[07:03] <ppisati> moin
[07:18]  * apw wonders if he can get off the updates elevator
[07:20]  * ppisati didn't know we had an elevator... :)
[07:22] <apw> heh ... i see the archive is suitibly slow for release +1
[07:23] <_ruben> dutch mirror seemed to keep just fine last night (updated my local repo at ~70Mbps)
[07:23] <smb> moin
[07:25] <dileks> apw: speaking of archiche.u.c? yes, its slow
[07:27] <apw> dileks, i am looking at gb.archive.u.c (a different location it seems) and that is slow also
[07:28] <dileks> ( I skipped de-archive to save some MB on each upgrade. dunno if ubuntu allows also archive-diff/pkgs-diff on upgrades )
[07:29] <dileks> approx. 20M each time
[08:49]  * ppisati -> brb
[09:41] <apw> ogasawara, i've made the 'kernel essential topic' thingy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-quantal-kernel-essential
[09:46] <apw> ogasawara, i have also added it to the specs spage
[10:08]  * ppisati -> brb (again)
[10:30] <apw> smb, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-lxc one you might want to attend
[10:32] <smb> apw, yeah, and probably other ones in that generic realm
[10:34] <apw> smb, if you see anything you think i should be on, let me know
[10:34] <smb> apw, will do
[10:35] <ppisati> smb: there's an ARM server track that you might be insterested in
[10:36] <smb> ppisati, maybe... (/me is looking through things)
[10:37] <ppisati> smb: well, i'
[10:37] <ppisati> ll go anyway
[10:37] <ppisati> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20410/servercloud-q-arm-server/
[10:37] <smb> apw, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-userns
[10:37] <ppisati> all the UEFI stuff
[10:41] <apw> smb, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-devicens
[10:41] <smb> apw, refresh :)
[10:52]  * ppisati -> out for lunch
[11:30] <Madkiss> hi folks!
[11:31] <Madkiss> I just realized that linux-image-3.2.0-24.37-virtual is missing DRBD
[11:31] <Madkiss> or rather, drbd.ko
[11:31] <Madkiss> is there any particular reason for that?
[11:41] <smb> Madkiss, for virtual only a limited set of modules is in the kernel package. There is an extras package containing the rest
[11:41] <smb> linux-image-extra-virtual
[11:42] <ogra_> sounds like "linux-image-very-unreal" :P
[11:43] <Madkiss> did that change between -23 and -24?
[11:43] <smb> no, that should have been that way since start of 3.2
[11:44] <Madkiss> linux-image-3.2.0-23-generic did contain drbd.ko
[11:44] <Madkiss> errrr
[11:44] <Madkiss> NOW I see it
[11:45] <Madkiss> sorry for the noise
[11:45] <Madkiss> :)
[11:46] <smb> no worries. :)
[12:19] <_ruben> interesting .. was gonna install precise on an old PE2950 with quad core 1.6 xeon .. kernel freezes when booting the installer :/
[12:19] <_ruben> last lines regard disable aspm (?) and pre-1.1 pcie devices
[12:21] <tgardner> _ruben, have you tried acpi=off ?
[12:22] <_ruben> haven't tried anything yet .. hitting google for hints .. and this channel :)
[12:22] <tgardner> _ruben, has it booted any prior release?
[12:22] <smb> cking, ^ what was the choices for aspm?
[12:23] <tgardner> pcie_aspm=off
[12:23] <cking> off, default, performance, powersave
[12:24] <_ruben> tgardner: this specific box has previously run various windows flavors and esxi, doesn't have linux experience yet
[12:24] <smb> Hm, documentation only mentions off and force
[12:24] <_ruben> i'm gonna try the acpi and pcie_aspm options in a bit
[12:25] <_ruben> (collecting as much possibilities, to save on excessive walks up and down to serverroom)
[12:25] <_ruben> havent figured out console redirection on these boxes yet
[12:26] <_ruben> bbiab
[12:38] <jdstrand> jsalisbury, bjf: hi! have you seen these bugs in Ubuntu on recent lucid kernels: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656899, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783823 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783955. it seems like the fix for CVE-2011-4127 is what is causing it. RedHat says it is just noise and not a problem. My system seems fine otherwise
[12:38] <ubot2> jdstrand: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-4127)
[12:38] <ubot2> Debian bug 656899 in src:linux-2.6 "mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition warnings in kernel log with kernel 3.2" [Minor,Open]
[12:40] <brendand> cking - hi
[12:41] <cking> brendand, how can I help?
[12:42] <tgardner> jdstrand, I think this is a known log filler annoyance, but otherwise benign
[12:42] <jdstrand> tgardner: thanks-- that was the conclusion I was coming to, but wanted to be sure
[12:43]  * jdstrand adds something to logcheck 
[12:43] <brendand> cking - i have a strange situation where the same fwts command is running on clients but erroring on servers
[12:43] <brendand> cking - i'll pastebin it. two ticks
[12:44] <brendand> cking - http://paste.ubuntu.com/949688/
[12:44] <brendand> cking, same command runs fine on my own system running precise
[12:45] <brendand> cking, it fails on all our servers
[12:47] <cking> brendand, I suspect it is trying to write to fwts.log but that is not writeable
[12:47] <cking> where is this log file, does it already exist but owned by someone like root?
[12:47] <brendand> cking - the file doesn't exist yet
[12:48] <cking> brendand, where are you running it? 
[12:49] <brendand> cking - ah, i thought i put the path in the pastebin. i see what you mean, let me try something else
[12:50] <brendand> cking - ok, so that might have been a red herring. it's still failing on all our servers though. i'll do a bit more looking
[12:50] <_ruben> tgardner / smb: acpi=off, pcie_aspm=off/force : no go ... pci=use_crs : boots
[12:51] <_ruben> the latter was suggested in the error i got with the pcie_aspm options, and then to file a bug
[12:53] <smb> Hm, ok... IIRC that was related to some degree how to set up bridge windows (top down or bottom up). But as you said this is first trial with Linux...
[12:53] <_ruben> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/949707/
[12:54] <_ruben> at the end of that paste, the other attempts would be hanging
[12:54] <_ruben> so yes, it's related to the bridge windows
[12:55] <smb> Right, though probably more in the sense that the information from acpi is ok but the bios is pre 2008
[12:55] <_ruben> that's very likely
[12:56] <_ruben> the pre-2008 part
[12:56] <_ruben> still looking for my update dvd to fully update it, tho given the ancient hardware, i wonder if there'd be much newer bioses avail
[12:58] <smb> _ruben, I would be surprised. I rather meant its like the message says. Reporting an upstream bug to add the machine data into an exception table 
[13:00] <_ruben> wow .. 12/8/2010
[13:00] <_ruben> latest bios
[13:02] <smb> _ruben, That is the bios installed or available?
[13:02] <ogasawara> apw: thanks
[13:03] <ppisati> my beagle is still updating...
[13:25] <_ruben> smb: avail and being installed now .. going from 1.2.0 to 2.7.0 .. not that that means much :)
[13:26] <smb> _ruben, Heh, yeah. At least for you use-case the 2010 date will give you automatically the use_crs ...
[13:27] <_ruben> smb: guess we'll see in a bit .. firmware updates (bios/raid/etc) tend to take a while on these dells, once it's done, i'll try to boot without special params
[13:39] <_ruben> smb: wheee! .. bios update fixed the boot issue :)
[13:40] <smb> :) sometimes they do... sometimes those create new issues... :-P
[13:41] <_ruben> yeah
[13:41] <_ruben> ugh .. this new purplish background is scary .. it's nearly the same color as ESXi's "purple screen of death" :P
[14:26]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:51] <bjf> brendand: when can you get to the Oneiric cert testing? bug 985736
[14:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 985736 in kernel-sru-workflow "linux: 3.0.0-19.33 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985736
[14:58] <brendand> bjf - it will definitely be done by the end of the day
[14:59] <bjf> brendand: thanks
[14:59] <brendand> bjf - sorry for the delay, we've been having some tools issues
[14:59] <pinqvin> hello
[15:00] <pinqvin> is here audio kernel koders?
[15:00] <pinqvin> *hackers
[15:00] <bjf> brendand: you should have told me you were busy testing the release. tools issues i have much less patience with.
[15:03] <diwic> pinqvin, maybe :-)
[15:03] <diwic> pinqvin, it depends on what you want ;-)
[15:09] <pinqvin> diwic, jeps is here new lowlatency kernel?
[15:10] <pinqvin> 3.2.0-23-lowlatency is my current kernel is here newer one?
[15:10] <diwic> pinqvin, oh, I'm not the right person to answer that.
[15:10] <diwic> sorry.
[15:11] <dileks> 3.2.0-24-* is released
[15:20] <pinqvin> dileks,  is there lowlatensy version? 
[15:21] <dileks> hmm, -generic(-pae) and virtual (amd64 here)
[15:23] <diwic> pinqvin, they are maintained by the ubuntu studio team, so they can lag behind a bit I guess. But I don't have all the details about how those things work.
[15:23] <ohsix> most of the patches that made the rt patch set what it is are in the kernel proper now :]
[15:24] <dileks> pinqvin: is that -rt patchset included?
[15:25] <ohsix> the stuff that splits extra drivers into top and bottom halves isn't though; would be curious to see what latencytop has to say in the same scenario where i'm ruining the normal kernel
[15:25] <pinqvin> dileks, yea
[15:26] <dileks> debian has labeled that sort of kernel with -rt
[16:12] <RobinJ1995> diwic? you there? i was referred to you by ogra_
[16:24] <diwic> RobinJ1995, I can take a quick question
[16:26] <RobinJ1995> probably won't be quick, i'm afraid. diwic, can you help me find a temporary solution until this bug is fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/984991
[16:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 984991 in pulseaudio "[Latitude D620, SigmaTel STAC9200, Speaker, Internal] Sound disappears" [Undecided,New]
[16:28] <diwic> RobinJ1995, *looking* unfortunately it does not look like there is an easy way out of it. Try the stuff here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/PositionReporting but I'm unsure if it'll help.
[16:29] <RobinJ1995> wait
[16:29] <RobinJ1995> i think i found what caused it!
[16:30] <RobinJ1995> If I open the Sound settings panel, no sound device is selected, but the sound is working. The sound stops working from the moment I select one. That's why I can't undo it, because there's no way to "unselect" the only item in the list.
[16:30] <RobinJ1995> so how do i reset the value or something?
[16:30] <RobinJ1995> diwic, where's it stored?
[16:31] <diwic> RobinJ1995, try installing pavucontrol which offers a little more control
[16:31] <diwic> unfortunately I have to go now
[16:31] <RobinJ1995> ok
[16:31] <RobinJ1995> bye and thx
[16:31] <diwic> please report any additional findings to the bug report
[16:33] <RobinJ1995> ok
[16:33] <RobinJ1995> YAY! FIXED IT!
[16:41]  * ppisati -> rushes out
[16:51] <smb> tgardner, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/Orchestra
[16:52] <smb> The one other thing needed to make xen host be able to be managed by virt-manager (or two)
[16:52] <smb> on the host "apt-get install virt-host^"
[16:52] <smb> also on the host edit /etc/xen/xend-config.sxp
[16:52] <smb> (xend-unix-server yes)
[16:53] <smb> ^ this needs to be in there (there is a commented out version with no in it)
[16:53] <tgardner> smb, there is no package named virt-host
[16:53] <smb> tgardner, note the ^
[16:53] <smb> it should be a task
[16:53] <smb> if I did not confise the name
[16:54] <tgardner> indeed. wtf is a taask ?
[16:54] <tgardner> task*
[16:54] <smb> tgardner, the things you can look at with tasksel --list
[16:54] <smb> like ubuntu-desktop^
[16:54] <smb> (magic group of packages)
[16:54] <tgardner> huh. learn something new every day
[16:56] <smb> We often do a "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" while in develeopment to find out what things we missed out on
[16:59] <smb> tgardner, Oh and if a normal user on the host should be able to make use of virtual machines he must be in the libvirtd group
[16:59]  * smb thinks maybe a charm would be nice really...
[17:16] <greearb> Hello!  I'm planning to re-spin the 12.04 LTS desktop cd with a modified 3.3 kernel.
[17:16] <greearb> Is this the upstream 3.3 kernel:  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal.git;a=summary ?
[17:18] <tgardner> greearb, v3.4-rc4
[17:18] <dileks> check Makefile :-)
[17:19] <greearb> ok, is there an upstream 3.3 with ubuntu patches applied?
[17:20] <greearb> for that matter, would a stock 3.3 kernel work on the live-cd?
[17:22] <dileks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[17:24] <greearb> happen to know where the git trees for that are?  I need to add my hacks on top of 3.3.3 
[17:32] <dileks> greearb: unfortunately, no
[17:35] <greearb> bummer...  Think maybe the v3.4-rc4 tree has some tags that would be something similar to 3.3 + ubuntu patches..or maybe it is rebased on top of the latest upstream when moving to 3.4-rcX?
[17:35] <greearb> guess I could run -rc4, but that is liable to be painful :P
[17:40] <dileks> greearb: want to test some wireless stuff?
[17:40] <greearb> yeah, and the rest of my patch set
[17:40] <greearb> some of which is too crufty to ever make it upstream :)
[17:45] <dileks> greearb: I use a -generic kernel-config and build upstream GIT with make deb-pkg
[17:46] <greearb> and that is enough to boot a live-cd?
[17:46] <greearb> I was afraid there might be some special patches to make that work that are not upstream...
[17:46] <dileks> or pull in some other GIT like net.git|wireless.git|iwlwifi.git#wireless 
[17:47] <dileks> dont think so
[17:47] <dileks> IIRC you need aufs or overlayfs support
[17:47] <greearb> right, that's what I was thinking
[17:47] <dileks> cant say which one is used
[17:48] <greearb> going to poke around the 3.4-rcx tree and see if I can find some branch that does what I want
[17:48] <dileks> dba with debian-live uses aufs, but was highly interested to see overlayfs in upstream
[17:49] <dileks> due to viro union-mounts is favourized
[17:49] <dileks> dunno status
[17:50] <dileks> we will see it working with gnu/hurd together
[17:50] <greearb> I have other battles to fight, so not going to tangle with that..would rather use the 3.4-rc4 or backport to 3.2
[17:51] <dileks> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mszeredi/vfs.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/overlayfs.v12
[17:53] <dileks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master-next
[17:53] <dileks> greearb: has fs/overlayfs in its tree
[17:53] <greearb> nod
[17:56] <dileks> shall include that ubuntu overlayfs support
[17:57] <njin> hello can someone translate this :  probe of LNXSLPBN
[17:57] <greearb> er, so not there yet?
[17:57] <dileks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ce2794fc9d5460e13892937fd77a4a5aa785937
[17:57]  * ogasawara lunch
[17:57] <dileks> greearb: ^^
[17:57] <njin> ah, sleep button
[17:57] <dileks> ogasawara: which version of overlayfs is this in 3.4-rc4?
[17:59]  * cking -> EOD
[18:06] <dileks> greearb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/950413/
[18:08] <greearb> thanks
[18:08] <dileks> no problem
[18:08] <greearb> that is your script to build an upstream kernel, w/out the overlay stuff applied?
[18:09] <dileks> you can use it for any kernel shipping debbuild script
[18:10] <dileks> yes, I use it to build out of upstream GIT
[18:10] <dileks> local GIT (branches)*
[18:12] <dileks> http://nopaste.snit.ch/135876
[18:12] <dileks> master is for me v3.4-rc4 tag
[18:13] <greearb> I wonder if checking out commit 982a02179e5186687124ff2dada922961f52c381 in ubuntu-quantal would do the trick..
[18:13] <dileks> dunno
[18:14] <dileks> greearb: if you want to fix your $distribution when building with deb-pkg
[18:14] <dileks> http://marc.info/?l=linux-kbuild&m=133521952404693&w=2
[18:16] <dileks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal.git;a=history;f=fs/overlayfs;hb=refs/heads/master-next
[18:23] <dileks> greearb: http://nopaste.snit.ch/135883
[18:24] <greearb> I'm having no luck trying to use a previous commit in the quantal git tree...seems like I'm confused about how git branches work or something....still poking around.
[18:34] <dileks> greearb: yeah, its missing this
[18:34] <dileks> http://nopaste.snit.ch/135884
[18:35] <dileks> in the tarball
[18:37] <greearb> I'm just going to try the 3.4-rc4 kernel.  I have a bit of time before release, so maybe it will be stable enough.  Lot more fun to port forward than backwards :P
[18:38] <dileks> greearb: which distro?
[18:38] <greearb> I'm going to apply my patches on top of ubuntu-quantel git tree (master-next branch)
[18:39] <greearb> and see what happens
[18:40] <dileks> greearb: have fun!
[18:40] <greearb> only 102 patches, how hard could it be :)
[19:18]  * tgardner -> EOD
[19:22] <dileks> greearb: is overlayfs building for you?
[20:18] <greearb> still working on porting the patches forward
[21:10] <dileks> greearb: before you try with overlayfs <http://nopaste.snit.ch/135908>
[21:11] <greearb> I've got the patches ported..having to apt-get 500MB of latex crap to build kernel docs and such it seems...
[21:14] <dileks> greearb: how did you build? with make deb-pkg you do not need to do build-dep before.
[21:15] <dileks> PREREQS: Install build-essential, fakeroot and dpkg-dev packages (optional: git)!
[21:15] <dileks> dunno if ubuntu has the parallel-make patch for docs
[21:16] <Nafallo> dileks: you got the source... you can find out :-)
[21:16] <dileks> no, I have no ubuntu-kernel source installed yet 
[21:17] <dileks> OK, I can look into your GIT repo (debian/patches/...)
[21:17] <greearb> dileks:  Following this:  http://blog.avirtualhome.com/compile-linux-kernel-3-2-for-ubuntu-11-10/
[21:17] <greearb> roughtly
[21:17] <greearb> roughly
[21:20] <dileks> I know debians kernel build-system quite well as I modded to build daily linux-next kernels
[21:20] <dileks> but with deb-pkg, hmm, its faster
[21:22] <Nafallo> depends where you compile it :-)
[21:26] <dileks> that guy from lll-project reported 2mins with full config
[21:27] <Nafallo> he's faster than my netbook then :-P
[21:27] <dileks> if you build the whole day llvm/clang
[21:28] <dileks> anyway, it was nice to see a linux-kernel compiled with clang booting on i396
[21:28] <dileks> i386*
[21:28] <dileks> Nafallo: https://gist.github.com/929187
[21:29] <Nafallo> no thanks. I'm not sober enough to control a vimperator :-)
[21:31] <dileks> Nafallo: what do you mean by "sober ... vimperator" ?
[21:31] <Nafallo> nvm
[21:31] <Nafallo> I'm not actually using vimperator anyway...
[23:30] <greearb> looks like the ubuntu-quantel top-of-tree blows up in overlayfs code  and fails to compile :(
[23:31] <bjf> greerb, i built the master-next branch just a few hrs ago, let me build the master branch
[23:32] <greearb> I'm using master-next, I think
[23:32] <greearb> based on top of this:  7fc527978cd4509e357c780561536335c6498bca
[23:33] <bjf> yup, same here
[23:33] <bjf> did you build binary-generic ?
[23:33] <greearb> making my own derivative..but didn't change much
[23:34] <greearb> skipabi=true skipmodule=true fakeroot debian/rules binary-ct
[23:34] <bjf> sounds like you changed just enough :-)
[23:34] <greearb> based the config off of whatever ships with 12.04
[23:34] <greearb>   LD      arch/x86/built-in.o
[23:34] <greearb>   CC [M]  fs/overlayfs/super.o
[23:34] <greearb> /home/greearb/ubuntu-quantal/fs/overlayfs/super.c: In function ‘ovl_do_lookup’:
[23:34] <greearb> /home/greearb/ubuntu-quantal/fs/overlayfs/super.c:301:4: error: implicit declaration of function ‘prepare_creds’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[23:34] <greearb> /home/greearb/ubuntu-quantal/fs/overlayfs/super.c:301:18: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast [enabled by default]
[23:34] <greearb> etc
[23:35] <bjf> what i'd recoment you doing is build the tree without any of your changes and see if that works
[23:35] <greearb> can you check to see if you enabled compile of overlayfs?
[23:35] <bjf> i build with the config as defined in the tree
[23:36] <bjf> debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu:# CONFIG_OVERLAYFS_FS is not set
[23:38] <greearb> ./debian.master/config/i386/config.flavour.ct:CONFIG_OVERLAYFS_FS=m
[23:38] <greearb> bugger..I need that to make the live-cd image work I think
[23:38] <bjf> 17be56b59c8535ab835befa9555078687305bc76 UBUNTU: [Config] Temporarily disable overlayfs
[23:39] <bjf> yup, fails to build after rebase to v3.4-rc1
[23:39] <bjf> see the comments for that commit
[23:39] <greearb> well crap, guess I'll have to back-port my changes to the 3.2 kernel...seems the new kernel is a bit to fresh yet.