[00:02] <knome> tiopere_2, it worked ? :)
[00:13] <tiopere_2> it still running
[00:13] <knome> okay :)
[00:13] <tiopere_2> 7 minutes left
[00:13] <tiopere_2> slow internet velocity
[00:14] <drc> ah...must be using the patented M$ Time Counting algorhythm
[00:14] <knome> happens to the best of us sometimes :)
[00:22] <tiopere_2> instaling upgrades
[00:22] <knome> tiopere_2, great :)
[00:22] <tiopere_2> mate, I think we (you) fixed the error
[00:27] <tiopere_2> next time I think I'll install from CD, not doing an upgrade cause it takes a long
[00:28] <tiopere_2> now I'm going to bed
[00:29] <tiopere_2> I own you a pair of beers
[00:29] <knome> tiopere_2, hehe, np, enjoy! :)
[00:30]  * knome has had a "few" beers today already
[00:31] <malv> xfce meeds a better "mouse" icon
[00:31] <malv> 3 people have already asked me what that icon is supposed to be
[00:32] <tiopere_2> yeah, next day you tell me how to make your work online games (for children)
[00:32] <tiopere_2> install the flashplayer and so
[00:32] <knome> malv, the xubuntu logo?
[00:32] <malv> the start button logo
[00:32] <tiopere_2> with that I think I can force my children to go xubuntu and to left windows
[00:32] <malv> doesn't really look like a mouse
[00:33] <tiopere_2> it's my dream
[00:33] <knome> malv, mmhm, well, the logo done 2 years ago... some people thought that was a rat too
[00:33] <knome> malv, so i don't know what there is to do :)
[00:34] <tiopere_2> ok folks, thanks for all, see you soon
[00:34] <knome> malv, proposals welcome at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel ;)
[00:34] <knome> tiopere_2, np! have fun! :)
[00:34] <tiopere_2> tkns
[00:34] <tiopere_2> bye
[00:34] <malv> i will write a 3 page angry rant
[00:35] <knome> malv, please don't...
[00:35] <malv> is it the xfce logo or the xubuntu logo?
[00:35] <knome> malv, but constructive criticism is welcome
[00:35] <knome> malv, it's *based* on the xfce logo, but that is the xubuntu logo
[00:36] <malv> should be a circle of mice
[00:36] <knome> hmm.
[00:36] <knome> well, as i said, proposals are welcome
[00:37] <ochosi> malv: a circle of mice in 16x16px? :)
[00:37] <malv> use the pixels sparingly
[00:38] <knome> malv, proposals are welcome... :)=
[00:49] <DinoMuffin> So does anyone know what happened to all the appearance styles? There seems to be half as many in 12.04
[00:49] <knome> DinoMuffin, we did some cleanup
[00:49] <DinoMuffin> oh
[00:50] <knome> DinoMuffin, you can re-enable the styles by installing xfce4-themes or so
[00:50] <DinoMuffin> are they still compatible if i re install them?
[00:50] <knome> well
[00:50] <DinoMuffin> oh ok
[00:50] <knome> they won't work too well with gtk3
[00:50] <malv> how does xubuntu compare to the xfce version of mint?
[00:50] <knome> DinoMuffin, only greybird (the default) will work *well* with gtk3 apps :)
[00:51] <DinoMuffin> ok, thanks :)
[00:52] <knome> np
[00:52] <knome> malv, no idea
[00:52] <knome> malv, haven't followed what linux mint does
[00:53] <drc> malv: LM is light and green while Xubuntu is dark and grey
[01:00]  * knome giggles
[01:04]  * drc tells only the truth
[01:05] <drc> They are both debian based (directly or once removed).
[01:05] <knome> ...and nothing but the truth
[01:05] <drc> They both have software centers/managers.
[01:05] <drc> They are both based off XFCE 4.8.
[01:06] <drc> There are only a few minor differences in the default apps.
[01:07] <drc> The major difference that I can see is that LM claim(ed) that LMDE was a rolling release, and then found their users we whinning about "breakages" so the stopped that.
[01:07] <knome> probably.
[01:08] <knome> otoh, they are probably *really* different from each other :)
[01:08] <jdtm_> why dosen't thunar let you mark files as executable in the properties window =[
[01:10] <knome> not yet implemented...
[01:10] <knome> 'chmod +x file' though, not too hard
[01:10]  * drc wonders if knome can tell he once had great hopes for LMDE-XFCE ?
[01:11] <jdtm_> just did chmod -x and it still complains that it isnt marked as executable
[01:12] <knome> jdtm_, PLUS (+) x
[01:12] <jdtm_> ....*facepalm*
[01:12] <jdtm_> dat feel
[01:12] <drc> barkeep, next round is on jdtm :)
[01:12] <Killuacba> Hi, can anyone helpme whit a doubt?.... its true that i cant install linux on my laptop cause ive Ati Radeon GPU?
[01:12] <knome> and i thought *I* was the one who was drunk
[01:13] <knome> Killuacba, yup!
[01:13] <knome> Killuacba, you should search "your GPU" + linuf in google first, though
[01:13] <Killuacba> sht T_T... i really wanna to try ubuntu xD
[01:14] <knome> Killuacba, to see if the 3d support is available :)
[01:14] <knome> Killuacba, the easy way is to test if the xubuntu live cd works with your pc :)
[01:14] <Killuacba> im so newbie... and i wanna to try to get more performance for my old lap xD
[01:14] <knome> Killuacba, if that works, you'll be fine
[01:14] <Killuacba> live works.... but when i try to instal... crashed (freezes)
[01:15] <Killuacba> ill try whit the windows instaler and the cd
[01:15] <knome> Killuacba, weird
[01:15] <knome> Killuacba, wubi will install xubuntu *inside* your windows
[01:15] <Killuacba> yes, thats why i download the cd
[01:16] <knome> Killuacba, so that's not a permanent choice, but a good test nevertheless
[01:16] <Killuacba> and when is intalling... freezes
[01:16] <Killuacba> the lap stop all work... not read HDD even cd-rom
[01:37] <k_sze> It appears that my box restarted itself last night. It couldn't have been a software update because it wasn't even connected to the Internet at that time. Which log is the likely place to contain the reason of the restart?
[01:58] <xubuntu580> what are min requirements for xubuntu 12.4
[01:58] <knome> xubuntu580, with 512MB ram, you'll be rather fine
[01:58] <xubuntu580> will 950 mhz processor work
[01:59] <knome> xubuntu580, probably, but RAM decides the most
[01:59] <xubuntu580> i have 512mb
[01:59] <knome> xubuntu580, should be okay
[02:31] <ChildBurn> alguien habla español?
[02:32] <holstein> ChildBurn: /join #xubuntu-es :)
[02:34] <ChildBurn> thanks holstein
[02:34] <holstein> ChildBurn: anytime :)
[02:35] <ChildBurn> somebody know  about this problem that I have with a repository
[02:35] <holstein> ChildBurn: which.. is it a PPA
[02:35] <ChildBurn> apt-get update shows me this :    W: Imposible obtener http://ppa.launchpad.net/alexmurray/indicator-sensors/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[02:36] <ChildBurn> yes it's a ppa
[02:36] <holstein> ChildBurn: could be a dead PPA..i would contact the maintainer
[02:36] <holstein> i would try using purge ppa to get back to "normal"
[02:37] <ChildBurn> i tried to put a ppa that works in 11.10 but in 12.04 it appears it doesnt work
[02:37] <ChildBurn> my english is bad sorry ^^
[02:38] <holstein> ChildBurn: it doesnt have to... you'll need to ask the maintaner for 12.04 support.. or just grab the .deb's out and try them
[02:38] <ChildBurn> what command exactly do i have to use to purge ppa
[02:38] <ChildBurn> sudo purge ppa only?
[02:39] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/how-to-use-launchpad-ppa-add-remove.html
[02:39] <holstein> sudo ppa-purge ppa:someppa/ppa
[02:40] <ChildBurn> thanks holstein i'll watch that
[02:42] <ChildBurn> it appears that work.. thanks holstein
[02:42] <ChildBurn> ppa-purge script doesn't work
[02:42] <holstein> you might need to install ppa-purge
[02:42] <ChildBurn> in others ppa's that work but in this it doesnt work
[02:42] <ChildBurn> yes i installed it
[02:43] <holstein> without seeing some error messages.. i dont know what the issue is
[02:43] <holstein> but if its working, its working... enjoy!
[02:43] <ChildBurn> but --remove works.. thank you very much holstein
[02:43] <ChildBurn> now all's right
[02:44] <ChildBurn> again sorry my bad english ^
[02:44] <ChildBurn> ^^
[02:44] <holstein> ChildBurn: no worries
[02:45] <ChildBurn> well i'm leaving, thank you very mucho for the help..
[02:45] <ChildBurn> much, sorry
[02:46] <ChildBurn> i never used IRC it's great
[03:45] <xubuntu795> greeting,,,I am on xubuntu 1204 release running live, install minitube, installed ok however, I do not have video in many tubes.. can anyone help?
[03:45] <holstein> i would try the chrome browser
[03:46] <holstein> or another browser in general... if some videos play and others dont, maybe its a problem with the content
[03:47] <xubuntu795> I don't think it is content, cos they can play in some other distros on the same tubes
[03:47] <holstein> cool.. its likely a flash issue anyways
[03:50] <f0x> how do i setup default master channel of sound mixer in 12.04
[03:50] <f0x> because if i press increase volume it increases hdmi
[03:55] <n2diy_> was 12.04 released?
[03:55] <Unit193> Yeah.
[04:55] <redact3d> anyone with compiz installed and the magic_lamp minimize animation that no longer works?
[04:55] <redact3d> after 12.04
[05:29] <ronsonol> What is the means to upgrade from 12.04 beta to 12.04 final and keep previous software selections intact?
[05:31] <ronsonol> I was thinking there was an option from the install disc, but not seeing it immediately.
[06:40] <Optichip> lots of crash reports today?
[06:42] <Artemis3> just this while i try to upgrade 11.10 into 12.04: 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend libtinfo5 for libncurses5, probably a dependency cycle.'
[06:42] <Artemis3> perhaps its better to stay with 11.10 a while...
[06:42] <Optichip> I've had about 10 crashes today
[06:43] <Optichip> but it's been running pretty good since upgrading driver and installing a few apps that have probably fixed a few issues.
[06:43] <Artemis3> hmm
[06:44] <Optichip> looking sweet now though :)
[06:44] <Artemis3> how are these new shortcuts?
[06:44] <Optichip> http://i.imgur.com/pDbef.jpg
[06:45] <Artemis3> oh lol
[06:45] <Artemis3> so macosish did you used compiz with the expose thing? ;)
[06:46] <Optichip> cairo dock
[06:47] <Artemis3> im happy with a single (fat) vertical panel and the few shortcuts i need
[07:29] <Wizard> hi
[07:50] <Marzata> in 12.04 keyboard layouts somehow are broken or?
[07:55] <astraljava> Marzata: What makes you say that?
[07:56] <astraljava> This close to release, you can be fairly certain that if we knew about it, but didn't have time to fix it, it'd be mentioned in the Release Notes.
[07:57] <Unit193> The default keybinds changed, there was something in the notes about it too.
[07:57] <Marzata> just installed clean 12.04. Added keyboard layouts to the panel. All seems ok like 11.10. But I can't switch the layouts.
[08:05] <astraljava> Hmm... interesting. I'm in the middle of something here, but I can fire up a session in Parallels in about 20 minutes. Let me get back to you on that.
[08:19] <astraljava> Marzata: Well, I just added another layout, and then added the plugin to the panel, and clicking on the flag changes between them. How is it behaving on you?
[08:19] <Marzata> huh
[08:20] <Marzata> it does not respond on clicking
[08:20] <Marzata> astraljava: in this in 12.04?
[08:21] <astraljava> Yes.
[08:22] <Marzata> it is not clickable here
[08:23] <Marzata> also when use the button Left Win - same
[08:23] <astraljava> Marzata: Can you take a screenshot of the Properties. please?
[08:24] <Marzata> yes, but properties work only once, on the 2nd attempt they are disabled.
[08:28] <Marzata> astraljava: can you receive it?
[08:29] <astraljava> No, please imagebin it.
[08:32] <Marzata> astraljava: http://imagebin.org/209948
[08:33] <Wizard> Do you know how long will 10.04 be supported?
[08:33] <astraljava> Desktop 3 years, server 5.
[08:33] <astraljava> Oh, sorry, Xubuntu? I'm not sure.
[08:36] <astraljava> Marzata: Well, I have it almost exactly like you, only difference is the layouts used, and it works for me.
[08:36] <astraljava> I will have to dig up some more info later on how to triage that particular problem.
[08:36] <Marzata> ok thanks
[08:39] <Wizard> astraljava, thanks
[08:41] <astraljava> Wizard: http://xubuntu.org/news/10-04-release/ doesn't say either.
[08:41] <Wizard> I just don't want to update my laptop at work
[08:43] <astraljava> Wizard: Well most of the archive packages get updates another year still. Some for three (if they fall under the server package set), but not sure about the Xubuntu-only related.
[09:01] <xubuntu357> ciao a tutti
[09:16] <bepebe> is there a network proxy gui, like the one in ubuntu. I have set /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/wgetrc with my proxy settings manually, but cannot seem to download Additional Drivers
[09:23] <Marzata> ntp install craches from the menu
[09:26] <dkrotx> bepebe, maybe add *_proxy in /etc/environment to make 'em system-wide?
[09:27] <bepebe> dkrotx, what do you exactly mean *_proxy, I am in /etc/enviroment now, what should I be typing?
[09:27] <dkrotx> http_proxy=...; just like as in wgetrc
[09:28] <bepebe> its blank at the moment, so I'll just add ftp_proxy, http_proxy and https_proxy and that should work ?
[09:31] <dkrotx> bepebe, just try it. I never did this way since I use no proxy. BTW, you have to reboot/reinit after that.
[09:31] <bepebe> cheers dkrotx, will give it a try, much appreciated.
[09:35] <bepebe> dkrotx, seems to be working, ever so slowly (no doubt due to the newest release) thank you ever so much!
[09:38] <DarMar79> Can someone help with adding folders to panels in xubuntu 12.04? how can i do that :)
[09:39] <DarMar79> for example my downloads folder
[09:42] <Sysi> add launcher for file manager, edit it to have directory you want as working directory, or "thunar /path/to/" as executed command
[09:43] <DarMar79> ok,thanks ;)
[09:49] <DarMar79> Yeah! works great...thanks again :)
[11:11] <Alan> Ok, so this is weird... there's a python-distribute-doc but no python-distribute?
[11:12] <Shayan> hi
[11:12] <Shayan> i need some help
[11:12] <Alan> or, is python-setuptools now using distribute instead because they're API compatible?
[11:12] <Shayan> how do i install software from tar.gz
[11:13] <Shayan> http://www.ptcl.com.pk/uploads/linux%20SW.zip
[11:13] <Shayan> this is what i am trying to install
[11:13] <Shayan> how do i install it
[11:13] <Shayan> ???
[11:15] <Shayan> is anyone here?
[11:16] <Shayan> Y U NO RESPOND
[11:17] <knome> !patience
[11:17] <Shayan> please help
[11:17] <Shayan> ok
[11:17] <Shayan> thanks
[11:17] <Shayan> http://www.ptcl.com.pk/uploads/linux%20SW.zip
[11:18] <Shayan> here's the link try it on your own pc
[11:21] <knome> Shayan, please refer to the install guide in the package
[11:23] <Alan> what knome said
[11:24] <Alan> there's a file in there with a name that starts "install user guide"
[11:29] <Shayan> knome:the instal guide doesn't work i tried it that's why i am here
[11:29] <Shayan> when i run it nothing happens
[11:31] <astraljava> Maybe you should talk to the authors of that software and let them know why their instructions fail?
[11:31] <Shayan> ok i will try but thier CHINESE
[11:37] <xubuntu976> Hi can anyone tell me why xubuntu 12.04 LTS (according to the website) only has 3 years support while ubuntu 12.04 has 5 years?
[11:44] <v1Ns> hi, as  kbdleds  made it  to 12.04  ?
[11:44] <v1Ns> im searching for it
[11:48] <astraljava> xubuntu976: Because it's totally community-supported. We don't have enough manpower to do what Ubuntu does.
[11:49] <astraljava> v1Ns: Doesn't look like it.
[11:52] <v1Ns> :(
[11:52] <v1Ns> it  takes  300mb of  libs  to compile it...
[11:52] <v1Ns> i have  a wireless KB  with  no  leds on it..
[11:53] <v1Ns> oh well
[11:53]  * v1Ns is out
[11:53] <bepebe> do you get leds on a wireless kb ?
[11:53] <v1Ns> i dont think so
[11:53] <v1Ns> would eat the battery
[11:53] <bepebe> yeah
[11:54] <bepebe> my receiver has the leds on it
[11:54] <v1Ns> dont start  that
[11:54] <v1Ns> i dont
[11:54] <bepebe> ^__^
[11:54] <v1Ns> ciao
[12:59] <Marzata> any help to make xkb keyboard plugin work?
[13:00] <Marzata> I just installed it on VB and it worked. But on my thinkpad laptop simply doesn't work.
[13:01] <Marzata> I did reinstall it even.
[13:30] <nishttal2> Hi everyone.. i just installed Xubuntu 12.04, I have 3 monitors.. only one of them has the tray.. ther other two seem greyed out and have the same desktop icons as the first one
[13:30] <nishttal2> how can i fix this?
[13:31] <Wizard> Tray?
[13:31] <nishttal2> i mean.. the top bar
[13:32] <nishttal2> where i can drop launchers .. i guess its called panel?
[13:32] <Wizard> Ah, ok. Strange.. Is the bottom panel visible?
[13:32] <nishttal2> actually.. i dont see a bottom in any of my 3 monitors
[13:33] <Wizard> Ah, maybe 12.04 doesn't have bottom panel anymore.
[13:33] <astraljava> nishttal2: Maybe install arandr or grandr, and have a go with that? Multi-monitor setups can be tricky.
[13:33] <nishttal2> you know what.. if i hover over the bottom.. a mac os like tray pops up
[13:34] <astraljava> nishttal2: Yeah, that's the dock.
[13:34] <nishttal2> but only on the 1st monitor (which has a top panel)... nothing on the other 2 monitors
[13:34] <Wizard> That's a bottom panel. That is default. Go to panel options and select "strech to other displays" or something like this.
[13:35] <nishttal2> so I have 2 X-screens setup.. Screen 0 is the 1st monitor and Screen 1 has twinview over the other 2 monitors
[13:35] <nishttal2> how can I make Screen 1 the primary for Xubuntu
[13:39] <donavan01> can anyone tell me how I apply themes I can download from xfce-look.org?  the has nothing in it and i can find a how to on the site
[13:40] <nishttal2> astraljava, Wizard there is something wrong with the window manager as well.. please see the http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ljj0yc&s=6
[13:41] <nishttal2> and http://i46.tinypic.com/2jaf984.png for the 2nd screen
[13:41] <nishttal2> notice how the title is blurry on the 1st one
[13:42] <Wizard> donavan01, You move theme direcotry (containing gtkrc file) to ~/.themes or /usr/share/themes
[13:42] <Wizard> nishttal2, I suggest using twin view for all monitors.
[13:43] <donavan01> Wizard thank you ... i figured it was easy but I didnt know what to do
[13:43] <Wizard> You are welcome, donavan01.
[13:43] <nishttal2> Wizard, i had the same setup with Ubuntu 10.10 and I used it for 2+yrs
[13:43] <Wizard> Hmm.
[13:43] <nishttal2> Wizard, used to that now
[13:43] <frombenny> why a shortcut Super+T for the Terminal instead of Ctrl+Alt+T in Ubuntu or Lubuntu ? Super+T in Unity is for trash !
[13:49] <donavan01> is there a way to copy files from within thunar without having to open it with SUDO
[13:51] <forestpiskie> donavan01: if you're using it to move root owned things then it needs root rights, shouldn't need root rights other than that and if you're opening a gui app with root better to use gksudo I believe
[13:52] <donavan01> well im just trying to move a theme into the /usr/share/themes directory but its having none of that
[13:53] <forestpiskie> gksudo thunar then or do it from a terminal
[13:53] <Wizard> Yes, donavan01, but you can put that in ~/.themes
[13:53] <Wizard> Which I do.
[13:53] <donavan01> by ~/ what do you mean ... my home directory?
[13:53] <forestpiskie> yea
[13:53] <Wizard> Yes, donavan01.
[13:54] <donavan01> ok thats what I thought
[13:54] <Wizard> nishttal2, Did you use xfce on Ubuntu 10.10 with that setup?
[13:55] <Wizard> Seems not. :)
[13:55] <forestpiskie> :)
[13:56] <donavan01> so uhmm I dont have  ~/.themes
[13:56] <frombenny> Ctrl+H to see hidden folders
[13:57] <Wizard> donavan01, If you don't have it - create it :)
[13:57] <donavan01> yeah I told it to show hidden
[13:57] <donavan01> wizard didnt know if that would work
[13:58] <Wizard> Why so?
[13:58] <donavan01> just didnt know ... still a noob in linux wasnt sure if it would look there without me telling it
[13:59] <nmittal> Wizard, no i was using whatever Ubuntu 10.10 came with.. this is the first time I am trying Xubuntu.. bcoz i dont like Unity or Gnome3
[14:03] <nmittal> Wizard, is there no way to make Screen 1 as primary and not Screen 0
[14:04] <Wizard> I understand. XFCE may have problems with xinerama.
[14:04] <Wizard> I don't know how to set main screen, maybe grandr has such option.
[14:04] <Wizard> I'm gonna check.
[14:04] <nmittal> could i use something other than XFCE on Xubuntu
[14:04] <nmittal> or does it then defeat the purpose
[14:05] <nmittal> Unable to locate package grandr
[14:05] <holstein> you can install whatever desktop you want in ubuntu
[14:05] <koegs> i prefer arandr
[14:05]  * holstein +1 for arandr
[14:05] <forestpiskie> I thought there was Wizard - got 2 monitors here
[14:05] <forestpiskie> +1 from me too
[14:07] <nmittal> when i start arandr it just shows me the current xscreen.. my 3rd monitor runs a different xscreen
[14:07] <dkrotx> nmittal, I had the same problem with my Nvidia card; Even if I select "Make Primary" in Nvidia Server Setting, it just had no sence. Then I detached display I want to make *secondary*, restarted X, attached it back and restarted X server again. And now it's fine.
[14:08] <Wizard> I also have 2 monitors
[14:08] <nmittal> Wizard, i have 4
[14:08] <nmittal> Wizard, 3
[14:08] <Wizard> LOL
[14:08] <dkrotx> )
[14:08] <holstein> Myrtti: maybe take a minute to explore arandr.. make sure you look under the menu options
[14:08] <Wizard> Ok, I have to go home. See you :)
[14:08] <Wizard> And I agree, arandr is better, thanks holstein
[14:09] <Myrtti> holstein: huhwhat?
[14:09] <nmittal> holstein, there is nothing that looks relevant under the menu options
[14:09] <nmittal> Wizard, thanks for your help.. later
[14:09] <nmittal> dkrotx, detach?? unplug?
[14:09] <holstein> Myrtti: that was a typo pinging you... sorry :)
[14:10] <dkrotx> nmittal, yea, unplug )
[14:10] <nmittal> dkrotx, ok worth a try
[14:10] <nmittal> dkrotx, do you use compiz at all?
[14:10] <koegs> nmittal: what graphics-card are u using?
[14:10] <holstein> nmittal: under "outputs", if you dont see the graphics card outputs there, you might explore 3rd party drivers and/or other kernel versions
[14:10] <nmittal> koegs, Nvidia quadro 420
[14:11] <dkrotx> nmittal, afaik - no.
[14:11] <koegs> nmittal: did you use nvidia-settings for configuration?
[14:11] <nmittal> koegs, yes
[14:12] <koegs> should be some option in the nvidia-settings, i think
[14:12] <nmittal> koegs, so I have 2 X-screens setup.. Screen 0 is the 1st monitor and Screen 1 has twinview over the other 2 monitors
[14:12] <koegs> why 2 X?
[14:13] <nmittal> i want 4 desktops/workspaces on 1 screen and 1 on the other
[14:13] <nmittal> thats how i've always had it setup on ubuntu 10.10
[14:13] <koegs> hm, ok, got no clue
[14:15] <acalbaza> i've update to 12.04 lts, do i need to do anything special to update xfce?
[14:22] <drc> acalbaza: assuming you had xubuntu/xfce installed before...no.
[14:23] <acalbaza> drc: thanks
[14:26] <drc> acalbaza: For what it's worth, XFCE 4.10 is/was (?) due to be released tomorrow :)
[14:26] <acalbaza> drc: so i should look to update the xfce pacakge tomorrow
[14:27] <drc> I wouldn't
[14:28] <acalbaza> no?
[14:28] <baizon> is it really tomorrow?
[14:28] <drc> I doubt seriously that the Xubuntu team will have even a ppa ready that quickly.
[14:28] <acalbaza> ahh
[14:28] <baizon> drc: there is a ppa already :D
[14:28] <drc> http://www.xfce.org/ says "...final 4.10 release which is set to be pushed out to the world on April 28th, 2012."
[14:29] <Alan> is it possible to actually make use of gnome-keyring-daemon properly in Xubuntu?  you don't get any of the nice things that GNOME seems to get from it, and i notice in auth.log you get "couldn't set environment variable in session: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files"
[14:29] <baizon> drc: yes indeed just saw it
[14:33] <drc> baizon: a ppa, huh?
[14:33] <Mike-Linux-NL> Hello everyone :)
[14:34] <baizon> drc: https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa
[14:34] <baizon> its currently pre2
[14:34] <Mike-Linux-NL> I installed Xubuntu 12.04 LTS yesterday, and i must say i am pleased! i finally have a desktop enviroment so i can escape Unity and Gnome3 Shell
[14:34] <baizon> but i would recommend this one
[14:34] <baizon> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[14:35] <baizon> nice to hear Mike-Linux-NL :)
[14:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> i do have a small problem tho
[14:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> i installed rhytmbox as my default audio player, and when i use my laptops hotkeys to change or mute volume, the animation works, but the volume wont change
[14:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> same in vlc and totem, wich i also installed...
[14:37] <Mike-Linux-NL> i know the hotkeys work. but the volume control underneath is not working... only with the mouse...
[14:37] <baizon> did it work wirk xubuntu 11.10?
[14:37] <baizon> with*
[14:37] <drc> Mike-Linux-NL: Check to see if xfce4-volumed is installed
[14:38] <r3dl0c> Has anyone seen problems with users who are authenticated through winbind not being able to access the root window?
[14:38] <Mike-Linux-NL> drc: its installed....
[14:38] <Mike-Linux-NL> heres a screenie of my desktop: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4260461/Screenshots/Xubuntu-Precise.jpg
[14:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> xubuntu with ambiance and made it look like gnome2 :)
[14:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> i even was able to flip my webcam using a script for libv4l, and that works... now the volume control buttons need to be fixed
[14:39] <baizon> is it cairo dock?
[14:39] <drc> I was going to say, that looks like gnome2 :)
[14:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> no, docky
[14:40] <baizon> ok
[14:40] <Mike-Linux-NL> ]yerah well, i dont like the default xfce look.... they should have made it with ambiance and radiance by default to blend in the ubuntu family
[14:41] <baizon> Mike-Linux-NL: i agree with that :)
[14:41] <Mike-Linux-NL> so i uninstalled most xfce apps, and replaced them with the gnome and kde apps i use
[14:41] <drc> heavens NO!
[14:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> i use xfce as a the base to drive my apps
[14:42] <drc> I don't understand why use xubuntu if you totally change the look and apps, that's just ubuntu?
[14:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> so i dont neeed to use unity or gnome3 shell that is forced down our throats...
[14:43] <Mike-Linux-NL> now i run xfce and it looks and feels like the gnome2 that i always use
[14:43] <bepebe> Mike-Linux-NL, what theme you got, looks a hash-up of a couple?
[14:43] <Mike-Linux-NL> its ambiance
[14:43] <drc> So...why not use MATE?
[14:43] <Mike-Linux-NL> cause MATE is not complete and immature for now
[14:43] <Mike-Linux-NL> i also tried cinnamon
[14:43] <drc> ok
[14:43] <baizon> cinnamon is windows 7 like
[14:44] <baizon> not gnome 2
[14:44] <dekkz> looks more like a mish mash which always gives problems
[14:44] <Mike-Linux-NL> yeah but yoy have a regular menu
[14:44] <Mike-Linux-NL> i HATE dash
[14:44] <Mike-Linux-NL> my laptop is not a tablet!
[14:44] <drc> Mike-Linux-NL: Have you looked at SalixOS with MATE?
[14:44] <baizon> tablet = gnome shell
[14:44] <baizon> i like unity :)
[14:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> what ubuntu is doing with unity and Gnome3 is what windows is doing with windows 8
[14:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> i was so NOT looking forward to the 12.04 release...
[14:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> cause it means i have to use it.. and thats why i tried out Xubuntu and altered it to my needs
[14:46] <koegs> guys, #xubuntu-offtopic does exist :)
[14:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> btw, is there a possibillity to install unity-greeter without the 128mb of extra dependancies?
[14:50] <bepebe> Mike-Linux-NL, was it a gtk theme or an xfce theme
[14:52] <Mike-Linux-NL> well, at first i tried a ppa. but it messed up the look of gnome apps like nautilus. white text on white background. then i found a gtk/xfce theme with support for xfwm on gnome look. so installed that, and then i installed the light-themes package from the repo. now it works like a charm. i can give you the tar.gz file for the theme?
[14:52] <Mike-Linux-NL> this is the theme i used: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4260461/141027-Ubuntu%20Ambiance%20for%20XFCE.tar.gz
[14:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> install thaat first, then the light-themes package from the ubuntu repository and then add the faenza ppa if you want...
[14:56] <autif> This seems to be new in precise - I am installing using sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2-dev, then I get a dependency error, The following packages have unmet dependencies: libsdl-image1.2-dev : Depends: libjpeg-dev, Depends: libtiff4-dev but it is not going to be installed. I have done apt-get clean all && apt-get update - What now?
[15:03] <Mike-Linux-NL> no one knows how to fix my sound control?
[15:04] <autif> !patience
[15:07] <Mike-Linux-NL> i think i should submit it as a bug
[15:09] <Mike-Linux-NL> i am checking the pulse packages and here is something that i notice...
[15:09] <Mike-Linux-NL> there are 2 packeges who are similar
[15:10] <Mike-Linux-NL> indicator-sound  and indicator-sound-gtk
[15:10] <Mike-Linux-NL> could it be that it is operating the indicator-sound but NOT the indicator-sound-gtk ?
[15:13] <Mike-Linux-NL_> ok, i logged off, and back on, and now the volume control is working again. Is there a log file i could check to see what made it crash?
[15:15] <Mike-Linux-NL_> test
[15:25] <autif> may be in /var/log/syslog
[15:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> thank you :)
[15:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> i was checking /var/log/messages first, but it didnt exist
[15:27] <autif> also /var/log/dmesg.0 is the last kernel log - so it will have all kernel messages form the previous boot
[15:28] <Tyler> Hello. Can I ask for some help, please?
[15:29] <Wizard> Hi Tyler, do not ask to ask, just ask. :)
[15:33] <nmittal> ok i am replacing my Nvidia card with a kickass AMD card (far too many issues with nvidia+linux)...
[15:33] <nmittal> question.. should i look forward to a decent multimonitor setup with xubunutu or try unity or gnome3?
[15:33] <nmittal> i dont like unity or gnome3.. but do need multimonitors to work properly
[15:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> nmittal: i found this: http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/12/how-to-dual-monitor-setup-on-xfce.html
[15:37] <nmittal> Mike-Linux-NL, thanks
[15:37] <Mike-Linux-NL> i would stick to Nvidia tho.
[15:38] <Mike-Linux-NL> install the nvidia-settings, so you can use Xinerama
[15:38] <Mike-Linux-NL> combine two screens to 1 desktop
[15:38] <Mike-Linux-NL> yet you can fullscreen an app on each screen seperatly
[15:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> as far as i know ati does not support that feature?
[15:39] <donavan01> Is there some sort of theme manager that will take care of downloading and installing themes from some repo or am i stuck going through a long list one by one hoping they work when installed and then trying to find all the different icon packs... I get that the whole its better for customizing but its also a pain
[15:41] <Mike-Linux-NL> donavan01: there is no theme changer app available. i think there was before, but i couldnt find one now either. only thing to do is downloading the tar.gz theme files and extract them into .themes into your home directory or as root (system wide) in /usr/share/themes
[15:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> its too bad tho, that after all these years there still isnt a "drag&drop" feature in XFCE like there was on regular gnome
[15:43] <Alan> xubuntu's gnome-keyring handling is so broken :|
[15:44] <donavan01> Mike-Linux-NL .... pitty ... you would think that with all the developers out there someone would realize its a giant pain doing it this way and eiher make something like a code repo for themes
[15:44] <dekkz> developers dont care about themes
[15:44] <donavan01> some do
[15:44] <dekkz> no users do
[15:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> donavan01: well i think its because XFCE is not a popular desktop enviroment, so nobody cared. However, Since XFCE is a very good choice to avoid Unity and gnome3 shell, i hope its going to change
[15:45] <Wizard> I am a developer and I care about themes
[15:46] <Wizard> Default xubuntu theme is really nice and I like it :)
[15:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> Well Wizard , make the theme changer app! :)
[15:46] <donavan01> thank you wizard for making my point :)
[15:46] <Wizard> Hmm.. If xubuntu-look.org has some api.. why not?
[15:46] <Sysi> there's some theme changer app in existance, but I think it's abit bugsy
[15:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> in the meantime, here's a wiki how to change/install themes in XFCE: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[15:47] <Sysi> it's available in xfce-look.org
[15:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> Wizard: KDE does that already? they implemented kde-look.org in thier theme changer
[15:48] <Mike-Linux-NL> so you can download wallpapers, color schemes and themes from the desktop itself
[15:48] <Wizard> Ah, right.
[15:48] <Wizard> It's a very nice feature for virus downloading :)
[15:48] <donavan01> thats a nice touch on KDE's part
[15:49] <Sysi> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/?content=149647
[15:49] <Wizard> what an awfull theme :D
[15:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> the app could be usefull tho
[15:50] <Sysi> I could use more grey/white theme.. if I found one as bugfree one as greybird
[15:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> can somebody make a deb out of it?
[15:50] <tuples_> running the upgrade now, can someone make my internet connection faster? :p
[15:51] <donavan01> tuples
[15:51] <donavan01> woops
[15:51]  * Wizard casts turn to dust on tuples' connection.
[15:51] <Sysi> clean install takes like half an hour, quick setting up and good to go :P
[15:52] <donavan01> we will all think real hard about your connection maybe it will make it seem faster for you
[15:52] <donavan01> sysi ... nice find Im going to give it a go
[15:52] <Sysi> you know why geeks drink so much coffee right? :P
[15:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> i had 3 mugs of coffee in the past hours...
[15:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> now i had too much
[15:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> lol
[15:54] <Sysi> now I shall download 12.04 and maybe enlarge my root partition
[15:54] <donavan01> you know I think I might be the only geek out there that doesnt like coffee
[15:54] <Sysi> energy drinks?
[15:55] <Mike-Linux-NL> donavan01: you probably sleep a lot then :P
[15:55] <Wizard> I don't drink coffee and energy drinks.
[15:56] <Wizard> And definitely I'm a geek.
[15:56] <Sysi> (oh, we're going offtopic)
[15:58] <Sysi> cdimage.ubuntu.com feels still slow, torrent ♥
[16:16] <INF_Rhys> Hi there!
[16:19] <caencel> hello
[16:21] <caencel> i'm installing Xubuntu, while completes the installation i decided to give it a try here, pretty good so far, but the wizard's composition shadow left a gray background, that somehow broken the look of the wizard
[16:23] <caencel> you aren't quite chatty, right?
[16:24] <caencel> oh well, the average support i guess, the wizard just finished so i'm leaving, have a good day
[16:32] <drc> Interesting...hibernation is disabled by default in 12.04?
[16:37] <Alan> HELL YES! I tamed the gnome-keyring-daemon beast!
[16:38] <Cogito> Why hibernation was disable in all buntus?
[16:38] <forestpiskie> drc: yea that's right
[16:38] <forestpiskie> Cogito: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-desktop-privileges/+bug/812394
[16:39] <drc> Alan: And you <are> going to share...right?
[16:39] <Cogito> thanks
[16:41] <Alan> drc: https://gist.github.com/2510667
[16:42] <Alan> basically, I wrote a wrapper script that acts like things like ssh-agent and dbus-launch, and then put it at the appropriate place in the Xsession.d, which builds the command to start the X session
[16:42] <drc> danke
[16:43] <Alan> it needs to be "inside" the dbus session and "inside" the ssh-agent (which you could probably disable since you don't need it any more)
[16:43] <Alan> TIL that Xsession.d just builds a command line back-to-front before executing it
[16:44] <Alan> I couldn't find a cleaner way to do it, unfortunately :(
[16:45] <Alan> but at least now i have gnome-keyring-daemon with a working login.keyring
[16:45] <Alan> and also with g-k-d asking for and storing SSH key passwords for the duration of the session
[16:51] <Kingsy> anyone having problems upgrading my package manager says "I need to check my internet connection" haha wtf? I am on irc on the same box
[17:00] <jarnos> My xfce session/desktop is corrupted. How do you reset it?
[17:00] <Sysi> rm -rf ~
[17:00] <Sysi> whoops nononono
[17:00] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions
[17:01] <Sysi> kids, that's why you shouldn't use -f
[17:01] <jarnos> Sysi, ok thanks, I'll try.
[17:04] <dekkz> kingsy: was getting that yesterday just assumed servers were getting hammered
[18:17] <donavan01> I need some help ... I have been chasing down a network issues for the past few days... I finally found out that it was the mtu size and after manually changing it through ifconfig I have no most issues ... however it does not stay resident and it also is not linked to the ssid but linked to the wlan0 so even if I made it resident for wlan0 it would just mess up the other connection I use... I tried editing it in the network 
[18:25] <Kingsy> anyone else getting that?
[18:26] <donavan01> getting what?
[18:26] <Kingsy> oh sorry I will repeat my question
[18:26] <Kingsy> anyone having problems upgrading my package manager says "I need to check my internet connection" haha wtf? I am on irc on the same box
[18:27] <Pici> Kingsy: choose a different mirror
[18:27] <donavan01> yeah ... the servers are getting banged hardcore today with the upgrade to 12.04
[18:27] <Kingsy> ah ok .. so just wait..
[18:27] <Kingsy> Pici: where can I choose the mirrors?
[18:28] <Pici> Kingsy: I'm not sure which tool in xubuntu does it.
[18:28] <Kingsy> is it not just a case of editing a file?
[18:36] <forestpiskie> Kingsy: run software-properties-gtk
[18:37] <forestpiskie> choose a new server from the list - or let it search for the best one - you'll be asked for password
[18:37] <forestpiskie> though I suspect most will be slow atm
[18:38] <magarwal> whwn i choose compiz as the window manager through Compiz Fusion icon, under ubuntu 12.04 , all window freezes
[18:39] <knome> magarwal, ubuntu or xubuntu ?
[18:39] <magarwal> knome, xubuntu
[18:39] <Unit193> Never used it, but "debtorrent" may actually be faster. :P
[18:39] <knome> magarwal, xubuntu and compiz are not officiall supported
[18:40] <magarwal> knome, so there is no way we can use compiz with xubuntu
[18:41] <knome> magarwal, i'm not saying that, but we're not officially supporting it (thus it means the developer team is not actively testing it either, or asking to test it)
[18:41] <knome> magarwal, there are many tutorials online for that, but i'm not sure if there is any for precise yet
[18:41] <magarwal> knome, ok
[18:51] <magarwal> knome, i am able o get windows movement work, allowing move window from ccsm, but not able to rotate desktop (rotate cube), any suggestions
[18:51] <knome> magarwal, i don't know compiz at all
[18:55] <magarwal> knome, thanks
[18:55] <Kingsy> how do you guys generally upgrade anyways? using the manager? or fresh?
[18:56] <knome> Kingsy, if a fresh install isn't too painful, that's the best solution
[18:56] <Kingsy> fresh seems like a total farce.. as you wuold have to reinstall all applications.. settings are saved which is fair enough.. but still
[18:56] <Kingsy> knome: is that what you do?
[18:56] <knome> Kingsy, depends, sometimes i do a fresh install
[18:57] <knome> whatever you do, remember to backup
[19:02] <astraljava> I usually sync data to other machines, and also copy safe the few conf files I can't live without (.vimrc, .bashrc are pretty much the ones).
[19:02] <astraljava> Then do a fresh install.
[19:04] <astraljava> Most of my machines have at least two hard drives, though. So I install the dev release already quite early on, so then I have stable safe when testing/developing. On release date, I then have "old-stable" and stable. When stable is _really_ stable, I install dev release on top of old-stable.
[19:05] <astraljava> Did that confuse everybody proper?
[19:06] <Kingsy> knome: I don't really need to backup .. I have a seperate drive for ~
[19:09] <astraljava> Kingsy: Yea, but user conf files are under $HOME, and when dist-upgrading enough, at some point the conf file format could change, thus causing some nasty quirks.
[19:09] <yusuo> hey im having trouble with my net speed inside xubuntu, mainly updating, chrome and firefox i get the full 1.3mb/s but the updating service im getting no more than 40kb/s
[19:09] <yusuo> any ideas
[19:09] <astraljava> Kingsy: Also, the drives go bad at some point.
[19:10] <astraljava> yusuo: Release was just yesterday?
[19:10] <astraljava> I think that's a fairly good idea.
[19:11] <gmgall> Hi everyone. I'm testing Xubuntu 12.
[19:12] <knome> gmgall, you mean 12.04
[19:12] <knome> oh right...
[19:12] <knome> gmgall, you mean 12.04
[19:13] <Kingsy> ah ok, well I wll do a rsync across to my mirror before I upgrade then :)
[19:14] <yusuo> hey im having trouble with my net speed inside xubuntu, mainly updating, chrome and firefox i get the full 1.3mb/s but the updating service im getting no more than 40kb/s
[19:15] <astraljava> yusuo: Release was just yesterday? There are like millions of people upgrading right now.
[19:15] <gmgall> Hi everyone. I'm testing Xubuntu 12.04 and xfce4-terminal is becoming a zombie process despite it not being crashed.
[19:15] <Unit193> yusuo: Yeah, many people updating.
[19:15] <gmgall> xterm works normally
[19:16] <yusuo> but even grabbing files such as deluge and vlc
[19:16] <Unit193> Yeah, you're pulling them from the same repo people are using to update.
[19:16] <Unit193> You could maybe try a local one if you aren't already.
[19:16] <knome> right, good reminder
[19:16]  * knome starts seeding the torrents
[19:16] <yusuo> its going now so oh well
[19:17] <gmgall> It looks like a unsolved bug: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+question/188706
[19:25] <Cr1s> hello - i am new to xUbuntu - and i would like to know how to delay the tooltips
[19:26] <Cr1s> hello - i am new to xUbuntu - and i would like to know how to delay the tooltips
[19:26] <acmeinc> the setting is in the Settings Manager, i bleieve its called notifications
[19:26] <Cr1s> not the notifications
[19:27] <Cr1s> the tooltips taht apppear everywhere
[19:28] <Cr1s> like application menu, windows buttons in pannel
[19:28] <jdtm-> like when you hold your mouse over a menu entry, the tooltip shows up
[19:28] <Cr1s> YES :) thant's right
[19:28] <Cr1s> how can i delay them ?
[19:29] <Cr1s> they appear too fast
[19:29] <jdtm-> no idea lol
[19:29] <jdtm-> i just knew what you were talking about
[19:29] <Cr1s> ufff ...
[19:34] <epod> Hi, when I try and run Wow, I get the following problem: aoss wine Wow.exe
[19:34] <epod> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[19:34] <epod> padsp wine Wow.exe gives a similar issue. Sound works, but Wow locks out any other apps from my sound card
[19:36] <rmcellig> I just installed xubuntu 12.04 and I can't figure out where to change the time zone and time
[19:37] <jdtm-> settings > calendar
[19:37] <jdtm-> for timezone anyway
[19:38] <jdtm-> rmcellig ^
[19:38] <rmcellig> Thanks! Is there a way to change from 24 hour format to 12 hour format?
[19:39] <epod> sigh, and google is very unhelpful, unless this problem has been going on since 2006... since all I find are old posts.
[19:40] <jdtm-> i dont know about WoW since i dont play it, but
[19:40] <jdtm-> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=24878&iTestingId=70710
[19:40] <jdtm-> scroll down to howto
[19:41] <jdtm-> and as long as you follow it it outta work epod
[19:42] <jdtm-> rmcellig, right click on the clock in lower right hand corner >  properties
[19:42] <Unit193> epod: There sure is! It's in the settings in the clock applet, Right click > Properties
[19:42] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/strftime
[19:42] <jdtm-> oops
[19:42] <jdtm-> i forgot i moved my bar from default
[19:43] <jdtm-> wherever your clock is :P
[19:43] <rmcellig> found it
[19:43] <jdtm-> and wrong guy unit
[19:44] <Unit193> jdtm-: Wow, don't know how I did that...
[19:44] <jdtm-> :D
[19:44] <Unit193> And right after you too.
[19:50] <donavan01> hey can some folks check this out for me open a terminal  once its open see if your process you just started goes zombie ... seems like there is a glitch in 12.04 (at least)          ps aux | grep Z
[19:54] <jdtm-> told me chromium and terminal were zombies
[19:54] <jdtm-> brb shotgun time
[19:55] <epod> jdtm-, it works fine, it just locks out the audio device, so I cant have audio in wow and, say, play music in gmusicbrowser
[19:55] <epod> or, if im playing music before wow starts, then wow has no sound
[19:56] <jdtm-> heh, ive been having audio issues myself, so i cant be of much help
[19:56] <Unit193> I always check the arch wiki on that, has helped in the past and I've had some issues with that type of thing, I think there's a fix in there actually.
[19:57] <aguitel> i am running xubuntu 12.04 with nvidia-current driver and glxgears say:37 frames in 5.1 seconds =  7.300 FPS ,why ?
[19:58] <Cr1s> Hello - i have asked earlier how to delay tooltips - and i found the answer
[19:58] <jdtm-> which was....?
[19:58] <astraljava> aguitel: pastebin the output of `glxinfo`, please.
[19:59] <hydester> is xubuntu precise missing lock screen?
[19:59] <Cr1s> you have to create a file in your home directory named : .gtkrc-2.0
[19:59] <Cr1s> in that file you can enter these settings :
[19:59] <aguitel> astraljava, ok
[19:59] <astraljava> Cr1s: If you hadn't left so promptly, I could have given you that answer in here, too. But it was a lesson in patience for you.
[19:59] <Cr1s> gtk-enable-tooltips = 0 disable tooltips
[19:59] <jdtm-> i thought you wanted to just slow them down though?
[20:00] <jdtm-> i coulda told you that
[20:00] <jdtm-> (after 2 mins of googling)
[20:00] <Cr1s> gtk-tooltip-browse-timeout = 1000
[20:00] <Cr1s> gtk-tooltip-timeout = 1000
[20:00] <jdtm-> ahh
[20:00] <aguitel> astraljava, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/588150/
[20:00] <Cr1s> and there is also gtk-tooltip-browse-mode-timeout - but i didn't test it
[20:01] <Cr1s> all i did is :
[20:01] <Cr1s> gtk-enable-tooltips = 1
[20:01] <Cr1s> gtk-tooltip-browse-timeout = 1000
[20:01] <Cr1s> gtk-tooltip-timeout = 1000
[20:01] <Cr1s> i don't know if this is ok ... but ... it somehow work
[20:01] <knome> Cr1s, are you helping somebody out? if not, please do not paste multiline text
[20:01] <Cr1s> k - sorry
[20:02] <jdtm-> he was just showing me something.
[20:03] <astraljava> aguitel: Hmm, seems fine to me. Ok, please pastebin `sudo lshw -c display`.
[20:04] <aguitel> astraljava,http://paste.pocoo.org/show/588154/
[20:09] <astraljava> aguitel: Can you check if you are bitten by this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/982710/comments/11
[20:10] <aguitel> astraljava, this ussue are in precise only ?
[20:11] <astraljava> aguitel: No idea, I haven't used a machine with nVidia cards for the past few weeks.
[20:11] <aguitel> astraljava, ok
[20:11] <aguitel> thanks
[20:20] <epod> I'm having issues with THIS problem - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-oss/+bug/173487 - which has apparently been an open bug since 2007/2008!?!?!
[20:21] <epod> I even apt-get install alsa-oss:i386 and the error persists
[20:23] <epod> can anyone help?
[20:34] <astraljava> epod: I have a feeling that Alsa's OSS-emulation hasn't been worked on for years anymore. Maybe that's why bugs filed against it don't get resolved. But I'm not _really_ sure about this. Just get this hunch while browsing the 'net and googling around.
[20:34] <astraljava> epod: For instance, on Alsa's domain, the only link to oss-emulation dates back to almost a decade.
[20:35] <epod> astraljava, the issue is, padsp does the same thing, unless I install libpulsedsp:i386, in which case I get no errors, but the sound issues (i.e. wow can't have sound whilst anything else does) still persists.
[20:36] <epod> it's like it's wow vs. every other app on my system for control of my sound card
[20:36] <epod> and I can't change wine from ALSA to pulse in winecfg
[20:36] <epod> I don't see the option
[20:36] <knome> i'd imagine that's easier to work around than alsa stuff
[20:37] <astraljava> No idea, sorry can't help you there. Good luck!
[20:37] <epod> I'm not sure what to do, and im getting frustrated, cause pulseaudio has constantly been an issue for YEARS.  Why do devs include broken crap!?
[20:40] <astraljava> Please mind the language, and acknowledge that this is work in progress, and not many for that project either are being paid for their efforts.
[20:40] <epod> bugs open since 2007 though... I mean, I know its people volunteering, but, why release something that isnt even being fixed or kept up? rem ove
[20:40] <epod> *it ought to be removed or repaired.
[20:41] <astraljava> epod: Volunteering? Either way, you won't get your money back.
[20:41] <holstein> epod: its open... you can help if you'd like :)
[20:41] <astraljava> And with that, I'm off. G'night.
[20:42] <epod> holstein, that'd be helpful if I was a developer.  I am not.  I'd *like* to support open source and use it, but things like this don't give me much faith.  And everyone just goes "oh well, lets add different shiny unity stuff instead of fixing what's broken!"
[20:42] <holstein> seems like you have a rather hardware specific issue as well
[20:43] <epod> no, it isnt hardware
[20:43] <epod> at all.
[20:43] <epod> my sound works
[20:43] <holstein> pulling pulse out globaly is not an option
[20:43] <epod> its ONLY wine with padsp or aoss.
[20:43] <holstein> but, you can take it out if you'd like
[20:43] <epod> and the bug has been open since 2007.  and is current to 12.04.
[20:43] <holstein> sure
[20:43] <holstein> but, wine is not default, correct?
[20:44] <epod> holstein, its in the repos, I'm not using a ppa.
[20:44] <holstein> epod: the default installation is not effected
[20:44] <epod> wine 1.4
[20:44] <holstein> sure, but there are lots of cases in the repos that are likely not tested
[20:44] <holstein> or present issues
[20:44] <holstein> doesnt mean wine should be pulled out
[20:44] <holstein> anyways... sounds like you are rightly frustrated
[20:45] <epod> then why are they in there? someone goes "Ohm, I want to use this app" and then it doesnt work, so they get mad/frustated, and tell people linux sucks.
[20:45] <holstein> and i can only suggested following the proper chanels
[20:45] <epod> NOT a good way to attract users,  and the proper channels (i.e. launchpad) have had the bug open for five yearsd.,
[20:45] <holstein> epod: lots of things contain bugs, and cases where things break
[20:45] <epod> so I dont expect that's going to be any help
[20:45] <holstein> epod: you dont know though
[20:45] <holstein> epod:  and that IS the way to do it
[20:46] <holstein> epod: there is usualy likely a good reason
[20:46] <holstein> epod: the only way to know is to follow up
[20:46] <epod> Well, my bi-yearly attempt to switch to linux for freedom, to support choice, etc, fails again, and its back to windows, because something trivial like playing sound in two programs at a time fails.
[20:46] <epod> thanks for trying at least
[20:46] <holstein> im not trying anything
[20:46] <epod> I meant trying to help
[20:46] <holstein> but i have worked around some issues like that
[20:46] <epod> wasnt being sarcastic.
[20:46] <holstein> i didnt just switch to linux one day
[20:47] <holstein> took be about 3 or 4 years to move everything over
[20:47] <holstein> took me*
[20:47] <epod> the problem is I cant FIND a workaround, and when a bug has been open for five years, trying to google search a solution is an exercise in frustration, encountering threads for ubuntu 8.10
[20:47] <holstein> to team speak?
[20:47] <holstein> mumble
[20:47] <epod> no
[20:48] <holstein> use other software
[20:48] <epod> I'll reiterate
[20:48] <holstein> use native software
[20:48] <holstein> if you are trying to use WINE, i think you can always expect some hassle
[20:48] <holstein> i think WINE is great though
[20:48] <epod> Wow (i.e. wine) has sound, IF I am not using any other sound app when it starts.  However, if Wow has sound, no other app can have sound.
[20:48] <astraljava> Okay, one more thing to say. epod, feel free to continue using proprietary systems. Please come back when you've grasped the concept of volunteer work, and how it changes the procedures, processes and resources in such a huge eco-system like a linux distribution is.
[20:48] <epod> padsp doesnt fix it, aoss doesnt fix it.
[20:49] <epod> astraljava, you're never going to succeed unless things work.  And no one seems to care.  It's endemic to the community.  attitude seems to be 'if it doesnt work, you shouldnt be trying to do it'
[20:49] <holstein> epod: but, if you are trying to run non-native code, you are going to have issues
[20:49] <astraljava> There are likely a million of different variations of applications and processes intertwined. It's a pretty hardcore idea to insist every one of them being tested and assured during a release cycle.
[20:49] <holstein> and thats likely why it cant be "fixed"
[20:50] <holstein> i would look for native apps that have a similar workflow
[20:50] <epod> holstein, its wine.  which IS native code.  It's a pulseaudio/alsa or sound subsystem issue with the 32bit app
[20:50] <holstein> which is not always possible, thought more and more likely
[20:50] <astraljava> epod: I'm not going to even respond to such blanket statements. The world isn't black and white, and FLOSS even less so.
[20:50] <holstein> epod: what you are runnin in WINE is what im refering to
[20:50] <epod> the issue is the sound system, IN ubuntu, becuase it works in fedora.
[20:50] <holstein> epod: what ever windows application
[20:50] <epod> so why the heck SHOULDNT it work in ubuntu
[20:50] <holstein> epod: not sure
[20:50] <holstein> wine rev
[20:51] <holstein> alsa version.. kernel
[20:51] <epod> thats the thing, BUG SINCE 2007
[20:51] <holstein> you can test and report
[20:51] <epod> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-oss/+bug/173487
[20:51] <epod> OPEN FOR FIVE YEARS
[20:51] <holstein> epod: yeah, but i dont have that test case
[20:51] <holstein> lots of folks done
[20:51] <epod> fixed in OTHER distros
[20:51] <holstein> epod: you are needed to help fix it maybe
[20:51] <epod> so its ubuntu.
[20:51] <holstein> epod: if its fixed in debian, it'll trickle in
[20:51] <holstein> epod: so, is it fixed upstream?
[20:51]  * epod sighs
[20:51] <holstein> have you looked there for a bug?
[20:52] <holstein> epod: at some point, we need to be contructive
[20:52] <holstein> if you just want to bash ubuntu, thats fine
[20:52] <holstein> you dont have to like it
[20:52] <epod> you guys just really dont get it.  YOU SHOULD NOT SHIP A PRODUCT THAT, for a VERY common use (program with 10 MILLION USERS) does NOT work.
[20:52] <holstein> its just.. lest come up with something positive that averone can benifit from
[20:52] <holstein> lets*
[20:53] <holstein> oh well.. that could have gone better i suppose...
[20:54] <astraljava> *shrugs* There'll always be people like that.
[20:54] <astraljava> Don't lose your sleep over it.
[20:54] <holstein> nah.. its just that ive been frustrated like that before... like about my firewire device... before i really understood what was going on
[20:55] <astraljava> We tried to make him/her understand. Maybe [s]he will, some day. Until that, I hardly think there'll be contributions coming from that direction anyway. :)
[20:55] <astraljava> G'night.
[20:58] <knome> night.
[21:06] <mongy> what was epod running in wine btw?  I can't see through all the whining.
[21:07] <holstein> mongy: thats what i was wondering... i didnt see it either
[21:07] <holstein> i saw teamspeak referenced in the bug report
[21:08] <knome> i think he had problems running WoW
[21:08] <knome> i thought blizzard had an extensive support page for linux too
[21:08] <holstein> i bet.. thats not trivial is it?
[21:08] <knome> well, blizzard has been putting some effort to make it work well
[21:09] <knome> and my understanding is that many are able to run it on linux with next to no problems, or no problems at all
[21:09] <Unit193> SC2 I hear was teseted on wine when they made it.  Have you checked the !appdb?
[21:09] <knome> simcity 2?
[21:09] <mongy> well, wine in repo and wine from the ppa are different experiences.  maybe he should learn a bit more.
[21:10] <knome> http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_functionality_on_Wine
[21:11] <knome> that's offtopic anyway, -offtopic if you want to continue on the subject :)
[21:11]  * knome will be there too
[21:11] <Unit193> knome: Idiot, StarCraft2 (dont, really)
[21:12] <knome> /kick Unit193
[21:12] <knome> oops, that didn't work
[21:12] <knome> :P
[21:28] <dougb_freebsd> Howdy campers
[21:28]  * knome is not camping
[21:29] <dougb_freebsd> when I was using "regular" ubuntu it had the feature that if I typed 'ssh some.host' and my ssh key was not already cached, it would pop up a dialog to ask me for the password
[21:29] <dougb_freebsd> I think it was gnome keyring manager
[21:29] <Unit193> *BAM* 'eadshot
[21:29] <Unit193> You can install seahorse if it isn't already.
[21:30] <dougb_freebsd> I did that .... and I see my ssh, pgp, etc. keys
[21:30] <dougb_freebsd> but seahorse seems to want to configure a key for every host I log into
[21:30] <Unit193> I personally recommend using .ssh/config as you get tabcomplete with ssh and scp, along with per host config
[21:31] <dougb_freebsd> well, my ssh config is set up just fine :)
[21:32] <dougb_freebsd> but what's happening is that when I try to ssh into a host, rather than the key manager/agent thing kicking in, I get prompted for the pass to the key on the command line, as if no agent were running at all
[21:33] <dougb_freebsd> so I feel like I'm missing a step, I'm just not sure what it is
[21:33] <Unit193> What version are you using? I personally get errors like "WARNING: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-wpDvk8/pkcs11: No such file or directory" that could indicate something, do you also?
[21:33] <Unit193> I have mine setup differently, so I don't think I'll be of much help and differ to knome.
[21:34] <Unit193> Deffer*
[21:34] <dougb_freebsd> I installed 11.10, and just ran the upgrade to 12.04
[21:34] <knome> no idea
[21:34] <dougb_freebsd> I don't see any error messages on the command line, just the prompt for the key password
[21:35] <dougb_freebsd> there is a /tmp/keyring-foo/control socket that is owned by me, so it doesn't look like an access issue
[21:37] <dougb_freebsd> also, ssh-agent is definitely running
[21:38] <dougb_freebsd> ssh-add -l
[21:38] <dougb_freebsd> The agent has no identities.
[21:38] <dougb_freebsd> and I can use ssh-add just fine
[22:27] <adresden> has anything changed in Precise that would affect the quality of the fonts?
[22:28] <knome> adresden, is something wrong?
[22:28] <dougb_freebsd> adresden: looking at the update log I would say yes, quite a bit :)
[22:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> Hello everyone
[22:28] <knome> hullo
[22:29] <Unit193> dougb_freebsd: Get anywhere?
[22:29] <dougb_freebsd> nope
[22:29] <adresden> knome, just not as clean around the edges...using same settings as Oneri
[22:29] <adresden> c
[22:30] <Unit193> ps aux |grep keyring  and try that on the other desktop, it's not much, but *maybe*
[22:30] <dougb_freebsd> Unit193: not sure what you mean by other desktop?
[22:30] <knome> adresden, you can check the settings at the "appearance" section in the settings manager (tab 'fonts')
[22:31] <adresden> yeah played with that
[22:32] <knome> adresden, are you talking of *all* fonts, or fonts in a specific place?
[22:32] <adresden> could it be the default x11 settings have varied?
[22:32] <adresden> all fonts, yes
[22:32] <knome> it's possible there is some changes there too
[22:32] <knome> but i don't know about *those*
[22:32] <adresden> anyone else noticed this?
[22:33] <knome> no, not really...
[22:34] <GridCube> adresden, your monitor has a button to autoconfigure itself
[22:34] <adresden> laptop
[22:34] <GridCube> sometimes when getting new video drivers this configuration gets... messed
[22:34] <GridCube> welp
[22:34]  * GridCube hides under a rock
[22:37] <adresden> people used to compliment me on how wonderfully sharp my letters were...
[22:37] <knome> lol, a true story for the television
[22:37] <On3iric> Hello, I'm having a problem with suspending my laptop since I updated to 12.04, is this the right place to ask for help?
[22:37] <Mike-Linux-NL> sure
[22:37] <knome> On3iric, yep.
[22:38] <adresden> On3iric, me too
[22:38] <Mike-Linux-NL> i must say the "pause" works wonderfull
[22:38] <Mike-Linux-NL> pause mode
[22:38] <On3iric> Ok, thank you. The laptop suspends normally, but when I want to resume the session, the screen stays blank, I have no idea what could be wrong
[22:38] <adresden> On3iric, what model laptop?
[22:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> did you tap the mouse? it coul be its stuck in a screensaver?
[22:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> normally your should get a xscreensaver login screen
[22:39] <On3iric> adresden, its a toshiba satelite l500-208
[22:40] <On3iric> I've tried tapping the mouse, as well as pushing the power button, nothing helps, can't even switch to different ttys
[22:40] <Mike-Linux-NL> what about ctrl-alt f1?
[22:40] <adresden> Precise has a few problems...my upgrade failed and I had to do a clean install
[22:40] <Mike-Linux-NL> does it bring you back in the terminal mode?
[22:41] <On3iric> Mine-Linux-NL, no unfortunately it doesn't, the only solution I've found is to hard-reset it.
[22:41] <On3iric> Mike*, sorry
[22:41] <knome> adresden, unfortunately any release has some problems
[22:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> i did a clean install last night, but there are some issues with xubuntu...
[22:42] <ThePendulum1> I'm awfully sorry, but Ubuntu 12.04 is... quite good.
[22:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> volumecontrol dissapears sometimes, Docky crashes/ or better said freezes up for no reason.
[22:42] <On3iric> Yes, I guess a clean install might be the best solution, would be nice if that fixed it :)
[22:43] <Mike-Linux-NL> I switched to Xubuntu and gave it the looks of gnome2 with the ambiance theme, so i can avoid unity and gnome3 shell
[22:43] <GridCube> On3iric, try disabling the screensavers
[22:43] <On3iric> GridCube, thank you, I'll try that
[22:44] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: That's what I did as well, until yesterday. But Xubuntu is still recommended.
[22:44] <GridCube> On3iric, do you know how to do that or want some guidance?
[22:45] <ThePendulum1> Does any of you guys know how to change the splash screen resolution?
[22:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> ThePendulum1: this is how my Xubuntu 12.04 looks now: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4260461/Screenshots/Xubuntu-Precise.jpg
[22:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> ThePendulum1: you mean the plymouth one?
[22:45] <On3iric> GridCube, I remember having a similar issue with 11.10, so I already had the screensavers and the fade to black deactivated, that fixed the problem for 11.10, but it's back since I updated to 12.04.
[22:45] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: Not bad. The only thing I wish I managed to change was the menu colour.
[22:45] <adresden> 12 is good, except for the upgrade fail and font quality
[22:45] <adresden> on my notebook, anyway
[22:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> ThePendulum1: to what color? it should be in gtk/sxfce theme
[22:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> xfce sorry
[22:46] <GridCube> On3iric, oh i see, sorry to hear that, check again the screensavers, they might have reverted? dunno
[22:47] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: I've messed around, but I didn't manage to change it. I was using the Elementary theme. Not the same as Gnome2, but I liked it over Ambiance
[22:48] <On3iric> GridCube, thank you for your advice, I appreciate it.
[22:48] <Mike-Linux-NL> well, i can give you the tar.gz theme file for my ambiance theme? this one worked perfectly for me?
[22:48] <dougb_freebsd> Unit193: /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --foreground --components=secrets
[22:48] <dougb_freebsd> Unit193: so perhaps I need to add ssh to components there?
[22:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> thank god i found a way to switch around my webcam image on my laptop
[22:49] <dougb_freebsd> I'm guessing that "secrets" is login stuff
[22:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> it was upside down
[22:49] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: The edges look a bit messy, though :P Anyway, I'm on Ubuntu 12.04 now, so the Ambiance theme is default.
[22:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> i cannot get used to the dock on the side and start things either by HUD or the dash... i think its Ubuntu's biggest mistake ever
[22:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> it works maybe on a tablet
[22:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> but not on the desktop
[22:50] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: That's what I thought during 11.04 and 11.10, but it certainly has improved with 12.04
[22:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> so before i switch on the desktop from lucid to precise, i have to make sure how to make Xubuntu the way i want it to be
[22:51] <Mike-Linux-NL> thank god Lucid is supported till april 2013
[22:51] <Mike-Linux-NL> by then most child deseases should be out of ubuntu/xubuntu
[22:52] <ThePendulum1> I haven't started web development with Ubuntu 12.04 yet... perhaps I will switch back to Xfce if it turns out to be a horrible experience
[22:54] <Mike-Linux-NL> The thing with gnome is the same what happened to KDE years back,, when the switched from 3.5 to kde 4 and dropped support for 3.5 almost in an instant
[22:55] <Mike-Linux-NL> i think i will make a video about how to "gnomify" the xfce desktop, and xubuntu will go up on distrowatch
[22:56] <Unit193> dougb_freebsd: I really don't know, but I thought it may be something.
[22:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> btw, is there a way to port he nautilus-dropbox script to Thunar?
[22:56] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: You'd like to integrate Dropbox in Thunar?
[22:57] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: Figured out how to install a little extension that will take care of that. I could install it for you if you have TeamViewer or something
[22:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> well, since its xfce's native filebrowser, why not? it does not differ too much from Nautilus?
[22:58] <ThePendulum1> http://softwarebakery.com/maato/thunar-dropbox.html <--
[22:58] <ThePendulum1> Best bet
[22:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> ThePendulum1: i think i saw that on a forum today. but it only takes care of the public folder right?
[22:58] <malv> Xubuntu 12.04 now distributed across our research lab
[22:58] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: And all subfolders
[22:58] <malv> now is your chance to shine, Xubuntu team
[22:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> well, i am not part of the xubuntu team, but i am happy to see that linux is being used in research :)
[22:59] <On3iric> no change, it the screen turns on, but there is nothing on it and I can't switch the ttys... I don't even know where I could start looking if not even the various ttys work
[22:59] <ThePendulum1> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25683105/Pictures/Creative/lamas.jpg <-- This is what I thought when I first saw Unity
[22:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> ThePendulum1: why dont you make a nice howto for it?
[22:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> post it to OMG ubuntu or something?
[23:00] <malv> i've come to the conclusion that Gnome3 and Unity are information consumer DEs
[23:00] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: Well, everything you need to do is instructed on that page, except for one thing (which is somewhere in the comments)
[23:00] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: You'll need to install "libthunarx-2-dev"
[23:00] <Mike-Linux-NL> ThePendulum1: why not talk in #xubuntu-offtopic so this channel stays clear for support?
[23:01] <ThePendulum1> Mike-Linux-NL: Eh, well, you asked how to integrate Dropbox into Thunar, so I answered the question
[23:02] <Kingsy> still no response from the servers for the upgrade then? I still get a "please check your internet connection" .. anyone had it working yet ?
[23:02] <On3iric> I've got some things in .xsession-errors, could that have anything to do with my problem? http://paste.ubuntu.com/951115/
[23:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> epic fail in xubuntu offtopic
[23:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> xubuntu 11.10 in the topic bar?
[23:05] <Guest5173> parole cannot initiate xv output. why is that?
[23:08] <Kingsy> wow.. the servers are running slow.. I am suprised they are still swamped
[23:08] <Kingsy> screw that.. I finally got the upgrade to run but at 19KB/s I would rather not haha
[23:09] <Kingsy> saying as though I usually get 6MB/s not really that great :P
[23:31] <paulehoffman> Looking for a bit of help with an unpleasant change in 12.04.
[23:32] <Unit193> !ask
[23:33] <paulehoffman> I want to manage my own network settings. I used to be that "sudo apt-get purge network-manager network-manager-gnome" would stop any "helpful" changes from Xubuntu. Starting in 12.04, after doing that and rebooting, /etc/resolv.conf is still nuked. Clues about how to stop nukeage of /etc/resolv.conf?
[23:34] <Unit193> Right, you needed to edit your networkmanager config and comment out one line.
[23:36] <paulehoffman> Where do I find that? In /etc/NetworkManager, there is only VPN/
[23:36] <pleia2> paulehoffman: 12.04 switched to use dnsmasq, there is some info here: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[23:37] <Unit193> pleia2: Thanks, I was thinking of that, but couldn't grab as I'm doing 11.10 > 12.04
[23:37] <pleia2> it includes a FAQ that answers your question :)
[23:37] <paulehoffman> pleia2: Excellent, thanks!
[23:38] <paulehoffman> And: yuck. Someone moved my cheese.