[00:00] <IdleOne> no, in #ubuntu you ask support questions and answer them if you can. you don't complain and rant about what you don't like
[00:00] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:00] <smallfoot-> where do i do that then?
[00:00] <IdleOne> start a blog
[00:00] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:01] <IdleOne> #ubuntu is for support, not chatting about ubuntu
[00:01] <smallfoot-> ok
[00:01] <smallfoot-> but i have questions
[00:01] <smallfoot-> like do you think firefox 12 will come and update firefox 11 in ubuntu or i have to wait 6 months?
[00:01] <IdleOne> I don't know
[00:01] <smallfoot-> well you the ubuntu guy, you must know
[00:02] <IdleOne> you are an ubuntu guy also, why don't you know?
[00:02] <smallfoot-> cuz im not the boss
[00:02] <smallfoot-> you are the  boss guy
[00:02] <IdleOne> neither am I
[00:02] <smallfoot-> you are ops
[00:02] <smallfoot-> you must know how stuff works
[00:02] <IdleOne> ops != knows everything about ubuntu
[00:02] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:03] <IdleOne> smallfoot-: I will remove the ban in #ubuntu but please understand that if you don't follow the guidelines you will be banned again and I don't know how long it will take before we remove it.
[00:03] <IdleOne> are we clear on that?
[00:03] <smallfoot-> oh oki
[00:03] <smallfoot-> thx
[00:04] <smallfoot-> the guidelines are kinda hard to follow though
[00:04] <IdleOne> no they aren't
[00:04] <smallfoot-> but i always get banned
[00:04] <IdleOne> then stop doing what it is you do to get banned
[00:04] <bazhang> then be careful
[00:05] <IdleOne> join #ubuntu please
[00:05] <bazhang> next time wont be so easy
[00:05] <smallfoot-> thanks
[00:05] <smallfoot-> yeah, but i already waited like a  year for this unban
[00:06] <IdleOne> right, next time could be 3 years
[00:06] <IdleOne> maybe 5
[00:06] <IdleOne> who knows
[00:06] <smallfoot-> :('
[00:07] <IdleOne> anyway you're not banned now. enjoy the channel, follow the rules. I hope not to see you in here again.
[00:07] <smallfoot-> ok thx
[00:07] <smallfoot-> <3
[00:08] <IdleOne> smallfoot-:  get out :)
[00:08] <smallfoot-> whooooooa, wow guess what just cmae in my ubuntu update? firefox 12!! just what i was wanted
[00:08] <smallfoot-> ok
[00:08] <smallfoot-> bye
[00:08] <IdleOne> bye
[00:08] <knome> heh "get out"
[00:09] <IdleOne> I said it with a smile :)
[00:10]  * knome said that with 4+ beers
[00:10] <knome> (avg. over 7% by far)
[00:55] <bazhang> gnome-shell on KDE4?
[00:55] <bazhang> augh
[00:56] <knome> too drunk on release-day?
[00:56] <knome> ouch...
[00:56] <bazhang> LINT
[00:56] <bazhang> canonical need to hire him for QA
[00:57] <IdleOne> did he switch from kdm to gdm?
[00:57] <IdleOne> probably not
[00:57]  * knome has *no* idea, will read the logs (maybe) tomorrow
[00:57] <bazhang> "fail" "useless" "garbage"
[00:58] <bazhang> that s pretty much all he says
[00:58] <bazhang> never really asks for support
[01:33] <knome> :|
[09:12] <ikonia> hello Go_Apple you have been banned from ubuntu and forwarded to #ubuntu-ops when you where using the nickname Go_Implementatio
[09:13] <ikonia> bye bye then
[09:33] <ikonia> hello again networking
[09:33] <networking> firefox can open a web site and input data, may be version.
[09:33] <ikonia> networking: you are still banned from #ubuntu and in #ubuntu-ops until you talk to us
[09:33] <ikonia> networking: please don't start the sale pitch stuff that got you banned last time
[13:46] <bazhang> so +1 is -offtopic-extended now
[13:47] <Fuchs> we just closed down our +1 channel for the meantime
[13:47] <ikonia> I think we should clear it and set it back to +i
[13:47] <ikonia> infact, that's what I'll do
[13:47] <bazhang> better clear the bot out first
[13:48] <ikonia> I won't have permissions to set it back to invite, Fuchs is that something you can assit with ?
[13:48] <ikonia> bazhang: ubottu ?
[13:48] <bazhang> ikonia, how are we going to get the remaining users there out?
[13:49] <Fuchs> ikonia: you should prod IRCC guys, the are able to
[13:49]  * mneptok shifts ikonia's eyes back to +1
[13:49] <ikonia> clear it
[13:50] <bazhang> the bot will record that
[13:50] <bazhang> won't it?
[13:50] <Fuchs> also I'll leave here (university) in a few minutes, so if it needs staff, then I would be glad if you could prod someone else
[13:50] <ikonia> Pici: AlanBell topyli funkyHat ping
[13:51] <ikonia> ahhh mneptok can do it
[13:51] <ikonia> thank you mneptok
[13:51] <popey> never quite understood why +1 gets cleaned out
[13:51] <Fuchs> right. Have a nice evening  *waves* :)
[13:51] <popey> given q has already opened for development
[13:52] <mneptok> ikonia: i don;t have access to Cs "clear"
[13:52] <mneptok> *CS
[13:52] <ikonia> me neither
[13:52] <ikonia> I was just trying it as I'm sure you guessed
[13:52] <ikonia> popey: I've no issue leaving it open if there is stuff worth talking about on 12.10 now
[13:52] <mneptok> 07:51 [Freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[13:53] <topyli> popey: good point, maybe you could put it on the ircc meeting agenda?
[13:53] <ikonia> I just agreed with bazhang that it was becoming another pointless offtopic channel as there was nothing to discuss any more
[13:53] <mneptok> ikonia: we can clear manually, or set +m in addition to +i .....
[13:53] <popey> we need a meeting about it? ʘ‿ಠ
[13:53] <ikonia> mneptok: is it worth clearing ? as popey said it's open now, but is there anything really worth discussion at the time (I don't know, I'm asking)
[13:54] <ikonia> popey: you are ticket 223, now serving ticket 8
[13:54] <mneptok> ikonia: i'm just following orders like a good lil' soldier. :)
[13:54] <topyli> popey: ikonia has a point too, it tends to become a release party or nonsense channel for extended periods of time. which is why we should discuss it
[13:54] <ikonia> popey: is there anything worth discussion on 12.10 at the moment ?
[13:54] <mneptok> ikonia: let's set +m. that stops any convos, and anyone who /parts cannot rejoin until +i gets lifted.
[13:54] <ikonia> make it so ;)
[13:54] <topyli> mneptok: sounds like a plan
[13:55] <ikonia> topic too
[13:55] <mneptok> done.
[13:55] <topyli> popey: lets's just follow mneptok's practice and say it's so :)
[13:55] <ikonia> so people know it's 12.10 discussion and it will re-open shortly
[13:55] <ikonia> ahhh someone did the topic, very nice
[13:56] <popey> "thats the way we always do it"
[13:56] <ikonia> popey: doesn't mean it has to stay that way
[13:56] <ikonia> that's why I'm asking is there much going on 12.10 wise
[13:56] <popey> packages are being uploaded
[13:56] <popey> designs are being discussed
[13:57] <popey> a new unity will be out shortly
[13:57] <popey> well, designs are mostly done, they're now working on 13.04
[13:57] <ikonia> stuff that's available for discussion in +1 ?
[13:57] <popey> lets open #ubuntu+2
[13:57] <topyli> for science!
[13:57] <ikonia> as info available so it can be discussed
[13:58] <topyli> "ubuntu on wristwatches"
[13:58] <mneptok> SCIENCE!
[13:58] <popey> I dont think the decision of whether it should be opened should rest with the opinion of me on whether I believe there is stuff to be discussed
[13:58] <popey> if that was the case then #linuxmint probably wouldn't exist
[13:58] <popey> :p
[13:58] <topyli> heh
[13:58] <ikonia> popey: it's good to get info though so it can be discussed
[13:59] <ikonia> I don't know, I've not seen much on 12.10 but I'm also not looking for it,
[13:59] <topyli> i'm going to trust operators here :)
[13:59] <ikonia> sucker
[13:59] <topyli> haha
[13:59] <mneptok> popey: there are many things in this world i'll believe. that you have nothing to discuss about Mint is not one of them.
[13:59] <ikonia> popey: do you think it's worth keeping open at the moment and trying to steer it a little towards 12.10 ?
[14:00] <popey> ikonia: I'm just questioning the logic of closing an irc channel
[14:00] <ikonia> well, no-one is using it for it's function
[14:00] <topyli> popey: i think i saw you posting on google+ that you'll test mint? what was it like?
[14:00] <ikonia> so suspending it until there is something to discuss seems reasonable,
[14:00] <popey> nobody is using -irc today, shall we shut that too?
[14:01] <popey> topyli: i had a play and thought "ooh, retro"
[14:01] <popey> and then deleted the vm
[14:01] <ikonia> popey: it's not really "not today" it's since the release, that's why I'm asking if there is stuff available for reading/discussion on 12.10, then stick it open
[14:01] <topyli> popey: heh ok
[14:01] <popey> never mind
[14:02] <mneptok> popey: 12.10 discussion of any merit will happen in -devel. +1 is a channel for users. do you think users should be involving themselves in 12.10 at this point?
[14:02] <popey> do you think -devel is the right place for users?
[14:03] <mneptok> popey: if they are developing, yes.
[14:03] <popey> no, users
[14:03] <popey> not developers
[14:03] <Myrtti_> what users?
[14:03] <mneptok> popey: if they are _using_ Ubuntu, also yes. they can tell coredevs how they managed to get a working build.
[14:03] <popey> ok, forget it, it was just a suggestion.
[14:03] <ikonia> users should be able to chat about 12.10 in +1 if there is stuff to chat about, I genuinly don't know what's available
[14:04] <ikonia> popey: it's a good suggestion if there is stuff going on, I'd like it stay open
[14:04] <popey> we never stop
[14:04] <popey> we release ubuntu, we start work on ubuntu+1
[14:04]  * popey wanders off to a meeting about 12.10
[14:04] <ikonia> the information's not always public ready/worthwhile at this stage
[14:50] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: I think part of the shutting +1 logic is to make the knowledgable people go help the other users with the thing they've been using for months already, rather than just being all "wee, work is done - let's just chat like -offtopic for a while"
[14:50] <tonyyarusso> bazhang: I have a mass-kick script, btw.
[14:54] <tonyyarusso> popey: Could be totally wrong here, but my understand of +1 as a "users" channel would mean that they are _using_ +1.  Our past interpretation of that has been that the channel should reopen when it is _possible_ to be running +1, meaning when the core stuffs are uploaded and a repo opened, usually about a week or two into the cycle.
[14:54] <tonyyarusso> It's not just for discussion of development - that's -devel - but for support for use of it and the like.
[14:57] <topyli> is it around alpha1 time traditionally?
[14:58] <tonyyarusso> topyli: Well before.
[14:58] <topyli> ok
[14:58] <tonyyarusso> topyli: As soon as it's possible to dist-upgrade to it.
[14:59] <topyli> right, makes sense
[14:59] <topyli> not the upgrade, the channel opening :)
[15:11] <Myrtti> IIRC it's been about two weeks after the release, or whenever repos have been setup
[15:11] <Myrtti> ie. when dist-upgrade has been possible, indeed
[15:11] <Pici> If we close it, we open it by the time UDS starts.
[16:28] <IdleOne> ntcu355: How can I help you?
[16:31] <IdleOne> ntcu355: if you don't need anything from the ops team please don't idle in this channel
[16:39] <IdleOne> ntcu355: How can we help you?
[16:46] <IdleOne> Hello VivekVC
[16:46] <VivekVC> IdleOne: Hi
[16:46] <IdleOne> How may I be of service today?
[16:47] <VivekVC> IdleOne: I did not ask for assistance.
[16:47] <IdleOne> I know. I asked how I could assist
[16:47] <VivekVC> IdleOne: I am expoloring the various ubuntu channels.
[16:48] <IdleOne> VivekVC: I see, this is where the ops idle and wait to deal with ban resolution and such things. We ask that people not idle in here unless they are supposed to.
[16:49] <VivekVC> IdleOne: You want me to leave ?
[16:49] <topyli> ntcu355: please note that you can't idle on this channel. read the /topic
[16:49] <VivekVC> I don't have an issue to resolve.
[16:49] <IdleOne> VivekVC: I would appreciate it if you did but you are welcome to join anytime you need something from the ops team
[16:50] <VivekVC> IdleOne: ok.
[16:50] <VivekVC> topyli: I read the topic.
[16:50] <VivekVC> Are the staff here also canonical staff or is this a community channel ?
[16:51] <topyli> thanks. i was talking to ntcu355 but it applies to everyone :)
[16:51] <maco> volunteers
[16:51] <topyli> VivekVC: we are mostly volunteers
[16:51] <VivekVC> topyli: ok.
[16:51] <topyli> well, all volunteers really. nobody is paid to do this
[16:52] <VivekVC> In that case I have a few questions
[16:52] <topyli> shoot
[16:52] <VivekVC> I am Vivek Varghese Cherian, http://www.vivekcherian.com, a employee of CSS Corp and currently working on the Open Stack Beginners guide.
[16:52] <VivekVC> I've been on FreeNode for like 7 years.
[16:53] <VivekVC> I run the FOSS India IRC Server irc.foss-india.org
[16:54] <VivekVC> I am well known to Mr Prakash Advani and Mr Hardhik Dalwadi of Canonical, they are my ex colleagues.
[16:54] <topyli> VivekVC: sounds great
[16:54] <VivekVC> I would like to assist out the Ubuntu community on IRC.
[16:55] <VivekVC> Tell me where you think I can fit in.
[16:55] <topyli> even better
[16:55] <mneptok> VivekVC: support for issues in #ubuntu. it is always at the top of the "what needs help?" list.
[16:55] <topyli> as it happens, there will be a session in next week's Ubuntu OpenWeek about "how to help with ubuntu irc stuff"
[16:56] <VivekVC> I don't need a session as such, as I said 7 years on FreeNode assisting in various channels mostly indic related ones.
[16:56] <topyli> VivekVC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[16:57] <mneptok> VivekVC: also, you may try asking such questions in #ubuntu-in
[16:57] <topyli> this will not be about using irc, it's about ubuntu channels and culture, and how you can be a part
[16:58] <topyli> yeah helping your local community is a great way to advance ubuntu
[16:59] <VivekVC> Thanks
[17:00] <VivekVC> I am already part of #ubuntu-in
[17:01] <mneptok> VivekVC: is your question answered?
[17:01] <VivekVC> Yes.
[17:01] <mneptok> excellent.
[17:01] <topyli> you can also join the irc team mailing list and raise issues or make a difference in whatever issues we currently have: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-irc
[17:02] <VivekVC> Thanks mneptok, topyli  and mneptok
[17:02] <VivekVC> laters
[17:02] <topyli> everyone is also invited into the irc council meetings: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil
[17:02] <IdleOne> y mneptok gets 2 thanks
[17:02] <topyli> twice as good!
[17:02] <IdleOne> he was half as helpful as topyli
[17:03] <mneptok> IdleOne: both yin and yang of my nature were at work on those answers.
[17:03] <IdleOne> mneptok: ah, ok.
[17:28] <zeeno> i called ops because this guy was pasting the same thing twice, thought he was spamming
[17:30]  * LjL rolls eyes
[17:33] <IdleOne> Whitor: you need anything from the ops?
[17:33] <Whitor> IdleOne, nope, forgot I came here. Just curious to see what goes on here
[17:34] <IdleOne> secret things we log for the world to see
[17:34] <IdleOne> !logs
[17:34] <Whitor> I see that. honestly, I didn
[17:34] <IdleOne> Whitor: see /topic and notice the we reserve the right to boot you in the rear :)
[17:34] <Whitor> 't think I had voice in here
[17:35] <Whitor> ahh. I am idle'ing  .... boot me. I'm cool with it. (more fun that way)
[17:36] <IdleOne> I've reached my quota for user requested boots this month.
[17:37] <mneptok> Whitor: it's your mistake. you do the typing. :P
[17:38] <IdleOne> seriously, I asked nice like with a :) and everything
[17:39] <Whitor> asked what?  you didn't ask anything.
[17:39] <Whitor> you just notified me.  a statement.
[17:40] <IdleOne> Whitor: could you please /part this channel? :)
[17:40] <Whitor> if oyu has asked, I would have complied.
[17:40] <Whitor> absolutely :)
[17:40] <IdleOne> thank you
[17:41] <LjL> IdleOne: might not have been too clear i guess, maybe he thought in certain cases we have to kick people but otherwise they can stay
[17:41] <IdleOne> maybe
[18:07] <dsfsd> ubuntu
[18:28] <topyli> dsfsd: anything the ubuntu operators here can help you with? you can't idle here
[19:56] <tim_> where am i?
[19:56] <tim_>  the banned channel?
[19:57] <tim_> SOMEONE ANSWER
[20:06] <LjL> tim_: you're in #ubuntu-ops, which is the management channel for some #ubuntu namespace channels. if you've been banned it's indeed possible that you were redirected here
[20:07] <tim_> oh
[20:07] <tim_> thank @ljl
[20:07] <tim_> thank you* @ljl
[20:08] <LjL> tim_: ok, the problem seems to be that you insulted a user in #ubuntu in a seemingly random fashion
[20:09] <tim_> @ljl i am aware of the problem i have caused and i promise i will not reproduce it
[20:09] <tim_> @ljl and i am sincerely sorry
[20:09] <tim_> @ljl it seems like i been ip banned? :o
[20:11] <LjL> tim_: would you care to read our guidelines? i'll send you links. of course though, it doesn't end with the guidelines, common sense is also needed, and well, random insulting doesn't fall under the common sense umbrella. so while i don't know what made you say that, i hope it was a very transient unlikely to reoccur
[20:11] <LjL> !etiquette > tim_
[20:11] <LjL> !guidelines > tim_
[20:12] <tim_> are you implying that i do not have common sense?
[20:13] <LjL> tim_: i can't know whether you do or don't in general, but you certainly lacked it when you decided to insult a random person (as well as use a slur word that is not very acceptable in general)
[20:15] <tim_> at times of frustration and anger, possibly but in general i do
[20:15] <LjL> tim_: well, can i trust that you'll vent your frustration/anger in other ways than by abusing #ubuntu and its users in the future?
[20:16] <tim_> yes you can sir
[20:17] <tim_> if not, ill be forced to use Linux Mint Debian
[20:17] <tim_> well not forced, its an alternative
[20:18] <LjL> tim_: you should be able to join #ubuntu again. but note that "threatening" to switch distributions isn't really a way to make bans go away faster...
[20:18] <tim_> i am aware of that sir
[20:18] <tim_> its just a joke
[20:18] <LjL> ok
[20:19] <tim_> well, nice talking to you talk to you in another world
[20:19] <LjL> tim_: oh i made a mistake when trying to unban you, try joining now
[20:19] <tim_> okay
[20:20] <tim_> okay im in, Thank You!
[20:20] <LjL> you're welcome, enjoy
[20:21] <LjL> tim_: oh i should point out that you're supposed to leave this channel now unless you have other things to discuss with the ops
[20:22] <tim_> okay, as it is logged :o
[20:22] <tim_> good bye then
[20:23] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops tim_ Hmm, knows that this channel is logged but doesn't know what it is... some vaguely snarky remarks... maybe a mistake to unban him? Time will tell
[20:30] <mneptok> now there's your implication.