[00:49] trying to get hdmi passthrough to work on my system. on ubuntu i can get stereo output and multichannel output. but i want to passthrough to my receiver to do the decoding [00:49] Hello [00:49] Hi steemed [00:50] :) I used to be an ubuntu member... [00:50] I'm having a problem with bash executing a script [00:50] ie adb [00:50] in 12.04 [00:51] So I include adb in the path and it say ~/androidstuff/platform-tools/adb not found [00:51] when it is there and ls shows it is there [00:51] and it is executable [00:51] sh is the same story [00:52] Expand that to full path. [00:53] Doesn't work [00:53] Even doing the full path in bash [00:54] I'll pastebin [00:54] That sure is weird. [00:55] http://pastebin.com/VikrFyEG [00:55] Unit193: ^ [00:55] And yes I did chmod +x [00:56] `bash adb` may do it, but what's the contents? Also try `file adb` [00:56] mind if I paste two lines from file here? [00:57] Sure. [00:57] andrew@unicorn:~/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools$ file adb [00:57] adb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped [00:58] Alright. [00:58] andrew@unicorn:~/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools$ bash ./adb [00:58] ./adb: ./adb: cannot execute binary file [00:58] Yeah, I misunderstood that it wasn't a bash file. [00:59] k [00:59] Do I need 32 bit libraries? This is 64 bit [00:59] I'd think there'd be errors or something, but that's not the type of error I'd expect. [01:00] hm [01:00] I've not had anything like this, so I can't be of much help. [01:00] Alright thanks anyways [01:10] hey, I'm having an issue. I'm dual booting backtrack 5 and ubuntu 10.04 64bit. My splash screen for ubuntu when I log in is surrounded by green. http://imgur.com/7PIH1 [04:12] Hey everyone. I'm trying to install 12.04 on my HP desktop but I don't get the option to "install alongside windows 7." The only options I get are to "erase and install" and/or "something else." Can anyone help me out w/ how I'd go about installing it alongside Windows 7? [04:12] boliviano3: are you choosing the drive that has windows 7 on in? [04:14] i haven't gotten that far yet. I installed 12.04 on another computer but it gave me the option to install alongside windows. Since this time it didn't give me that option I don't know how to proceed [04:15] boliviano3: you need to be choosing a hard drive with windows 7 on it [04:16] boliviano3: i you have a USB stick, or other hard drives in the machine, you could have that selected ay accident [04:16] you wont see an "install along side" option, if you choose a device which has nothing to install anything alongside [04:18] where would I have picked the wrong device? once i the live cd starts it asks if i want to try ubuntu or install. i pick install but then the install alongside never comes up [04:19] boliviano3: not sure... maybe you can take pictures... could be hanging somewhere... could be what im suggesting where you are not choosing the proper drive somehow [04:23] i know that on the other install after I picked to install alongside windows the I got to choose the size of the partition but this time I just get "erase & install" or "something else" [04:23] boliviano3: right.. im proposing you are *not* choosing the hard drive with windows on it [04:24] what i'm saying is i'm *never* getting the option to choose where I want to install [04:25] boliviano3: well, you already got it once, so saying "never" isnt fair or true [04:25] to take my adivce into consideration, you just need to confirm that the drive has windows on it, and that you are choosing it [04:27] im proposing that you are choosing a different drive in error [04:27] a drive that doesnt have windows on it [04:28] but how would I be choosing the wrong drive when I'm not given the option to choose one? [04:29] boliviano3: not sure.. i have seen dropdown menuse.. again, you should try and take a photo, or maybe try the alternate installer [04:29] dropdown menus* [04:29] what's the alternate installer? [04:29] dropdown menus where? [04:30] boliviano3: you'll see the alternate iso's listed here http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ [04:30] boliviano3: i have seen them in the installer.. the GUI one, but i have no idea what you are seeing [04:30] boliviano3: try the alternate, and see if that gets you what you are looking for [04:30] its a more text based installer with more options [04:35] ok so after the live cd boots up I get this [04:35] http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/www.ubuntu.com/files/active/try-intsall.jpg [04:36] I choose install and I get this [04:36] http://www.webscopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Installation-Procedure-No-OS-Detected_thumb.png [04:36] when I should get this [04:36] http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/www.ubuntu.com/files/active/installation-type.jpg [04:37] never is an option given to choose a hard drive before then [04:41] boliviano3: you can try the alternate iso [04:42] you can use a live CD with gparted to shrink the ntfs partition [04:42] then, you can use the "something else" option and install to the empty space you created [04:43] boliviano3: i wouldnt just expect the installer to magically do what you need it to do... shrink windows and install ubuntu beside it [04:43] if its not working, try doing it manually with the same tools the installer would use [04:44] boliviano3: Tengo una sugerencia [04:45] boliviano3: Has intentado correr Windows, dejarlo corriendo unos 5 minutos, y luevo volver a arrancar del CD? [04:45] Posiblemente haya algun registro, aunque no estoy seguro de eso [05:02] boliviano3: i just tried on a dell.. didnt see the "alongside" option [05:02] i just saw what you had [05:03] i would just choose to shrink the partition... i would either try that in the "something else" option, or with gparted from a live CD [05:03] i would have my data backed up before doing either... [05:03] enjoy! [05:28] Okay, so I have an update problem and I'm supposed to report, but don't know how. [05:28] rainstake, hello. What is the error you are getting? [05:30] I"m running update now so I can post it. What's that website to post error messages, again? Oh, and I have to step away only for a bit to help feed our baby. [05:30] !paste | rainstake [05:30] rainstake: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [05:31] Well, that update and upgrade worked this time, but I still have that silly red dot with the minus sign in it on my tab. [05:32] you say you have problem [05:32] you want to report but you dont know how [05:32] Can you take a screenshot and put it in imagebin.com, share the links? [05:32] and when we ask about you say "oh but I have this update going but I cant report it now" [05:33] rainstake, screenshot in imagebin.com will make us understand and can help you better [05:34] IAmNotThatGuy: I think I have a broken package, I just received that error from package manager. Excuse my confusion, I usually don't have multiple issues with ubuntu. [05:34] Okay [05:35] I'm running update manager again so as to see what error message appears. [05:36] why not just open terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" [05:36] would be faster than taking screenshots [05:37] bioterror: I ran update and upgrade and am having issues, once the slowness is resolved, I'll show the screen shot of the error page. [05:44] IAmNotThatGuy: here;s the link to the screenshot: http://imagebin.org/210088 [06:01] I'm back. Here's a message error I am receiving: http://imagebin.org/210088 [06:03] Awww! kernel install issue :( [06:03] Sounds horrible, then, eh? [06:03] IAmNotThatGuy: I had to do a backup and then restore is after a fresh install [06:04] Try running 1) aptitude clean 2)aptitude update 3)aptitude safe-upgrade [06:04] Use sudo if there are some lock errors [06:05] Okay, will do. I'll report the results, soon. [06:06] always sudo with aptitude [06:06] Okay. If that also fails, you have to manually extract the package and install [06:06] bioterror, okies [06:07] * IAmNotThatGuy is updating his Lucid ;] [06:33] For me sometimes the search bar for the Ubuntu Software Center is there and sometimes it's not. [06:33] r4y, is is after the upgrading to 12.04? [06:34] I installed from CD [06:35] I had no idea they kept all the logs for irc for Ubuntu related channels. Sounds like a gold mine [06:36] I am still lost a little when it comes to Unity [06:37] I should go read tutorials and watch videos on it [06:37] that's why I like plain gnome shell better [06:37] Me as well [06:38] I like the options for appearance better [06:38] The icons on the left take up a lot of space and liked the space saving drop down menu [06:39] I liked the applets. Like force quit, lock screen, and system monitor [06:40] I liked alacarte for customizing the main menu [06:40] cool [06:40] I haven't tried doing sudo apt-get install gnome-shell [06:41] Once that is installed will I be able to switch back and force between Unity and Gnome? [06:41] I heard it can be done from the login screen [06:43] Will the customizations for Unity and Gnome remain separate for certain things other then say preferences for having delete set for right click and so on? [06:44] I need to go do a couple of things. But I am not leaving [06:45] That is what life is about. [09:00] I need help to solve my login problem in ubuntu 11.04... anyone there? [09:06] after booting to the system, when I enter my username and password into the graphical login screen, it goes blank and returned me the same screen again. But I can login in tty1 with the same username and password. After searching a lot, I found that people are talking about .xsession-errors file, in which, in my case I found this error: /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... .: 20: Can't open /usr/share/im-config/ [09:07] what should I do? [09:26] hi so far so good with pp but i am being told not all files downloaded correctly (when i try updating). do i reinstall over the top? [09:28] Depending on the errors, you should be able to either `sudo apt-get update`, `sudo apt-get install -f`, or `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` [09:28] ok will try all 3! :-) thx [09:31] tried the 1st and: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [09:31] sorry ignore that! [09:32] W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/jsevi83/unity/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [09:35] Well, you have an old ppa left over, either comment it out, or use !ppa-purge to remove it. [09:36] "It'll be located at /etc/apt/sources.list.d" [09:36] !ppa-purge [09:36] To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [09:37] ok will try thx === jalcine is now known as jacky === jacky is now known as Jacky === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:04] Hello, I have a game that is non-gui but linux native. when it launches the screen is off-set to the side. Is there a way to adjust that without messing with my monitor 'hard button' controls or so that it automatically centers and doesn't mess with other display settings? [12:27] Culiforge, Somewhere in 'the game's' preferences, perhaps? [12:29] Either that or perhaps you need to launch from terminal with screen parameters; but I'm not sure how to do that, sorry. :-( [12:51] Sidewinder: looked through prefs, no dice... I'll google about screen params tho... thanks [12:55] Culiforge, You're more than welcome; I just wish I could have been more definitive. I know that I have my terminal command (for when I open a terminal) that has the parameter "--geometry=150x60" because I want it a certain size. I don't know how that'll help with the centering but it might be a start.. [13:15] Sidewinder: as another.. when I launch game via the script in terminal, the game takes over the display (as I believe it should) so it doesn't seem to make sense that an adjustment to the terminal window would solve my issue. Back when I was a M$ user, there was, in file properties, open/run with paramaters as well as previous windows version emulation (sort of) that would allow you to set window metrics and such. Dunno if there [13:16] Hi guys I have a bit of experience with linux but not much with unity. does unity have a system tray and can I get gpodder to appear in it (setting the option in gpodder doesnt appear to have any effect) [13:17] zigzag: you may have to run session under gnome-fallback or some such to get system tray from what I know of it.. [13:18] zigzag: but that will involve disabling unity all together [13:18] Culiforge, No, I was not suggesting that term. win adjustment would do anything; it was just an example to hopefully get you on the right track. I apologize if I was unclear. Guess that's why my wife keeps telling me that my advice is worth exactly what I charge for it.. :-) [13:18] Oh so other than those 2 littler arrows you cant tell if gpodder is running [13:19] Sidewinder: no, not at all, mostly me talking out loud.. I understood what you meant [13:20] Kewl, and good luck.. [13:20] zigzag: don't know what gpodder is, just know from when I ditched unity for some semblance of the old interface [13:21] for me, unity was like putting a square wheel on my car :) [13:23] Culiforge: Not giving up yet, but maybe soon. do you run gnome 3 or cinnamon [13:23] gnome3 [13:24] what do I need to do install on 12.04 [13:24] sudo apt-get install ...? ppa ? and does it break something [13:24] didn't see the point of running a netbook-like interface when I have desktop screen real estate [13:25] ubuntu forums are full of walkthroughs on how to get rid of unity and revert back to a gnome like experience [13:25] forums/help pages [13:26] just did it the once myself so I don't remember the step by steps of it [13:26] I trying to get my family to move to linux and I think gnome 3 is not entirely there. I found the mint was still a little buggy; at least from where I was sitting [13:27] Culiforge: if I install gnome 3, can I switch between it and unity from the logon screen [13:28] hehe, just do what I did... wipe their computers and install ubuntu.... mwuhahaha! [13:28] Culiforge,: No my wife still loves me and I would like it to remain so [13:29] yeah, there's the login option for that.. there's unity 3d, unity 2d, gnome-fallback, and I think gnome-somethingorother... (nothing like being specific eh?) [13:32] their used ti be a version of Ubuntu that looked liked XP [13:32] oop, they already left [13:47] just when I thought I was getting somewhere, I have no sound [13:48] sorry works now [14:57] Hi All, anyone available to answer a newbie question on getting wireless working [14:57] i have been struggling with this issue for a week [15:26] hey ubuntu beginners - if anybody's home, I'm wondering how to create a start button for a program that requires a cli command to get it going [15:26] That's called a launcher [15:27] cool - are they hard to make? [15:27] What's the nature of this program? does it have a gui? [15:27] or does it run in a terminal? [15:27] yes - it's Truecrypt [15:27] it has a gui [15:27] Doesn't it already have a launcher then? [15:28] I was only able to find a .deb pkg for 6.0 and it only starts in the terminal, but then it's launced and up comes the gui [15:28] *launched [15:29] if you are using unity when you launch it right-click and select pint to launcher [15:29] right click where - just in the program itself? [15:29] the icon in the launcher on the right [15:30] *left [15:30] beachbuddah: what version of Ubuntu are you using? [15:30] ok gotcha, I'll give that a try [15:30] geirha: ha, you are correct [15:30] 12.04 [15:30] ok then that should work [15:30] fair enough - thak you for the assist [15:30] hi geirha , good to read you [15:31] hey :) [15:31] it didn't work, there was no option to pin it to the bar [15:32] beachbuddah: If you run dpkg -L truecrypt [15:32] does it list any files in /usr/share/applications? [15:33] no [15:34] Ok, well, to make your own launcher, there's two main ways. [15:34] k [15:34] One is to install alacarte and create it in there [15:34] the other is to create it manually with a regular text editor [15:34] alacarte - ok [15:35] hmm - I'm about technical enought o isntall alacarte [15:35] I'll give it a go, thanks [15:36] beachbuddah: might be cALLED 'lock to launcher' [15:37] For the latter approach, or if you're just curious, open one of the .desktop-files in /usr/share/applications/ in a regular text editor (such as gedit). [15:37] The format is fairly simple. [15:37] duanedesi1gn - oh - no there was only the name of the program and the option to quit [15:39] ok - just copy and paste and change the command to truecrypt? [15:41] Yes, and save to ~/.local/share/applications/truecrypt.desktop [15:42] (that's where alacarte will save it too) [15:43] ummm - where do I find ~/ [15:44] <----noob to filesystem here [15:44] ~ is your homedir [15:44] Hi guys, when I try to start guake at the CLI and do a & after like so: guake & it works fine BUT when I close the terminal window, the process ends. Why [15:44] ahh [15:45] StepNjump: Because the terminal sends SIGHUP to the shell, and the shell in turn sends SIGHUP to the child processes. [15:45] ah geirha [15:45] StepNjump: If you instead exit the shell, the shell will disown its children before exiting, and the terminal will exit when it's process exits. [15:46] e.g. by running exit or hitting Ctrl+d [15:46] Is there a way for it to not sigh [15:46] so it runs as a TSR? [15:46] You can also tell bash to disown the child process by using the disown command [15:46] guake & disown [15:46] TSR? [15:47] TSR like in Terminal stay resident [15:47] oh ok, well thank you very much geirha I appreciate it. I will try it now [15:48] I don't know what terminal stay resident means [15:48] Oh yes, it works fine! thanks a lot [15:48] oh it's a windows term sorry [15:48] It's the first time I ever disowned a child [15:48] Yet another option is to not run it in a terminal in the first place [15:49] Kind of feel bad about it lol [15:49] just Alt+F2 -> guake (no ampersand) [15:49] oh really ok! [15:49] Wow you know your stuff! [15:49] odd - the launcher exists and is now pinned to the taskbar, but the icon is the a question mark as opposed to the 'T' that was there when [15:50] I ran it through the terminal [15:50] beachbuddah: find the icon name, and set it as icon for the launcher [15:50] lemme try that [15:51] dpkg -L truecrypt | grep pixmaps [15:51] ahh tnks [15:51] if it says e.g. /usr/share/pixmaps/truecrypt.png, then just use Icon=truecrypt in the .desktop-file [15:53] It used to be easy to create launchers, but they removed that feature in 10.10 or so... for whatever reason. [15:55] the command returns nothing - no response - back to the prompt. Checking the file, there is no file - under any name - that resembles the truecrypt icon [15:55] Hm. So it doesn't install any icons probably [15:56] At least, not in the standard location [15:56] dpkg -L truecrypt | grep '\.png$' [15:56] fair enough - for an encryption program, maybe a grey question mark is appropriate, lol [15:56] haha [15:57] You can have a look in /usr/share/pixmaps, it should contain lots of icons. You might find a nice one :) [15:57] lol [15:59] dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument [16:01] yes, the syntax is dpkg -L packagename or dpkg --listfiles packagename [16:01] maybe geirha you can help me.. For the last few days, I start getting more and more spam in my kopete. People are trying to add me. Do you think one of my account such as msn might be compromized? [16:01] oh ok - sorry [16:01] StepNjump: No idea, sorry. I don't use such protocols. [16:03] is it safe geirha ? [16:04] Probably [16:04] Gosh Ubuntu works well.. I hope Windows 8 won't take over! darn bastards [16:06] I read they are trying to prevent us to install linux on the new hardware [16:06] do you think this will work? [16:08] They'll probably try, but it will either be stopped by a court, or the open source community will simply find a way to circumvent it [16:09] I hope so... I did the switch about 6 months ago and I absolutely love it [16:09] Lost too much time with Windoze crap [16:09] Lost most of my life with this piece of shit (please escuse my language) [16:15] geirha, I know the icon is in here somewhere, but I have no clue where. I give - I will live with the grey question mark [16:15] thank you for your help. [16:15] beachbuddah: dpkg -L truecrypt | grep -e '\.png$' -e '\.xpm$' [16:16] that should list any images that might be icons, installed by the truecrypt package. [17:22] hi all [17:23] i need help am i at the right place for getting help installing ubuntu ? [17:24] probably [17:24] !ask | Guest61222 [17:24] Guest61222: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [17:30] MB intel D875PBZ memory 1GB processor intel pentium 4 cpu 2.4 graphics vesa:nv44 board - p382h1 i get black screen after installing ubuntu 11.10 [17:44] no one answered [17:44] okay [17:44] Guest61222, the graphics works without a problem during installation? [17:44] Guest61222, and you used live installation? [17:45] i used usb and cd [17:45] and dvd for 12.04 LTS [17:47] graphics not working as normal i had to keep pressing arrow to get pink color and language option [18:07] Guys, I'm having a problem with flash player, it runs extremely slowly, any way to kill it and bring it back to life? [18:08] usually flash become slow when there is new version released but thats on windows no idea on linux to be honest [18:12] Hi,I have just installed version12.04,was using 11.10 earlier.I was able to increase/decrease brightness by using shift and +/- keys,how do I adjust brightness in version Ubuntu 12.04? [18:13] !patience | Guest61222 [18:13] Guest61222: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [18:15] Hi,I have just installed version12.04,was using 11.10 earlier.I was able to increase/decrease brightness by using shift and +/- keys,how do I adjust brightness in version Ubuntu 12.04? [18:15] !patience | harsh [18:15] harsh: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [18:19] for some reason Unity is not working for almost a week. I can't see Icons on left nor top menu icons, I can click in the same menu area and it shows Wifi ,./ clock/account drop down menus.. I reinstalled Unity and Compiz also reset. [18:25] WilsonBradley: i would make a new user and try there.. that'll tell you if its something in the config files [18:25] ok, i'll try that real quick. [18:51] holstein: I tried a new user [18:51] it seems to work [18:51] cool.. so you can stop reinstalling things... and thinking about a bug report [18:52] ok, how to go about [18:52] I get errors at log on [18:52] errors? or messages? [18:53] i get "output".. most of it can be safely ignored assuming all is good [18:53] pop up saying it crashed, do I want report [18:53] I have selected report [18:54] what crashed? === Guest61222 is now known as OnHaLT === Jacky is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jacky [21:13] hello world [21:13] im having a problem with my printer [21:14] hi anon ... ask away [21:14] trying to hplip to work but when i run hp-setup it cant find my printer [21:14] so ive been wandering around online and read that i should do hp-check -t [21:14] which i did and it is told me to run some commands to install some packages [21:15] so i did that [21:15] and when i try to run the packages it tells me there is an error with ecryptfs-utils [21:15] which i gather is the disk encryption tool [21:15] im running 10.04 [21:16] what is the general opinion? [21:17] ive been thinking i should just get the new ubuntu but i dunno if that will make any real difference [21:18] nlsthzn: do you know whats up? [21:19] anon: in my experience HP printers normally work right of the bat without any intervention needed... [21:19] but it has been a while since I used 10.04 [21:20] what make and model is the printer? [21:20] yeah i think maybe ill just upgrade and while im at it disable the encryption then hope for the best [21:21] not ideal if you don't know if it will fix the issue... [21:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrintersHp [21:21] yes i know [21:21] ok i will check this [21:21] thanks for the link Unit193 [21:22] Not sure how complete it is, but that and hplip should help [21:22] im positive it is somekind of conflict between the hplip packages and ecryptfs [21:22] i don't know if it is a bug or i have this setup in a strange way or what [21:25] I had 11.04 a while back on a different laptop and it was printing ok [21:25] i know that hplip supports this printer [22:12] anon, very unlikely that hplip would affect ecryptfs [22:28] After updating from 10.04 to 12.04 Beta my pc froze/locked. Also after updating to the latest version 2 days ago. Where/how do I start trying to solve this ? [22:29] E3D3, so are you backed up on the 10.04 before the upgrade? [22:30] preferably a clone really [22:31] No, only personal data & most important configs [22:31] E3D3, so where are you at now does it boot, a little more of this info helps. [22:34] it is easier if we know what freeze and locked means at this point [22:34] I'm now running Crunchbang. Ubuntu boots very slow but okay. After some time using it freezes. I waited for the finished 12.04 release and hoped an update would repair the problem. [22:35] E3D3, have you from a recovery cli run a update & upgrade? Or used the fix packages o[ption in the recovery gui? [22:35] The only thing that seems to respond is the mouse, the cursor moves but I can't click and nothing responds. [22:37] I know nothing about a recovery cli. I can't open shell or other stuff so I wait and finally reboot with the power-button. [22:39] E3D3, in the grub menu the second kernel stanza is a recovery boot this takes you to a gui with choices. [22:39] Haha, after all those years ignoring those lines did I forgot it. Sorry. [22:41] I never used it, only remove it sometimes from Grub-menu's. I'll read about it and/or try that. Sorry again. [22:43] Bye and thanks. [22:45] E3D3, no problem hard to say whether this will fix it but where I would probably start if me. This lts upgrade from what I have read is intended for the 12.04.1 in I think 30 days afer release. [22:46] I did upgrade a 11.10 with only one apparent problem, runs a little strange at times though. [22:47] Hi folks, I'm having trouble when I close the lid on my laptop and reopen it, it can't reconnect to my wireless connection === jacky is now known as JackyAlcine [23:27] How do you get to the menu with only keys in U12.04? === JackyAlcine is now known as jacky === jalcine is now known as jacky [23:40] Okay, super (im)press(ive) shows Super-A = apps, trial & error instead of docs learned that arrow-keys are fastest. If my system don't freeze than I'm done here. Bye & good luck === jacky is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as jacky