[01:54] <chrisccoulson> well, so much for giving up alcohol!
[02:20] <desrt> chrisccoulson??
[04:18] <pitti> Good morning
[05:21] <didrocks> good morning
[05:40]  * didrocks now releases unity and unity 2D 5.12 in -proposed
[05:42]  * micahg hopes didrocks means into -proposed
[05:44] <didrocks> micahg: yeah, into ;)
[05:44] <micahg> :)
[05:45] <didrocks> well, I need to do the upstream tarballs first
[05:49] <pitti> hey didrocks
[05:49] <pitti> hey micahg
[05:49] <pitti> so, what do we break first?
[05:50] <didrocks> pitti: I can already push compiz if you want :p
[05:50] <didrocks> pitti: we already went to a round of breakage/fix with the pre-release unity, hoping it was the only one :)
[05:51]  * pitti pats didrocks on the back
[05:51] <pitti> off for a bit for breakfast and such
[05:51] <pitti> just wanted to finish that blog post
[05:52] <micahg> hi pitti
[05:53] <didrocks> pitti: ok, what breaks first is my daily kernel panic in fact
[05:53] <pitti> time for oven?
[05:54] <didrocks> pitti: ah no, it's a real bug I guess ;)
[07:51] <Sweetshark> Moin!
[07:52] <Sweetshark> pitti, seb128: Any chance for one of you to look at 3.5.2-2ubuntu3?
[07:52] <Sweetshark> (today)
[07:54] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[07:54] <pitti> oh, sure
[07:54] <didrocks> pitti: oh, you were so right when talking about oven time for the laptop
[07:55] <didrocks> … graphical card just screwed again right now
[07:55] <pitti> *sigh*
[07:55] <didrocks> and I have all my release stuff on that computer :/
[07:56] <RAOF> Time for another round of laptop-baking?
[07:57] <ogra_> didrocks, time to move to lubuntu :)
[07:58] <didrocks> well, time first to try to get my release preparation on my netbook :/
[07:58] <didrocks> but with all the screen screwed, even in console mode
[07:58] <didrocks> not easy
[07:58] <ogra_> ssh from another machine ?
[07:59] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[07:59] <didrocks> ogra_: for that, I need to connect it to the network :p
[07:59] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:59] <pitti> bonjour seb128, how are you?
[07:59] <seb128> pitti, I'm good thanks, how are you?
[07:59] <pitti> didrocks: time for a new laptop perhaps?
[07:59] <pitti> seb128: feeling precise!
[07:59] <seb128> ;-)
[07:59] <ogra_> not feeling quantal yet ?
[07:59] <didrocks> pitti: well, refresh is in less than 6 month, will be a shame to buy 2 in short time :)
[08:00] <pitti> ogra_: maybe, if I knew what that was :)
[08:00] <ogra_> haha
[08:01] <pitti> it changes when I try to observe it
[08:05] <seb128> didrocks, you can buy one and claim the money in 6 month
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: yeah, just privmsg'ed him that option from the company handbook
[08:06] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, we are talking about it, I think I would do that
[08:06] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: ok ;-)
[08:07] <didrocks> well, right now, first goal == scp from my it
[08:10] <BigWhale> What??! only a handful of upgrades? I am disappoint! :>
[08:13] <pitti> BigWhale: is there so much broken for you which needs fixing? :-)
[08:13] <pitti> (actually, it's quite a serious question)
[08:13] <pitti> there's always things we overlook
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, I've a 3 pages long list of bugs I want to see SRUed if that's of any use to you ;-)
[08:15] <seb128> which include several GNOME components, unity, lightdm and others
[08:15] <BigWhale> pitti, no, everything works. But I like the bad-ass big upgrades. ;)
[08:15] <pitti> oh, for sure
[08:15] <pitti> but of course the most important bug is still that floppies don't work!
[08:16] <seb128> yeah, how did you dare breaking floppies!
[08:16]  * pitti just read a followup on the udisks upstream bug
[08:16] <seb128> ;-)
[08:16]  * pitti takes out the zap-o-matic
[08:16]  * pitti aims
[08:16]  * pitti aims more carefully...
[08:16] <pitti> ZAP!
[08:16] <pitti> there, all floppies in the world just died
[08:18] <bryceh> pitti, what are these "floppies" you mention?
[08:18] <pitti> bryceh: <jedi wave> don't worry, my friend; nothing that you want to know
[08:18] <bryceh> heh
[08:20] <bryceh> pitti, but I copied Ubuntu 12.04 onto a set of 5 1/4" disks, can't I install from them?
[08:21] <BigWhale> Let's not talk about floppies. It brings back bitter memories of installing SLS from 40 3.5" floppies and then at the end at 30+ something floppies shuffled, getting a CRC error ... :/
[08:21] <RAOF> Aaah, rotating rust.
[08:22] <pitti> *chuckle*
[08:23] <pitti> RAOF: this is so much going to be the name of ubuntu 13.10!
[08:23] <pitti> err, 13.04
[08:25] <bryceh> 13 such a lucky number
[08:26] <Sweetshark> pitti, anyone: can you nominate bug 986205 for precise?
[08:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986205 in libreoffice "libreoffice-writer needs libreoffice-base for form controls (libdbalo.so missing from libreoffice-base-core)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986205
[08:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: done
[08:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: thanks
[08:49] <pitti> Sweetshark: ubuntu3 uploaded, danke!
[08:53] <Sweetshark> pitti: /me bows to his uploader overload.
[08:54] <Sweetshark> s/overload/overlord/
[08:54]  * Sweetshark finds coffeine ...
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128. i'm good thanks, although a bit tired. i slept in a bit this morning ;)
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, late hacking or precise release party? ;-)
[09:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks
[09:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, or did you spend the night playing angry birds space? ;-)
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, a bit of the last one, with some whisky ;)
[09:34] <seb128> ;-)
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is the space version good? I need to try it
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it's quite a lot of fun
[09:37] <pitti> need to try that; I recently played Rio when I locked myself out of my flat for an hour
[09:38] <ogra_> you didnt just google "how to unlock a door using credit cards" ?
[09:41] <seb128> ogra_, he doesn't need to, he's praticing taekwondo, he could just have broken the door with his feet ;-)
[09:42] <ogra_> oh indeed
[09:42]  * ogra_ remembers the team building exercise from the SF allhands
[09:42] <ogra_> theoretically we all should be able to :)
[09:46] <seb128> ogra_, do you need to put it in fire first then?
[09:46] <ogra_> yeah, else your motivation wont be high enough
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> heh, this is pretty cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lUZ-e2SkeMI ;)
[11:09] <pitti> meh, seems I bricked unity 3d by switching to 2d once
[11:12] <seb128> "bricked"?
[11:12] <pitti> lightdm eternally hangs at "Authenticating...", and "startx" from vt1 just gives me a black screen
[11:12] <pitti> hmm
[11:12] <pitti> but guest session 3d doesn't work either
[11:13] <seb128> pitti, oh, you get that bug as well!
[11:14] <seb128> I wonder if something changed recently which broke lightdm
[11:14] <seb128> pitti, like you type your password on unity-greeter, it does write "login in..." but never log in
[11:14] <pitti> yes
[11:14] <seb128> you can go back to the user list using esc
[11:14] <seb128> but never log in again?
[11:15] <seb128> pitti, I bet the lightdm process is stucked in a read()
[11:15] <pitti> I'm now logged into 2d
[11:15] <pitti> that works
[11:15] <seb128> hum
[11:15] <seb128> different bug then
[11:15] <seb128> mine wouldn't log in any user when that happens
[11:15] <seb128> not even a guest session
[11:15] <seb128> lightdm it stucked in a read() for me
[11:16] <seb128> i.e seems to auth dialog doesn't go well and lightdm keeps waiting for some extra packets from the greeter than never come
[11:16] <seb128> to->the
[11:16] <pitti> hm, now 3D guest session works
[11:16] <pitti> bah
[11:16] <seb128> pitti, yours might be different then
[11:16] <seb128> but there is a bug there somewhere
[11:16] <seb128> pitti, for me the session doesn't matter, it's on second login
[11:17] <seb128> like if I log into user, log out and try to log in again
[11:17] <seb128> then I need to restart lightdm to be able to auth again
[11:17] <seb128> pitti, I discussed it a bit with mterry wednesday, we said we would debug it together next week, will be easier than over IRC
[11:18] <seb128> pitti, bug #987614 btw
[11:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 987614 in lightdm "Stuck at login screen with status "Logging in..."" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987614
[11:19] <pitti> ah, thanks
[11:20] <seb128> pitti, I did plan to send an email to robert about it today, I will Cc you on it
[11:21] <pitti> I'm not quite sure what triggered it
[11:21] <seb128> pitti, though I'm unsure you got the same bug if you managed to recover without restarting lightdm
[11:21] <pitti> I played aorund with python3.2 this morning, and temporarily disabled pulseaudio, but reverted that
[11:21] <pitti> and installed -proposed
[11:21] <pitti> seb128: oh, I restarted lightdm a few times
[11:21] <pitti> when it got stuck, it became useless, so I "sudo stop lightdm" and start again
[11:22] <pitti> and then tried with 2d
[11:22] <pitti> perhaps that was just luck
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, for me, if I log in, out and, try to log in again it's stucked
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, oh, so it might be the same
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, it happens on second login
[11:22] <seb128> so you need to log out and try to log in again
[11:22] <seb128> then it's stucked until you restart lightdm
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, first login after restart will always work
[11:23] <seb128> the 2d or 3d is a red herring
[11:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, thanks for making that theme discussion spam stop, I should have though of unassigning the bug earlier ;-)
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[11:27] <seb128> ok->oh
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that was getting pretty annoying now
[11:29] <pitti> seb128: ok, *phew*, 3d works now; a couple of lightdm restarts helped
[11:30] <seb128> pitti, a couple? weird... are you sure it's not the same bug I described?
[11:30] <pitti> stopping and restarting, then trying to login hung
[11:30] <seb128> pitti, if you have a test user try to change user, log into it, log out, log in again
[11:30] <pitti> I have
[11:31] <pitti> seb128: that seems to work
[11:32] <pitti> so, it sounds related to the bug, just not the same recipe
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, ok, maybe it's account specific
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, well anyway it's on my "want to get SRU fixed" list ;-)
[11:33] <seb128> pitti, I will make sure we fix it with mterry,robert_ancell at UDS, my laptop has the issue so can debug it there
[11:33] <pitti> cool, thanks
[11:33]  * pitti dives into SRUs
[12:25] <pitti> OMG, didrocks, stop spamming ~ubuntu-sru bugs! :-)
[12:25] <didrocks> pitti: heh, and it's not finished! still 2d coming! :)
[12:26] <didrocks> pitti: you escape bamf, seb128 spotted a bad regression at the last minute :)
[12:28] <pitti> didrocks: does quickly still use the --prefix stuff from cdbs?
[12:28] <didrocks> pitti: yeah
[12:28] <pitti> ok, thanks
[12:51] <pitti> didrocks: the opt-prefix test case fails now
[12:51] <pitti> due to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/83410795/python-support_1.0.14ubuntu1_1.0.14ubuntu2.diff.gz
[12:51] <pitti> it's not caught by the buildds as this test only runs if python-support is installed
[12:52] <pitti> so that isn't working in precise any more
[12:52] <pitti> should the p-support delta be reintroduced, or the delta in cdbs dropped?
[12:53] <pitti> I guess at some point quickly needs to move to dh_python2 and perhaps add a dh_quickly or so to move the stuff around to /opt ?
[12:55] <didrocks> pitti: well, anyway, I think right now nobody is using /opt with quickly TBH
[12:55] <didrocks> pitti: and I still find this as being a hack, so moving dh_python2 will be the right choice
[12:56] <pitti> ok
[13:03] <chrisccoulson> pitti -  can ubuntu derivatives use apport to report bugs, or is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/989632/comments/2 a limitation of mint?
[13:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 989632 in firefox "Firefox loose localization after update" [Undecided,Invalid]
[13:03] <chrisccoulson> just wondering what to tell the reporter ;)
[13:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hm, I never tried it on a derivative, nor heard anyone trying that, TBH
[13:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it depends on how mint set up /etc/apport/crashdb.py
[13:04] <pitti> err, .conf
[13:05] <pitti> if they left distro at "ubuntu" or set it to "mint", etc.
[13:06] <pitti> didrocks: hm, lots of the bugs that the unity SRU refers to are already "fix released"..
[13:07] <didrocks> pitti: urgh, I forgot to remove the one that were cherry-picked… sorry
[13:07] <didrocks> pitti: the list is normally:
[13:07] <pitti> ah, ok
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm just downloading a mint iso to have a look ;)
[13:08] <pitti> didrocks: so I guess I'll open them all again and don't send the call for testing to the closed ones
[13:08] <didrocks> bug #965323, bug #981168, bug #980828, bug #861250, bug #959339, bug #981795, bug #980544
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 965323 in unity "Panel is transparent when Dash is open; no blur no average BG color" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965323
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 981168 in unity "Regression: Installing apps causes a terrible visual glitch-- have to restart X.org." [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/981168
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 980828 in unity "the shortcut keys in workspace section of the shortcut overlay aren't translated" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980828
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 861250 in ayatana-design "alt-tab - quick alt + tab (before the switcher shows) not consistent" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861250
[13:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 959339 in unity "Launcher, Alt-Tab - clicking on launcher item or selecting a app in Alt-Tab raises all app windows, not just most recently focused" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959339
[13:08] <didrocks> pitti: this is the *precise* list :)
[13:08] <pitti> didrocks: of the new ones? thanks
[13:08] <didrocks> pitti: sorry again, I putted this in a tomoboy note in my TODO for today, but as my laptop crashed
[13:09] <didrocks> pitti: right, those are the ones that are already in precise finale and can be repeated on the list
[13:09] <pitti> didrocks: no worries, I was just wondering whether something went wrong
[13:09] <didrocks> no, I tried to prepared it before ;)
[13:09] <didrocks> but well, I can see the bones of my laptop now
[13:10] <didrocks> ok, now that the SRU is done, let's send an email to dx and then on fixing the laptop for now
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> has anyone tried searching for "zerg rush" in google?
[13:13] <pitti> lol
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, downloading from PPA's is painfully slow today. i hope i can actually get the firefox 13 update tested before the weekend
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, they don't even install apport
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> they seem to be modifying files provided by our firefox package too
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> wow, they set "browser.EULA.override". they're certainly not allowed to do that :(
[13:29] <ogra_> sue them !
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, i hate the fact that we have to show it, so it's annoying when other people just go ahead and disable it
[13:31] <ogra_> yeah, you should definitely ping them about it
[13:32] <pitti> so long, have a nice weekend everyone! I'm off Mon/Tue
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> pitti - have a nice long weekend :)
[13:32] <ogra_> pitti, tanz schoen in den mai :)
[13:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, where do we find what mint is doing to our packages? ;-)
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i just installed a mint iso
[13:37] <ogra_> seb128, there was a thread (i think on warthogs) wheer the security team analyzed it
[13:37] <seb128> ogra_, there was nothing useful there
[13:37] <ogra_> iirc there was a description of what mdeslaur did to find out about it
[13:37] <seb128> ogra_, I read the thread
[13:37] <seb128> ogra_, well I don't care about firefox, I care about all GNOME
[13:37] <seb128> ogra_, I wonder if they have a unified vcs or a package archive
[13:38] <seb128> when I looked to it I failed to find a place which had easy access to all changes
[13:38] <ogra_> ah, k
[13:38] <ogra_> didnt marc say in the thread that they modified the version string for touched packages ?
[13:40] <didrocks> ok, card in the oven, 20 minutes, 180°C
[13:41] <seb128> ogra_, well, that would require me to install mint or download an iso
[13:41] <seb128> ogra_, I don't want to do that every week to watch what they did
[13:42] <seb128> ogra_, I would prefer a -changes list or a vcs or patches.mintlinux.com or something
[13:42] <ogra_> well, dont they have a ML where you can ask ?
[13:44] <seb128> ogra_, I was being lazy and figured I would ask there if somebody knows before looking further
[13:44] <seb128> seems the reply is that nobody knows
[13:44]  * ogra_ wouldnt touch mint with a 5ft pole
[13:44] <seb128> hehe
[13:45] <mdeslaur> seb128: you can look at the list of packages that they change
[13:45] <mdeslaur> seb128: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Maya
[13:46] <mdeslaur> they don't write anything in the changelogs though
[13:46] <seb128> mdeslaur, that list is buggy, i.e firefox is not there
[13:46] <mdeslaur> and one of the packages installs an init script that manually clobbers files and artwork on boot
[13:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: they don't modify the firefox package, they have an init script that replaces the artwork at every boot
[13:47] <seb128> urg
[13:47] <mdeslaur> +1
[13:47] <ogra_> heh
[13:47] <ogra_> efficient programming :)
[13:48] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, oh, i was wondering how they modified our package
[13:49] <mdeslaur> look at the package called "mintsystem"
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> oh, wow
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> how fragile is that?
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> should i feel bad that the firefox update we pushed to oneiric breaks their customizations? ;)
[13:52] <smspillaz> didrocks: so .... are you planning on getting a new laptop any time soon? ;-)
[13:53] <kenvandine> yikie, that is craptastic :)
[13:54] <didrocks> smspillaz: I think I'll have to :)
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, i'm actually tempted to report a mint bug kindly requesting that they modify mintsystem to remove the distribution.ini from their firefox install (seeing as that contains specific info to identify canonical builds) ;)
[13:57] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: sure :)
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, oh, they already do
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> so, i wonder what happens when i upgrade firefox. i guess that their customizations are broken until a restart
[13:59] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: which package contains their firefox mangling scripts?
[13:59] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: yeah, you probably revert to ubuntu artwork until you reboot :P
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, mint-artwork-common
[14:02] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: hehe, nice: rm -rf /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/*
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, one thing we changed in this update is the layout of searchplugin installation (to match the upstream layout, so we could drop a patch we didn't really need)
[14:03] <kenvandine> that is really sad that so many people seem to be using mint considering the way they do that mangling
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> and their scripts make an assumption of the old layout
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> so that's broken now
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> they will end up with both ubuntu + mint searchplugins
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> oh well
[14:03] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: oh well
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe how dumb this is
[14:03] <ogra_> and that worries you because ?
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, because mint users report bugs against our package in launchpad
[14:06] <ogra_> reject them :)
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> if they tell me they use mint, i will
[14:06] <ogra_> or assign them to the mint project (assuming there is one on LP)
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> but a mint user reported a bug this morning and said he was using oneiric
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> he neglected to tell me he was using Mint 12, which is based on oneiric until his second comment
[14:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, refuse any bug non apport reported ;-)
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128, that's basically what i do already
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> i should probably make that more clear at the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[14:11] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: it was an apport filed bug from mint?
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, no, they can't use apport to report firefox bugs
[14:14] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, cant you put something into ubufox you could check for ?
[14:14] <ogra_> assuming they dont install ubufox indeed
[14:17] <ogra_> so if you are not sure a user runs mint you ask for the content of file "foople" and if they dotn have it you know its not ubuntu :)
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> oh, this is elegant. they have a dpkg trigger for /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/google.xml which reruns their mintsystem hack on upgrade
[14:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, stop wasting time on mint, that will not help your users ;-)
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm just interested to find out how bad mint is
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> but i'm discovering that it's so bad, it almost makes me want to vomit
[14:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, "bad enough to not use it" ;-)
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> heh
[14:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do they change the search affiliation code to their own or something?
[14:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, they did that with the music stores
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, they completely replace our searchplugins using their init script
[14:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can they do that?
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> but, that no longer works with the oneiric update we just published ;)
[14:41] <seb128> or do they need mozilla's agreement for that sort of changes?
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm not sure if they can do that. i don't know if they have an agreement or not
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> i'm guessing "not" by the look of some of the changes they make
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> particularly disabling the EULA, which we're obliged to show
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> lol @ https://twitter.com/#!/robcee/status/195881656278716416 ;)
[14:45] <mdeslaur> They probably don't have an agreement for shipping the binary flash plugin in their repo either
[14:45] <seb128> hehe
[14:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, it's fun how they hide kernel upgrades and some others, they have their own scale of how much those upgrades annoy users or something
[14:46] <mdeslaur> who needs security updates, right?
[14:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, like after kernel update you should reboot so they don't suggest them ;-)
[14:46] <seb128> mdeslaur, well if you have a secure system like linuxmint you don't need them for sure ;-)
[14:46] <ogra_> dont they also hide Xorg security updates as well ?
[14:47] <ogra_> probably to make sure nobody uninstalls their version that contains the keyloggers :)
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, yes, they hide xorg security updates too
[14:51] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11712141&postcount=10
[14:52] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:52] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: denial! http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11712615&postcount=18
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> hah!
[15:24] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[15:24] <cyphermox> seb128: hey
[15:24] <seb128> cyphermox, how are you?
[15:24] <cyphermox> good, yourself?
[15:24] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, looking most common issues reported through whoopsie on the lts
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/912948 is on the list
[15:25] <cyphermox> ok
[15:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 912948 in gnome-control-center "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in refresh_ui()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, do you think there is any chance you could have a look?
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, it's in the network capplet
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/102499638/Stacktrace.txt is a current version stacktrace
[15:26] <cyphermox> right, I wonder if that's what I'm just about to upload a fix to -proposed for
[15:26] <seb128> cyphermox, you think it's the same as the ssid one?
[15:26] <cyphermox> I think so, checking now
[15:26] <seb128> cyphermox, please hold off on the upload, I'm about to commit some soundnua fixes from Conor to the vcs, would be nice to have them in the same upload ;-)
[15:27] <cyphermox> yes, I was going to ask before ;)
[15:27] <cyphermox> so, maybe it's not actually the same thing after all, or the traces are too old
[15:29] <seb128> cyphermox, the one I pointed is 15 days old
[15:29] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:29] <cyphermox> it
[15:29] <cyphermox> it's not the SSID thing, but I know what this is, I think
[15:29] <seb128> ok
[15:29] <cyphermox> let's give it a shot now, brb
[15:30] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[15:30] <cyphermox> yeah, it's pretty easy to reproduce ;)
[15:38] <didrocks> and this is a fixed laptop again :)
[16:00] <dupondje> damn, i'm always impressed by the amount of bugs a unity upload fixes :)
[16:00] <dupondje> didrocks++ :)
[16:01] <didrocks> ;)
[16:01] <ksian> how to start GUI in ubuntu 12.04
[16:04] <Chipaca> hi all. Quick question about process: do i have to add or remove a tag when I successfully test something in -proposed?
[16:04] <dupondje> didrocks: the fix for Remmina, could that fix the issue that I was unable to maximize it on a second screen (it always tooked 2 screens then)
[16:04] <didrocks> dupondje: yeah, it can be linked to the issue you mentionned
[16:04] <didrocks> dupondje: better to test though :)
[16:06] <dupondje> nice :) will do that
[16:06] <dupondje> working a bit on improving Remmina atm :)
[16:08] <didrocks> great!
[16:08]  * didrocks waves good week-end, time for lyon's release party :)
[17:02] <dobey> Chipaca: generally the verification-needed can be changed to verification-done
[17:03] <Chipaca> dobey: done :)
[17:03] <Chipaca> dobey: thanks
[17:03] <Chipaca> i've also figured out what was breaking the server-side workaround, so all is well
[17:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, there?
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah
[17:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm unhappy!
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> how come? :(
[17:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if I can't go to UDS it will be your fault :p
[17:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/firefox.png
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> oh, that doesn't look good :/
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> it did work here when i printed mine though
[17:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that's my esta, I think they will not like it :p
[17:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, their summary page printed fine, the screwed one was me doing a "print to file" of the summary screen before they asked me if I wanted to print if
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> ah, i didn't try that
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> i only saved the summary page
[17:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, joke aside there is a good chance the issue is in cairo,poppler,gtk
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> yeah, possibly :)
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure how to debug that sort of issue though :/
[17:10]  * seb128 hugs chrisccoulson
[17:10]  * chrisccoulson hugs seb128
[17:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm not sure either, usually if you come with a testcase the cairo guys figure it out of you ;-)
[17:11] <seb128> but printing random pages doesn't have that issue
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> heh, printing the page that's broken for you seems to work here :/
[17:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you get that if you print https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/application.html ?
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> i beat you to it ;)
[17:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, :-(
[17:14] <seb128> well it reproduce the bug there, but I'm on firefox 11 still
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> ah, you're out of date already ;)
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> i should probably try with an older version actually
[17:14] <chrisccoulson> i'm on 15.0 here ;)
[17:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, epiphany prints it fine
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> ok, so it seems like it might really be a firefox issue then
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> i'd definitely try upgrading first though :)
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> i'll try with the current beta here, which is the oldest version i have ;)
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> that works too :/
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> seb128, is it just printing to pdf which is broken? ie, is the print preview broken as well?
[17:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, wth?
[17:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the print preview is fine, printing from it works, if I do file, print, and print from there it's buggy
[17:20] <seb128> oh no, it's buggy this time from the print preview screen
[17:21] <seb128> hum, maybe I screwed it the first time
[17:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the print preview is fine
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128, do you want to see if it's still an issue in the current version too?
[17:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, sure, were do I get it?
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, you're still in 11.0, aren't you? if so, just run a normal upgrade :)
[17:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, print to ps is fine, it's only an issue to pdf
[17:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ah, I though you meant 15 when you said "current"
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's current for me ;)
[17:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages
[17:23] <seb128> is that the right ppa if I want crack? ;-)
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, that's the right one for crack
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> or https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next if you don't want as much crack ;)
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> i wish i could change the description of a PPA without launchpad timing out
[17:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it doesn't happen with the crack version
[17:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, iz firefox bog in 11 then
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ok, that's good :)
[17:31] <seb128> yeah
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, do you know if it happens with the beta too?
[17:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, which beta?
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128, this one: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next ;)
[17:31] <seb128> 13?
[17:31] <seb128> let me try
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[17:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, works fine with 13
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, excellent, thanks
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> that's good then :)
[17:38] <seb128> yw
[17:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, "good", the precise release is still buggy :p
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, well, 11 is. i'm not sure about 12, which is what we pushed out today. but if it's fixed in 13, then at least i don't have to do anything :)
[17:39] <seb128> hehe
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> and it will be fixed in precise in 6 weeks, assuming it isn't already :)
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> 6 week release processes rock ;)
[17:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah
[17:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well in any case I'm glad it's a bug of firefox
[17:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I didn't look forward debugging a cairo bug there
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> and i'm glad it's a bug that's already been fixed :)
[17:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm sure it was a secret plan to get me to install firefox 13 and firefox-trunk 15
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah ;)
[17:43] <seb128> ;-)
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> oh, that's better, now that precise is released. the number of downloads from the beta PPA is going up a bit faster :)
[19:12] <BigWhale> I need GStreamer 1.0 in Quantal ... :/
[19:17] <dobey> BigWhale: well at least it's not python3 :)
[19:18] <BigWhale> I'd like python3 too
[19:18] <dobey> though i guess rhythmbox getting ported to gst 1.0 for 12.10 is also a huge project
[19:18] <BigWhale> because right now, what I have is a clusterfsck of different things.
[19:18] <dobey> BigWhale: well, you already have the choice to use python3. but it's not a requirement :)
[19:18] <BigWhale> I can't
[19:19] <BigWhale> I need gstreamer 1.0 first
[19:19] <dobey> heh
[19:19] <BigWhale> beacuse there's no static gstreamer binding for python3
[19:20] <dobey> though i guess we can ship gstreamer 1.0 in main or universe but not installed by default, if all the default apps aren't ported
[19:20] <BigWhale> dobey, it would be very very nice, to have it
[19:20] <dobey> BigWhale: but you can use the GI bindings for gst 0.10 in python 3 right now, no?
[19:20] <kenvandine> dobey, nope
[19:21] <BigWhale> dobey, I was told: "Hahahahah, no."
[19:21] <BigWhale> something like that
[19:21] <dobey> well i guess you can barely use them in python 2
[19:21] <BigWhale> GI for gstreamer 0.10 is broken
[19:21] <dobey> :)
[19:21] <BigWhale> I tried
[19:21] <kenvandine> i've seen someone else complain about that too
[19:21] <dobey> s/for gstreamer 0.10//
[19:21] <BigWhale> :))
[19:22] <dobey> and makes it insanely hard to support both old versions of gtk, and the new version
[19:22] <BigWhale> Meh, someone should declare Gtk2 obsolete and stop shipping it in main :>
[19:23] <mlankhorst> BigWhale: mm.. if only gtk3 had qtcurve engine again :)
[19:23] <kenvandine> someone convince mozilla and google
[19:23] <kenvandine> and LO
[19:23] <BigWhale> All that is GTK2?
[19:23] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:23]  * BigWhale sobs quietly.
[19:23] <kenvandine> BigWhale, you can port those over the weekend, right?
[19:24] <mlankhorst> all 3 i hope :D
[19:24] <BigWhale> If I could, I'd wear a cape and my underwear over my pants ...
[19:25] <kenvandine> i'd pay good money to see that
[19:25] <BigWhale> me in a cape? or those ports?
[19:25] <BigWhale> (just making sure) ...
[19:25] <BigWhale> :))
[19:25] <mlankhorst> you doing those feats, then getting arrested
[19:25] <kenvandine> either :)
[19:26]  * mlankhorst grabs popcorn
[19:26] <BigWhale> I think I'm getting a headache. :>
[19:26] <BigWhale> I better write some code ...
[19:27] <mlankhorst> "Hold on, I'm just about to be brilliant."
[19:27] <kenvandine> of course now in my time of need, i can't find photos of ubuntu man from UDS
[19:29] <BigWhale> ubuntu man? and you're not talking about Jono in a hot-dog costume, right? that was Fedora wiener.
[19:29] <BigWhale> :>
[19:30] <kenvandine> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Precise/20221518_XQsjKJ#!i=1598156630&k=8k2tBdf
[19:30] <kenvandine> BigWhale, ^^
[19:31] <BigWhale> haha
[19:31] <BigWhale> Awesome.
[19:31] <kenvandine> a full body photo would be better
[19:31] <kenvandine> he was orange from head to toe
[19:31] <kenvandine> :)
[19:32] <kenvandine> oh and the hulk at the halloween party was awesome
[19:32] <kenvandine> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Precise/20221518_XQsjKJ#!i=1598285416&k=Hz8vN2f&lb=1&s=A
[19:32] <mlankhorst> oh my
[19:33] <mlankhorst> and his trusty sidekick on the right?
[19:37] <BigWhale> There's no PPA for GStreamer 1.0
[19:56] <dobey> bah, evil gcc
[19:57] <dobey> BigWhale: i don't think we're going to stop shipping gtk2 in main on lucid and natty :)
[19:58] <BigWhale> dobey, well, those can stay ...
[19:58] <BigWhale> ... for now! :>
[19:58] <dobey> BigWhale: yes, well, it makes it really hard for me to support them with new versions :(
[19:59]  * desrt discovers a very very very bad situation to be in with apt
[19:59] <dobey> and now gcc is already breaking some of my stuff on quantal :(
[20:00] <BigWhale> dobey, gtk3 only distribution would be nice, but I know it can't really happen anytime soon(ish)...
[20:00] <dobey> BigWhale: isn't that what elementary is?
[20:00] <dobey> though i guess they probably haven't ported all their half-done apps to gtk3 yet? :)
[20:01] <BigWhale> no idea, I never really tried it.
[20:01] <dobey> hrmm, even midori is still gtk2 though
[20:01] <BigWhale> I've turned into a full fledged fan-boy :/
[20:01] <dobey> the big problem with a gtk3 browser, is flash is still gtk2; though should be a non-issue hopefully with webkit2
[20:02] <BigWhale> what about chrome(ium)?
[20:02] <BigWhale> what do they use?
[20:04] <dobey> chrome is moving to some new thing
[20:04] <dobey> aura or something?
[20:05] <dobey> because we all need more widget sets
[20:05] <BigWhale> there world will only be happy when every one has their own widget set.
[20:06] <BigWhale> :>
[20:06] <kenvandine> one widget set per app right?
[20:06] <BigWhale> per app? pffft!
[20:06] <BigWhale> per person!
[20:14] <dobey> per IP per day
[20:27] <mlankhorst> ip != person
[21:04] <Daviey> 189406