[01:54] well, so much for giving up alcohol! [02:20] chrisccoulson?? === jalcine is now known as jacky [04:18] Good morning === jacky is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as Jacky === Jacky is now known as jacky === bkerensa is now known as Tester === Tester is now known as TesterBlah123 === TesterBlah123 is now known as bkerensa [05:21] good morning [05:40] * didrocks now releases unity and unity 2D 5.12 in -proposed [05:42] * micahg hopes didrocks means into -proposed [05:44] micahg: yeah, into ;) [05:44] :) [05:45] well, I need to do the upstream tarballs first [05:49] hey didrocks [05:49] hey micahg [05:49] so, what do we break first? [05:50] pitti: I can already push compiz if you want :p [05:50] pitti: we already went to a round of breakage/fix with the pre-release unity, hoping it was the only one :) [05:51] * pitti pats didrocks on the back [05:51] off for a bit for breakfast and such [05:51] just wanted to finish that blog post [05:52] hi pitti [05:53] pitti: ok, what breaks first is my daily kernel panic in fact [05:53] time for oven? [05:54] pitti: ah no, it's a real bug I guess ;) === RAOF is now known as RAOF_ === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF [07:51] Moin! [07:52] pitti, seb128: Any chance for one of you to look at 3.5.2-2ubuntu3? [07:52] (today) [07:54] hey Sweetshark [07:54] oh, sure [07:54] pitti: oh, you were so right when talking about oven time for the laptop [07:55] … graphical card just screwed again right now [07:55] *sigh* [07:55] and I have all my release stuff on that computer :/ [07:56] Time for another round of laptop-baking? [07:57] didrocks, time to move to lubuntu :) [07:58] well, time first to try to get my release preparation on my netbook :/ [07:58] but with all the screen screwed, even in console mode [07:58] not easy [07:58] ssh from another machine ? [07:59] hey didrocks pitti [07:59] ogra_: for that, I need to connect it to the network :p [07:59] salut seb128 [07:59] bonjour seb128, how are you? [07:59] pitti, I'm good thanks, how are you? [07:59] didrocks: time for a new laptop perhaps? [07:59] seb128: feeling precise! [07:59] ;-) [07:59] not feeling quantal yet ? [07:59] pitti: well, refresh is in less than 6 month, will be a shame to buy 2 in short time :) [08:00] ogra_: maybe, if I knew what that was :) [08:00] haha [08:01] it changes when I try to observe it [08:05] didrocks, you can buy one and claim the money in 6 month [08:06] seb128: yeah, just privmsg'ed him that option from the company handbook [08:06] seb128: yeah, we are talking about it, I think I would do that [08:06] didrocks, pitti: ok ;-) [08:07] well, right now, first goal == scp from my it [08:10] What??! only a handful of upgrades? I am disappoint! :> [08:13] BigWhale: is there so much broken for you which needs fixing? :-) [08:13] (actually, it's quite a serious question) [08:13] there's always things we overlook === jacky is now known as JackyAlcine [08:15] pitti, I've a 3 pages long list of bugs I want to see SRUed if that's of any use to you ;-) [08:15] which include several GNOME components, unity, lightdm and others [08:15] pitti, no, everything works. But I like the bad-ass big upgrades. ;) [08:15] oh, for sure [08:15] but of course the most important bug is still that floppies don't work! [08:16] yeah, how did you dare breaking floppies! [08:16] * pitti just read a followup on the udisks upstream bug [08:16] ;-) [08:16] * pitti takes out the zap-o-matic [08:16] * pitti aims [08:16] * pitti aims more carefully... [08:16] ZAP! [08:16] there, all floppies in the world just died [08:18] pitti, what are these "floppies" you mention? [08:18] bryceh: don't worry, my friend; nothing that you want to know [08:18] heh === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine [08:20] pitti, but I copied Ubuntu 12.04 onto a set of 5 1/4" disks, can't I install from them? === jalcine is now known as siibot [08:21] Let's not talk about floppies. It brings back bitter memories of installing SLS from 40 3.5" floppies and then at the end at 30+ something floppies shuffled, getting a CRC error ... :/ [08:21] Aaah, rotating rust. === siibot is now known as Jacky [08:22] *chuckle* [08:23] RAOF: this is so much going to be the name of ubuntu 13.10! [08:23] err, 13.04 === Jacky is now known as siibot === siibot is now known as jacky [08:25] 13 such a lucky number [08:26] pitti, anyone: can you nominate bug 986205 for precise? [08:26] Launchpad bug 986205 in libreoffice "libreoffice-writer needs libreoffice-base for form controls (libdbalo.so missing from libreoffice-base-core)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986205 [08:28] Sweetshark: done [08:30] pitti: thanks [08:49] Sweetshark: ubuntu3 uploaded, danke! [08:53] pitti: /me bows to his uploader overload. [08:54] s/overload/overlord/ [08:54] * Sweetshark finds coffeine ... [09:27] good morning everyone [09:29] chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? [09:31] hi seb128. i'm good thanks, although a bit tired. i slept in a bit this morning ;) [09:31] how are you? [09:33] chrisccoulson, late hacking or precise release party? ;-) [09:33] chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks [09:33] chrisccoulson, or did you spend the night playing angry birds space? ;-) [09:33] seb128, yeah, a bit of the last one, with some whisky ;) [09:34] ;-) [09:34] chrisccoulson, is the space version good? I need to try it [09:35] seb128, yeah, it's quite a lot of fun [09:37] need to try that; I recently played Rio when I locked myself out of my flat for an hour [09:38] you didnt just google "how to unlock a door using credit cards" ? [09:41] ogra_, he doesn't need to, he's praticing taekwondo, he could just have broken the door with his feet ;-) [09:42] oh indeed [09:42] * ogra_ remembers the team building exercise from the SF allhands [09:42] theoretically we all should be able to :) [09:46] ogra_, do you need to put it in fire first then? [09:46] yeah, else your motivation wont be high enough [10:21] heh, this is pretty cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lUZ-e2SkeMI ;) [11:09] meh, seems I bricked unity 3d by switching to 2d once [11:12] "bricked"? [11:12] lightdm eternally hangs at "Authenticating...", and "startx" from vt1 just gives me a black screen [11:12] hmm [11:12] but guest session 3d doesn't work either [11:13] pitti, oh, you get that bug as well! [11:14] I wonder if something changed recently which broke lightdm [11:14] pitti, like you type your password on unity-greeter, it does write "login in..." but never log in [11:14] yes [11:14] you can go back to the user list using esc [11:14] but never log in again? [11:15] pitti, I bet the lightdm process is stucked in a read() [11:15] I'm now logged into 2d [11:15] that works [11:15] hum [11:15] different bug then === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:15] mine wouldn't log in any user when that happens [11:15] not even a guest session [11:15] lightdm it stucked in a read() for me [11:16] i.e seems to auth dialog doesn't go well and lightdm keeps waiting for some extra packets from the greeter than never come [11:16] to->the [11:16] hm, now 3D guest session works [11:16] bah [11:16] pitti, yours might be different then [11:16] but there is a bug there somewhere [11:16] pitti, for me the session doesn't matter, it's on second login [11:17] like if I log into user, log out and try to log in again [11:17] then I need to restart lightdm to be able to auth again [11:17] pitti, I discussed it a bit with mterry wednesday, we said we would debug it together next week, will be easier than over IRC [11:18] pitti, bug #987614 btw [11:18] Launchpad bug 987614 in lightdm "Stuck at login screen with status "Logging in..."" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987614 [11:19] ah, thanks [11:20] pitti, I did plan to send an email to robert about it today, I will Cc you on it [11:21] I'm not quite sure what triggered it [11:21] pitti, though I'm unsure you got the same bug if you managed to recover without restarting lightdm [11:21] I played aorund with python3.2 this morning, and temporarily disabled pulseaudio, but reverted that [11:21] and installed -proposed [11:21] seb128: oh, I restarted lightdm a few times [11:21] when it got stuck, it became useless, so I "sudo stop lightdm" and start again [11:22] and then tried with 2d [11:22] perhaps that was just luck [11:22] pitti, for me, if I log in, out and, try to log in again it's stucked [11:22] pitti, oh, so it might be the same [11:22] pitti, it happens on second login [11:22] so you need to log out and try to log in again [11:22] then it's stucked until you restart lightdm [11:22] pitti, first login after restart will always work [11:23] the 2d or 3d is a red herring [11:26] chrisccoulson, ok, thanks for making that theme discussion spam stop, I should have though of unassigning the bug earlier ;-) [11:27] heh :) [11:27] ok->oh [11:27] yeah, that was getting pretty annoying now [11:29] seb128: ok, *phew*, 3d works now; a couple of lightdm restarts helped [11:30] pitti, a couple? weird... are you sure it's not the same bug I described? [11:30] stopping and restarting, then trying to login hung [11:30] pitti, if you have a test user try to change user, log into it, log out, log in again [11:30] I have [11:31] seb128: that seems to work [11:32] so, it sounds related to the bug, just not the same recipe [11:32] pitti, ok, maybe it's account specific [11:32] pitti, well anyway it's on my "want to get SRU fixed" list ;-) [11:33] pitti, I will make sure we fix it with mterry,robert_ancell at UDS, my laptop has the issue so can debug it there [11:33] cool, thanks [11:33] * pitti dives into SRUs === greyback is now known as greybacklunch === greybacklunch is now known as greyback|lunch === bilal_ is now known as bilal [12:25] OMG, didrocks, stop spamming ~ubuntu-sru bugs! :-) [12:25] pitti: heh, and it's not finished! still 2d coming! :) [12:26] pitti: you escape bamf, seb128 spotted a bad regression at the last minute :) [12:28] didrocks: does quickly still use the --prefix stuff from cdbs? [12:28] pitti: yeah [12:28] ok, thanks === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [12:51] didrocks: the opt-prefix test case fails now [12:51] due to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/83410795/python-support_1.0.14ubuntu1_1.0.14ubuntu2.diff.gz [12:51] it's not caught by the buildds as this test only runs if python-support is installed [12:52] so that isn't working in precise any more [12:52] should the p-support delta be reintroduced, or the delta in cdbs dropped? [12:53] I guess at some point quickly needs to move to dh_python2 and perhaps add a dh_quickly or so to move the stuff around to /opt ? [12:55] pitti: well, anyway, I think right now nobody is using /opt with quickly TBH [12:55] pitti: and I still find this as being a hack, so moving dh_python2 will be the right choice [12:56] ok [13:03] pitti - can ubuntu derivatives use apport to report bugs, or is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/989632/comments/2 a limitation of mint? [13:03] Launchpad bug 989632 in firefox "Firefox loose localization after update" [Undecided,Invalid] [13:03] just wondering what to tell the reporter ;) [13:04] chrisccoulson: hm, I never tried it on a derivative, nor heard anyone trying that, TBH [13:04] chrisccoulson: it depends on how mint set up /etc/apport/crashdb.py [13:04] err, .conf [13:05] if they left distro at "ubuntu" or set it to "mint", etc. [13:06] didrocks: hm, lots of the bugs that the unity SRU refers to are already "fix released".. [13:07] pitti: urgh, I forgot to remove the one that were cherry-picked… sorry [13:07] pitti: the list is normally: [13:07] ah, ok [13:07] pitti - thanks [13:07] i'm just downloading a mint iso to have a look ;) [13:08] didrocks: so I guess I'll open them all again and don't send the call for testing to the closed ones [13:08] bug #965323, bug #981168, bug #980828, bug #861250, bug #959339, bug #981795, bug #980544 [13:08] Launchpad bug 965323 in unity "Panel is transparent when Dash is open; no blur no average BG color" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965323 [13:08] Launchpad bug 981168 in unity "Regression: Installing apps causes a terrible visual glitch-- have to restart X.org." [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/981168 [13:08] Launchpad bug 980828 in unity "the shortcut keys in workspace section of the shortcut overlay aren't translated" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980828 [13:08] Launchpad bug 861250 in ayatana-design "alt-tab - quick alt + tab (before the switcher shows) not consistent" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861250 [13:08] Launchpad bug 959339 in unity "Launcher, Alt-Tab - clicking on launcher item or selecting a app in Alt-Tab raises all app windows, not just most recently focused" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959339 [13:08] pitti: this is the *precise* list :) [13:08] didrocks: of the new ones? thanks [13:08] pitti: sorry again, I putted this in a tomoboy note in my TODO for today, but as my laptop crashed [13:09] pitti: right, those are the ones that are already in precise finale and can be repeated on the list [13:09] didrocks: no worries, I was just wondering whether something went wrong [13:09] no, I tried to prepared it before ;) [13:09] but well, I can see the bones of my laptop now [13:10] ok, now that the SRU is done, let's send an email to dx and then on fixing the laptop for now [13:11] has anyone tried searching for "zerg rush" in google? [13:13] lol [13:15] hmmm, downloading from PPA's is painfully slow today. i hope i can actually get the firefox 13 update tested before the weekend [13:26] pitti - oh, they don't even install apport [13:27] they seem to be modifying files provided by our firefox package too [13:28] wow, they set "browser.EULA.override". they're certainly not allowed to do that :( [13:29] sue them ! [13:31] ogra_, i hate the fact that we have to show it, so it's annoying when other people just go ahead and disable it [13:31] yeah, you should definitely ping them about it [13:32] so long, have a nice weekend everyone! I'm off Mon/Tue [13:32] pitti - have a nice long weekend :) [13:32] pitti, tanz schoen in den mai :) [13:36] chrisccoulson, where do we find what mint is doing to our packages? ;-) [13:36] seb128, i just installed a mint iso === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk [13:37] seb128, there was a thread (i think on warthogs) wheer the security team analyzed it [13:37] ogra_, there was nothing useful there [13:37] iirc there was a description of what mdeslaur did to find out about it [13:37] ogra_, I read the thread [13:37] ogra_, well I don't care about firefox, I care about all GNOME [13:37] ogra_, I wonder if they have a unified vcs or a package archive [13:38] when I looked to it I failed to find a place which had easy access to all changes [13:38] ah, k [13:38] didnt marc say in the thread that they modified the version string for touched packages ? [13:40] ok, card in the oven, 20 minutes, 180°C [13:41] ogra_, well, that would require me to install mint or download an iso [13:41] ogra_, I don't want to do that every week to watch what they did [13:42] ogra_, I would prefer a -changes list or a vcs or patches.mintlinux.com or something [13:42] well, dont they have a ML where you can ask ? [13:44] ogra_, I was being lazy and figured I would ask there if somebody knows before looking further [13:44] seems the reply is that nobody knows [13:44] * ogra_ wouldnt touch mint with a 5ft pole [13:44] hehe [13:45] seb128: you can look at the list of packages that they change [13:45] seb128: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Maya [13:46] they don't write anything in the changelogs though [13:46] mdeslaur, that list is buggy, i.e firefox is not there [13:46] and one of the packages installs an init script that manually clobbers files and artwork on boot [13:46] seb128: they don't modify the firefox package, they have an init script that replaces the artwork at every boot [13:47] urg [13:47] +1 [13:47] heh [13:47] efficient programming :) [13:48] mdeslaur, oh, i was wondering how they modified our package [13:49] look at the package called "mintsystem" [13:51] oh, wow [13:51] how fragile is that? [13:51] should i feel bad that the firefox update we pushed to oneiric breaks their customizations? ;) [13:52] didrocks: so .... are you planning on getting a new laptop any time soon? ;-) [13:53] yikie, that is craptastic :) [13:54] smspillaz: I think I'll have to :) [13:56] mdeslaur, i'm actually tempted to report a mint bug kindly requesting that they modify mintsystem to remove the distribution.ini from their firefox install (seeing as that contains specific info to identify canonical builds) ;) [13:57] chrisccoulson: sure :) [13:58] mdeslaur, oh, they already do [13:59] so, i wonder what happens when i upgrade firefox. i guess that their customizations are broken until a restart [13:59] chrisccoulson: which package contains their firefox mangling scripts? [13:59] chrisccoulson: yeah, you probably revert to ubuntu artwork until you reboot :P [14:00] mdeslaur, mint-artwork-common [14:02] chrisccoulson: hehe, nice: rm -rf /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/* [14:03] mdeslaur, one thing we changed in this update is the layout of searchplugin installation (to match the upstream layout, so we could drop a patch we didn't really need) [14:03] that is really sad that so many people seem to be using mint considering the way they do that mangling [14:03] and their scripts make an assumption of the old layout [14:03] so that's broken now [14:03] they will end up with both ubuntu + mint searchplugins [14:03] oh well [14:03] chrisccoulson: oh well [14:03] i can't believe how dumb this is [14:03] and that worries you because ? [14:05] ogra_, because mint users report bugs against our package in launchpad [14:06] reject them :) [14:06] if they tell me they use mint, i will [14:06] or assign them to the mint project (assuming there is one on LP) [14:06] but a mint user reported a bug this morning and said he was using oneiric [14:06] he neglected to tell me he was using Mint 12, which is based on oneiric until his second comment [14:10] chrisccoulson, refuse any bug non apport reported ;-) [14:10] seb128, that's basically what i do already [14:11] i should probably make that more clear at the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs [14:11] chrisccoulson: it was an apport filed bug from mint? [14:11] mdeslaur, no, they can't use apport to report firefox bugs [14:14] chrisccoulson, cant you put something into ubufox you could check for ? [14:14] assuming they dont install ubufox indeed [14:17] so if you are not sure a user runs mint you ask for the content of file "foople" and if they dotn have it you know its not ubuntu :) [14:38] oh, this is elegant. they have a dpkg trigger for /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/google.xml which reruns their mintsystem hack on upgrade [14:39] chrisccoulson, stop wasting time on mint, that will not help your users ;-) [14:39] seb128, i'm just interested to find out how bad mint is [14:39] but i'm discovering that it's so bad, it almost makes me want to vomit [14:39] chrisccoulson, well, "bad enough to not use it" ;-) [14:39] heh [14:40] chrisccoulson, do they change the search affiliation code to their own or something? [14:40] chrisccoulson, they did that with the music stores [14:40] seb128, yeah, they completely replace our searchplugins using their init script [14:40] chrisccoulson, can they do that? [14:41] but, that no longer works with the oneiric update we just published ;) [14:41] or do they need mozilla's agreement for that sort of changes? [14:41] seb128, i'm not sure if they can do that. i don't know if they have an agreement or not [14:41] i'm guessing "not" by the look of some of the changes they make [14:41] particularly disabling the EULA, which we're obliged to show [14:44] lol @ https://twitter.com/#!/robcee/status/195881656278716416 ;) [14:45] They probably don't have an agreement for shipping the binary flash plugin in their repo either [14:45] hehe [14:46] chrisccoulson, yeah, it's fun how they hide kernel upgrades and some others, they have their own scale of how much those upgrades annoy users or something [14:46] who needs security updates, right? [14:46] chrisccoulson, like after kernel update you should reboot so they don't suggest them ;-) [14:46] mdeslaur, well if you have a secure system like linuxmint you don't need them for sure ;-) [14:46] dont they also hide Xorg security updates as well ? [14:47] probably to make sure nobody uninstalls their version that contains the keyloggers :) [14:49] ogra_, yes, they hide xorg security updates too [14:51] chrisccoulson: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11712141&postcount=10 [14:52] lol [14:52] chrisccoulson: denial! http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11712615&postcount=18 [14:53] hah! [15:24] cyphermox, hey [15:24] seb128: hey [15:24] cyphermox, how are you? [15:24] good, yourself? [15:24] I'm good thanks [15:25] cyphermox, looking most common issues reported through whoopsie on the lts [15:25] cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/912948 is on the list [15:25] ok [15:25] Launchpad bug 912948 in gnome-control-center "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in refresh_ui()" [Medium,Confirmed] [15:25] cyphermox, do you think there is any chance you could have a look? [15:25] cyphermox, it's in the network capplet [15:25] cyphermox, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/102499638/Stacktrace.txt is a current version stacktrace [15:26] right, I wonder if that's what I'm just about to upload a fix to -proposed for [15:26] cyphermox, you think it's the same as the ssid one? [15:26] I think so, checking now [15:26] cyphermox, please hold off on the upload, I'm about to commit some soundnua fixes from Conor to the vcs, would be nice to have them in the same upload ;-) [15:27] yes, I was going to ask before ;) [15:27] so, maybe it's not actually the same thing after all, or the traces are too old [15:29] cyphermox, the one I pointed is 15 days old [15:29] yeah [15:29] it [15:29] it's not the SSID thing, but I know what this is, I think [15:29] ok [15:29] let's give it a shot now, brb [15:30] thanks ;-) [15:30] yeah, it's pretty easy to reproduce ;) [15:38] and this is a fixed laptop again :) [16:00] damn, i'm always impressed by the amount of bugs a unity upload fixes :) [16:00] didrocks++ :) [16:01] ;) [16:01] how to start GUI in ubuntu 12.04 [16:04] hi all. Quick question about process: do i have to add or remove a tag when I successfully test something in -proposed? [16:04] didrocks: the fix for Remmina, could that fix the issue that I was unable to maximize it on a second screen (it always tooked 2 screens then) [16:04] dupondje: yeah, it can be linked to the issue you mentionned [16:04] dupondje: better to test though :) [16:06] nice :) will do that [16:06] working a bit on improving Remmina atm :) [16:08] great! [16:08] * didrocks waves good week-end, time for lyon's release party :) [17:02] Chipaca: generally the verification-needed can be changed to verification-done [17:03] dobey: done :) [17:03] dobey: thanks [17:03] i've also figured out what was breaking the server-side workaround, so all is well [17:03] chrisccoulson, there? [17:04] seb128, yeah [17:04] chrisccoulson, I'm unhappy! [17:05] how come? :( [17:05] chrisccoulson, if I can't go to UDS it will be your fault :p [17:06] chrisccoulson, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/firefox.png [17:06] oh, that doesn't look good :/ [17:07] it did work here when i printed mine though [17:07] chrisccoulson, that's my esta, I think they will not like it :p [17:09] chrisccoulson, their summary page printed fine, the screwed one was me doing a "print to file" of the summary screen before they asked me if I wanted to print if [17:09] ah, i didn't try that [17:09] i only saved the summary page [17:09] chrisccoulson, joke aside there is a good chance the issue is in cairo,poppler,gtk [17:10] yeah, possibly :) [17:10] i'm not sure how to debug that sort of issue though :/ [17:10] * seb128 hugs chrisccoulson [17:10] * chrisccoulson hugs seb128 [17:11] chrisccoulson, I'm not sure either, usually if you come with a testcase the cairo guys figure it out of you ;-) [17:11] but printing random pages doesn't have that issue [17:13] heh, printing the page that's broken for you seems to work here :/ [17:13] chrisccoulson, do you get that if you print https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/application.html ? [17:13] i beat you to it ;) [17:13] chrisccoulson, :-( [17:14] well it reproduce the bug there, but I'm on firefox 11 still [17:14] ah, you're out of date already ;) [17:14] i should probably try with an older version actually [17:14] i'm on 15.0 here ;) [17:16] chrisccoulson, epiphany prints it fine [17:16] ok, so it seems like it might really be a firefox issue then [17:16] i'd definitely try upgrading first though :) [17:16] i'll try with the current beta here, which is the oldest version i have ;) [17:18] that works too :/ [17:18] seb128, is it just printing to pdf which is broken? ie, is the print preview broken as well? === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [17:19] chrisccoulson, wth? [17:20] chrisccoulson, the print preview is fine, printing from it works, if I do file, print, and print from there it's buggy [17:20] oh no, it's buggy this time from the print preview screen [17:21] hum, maybe I screwed it the first time [17:21] chrisccoulson, the print preview is fine [17:21] seb128, do you want to see if it's still an issue in the current version too? [17:21] chrisccoulson, sure, were do I get it? [17:22] seb128, you're still in 11.0, aren't you? if so, just run a normal upgrade :) [17:22] chrisccoulson, print to ps is fine, it's only an issue to pdf [17:22] chrisccoulson, ah, I though you meant 15 when you said "current" [17:22] heh [17:23]