[00:00] <nixternal> we used like 2 huge rolls of cat-6 cabling, he has like 4 cisco/whatever wireless-n boxes. if i am out back with my laptop, i will actually use his internet because i get a better connection with his than i do mine wirelessly :)
[00:02] <nixternal> my mom has the bose wave radio thing. you talk about sweet
[00:03] <nixternal> i don't know what all it does, but i know it sounds really good
[00:03] <rick_h_> snap-l: we meeting up for dinner tomorrow?
[00:30] <snap-l> WE can try
[00:31] <rick_h_> snap-l: thinking of just heading down after work and finding some food down there before my talk
[00:31] <rick_h_> I should look at where this actually is :/
[00:33] <rick_h_> oh jeeze, that's way down there
[00:35] <rick_h_> ooh, pf changs!
[00:41] <snap-l> Grrr.... phone is in perrysburg
[00:42] <rick_h_> doh
[00:42] <snap-l> still has estimated date of tomorrow, though
[00:42] <snap-l> go little phone, go
[00:42] <rick_h_> you think it can you think it can
[00:42] <snap-l> Don't be like rick_h_'s phones and get caught up in customs
[01:25] <snap-l> There's a fucking fly in here.
[06:21] <Revolutionary> Is anyone active right now?
[11:49] <brousch> ug, rough morning
[11:50] <rick_h_> ouch
[11:51] <brousch> the boy broke his glasses, so he is all distraught. then he threw a fit and stomped on my wife's foot with his shoes, so he's more distraught
[11:54] <brousch> release party went well last night. 14 people there when there are typically 6 at that meeting
[11:54] <brousch> a lot less ubuntu hate this time around
[11:56] <rick_h_> that's cool
[11:56] <rick_h_> good to hear
[11:57] <brousch> perhaps
[11:57] <brousch> but there was only 1 unity user out of the 15 people
[11:58] <rick_h_> ouch
[11:58] <brousch> right
[11:58] <brousch> although a few others said their wives were using it
[11:58] <brousch> so apparently unity is the pinterest of window managers
[12:04] <shakes808> Good morning
[12:04] <shakes808> what release party?
[12:04] <brousch> shakes808: west MI
[12:04] <rick_h_> brousch: is a west sider, so they have their parties separately from us
[12:04] <brousch> east siders are to rowdy for us
[12:05] <rick_h_> hah
[12:06] <shakes808> HA
[12:06] <shakes808> Should take you to Harpos for some good times :)
[12:08] <brousch> is that a biker bar?
[12:17] <rick_h_> here you go jrwren http://goo.gl/fWcjW
[12:18] <brousch> i upgrade my wifi when my internet connection becomes faster than the wifi
[12:18] <rick_h_> meh, what about those network backups you're of course doing to make sure you're data is safe?
[12:19] <shakes808> http://www.harposconcerttheatre.com/
[12:19] <snap-l> g'morning
[12:20] <shakes808> morning
[12:21] <snap-l> brousch: Harpos is a metal bar on the east side
[12:21] <rick_h_> gotta love prepping a talk, last night heading to bed and realized I've got a whole topic to cover I forgot
[12:21] <snap-l> Though they tend lately to have more hair metal
[12:21] <brousch> rick_h_: wired
[12:22] <brousch> actually i don't have an onsite backup at home right now. dropbox and crashplan
[12:24] <snap-l> Whew, Spike The Tomb is actually CC-licensed.
[12:24] <snap-l> Their singer set up the Bandcamp site, and didn't tell the rest of the band
[12:24] <brousch> heh
[12:49] <shakes808> http://www.stubhub.com/rammstein-tickets/rammstein-auburn-hills-palace-of-auburn-hills-5-6-2012-2795154/
[12:49] <shakes808> Rammstein is coming :(
[12:49] <shakes808> :D Anyone want to donate some monies to me to go to the show?!!!!
[12:51] <shakes808> I am going to assume that the silence is a negative on that lol
[12:51] <snap-l> Already spent way too much on Rush tickets
[12:51] <shakes808> lol
[12:51] <shakes808> Understandable
[12:51] <shakes808> :D
[12:51] <shakes808> Geddy is an amazing bassist
[12:51] <shakes808> Neil is an amazing Drummer
[12:52] <shakes808> Acceptable ;)
[12:58] <shakes808> in this chat window, why do peoples colors change and why are their colors?
[12:59] <rick_h_> so not sure on why they change. The only coloring I tend to get is when someone mentions your name it lights up
[12:59] <rick_h_> so if I say shakes808 then it should 'highlight'
[13:00] <shakes808> yeah, your color went from blood red to bright red
[13:00] <shakes808> and brousch and snap-l are green
[13:00] <rick_h_> well they're nice, I'm evil
[13:00] <rick_h_> sounds about right to me
[13:00] <shakes808> HA HA
[13:00] <brousch> shakes808: what client are you using?
[13:00] <shakes808> what? Heaven doesn't want you and Hell is afraid you will take over?
[13:01] <brousch> in pidgin it asigns a random color to a person, but when my name is mentioned it makes that name bold and gold
[13:01] <shakes808> brousch: through the ubuntu teams site
[13:01] <shakes808> How do I get this in Pidgin?
[13:02] <brousch> Accounts -> Manage Accounts -> Add -> Protocol: IRC -> Username: shakes808
[13:03] <shakes808> ok
[13:03] <shakes808> server is  irc.freenode.net
[13:04] <brousch> Then when that's done, Buddies -> Add Chat -> Account: shakes808@irc.ubuntu.com -> Channel: #ubuntu-us-mi -> Group: Channels -> Autojoin: yes
[13:04] <shakes808> is this correct?
[13:04] <brousch> yeah, irc.freenode.net or irc.ubuntu.com
[13:04] <brousch> they're on the freenode network so either one works
[13:05] <shakes808> I don't have Group: Channels
[13:05] <shakes808> only groups are the ones that I set up in Pidgin
[13:05] <brousch> Make it
[13:05] <shakes808> alright
[13:05] <shakes808> was just asking if I should
[13:05] <brousch> name it whatever you want
[13:06] <shakes8081> Hello?
[13:06] <brousch> yo
[13:06] <snap-l> It's like you're a new person
[13:06] <shakes8081> :D I got it up
[13:06] <shakes8081> Thank you
[13:06] <shakes8081> :D
[13:06] <brousch> interesting hostname
[13:06] <shakes8081> lol
[13:06] <shakes8081> Auto did it since I was logged in both
[13:06] <shakes8081> lol
[13:07] <shakes8081> test
[13:07] <shakes8081> nope
[13:07] <shakes8081> lol
[13:07] <brousch> icles
[13:07] <shakes8081> going to reconnect brb
[13:08] <shakes8081> :D
[13:08] <shakes8081> still 1?
[13:08] <shakes8081> huh
[13:08] <snap-l> "On FedEx vehicle for delivery"
[13:08] <snap-l> A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[13:08] <rick_h_> snap-l: woot! now will fedex arrive before you have to leave for PC?
[13:08] <brousch> shakes8081 you need to logout of the first account
[13:08] <brousch> the one through the teams page
[13:08] <rick_h_> plus you know it's going to need a solid 8hr charge before you can use it
[13:08] <shakes8081> That window is gone
[13:09] <brousch> it must take a while to boot you out then
[13:09] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yes yes, I know. DOn't remind me.
[13:10] <shakes8081> oh well :D maybe when I log in again Monday, it will change. If not I will reset it up without being in the chat
[13:10] <shakes8081> lol
[13:10] <snap-l> rick_h_: Stop harshing my buzz. :)
[13:10] <shakes8081> snap-l: what did you get?
[13:10] <snap-l> (even though I do it to you whenever you get ap phone)
[13:10] <snap-l> shakes8081: Samsung Galaxy S II via Ting.com
[13:11] <snap-l> Ordered it at the beginning of the month, and have waited for the backorder to be fulfilled.
[13:13] <snap-l> http://ting.com/twig <- Used that for a discount
[13:13] <shakes8081> ting is a phone service?
[13:13] <snap-l> It's a reseller of Sprint
[13:13] <shakes8081> like verizon / att / sprint / metro PCS
[13:13] <shakes8081> ....
[13:13] <snap-l> idea is to pay for what you use in tiers
[13:13] <shakes8081> but sprint sucks
[13:13] <shakes8081> lol
[13:13] <shakes8081> I have sprint
[13:13] <snap-l> shakes8081: Well, we'll see
[13:13] <shakes8081> their service sucks
[13:14] <snap-l> I use the phone mostly at home / work anyway, so what I'm really looking for is a modicum of mobile bandwidth
[13:14] <snap-l> and it's month-to-month, so if it really sucks, I figure out something else.
[13:17] <jrwren> rick_h_: thanks for the gigabit wifi link :)  I'll beleive when I see it, for now, I love my gigabit wired :)
[13:20] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, I worry that it's only a single device with talk of shaping wifi signals and using multiple bands to get it
[13:20] <rick_h_> so next to impossible to get in real use, but cool none the less
[13:24] <brousch> shakes8081: if you disconnect and try it now your name will be correct. i saw your other account disconnect
[13:25] <jrwren> rick_h_: what does your tweet mean that you are allowed to review my codes?
[13:25] <rick_h_> jrwren: I passed code review mentorship in LP
[13:25] <rick_h_> so my code reviews don't have to be dbl checked/reviewed by my mentor any more and I've got my own code review day
[13:26] <jrwren> sounds like you do the process a lot different than we do.
[13:27] <rick_h_> probably, we have a day where you're OCR (on call reviewer) and any merge proposals have to be reviewed before they can land in devel and to buildbot
[13:27] <shakes8081> test
[13:27] <rick_h_> pong
[13:27] <shakes8081> huh
[13:27] <rick_h_> shakes8081:
[13:28] <shakes8081> still has the one
[13:28] <rick_h_> https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewerSchedule jrwren
[13:28] <shakes8081> I will delete and remake it brb
[13:29] <shakes8081> Test
[13:29] <shakes8081> :(
[13:29] <rick_h_> test result
[13:29] <shakes8081> result = :(
[13:29] <rick_h_> what isn't working?
[13:29] <jrwren> rick_h_: that is an interesting process.
[13:29] <jrwren> but doesn't it suck the day you are an OCR?
[13:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: it can, I did nothing but reviedws yesterday
[13:30] <jrwren> rick_h_: :(
[13:31] <shakes808> Test
[13:31] <shakes808> YAY
[13:33] <rick_h_> jrwren: love that rails twitter post
[13:34] <jrwren> rick_h_: i loled :)
[13:55] <brousch> sheat. momogr has asked me to fill in for a panelist at their next event http://www.meetup.com/MoMoGR/events/57263152/
[13:56] <rick_h_> a web meets mobile event sponsored by RIM?
[13:56] <brousch> they want me give my responsive design talk from grwebdev to a room full of non-programmers
[13:56] <rick_h_> umm, interesting
[13:56] <rick_h_> hah, nice
[13:56] <brousch> but none of the organizers saw my talk
[13:57] <brousch> it is 75% doing view source on html and css
[13:57] <brousch> extolling the cleanness of semantic.gs compared to typical css grid frameworks
[13:58] <brousch> so it comes down to can i BS about responsive web design for 10 minutes without embarrasing myself?
[13:58] <brousch> having made only a single responsive website
[14:00] <brousch> also, can i successfully stifle snickers every time they mention RIM or the playbook?
[14:00] <brousch> i failed at that when giving announcements at grwebdev
[14:06] <jrwren> wtf is responsive design?
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> make page smaller, it adjusts to mobile-friendly design
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> wayne.edu. Resize broswer to make it really narrow.
[14:08] <brousch> wayne.edu does not respond well ;)
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> not working?
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> I don't remember the size limit, looking
[14:09] <brousch> under 930px it does nothing
[14:09] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/DrItharat/index.html
[14:09] <brousch> that was what i used in my talk. looks good from 1080p to 320x480
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> 930px? I mean, make it about phone-width.
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> heh, yeah, it's not *as* responsive as that
[14:10] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: but at 930px the content gets cut off
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, it's only when it gets very narrow that it does anything
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> I didn't make it. ;)
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> (it'd be worse if I did)
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> just one I knew offhand that was "responsive"
[14:11] <brousch> so it's broken from 500 - 930px
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> email web@wayne.edu and inform them :P
[14:11] <brousch> fix it :P
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> AIN'T MY SITE OMG
[14:12] <brousch> i blame you for referring me to it
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> >:-|
[14:12] <brousch> thanks, i needed a laugh this morning
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> >:-|
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> "Your site is pathetic, laughing at it cheered me up"
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> "You may go now"
[14:13] <brousch> not the site, the conversation
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> "Your conversation is pathetic, laughing at it cheered me up"
[14:13] <brousch> crap. momogr says they want a technical talk. i think i'm in
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> ...momogr?
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> idk wat that iz
[14:14] <brousch> the group asking me to speak/panelize
[14:14] <brousch> mobile monday grand rapids. you have one in detroit
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> ah, thought it was some text-speak for "manager" of some kind
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, wearing the shirt from OneDevDay right now,actually, heh
[14:15] <brousch> and ann arbor
[14:15] <brousch> http://mobilemondaydetroit.org/
[14:15] <brousch> much more business people than i usually deal with
[14:16] <jrwren> so responsive design = media queries.
[14:16] <brousch> targets IT managers more than developers
[14:16] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: yeah, basically
[14:16] <ColonelPanic001> just "if it's small use this smallshit.css file"
[14:16] <brousch> and feature detection (modernizr)
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> I have a problem. I'm kind of sick. Sneezing a bit, nose is runny, and a little cough from that. Nothing severe, but it's there.
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> and Penguicon is this weekend.
[14:18] <brousch> jrwren: basically it is making your web site work on any size screen on any (smart) device without resorting to a different version of the site
[14:19] <brousch> your typical 960px static grid site doesn't scale up or down well
[14:19] <ColonelPanic001> except for wayne.edu
[14:19] <brousch> so you can make a large format version, a laptop version, a ipad version, a iphone version, an android version ....
[14:20] <brousch> or you can use responsive design techniques to have one flexible site adjust for all sizes
[14:27] <rick_h_> jrwren: it's using css media queries basically
[14:27] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: the answer is to go to the store, drink down two containers of nyquil, and get ready to come to my talk tomorrow
[14:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: https://bmark.us/recent and then shrink your browser around 700px wide
[14:28]  * rick_h_ is a bit ashamed, need to fix that up still
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> I have permission from rick_h_ to go to Pcon despite ilnnes
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> I'm there
[14:29] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: only after you've drugged yourself thoroughly today/tonight
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> I'm already on dayquil ;)
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> I'm not really that bad
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> just sniffly, occasional nose-blowing
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> working from home ruined my sense of social mores with that
[14:30] <ColonelPanic001> because the slightest sniffle, I'd just stay around home, it was no big deal. I mostly was a hermit anyway
[14:30] <ColonelPanic001> I no longer know what's "normal" for being sick in public
[14:30] <rick_h_> if you get me sick...there will be trouble. That's the norm
[14:31]  * ColonelPanic001 hides
[14:35] <jrwren> rick_h_: yeah, that is what I said :)  "10:16    jrwren| so responsive design = media queries."
[14:36] <jrwren> spread your illness at penguicon !
[14:40] <ColonelPanic001> I think I may have convinced a coworker to go, too
[14:40] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[14:42] <rick_h_> jrwren: ah sorry, what I get for scrollback skimming
[14:53] <jrwren> i do that all the time :)  scrollback skimming ftw!
[16:03] <shakes808> rick_h_ or snap-l: When I talked to John yesterday he mentioned the bpython stuff. In my finding it is supposed to be already with Ubuntu. How do I use/activate it?
[16:04] <rick_h_> it's not, you need to install it
[16:04] <rick_h_> have you installed/setup pip yet?
[16:04] <shakes808> no, what is it?
[16:04] <rick_h_> a way to install python packages from pypi.python.org
[16:04] <shakes808> and on the bpython site it said it was included from 9.10 on
[16:04] <rick_h_> think rubygems, or perl's thing
[16:04] <rick_h_> apt-cache search bpython
[16:04] <shakes808> never worked with ruby or perl, but I think i get it
[16:05] <rick_h_> so yea, there are debian packages for bpython
[16:05] <rick_h_> guess you can start there by installing it there
[16:05] <shakes808> Alright, I will when I have my laptop with me
[16:05] <rick_h_> http://guide.python-distribute.org/installation.html
[16:06] <rick_h_> and
[16:06] <shakes808> so, sudo apt-cache search bpython
[16:06] <rick_h_> http://pypi.python.org/pypi
[16:06] <rick_h_> you can apt-cache search without sudo
[16:06] <rick_h_> but then you'll need sudo to install
[16:06] <shakes808> alright
[16:06] <shakes808> cool
[16:06] <shakes808> ty
[16:06] <rick_h_> sudo apt-get install bpython, bpython3 maybe...not sure which one you want to be honest
[16:07] <shakes808>  is there doc with the diffs?
[16:07] <rick_h_> apt-cache show bpython
[16:07] <rick_h_> run that for each package
[16:08] <shakes808> ok
[16:08] <shakes808> so search and then show and it will let me know what is there and description for them
[16:08] <rick_h_> yea, you can see the package details with apt-cache show
[16:09] <shakes808> cooll
[16:10] <shakes808> ty
[17:26] <rick_h_> woot http://travis-ci.org/#!/mitechie/bookie_parser
[17:39] <brousch> what is that?
[17:41] <rick_h_> travisci running unit tests for the readable.bmark.us app
[17:41] <brousch> thank you mr obvious
[17:42] <rick_h_> ok, well rephrase your question in some way I can tell which part you're unsure of :P
[17:42] <brousch> too late. i already googled it
[17:42] <rick_h_> ok, works for me :)
[17:42] <brousch> Travis CI A hosted continuous integration service for the open source community.
[17:42] <rick_h_> yep
[17:43] <rick_h_> been all over the place the last several months
[17:57] <brousch> jrwren: http://bradfrostweb.com/blog/web/responsive-web-design-missing-the-point/
[18:01] <snap-l> Yay, phone showed up
[18:12] <rick_h_> snap-l: awesome, congrats!
[18:14] <shakes808> snap-l: what phone did  you get?
[18:52] <jcastro> anyone not doing anything I could use some editing/fixing up help on askubuntu
[18:53] <jcastro> it's friday now ... SO IT IS ON
[18:55] <rick_h_> sorry call in 5min and then off to penguicon to prep for my talk
[19:07] <brousch> I'm too busy creating new, mistake-filled, badly-worded questions to help clean up old ones
[20:26] <shakes808> have a good weekend all.
[20:27] <greg-g> jcastro: some days, I wish I could
[20:29] <jcastro> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3900224
[20:29] <jcastro> this is awesome
[20:30] <greg-g> little bobby tables
[22:22] <ColonelPanic002> i have arrived at penguicon to spread disease and sickness.
[22:22] <ColonelPanic002> i even came to rick's talk to spread it here, since he gave me permission to go.
[22:23] <ColonelPanic002> that'll teach him.