RobinJ1995> oh wait... probably because i turned the light of inactive icons off. that may be why the dash button is brighter
[15:18] <RobinJ1995> Daekdroom, just checked, that's indeed the cause. but back to the sound issue (there are also huge performance issues it seems ....)
[15:19] <RobinJ1995> what a suprise... performance issue is mount.ntfs, so not a real surprise
[15:20] <RobinJ1995> but what about the sound issue?
[15:20] <Daekdroom> It looks to me that there's enough information in the bug report
[15:20] <Daekdroom> Hm..
[15:21] <Daekdroom> Although it doesn't make it clear whether it's an alsa or a pulseaudio issue.
[15:21] <RobinJ1995> i don't know. i just guessed it was pulseaudio
[15:21] <RobinJ1995> didn't really think of it
[15:23] <RobinJ1995> if i see one more of those "Ubuntu has experienced an internal error" boxes, I'm going mad.... :@
[15:24] <RobinJ1995> so far i'm incredibly disappointed :/
[15:24] <ogra_> RobinJ1995, thats why upgrades only get enabled for the .1 release usually ;)
[15:24] <RobinJ1995> ogra_, didn't update
[15:24] <RobinJ1995> *upgrade
[15:24] <RobinJ1995> this is a fresh installation
[15:24] <ogra_> but you also didnt wait for the .1 iso :)
[15:24] <RobinJ1995> no, i didn't
[15:25] <ogra_> so help finding and fixing the bugs before .1
[15:25] <ogra_> but note that all devs are pretty exhausted after working 20h days for two weeks to make the release happen
[15:25] <RobinJ1995> or just try to bring it to the dev's minds to NOT RELEASE BUGGY STUFF WITH A "STABLE" LABEL
[15:25] <RobinJ1995> it was the same with mint 12
[15:26] <ogra_> the .1 is the stable laebl
[15:26] <RobinJ1995> they just call every release stable
[15:26] <ogra_> and i wont start about mint or their disabled security
[15:26] <RobinJ1995> the beta's are usually more stable somehow xd
[15:26] <RobinJ1995> well, gotta go
[15:26] <RobinJ1995> brb
[15:27] <ogra_> in any case, file bugs and be patient, someone will get to your bug eventually
[15:43] <normatif> I'm doing do-release-upgrade from 12.04 from 11.10, and I get several warnings/errors. Is there a place interested in observing such info? this chan?
[15:43] <normatif> *from 11.10 to 12.04
[15:43] <EvilResistance> which warnings/errors?  and tbh, I've gotten errors during every in-place upgrade i've ever done :P
[15:44] <normatif> E: Error: BrokenCount > 0run-parts: /etc/update-motd.d/90-updates-available exited with return code 255
[15:44] <normatif> dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/etc/etc/bash_completion.d': Directory not empty
[15:44] <normatif> dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/etc/etc': Directory not empty
[15:58] <normatif> rmdir: failed to remove `/var/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4': Directory not empty
[15:59] <normatif> dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/share/doc/uno-libs3/demo': Directory not empty
[16:03] <normatif> E: namespace:121: cannot remove /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/lazr/__init__.py
[16:04] <RobinJ1995> ogra_, hopefully before i decide to throw ubuntu out
[16:04] <RobinJ1995> btw, can i change the priority myself, or not?
[16:04] <RobinJ1995> derp
[16:04] <ogra_> you need to be member of the bugsquad i think
[16:04] <RobinJ1995> so delete it manually?
[16:04] <RobinJ1995> ok, i'm not :p
[16:04] <ogra_> well, as i said above, for the last two weeks everyone worked like 20h days for 7 days/week
[16:05] <ogra_> so all devs are currently rather in recovery mode, thats what i mean with "be patient"
[16:05] <RobinJ1995> if you can't get things stable in time, then why not postpone release? it will spare people a lot of freustration
[16:05] <ogra_> next week it should be better again
[16:06] <ogra_> RobinJ1995, well, you are free to wait for 12.04.1
[16:06] <RobinJ1995> no i'm not, it's already on here
[16:06] <RobinJ1995> just don't release beta software under a stable label
[16:06] <ogra_> 12.04 isnt supposed to be bugfree
[16:07] <ogra_> it is stable in the sense that it doesnt change beyond getting bugfixes
[16:07] <RobinJ1995> bugfree? i'd like to see that. i'd already be happy with "just working"
[16:07] <RobinJ1995> it seems things have only been getting worse since beta 2
[16:08] <ogra_> 12.04.1 will be stable enough that it will be the release for enterprise users ... which is the reason why the update-manager will only offer that to LTS users
[16:08] <RobinJ1995> can anyone help me try and find a temporary solution, then?
[16:08] <ogra_> while things might have gone worse for you they only have gotten better for me since beta
[16:09] <ogra_> there are millions of ubuntu users out there which likely have the same experience as me
[16:09] <ogra_> and theer are surely also users out there which have the same experience as you
[16:09] <RobinJ1995> whatever, can you try and help me find a temporary solution? if this isn't fixed in a few days my mother'll probably just switch back to windows (and to be honest, who can blame her?)
[16:09] <ogra_> ugh, you installed 12.04 for your mom ?
[16:09] <RobinJ1995> yeah
[16:10] <ogra_> you seriously should have waited for .1
[16:10] <ogra_> (i certainly do before upgrading my moms computer)
[16:10] <ogra_> anyway, you had issues with sound ?
[16:10] <RobinJ1995> how should i know? if it's only beta quality than why not put a huge banner on the site "DO NOT INSTALL THIS, IT'S BETA QUALITY SOFTWARE"
[16:11] <RobinJ1995> yeah
[16:11] <RobinJ1995> i played around with the volume control a bit, and then the sound disappeared
[16:11] <ogra_> so go to #ubuntu-kernel and see if diwic is still around, he is a sound expert and can probably help
[16:12] <ogra_> (though he is european and might want to finish the day soon)
[16:12] <RobinJ1995> i'm european as well
[16:12] <RobinJ1995> * [diwic] barjavel.freenode.net :Paris, FR << i thinjk that should be the same timezone as i'm in
[16:13] <RobinJ1995> oh wait that's the location of the server, isn't it? >.<
[16:13] <ogra_> yes
[16:13] <RobinJ1995> meh, i'll see
[16:13] <RobinJ1995> doesn't seem to respond anyway :(
[16:14] <ogra_> well, we all had long two weeks with last minute fixes and image tests
[16:15] <RobinJ1995> don't kill me if i'm getting the wrong impression, but it seems this whole community-based development process is just a mess most of the times :/
[16:15] <ogra_> if your sound worked in the beginning, there is always the option to reinstall and not fiddle with the volume controls indeed :)
[16:15] <RobinJ1995> reinstall? i've installed it 3 hours ago >.<
[16:16] <ogra_> thats why i said that ... you wont have much personal data on it yet
[16:16] <RobinJ1995> yeah i have
[16:16] <RobinJ1995> well nothing that's not backupped
[16:16] <RobinJ1995> ok now i'm going crazy
[16:16] <ogra_> before your mom has to live without sound that might be the quicker option than having to wait til monday when devs show up again
[16:17] <RobinJ1995> Sorry, Ubuntu 12.04 has experienced an internal error
[16:17] <RobinJ1995> wtf
[16:17] <RobinJ1995> "send report" -> apport crashes
[16:17] <RobinJ1995> very nice...
[16:18] <RobinJ1995> kinda defeats the use of crash management
[16:18] <RobinJ1995> :p
[16:19] <roadmr> haha
[16:20] <RobinJ1995> oh well, let's try to reproduce it on my laptop again (shouldn't be hard)
[16:21]  * ogra_ vanishes into the well deserved weekend ... 
[16:21] <ogra_> RobinJ1995, good luck
[16:21] <RobinJ1995> :p
[16:22]  * RobinJ1995 has an idea
[16:54] <normatif> whoa... inplace upgrade horribly failed
[16:54] <normatif> I'm typing from windows now
[16:55] <normatif> at some point the window manager died, then upgrade stuck at flash-plugin installer
[16:56] <FlimFlamMan> any recommendations for figuring out why my laptop touchpad does not work since 12.04 upgrade?
[16:58] <RobinJ1995> FlimFlamMan, known problem since 11.10. install all updates and reboot twice. usually solves it
[16:59] <normatif> flash plugin can never download because at that point network connection was gone too (along with WM), so I switched to console, it said System Restart Required, I restarted, logged in
[17:00] <normatif> apt-get update did not work (Still no network), apt-get upgrade told me to run dpkg --reconfigure a
[17:01] <normatif> so I did it, WM died again, lots of errors/warnings, I restarted after reconfigure finished, and... no grub menu, nothing, just blinking cursor
[17:03] <normatif> see you after the point release, bye
[17:22] <ahayzen> Hi is this the correct place to talk about bugs in Ubuntu?
[17:35] <hggdh> ahayzen: yes, if you have doubts on how to triage one
[17:35] <hggdh> or general questions about bugs in Ubuntu
[17:36] <ahayzen> well I have found a bug... and found tht it is already reported (bug 979266) so I have confirmed it... but I feel that it is a very important bug and therefore needs attention.
[17:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 979266 in gobject-introspection "Can't import GConf from gi.repository Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/979266
[17:37] <ahayzen> hggdh: Basically when using Python you can't access GConf it just thinks its not there
[17:38] <jtaylor> hm I can't reproduce it
[17:39] <ahayzen> jtaylor: Are you on 64 bit?
[17:39] <jtaylor> ahayzen: yes
[17:39] <ahayzen> is there any code I can run to find the issue?
[17:39] <jtaylor> ahayzen: does ldd -r /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0/gconf.so 2>&1 | grep -v Py
[17:40] <jtaylor> show any undefined references?
[17:40] <ahayzen> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/950347/
[17:41] <jtaylor> ahayzen: please do this: python -v -c "import gconf" | pastebinit
[17:42] <ahayzen> jtaylor:  import gconf works correctly
[17:42] <jtaylor> oh what does not then?
[17:42] <ahayzen> its from gi.repository import GConf that doesn't
[17:43] <hggdh> ahayzen: isn't it 'gconf', lower case?
[17:44] <ahayzen> hggdh: on 11.10 GConf was used when using the new GI packages eg Gtk3
[17:44] <hggdh> ah
[17:44]  * hggdh is not an expert on GTK, any version
[17:44] <ahayzen> otherwise you get some gobject error.... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/950357/
[17:45] <ahayzen> they conflict or something
[17:45] <jtaylor> that affected update-manager once
[17:45] <jtaylor> it was fixed by using gsettings ...
[17:46] <jtaylor> is this really valid in gtk3?
[17:46] <hggdh> I cannot even test, the archive is sorta slow...
[17:46] <ahayzen> jtaylor: is what valid?
[17:46] <jtaylor> from gi.repository import GConf
[17:46] <ahayzen> it was in 11.10
[17:47] <jtaylor> see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/1:0.152.3
[17:48] <ahayzen> so how would i, as a developer, use gsettings?
[17:48] <jtaylor> let me try in 32 bit
[17:48] <jtaylor> which packages are needed for that?
[17:49] <ahayzen> for GConf.... supposedly.... gnome-python  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gnome-python
[17:49] <ahayzen> which includes 'python-gconf: Python bindings for the GConf configuration database system'
[17:51] <ahayzen> maybe we are supposed to be using GSettings now then?
[17:52] <ahayzen> from gi.repository import Gio
[17:52] <ahayzen> then Gio.Settings but it is odd that GConf was included in 11.10 and now it has gone =-O
[17:54] <jtaylor> doesn't work in 32 bit for me either
[17:55] <ahayzen> there are some Gnome articles suggesting migration ... http://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/GSettingsMigration
[17:55] <ahayzen> so maybe GConf has been removed in GNOME 3.2 (is that wht we are on now)
[17:57] <ahayzen> jtaylor: ok so if that is true was should i do with the bug report?
[17:58] <jtaylor> wait for a reply by someone who knows this gnome crap
[17:59] <ahayzen> ok :)
[18:00] <ahayzen> jtaylor: Thank you very much for your help ... i think i've have a look into the gsettings thing and wait for a reply as u stated for the bug report
[18:01] <ahayzen> *i'll have a look
[19:26] <mfisch> anyone seen any issues popping up about DNS resolution being flaky?
[19:26] <mfisch> in 12.04
[19:31] <alo21> hi all
[19:31] <alo21> I have to report a bug about cooling system
[19:32] <alo21> could someone tell me what package manage it?
[20:31] <FernandoMiguel> why is +1 in invite only!?
[20:32] <dlentz> FernandoMiguel, Ubuntu 12.04 was just officially release, so there is no #ubuntu+1 release right now..
[20:32] <Nafallo> just?
[20:32] <FernandoMiguel> dlentz: yes there is :) 12.10 ... I'm using it already
[20:32] <FernandoMiguel> a bunch of us were yesterday
[20:32] <FernandoMiguel> Description:	Ubuntu quantal (development branch)
[20:33] <dlentz> it actually has its own repos with stuff in them right now?
[20:33] <FernandoMiguel> yes
[20:33] <FernandoMiguel> it has them for over 24h now
[20:35] <Nafallo> dlentz: it's just a copy of release-1 initially.
[20:36] <arand> FernandoMiguel: They often keep the channel as forwarding to #ubuntu for a while before the +1 cycle really get's started, and that leads to the invite-only thing if you are already in #ubuntu.
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> arand: I know
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> I expected it
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> byt 12.10 repos were already open yesterday
[20:40] <_k> ubuntu 12.04 wont recognize my second monitor (it refers to it as a laptop) so i cant extend the displays, is this fixable?
[20:42] <roadmr> _k: so the displays tool shows two screens, or just one?
[20:42] <_k> it shows 2 screens
[20:42] <_k> both labeled laptop
[20:44] <_k> i have an ati radeon hd 3670.  everything worked for me in 11.10. this is a fresh install
[20:46] <_k> actually sorry, now it only shows one, not detecting the other
[20:47] <_k> (it showed 2 'laptop' displays when i unchecked 'mirror')
[20:48] <roadmr> _k: m, do you have the proprietary drivers installed?
[20:49] <_k> no
[20:49] <_k> last time i did that with 12.04 it would crash, so i think i may try installing he fglrx drivers from the previous version
[20:50] <_k> (12.03 versus 12.04)
[20:50] <roadmr> _k hmm..
[20:50] <roadmr> _k for the record I have no idea what the problem may be :/ sorry heh
[20:50] <_k> ok.  i do think it's driver related and i have an open bug. just figured id ask here before risking another complete system reinstall
[20:50] <_k> thanks tho
[20:51] <_k> seems like i lot of monitor issues so far though with 12.04.... worst case i go back to 11.10
[23:05] <NurseDad> not sure I do this here but I was just sent here from the main channel.  I was wanting to request that BZFlag be updated to the newsest version
[23:07] <micahg> Bug #555388
[23:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 555388 in bzflag "Update Package: BZFlag" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/555388
[23:14] <arand> NurseDad: At this stage it's probably something that would have to go in through backports..
[23:15] <arand> NurseDad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports has more info regarding that.
[23:15] <arand> (I'm assuming you are referring to Precise here...)
[23:21] <NurseDad> arand yes
[23:21] <NurseDad> I found a ppa with the latest
[23:21] <NurseDad> can I post the link here for you to look at?
[23:24] <arand> NurseDad: I'm not the person to speak to, I'm just trying to point you in the right direction ;)
[23:26] <micahg> NurseDad: once quantal has been updated, you can use the requestbackport script in ubuntu-dev-tools to request a backport to precise
[23:29] <NurseDad> ok thank you