[08:34] <nperry> hai o/
[09:10] <dwatkins> moin moin
[09:18] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:31] <SuperEngineer> whoopee - that's both netbooks now updated to 12.04 [1 with both Ubuntu *and* Xubuntu] me chuffed
[09:32] <SuperEngineer> well done folks on the "upgrdateablility"
[09:32] <SuperEngineer> [my word for update/upgrade]
[09:34] <AlanBell> popey: morning
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning everyone.
[09:38]  * TheOpenSourcerer is doing his expenses...
[09:39]  * nperry submits all my bills to TheOpenSourcerer 
[09:50] <popey> morning chaps
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> yo popey
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Get home OK
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> ?
[09:52] <popey> yeah
[09:53] <popey> walked from ash vale station to my house
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did Dave enjoy the evening?
[09:53] <popey> yes, he did
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great.
[09:53] <popey> thanks ☺
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> NP
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Whatever happened to christel ?
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> If anyone is bored, this is just amazing: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150520871048367&set=a.174547263366.126402.159936428366&type=1&theater
[10:11] <czajkowski> have just made yummy french toast and grilled some bacon
[10:11] <czajkowski> good start to the day
[10:18] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:27] <antiquecode> Upgraded the laptop to 12.04 without many issues
[10:27] <antiquecode> I did get one crash, but I think that's hardware related.  Sometimes the CPU overheats.
[10:41]  * StevenR waits impatiently for the mythbox to finish upgrading
[10:42] <StevenR> there's just no progress bar. I can see apt doing stuff, but the cli release upgrady thing has no progress bar
[10:42] <StevenR> yum is so much better in that respect (count of items to go)
[10:43] <StevenR> the download bit has a progress and such, but once the actual upgrade starts? no idea how far
[10:43] <zleap> yeah,  i remember using yum based distribution briefly
[10:44] <StevenR> that's actually the only thing I've found with apt that has made me sad so far. (I actually botched an ubuntu upgrade once because the machine crashed, and apt was able to put everything back together)
[10:45] <zleap> thats good
[10:45] <StevenR> that was maverick -> oneiric I think.
[10:46] <zleap> i think its very rare you should need to do a re-install of ubuntu or any linux based system as a good OS should not break to the point of needing it
[10:46] <StevenR> left this laptop on overnight and came back in the morning to "OK. I'm done. Reboot me and see if Precise works"
[10:48] <StevenR> and apart from the icons all changing (quickly rectified using xfce control center), everything still works. Firefox session came back with all my windows and tabs. everything.
[12:24] <penguin42> hmm, I think the entire planet is downloading from gb.archive
[12:25] <Nafallo> that box can't deal with the entire planet.
[12:27] <penguin42> I suspect it's the network rather than the box - are there any bandwidth graphs public?
[12:27] <Nafallo> not for that box, no.
[12:27] <Nafallo> I suspect it's the box rather than the network though.
[12:28] <Nafallo> it's the first day of the weekend after release.
[12:28] <penguin42> nod
[12:28] <Nafallo> it's quite likely you're not the only one trying to get to it ;-)
[12:28] <penguin42> as I said, the entire planet
[12:29] <Nafallo> that's waaay more people than you actually mean.
[12:29] <Myrtti> pah. installing Debian on the Viglen MPC-L was disappointingly easy in comparison to installing Lucid two years ago
[12:29] <Nafallo> go use a different mirror or something ;-)
[12:29] <Myrtti> no challenge at all.
[12:29] <penguin42> Nafallo: No, I've seen what happens when the entire planet tries to get to a site
[12:30] <Myrtti> didn't need chrooting or anything
[12:30] <Nafallo> well, in this case the box can handle a few thousand requests. not trillions :-P
[12:30] <StevenR> hrrm. my lucid VM doesn't see the new release :S
[12:31] <Myrtti> StevenR: do-release-upgrade sees the .1 release
[12:31] <StevenR> ahh
[12:31] <penguin42> Nafallo: How much of it does it manage to service from RAM?
[12:31] <StevenR> fair enough. Thanks (it's up to date security wise anyway) :)
[12:32] <Nafallo> penguin42: not the entire dataset
[12:33] <penguin42> Nafallo: Yeh, as soon as you start seeking on disk you've lost I guess
[12:33] <Nafallo> partly, but I guess most of the frequent files would get cached.
[12:33] <Nafallo> I can't remember the specs of that box.
[12:34] <Nafallo> but! that mirror usually flatlines before it goes insanely busy.
[12:39] <nperry> even archive.ubuntu.com is slowly grinding to a halt.
[12:42] <penguin42> it would be kind of interesting to see vmstat/sar graphs off a box like that
[12:42] <Nafallo> penguin42: for the bigger ones, when they flatline... they do ~1 loadavg.
[12:45] <penguin42> Nafallo: Right, but load is a very coarse measure; things like %sys/user/wait and interrupt rates are more interesting to see what the actual limit is
[12:47] <Nafallo> *shrugs*
[12:47] <Nafallo> they handle their links without breaking a sweat...
[12:59]  * StevenR leaves the precise b2 VM alone to upgrade itself
[13:01] <Wobbo> LibreOffice 3.5 has a problem. Since Ubuntu 12.04 I can't open my documents anymore. I have  tried and checked my documents (.odt) on a USB (fat). A Ubuntu 11.04 (64bit) LibreOffice 3.3 and Ubuntu 11.10 (64bit) LibreOffice 3.4 have had no problems. What to do? I need to work further with my thesis essay...
[13:08] <Wobbo> I have also tryde to open the same document on another Ubuntu 12.04 (Virtual) but stil can't open all documents (the are alle above 3MB) on LibreOffice 3.5.
[13:13] <penguin42> Wobbo: What happens when you try and open them?
[13:20] <Wobbo> penguin42: Pop-up
[13:20] <penguin42> and what does the popup say?
[13:21] <Wobbo> lol
[13:21] <Wobbo> translating text to UK
[13:22] <Wobbo> Ok: Problem in reading. Error reading file.
[13:23] <penguin42> hmm, that's not very detailed is it - hmm
[13:24] <Wobbo> Nope...
[13:24] <penguin42> Wobbo: I wonder if the problem is libreoffice or the problem is reading your USB thumb; what happens if you copy the file from your thumb drive to your home directory?
[13:26] <Wobbo> Same problems, even other documents for example things from http://one.ubuntu.com/ has the same problems.
[13:27] <penguin42> hmm
[13:28] <penguin42> Wobbo: If you try opening it from a command line by doing something like      soffice filename     what diagnostics do you get?
[13:37] <Wobbo> Starting it on my Terminal, it won't give anything extra...
[13:39] <penguin42> Wobbo: What version of libreoffice-core package do you have?
[13:41] <penguin42> Wobbo: It's just I notice there is a libre-office package set in the precise-proposed repo, which suggests there is a fix just around the corner (It's downloading for me at the moment, but being held up by the servers being slow)
[13:48] <Wobbo> Ok.
[13:49] <Wobbo> At the momend I have “libreoffice-core 1:3.5.2-2ubuntu1”
[13:54] <Guest64555> hello Iḿ  Paul and this is my first time using IRC.   I have been using Ubuntu , Natty, Lucid and 11.10 for
[13:55] <Guest64555> hello
[13:55] <popey> HI
[13:55] <Guest64555> trying to get he hang of IRC
[13:56] <Laney> hi there
[13:56] <Laney> bye :(
[14:00] <penguin42> Guest64555: Hi, so choose a nickname!
[14:04] <penguin42> Wobbo: OK there is a ...ubuntu3 version in the proposed repo, it's just installing for me at the moment, I'll see if it says what it's supposed to fix
[14:07] <Guest64555> hi can anyone help with wireless problems ?
[14:08] <Guest64555> iḿ using adell vostro1520 notebook.  Its dualbooted with vista and ubuntu 11.10
[14:09] <Guest64555> i can connect wireless on vista but no luck wih ubuntu
[14:15] <Searcher> i can connect wired but not wirelessly
[14:15] <Wobbo> penguin42: I am pre-updating.
[14:18] <Searcher> I hae a Broasdcom STA proprietary driver installed and activated but i cant connect wirelessly
[14:21] <Searcher> SOS                                                                                           SOS                                                           SOS                                                                             SOS                                                                                                              SOS
[14:25] <marxjohnson> Due to some unfortunate partitioning choices I made a few years ago, I need to copy my home and root partitions to a server with all permissions intact, and copy them back after repartitioning. I'm trying to do so with rsync, but most of the folders seem to end up being owned by root instead of (insert User ID here) i'm using the options -avXAH, should I be adding another flag?
[14:27] <penguin42> Wobbo: Can you check that you have the libreoffice-base package installed
[14:29] <oimon> why does the language packs part of the 12.04 install take so long?
[14:30] <Searcher> > Wobo , I have it installed
[14:31] <oimon> anyone had issues preserving their /home partition on 12.04 upgrade? it wanted to force me to choose encrypted home even though i wasn't formatting /home
[14:32] <Wobbo> penguin42: Only libreoffice-base-core
[14:33] <penguin42> Wobbo: My reading of the bug is that installing libreoffice-base might fix it
[14:36] <Wobbo> penguin42: Thanks, the pre-update solved the problem!
[14:36] <penguin42> good
[14:36] <penguin42> Wobbo: Interesting thesis?
[14:37] <Searcher> sorry guys got my wires crossed there
[14:39] <Wobbo> Of course, i am making it! LoL
[14:41] <Searcher> tryying to resolve a wireless issue with Broadcom driver.  i can connect wirellessly  on vista but not Ubuntu
[14:45] <oimon> which card Searcher?
[14:45] <Searcher> broadcom  sta thanks
[14:48] <Wobbo> penguin42: I am almost finished in my last Year on Amsterdam University of Applied Sciences doing Communication and Multimedia Design.
[14:48] <penguin42> Wobbo: Cool
[14:50] <Wobbo> penguin42: Thanks for solving the LibreOffice error!
[14:51] <penguin42> Wobbo: No problem
[14:52] <Wobbo> Bye bye
[15:45] <penguin42> hmph, wine seems to ignore the parallel option in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS
[15:57] <popey> jpds / Nafallo where does one file a bug against an ubuntu mirror?
[15:59] <Nafallo> popey: what mirror, and what is the problem with it?
[16:00] <penguin42> winehq suggests sudo apt-get build-dep wine1.4:i386  to get 386 build-deps, but that just complains for me that Unable to find a source package for wine1.4:386
[16:02] <Nafallo> hmm. I should get a dock for my mobile so I can have it in the office proper.
[16:02] <popey> Nafallo: http://mirror.sov.uk.goscomb.net/ubuntu/dists/
[16:03] <popey> missing precise
[16:03] <popey> but has quantal
[16:03] <Nafallo> ah. goscomb...
[16:03] <Nafallo> hrm
[16:03] <Nafallo> popey: dang @ quakenet ;-)
[16:04] <Nafallo> unless he's on facebook...
[16:05] <Nafallo> he is
[16:05] <Nafallo> popey: consider it reported :-)
[16:05] <popey> ta
[16:10] <Nafallo> popey: it's there, but forbidden.
[16:10] <Nafallo> popey: try now
[16:13] <popey> yay
[16:36] <zleap> hi all
[16:37] <Nafallo> popey: where can I buy a pack of sporks?
[16:37] <Nafallo> popey: I'm bored of having to bring one fork and one spoon for all the things I eat :-P
[16:38] <gord> sporks are a terrible invention, just wait till my new invention arrives, it will throw the entire spork industry on its head. "chop-sporks"
[16:39] <penguin42> gord: Now, do you mean a combination chop-stick spork, or do you mean a combination knife-spork?
[16:39] <Nafallo> gord: I don't want to wait...
[16:41] <directhex> for our lives to be over
[16:41] <directhex> i want to know right now
[16:41] <directhex> what will it beeeeeeeeeee
[16:41] <directhex> i don't want to wait
[16:41] <directhex> for our lives to be over
[16:41] <directhex> will it be yes or will it be.... sorryyyyyyyyyyyyy
[16:41] <popey> oooookay
[16:43]  * penguin42 notes the wikipedia page on spork is as normal amazingly detailed
[16:44] <popey> unclyclopedia page on sporks is comprehensive
[16:45] <Nafallo> popey: has any of the normal cutlery places got them?
[16:46] <Nafallo> popey: asda? tesco? waitrose?
[16:47] <penguin42> oh, I'd love to watch you go into Asda and ask a member of staff for a Spork
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> I'm getting hungry!  heads for smoked mackeral, chips & peas; tails for liver, chips & peas?  Someone toss a vitual coin for me please.
[16:47] <Nafallo> penguin42: ah. you have to ask for them?
[16:48] <penguin42> Nafallo: Well, I doubt they have any, but I just want to see what their reaction is when they ask
[16:48] <penguin42> Nafallo: I don't think Sporks are illicit (hey bud, got a spork?)
[16:48] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Liver
[16:49] <popey> no idea Nafallo
[16:50] <Nafallo> popey: wow. is this the first time I asked you something you didn't know about? I think it might be...
[16:50] <popey> well
[16:50] <popey> i would buy from amazon tbh ☺
[16:50] <Nafallo> oooh
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: liver it is then ☺
[16:51] <penguin42> there seem to be some fairly lame sporks that just have a spoon on one end and a fork on the other and real sporks that have combined things with one handle
[16:52] <directhex> i need to clean out my chinchillas. i hate cleaning out my chinchillas.
[16:52] <Nafallo> popey: thanks for the hint :-)
[17:11] <brobostigon> what is the package name, for the gui to configure adobe flash that is in 12.04, i cant find it, on packages.ubuntu.com
[17:11] <brobostigon> ?
[17:12] <DJones> !flash
[17:12] <brobostigon> i have that already, that is not the issue.
[17:12] <brobostigon> that wasnt what i asked.
[17:12] <DJones> brobostigon: That may help, suggests its part of ubuntu-restricted-extras on 32 bit and flashplugin-installer
[17:13] <brobostigon> DJones: ah, i see.
[17:13] <DJones> Does looking at those help finding the package though
[17:13] <brobostigon> let me look.
[17:14] <DJones> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=flashplugin&searchon=names&suite=oneiric&section=all May help
[17:15] <brobostigon> :)
[17:17] <alebuntu> Hello worldbuntu. I am installing ubuntu 11.10 in a old machine. In the second screen of " Preparing to install ubuntu" the continue button is disabled. Is tha because of the machine?Thank you.
[17:18] <brobostigon> DJones: i can find any speific package reference, it must be part of that package,
[17:18] <brobostigon> cant*
[17:19] <DJones> brobostigon: Right, not sure what the gui configiguration would be called though
[17:19] <brobostigon> DJones: me neither, but it is there, i have seen it.
[17:20] <It>  /server irc.swiftirc.net
[17:20] <DJones> alebuntu: Are there any questions on the screen that need boxes to be ticked that haven't been?
[17:21] <alebuntu> Hi. I am installing ubuntu 11.10 in a old machine. In the second screen of " Preparing to install ubuntu" the continue button is disabled. Does someone know this problem?
[17:22] <alebuntu> No. i marked download updates while installing and use third packages for mp3.
[17:22] <DJones> Is it this window http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.posterous.com/rgolwalkar/3jLlGFrBd6pGrXQ0PRkQTrulzeo76kFPV9GYJXeHysL6e9B1YyIoDOX9yGvX/1_Install.png.scaled.1000.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJFZAE65UYRT34AOQ&Expires=1335634029&Signature=Y24I7OMLCwOZbzrH3WbD2jSxfps%3D
[17:23] <alebuntu> yes
[17:23] <DJones> I'll see if I can find anything, does the machine have the 4.4GB available and is connected to the internet
[17:24] <alebuntu> It is connected to the internet but it has windows installed in it. I want the install cd to format it and get the space needed while installing.
[17:26] <alebuntu> the computer was too slow with windows because of viruses and i am trying to fiz the problem installin linux
[17:26] <alebuntu> fix*
[17:27] <DJones> What machine is it? The only similar thing I can see is for an Eee PC 701
[17:28] <directhex> moo. /me moos
[17:28] <alebuntu> its Lg machine with ASUS motherboard
[17:29] <DJones> I'm afraid I'm at a loss, its not something I've come across before, but maybe somebody else is arund that can help
[17:30] <alebuntu> roger that
[17:31] <penguin42> alebuntu: How old is the machine?
[17:32] <alebuntu> 5 years to more
[17:34] <penguin42> what CPU and how much RAM?
[17:34] <gpd> is it normal for 10.04 lts upgrade to have to go via all steps to get to 12.04 lts?
[17:35] <penguin42> gpd: I think the upgrade will only present you with the full upgrade LTS-XLTS when it gets to 12.04.1
[17:35] <penguin42> gpd: Lets it spot any nasties before the LTS people get pushed to upgrade
[17:35] <gpd> penguin42: hmm - sounds familiar
[17:35] <alebuntu> the computer has no indications outside it, but it is that model with the flatron ez t710sh monitor.
[17:35] <gpd> oh well - this could take longer than i thought
[17:35] <Nafallo> gpd: if your config is set to normal, then yes...
[17:35] <DJones> gpd: As penguin42 said, thats how I understand it as well
[17:36] <Nafallo> gpd: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[17:36] <gpd> Nafallo: crap - i even changed it to normal - as per the page i was reading
[17:36] <penguin42> gpd: Anyway, it's not a bad idea to go one step at a time
[17:37] <Nafallo> gpd: if you want to jump to 12.04 early, I suppose do-release-upgrade -d will do what you want.
[17:37] <Nafallo> penguin42: if it's a live server it sounds like a massively bad idea to do 4 release upgrades instead of one...
[17:37] <DJones> gpd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuServer#From_10.04_to_12.04
[17:37] <Nafallo> downtime is not awesome to have
[17:38] <DJones> Although that is talking about the server edition
[17:38] <alebuntu> ok but the machine is windows xp\
[17:38] <Nafallo> that said. I've done four or five of 10.04 to 12.04 upgrades myself without much trouble.
[17:38] <penguin42> Nafallo: True, I just reckon on each small step as being a little less dangerous than doing one big update, although any nasty bugs in the intermediate ones won't have been fixed
[17:39] <Nafallo> penguin42: I would reckon it's more dangerous actually.
[17:39] <Nafallo> *shrugs*
[17:39] <penguin42> fair enough
[17:39] <Nafallo> lots more moving parts
[17:39] <Nafallo> four package upgrades instead of one...
[17:39] <Nafallo> yeah, no. I wouldn't recommend that.
[17:39] <Laney> you still need to do-release-upgrade -d until .1 comes out
[17:39] <gpd> well i'm stuck in the middle now - 10.10 - so no longer a choice. :)
[17:39] <Laney> there is no need to go via all intermediate releases ...
[17:39] <DJones> gpd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_10.04_LTS_to_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS Found that one
[17:40] <Laney> yeah, that wiki page says it
[17:42] <gpd> the added complication on one of my servers is that i need it to run MythTV - any idea if this is now stable on 12.04?
[17:42] <gpd> [loaded question]
[17:42] <penguin42> gpd: Not tried it, but I did read something about a version change requiring changing clients - can't remember where I saw that though
[17:43] <gpd> seems to be 0.25 - which is the new stable version
[17:48] <It> [NPO]It Hz
[17:49] <directhex> gpd: no. what did you configure as your upgrade path in the software sources window? it has three options - don't show upgrades, show full, or show lts->lts
[17:49] <[NPO]It> server irc/
[17:50] <Laney> argh
[17:50] <Laney> who invented floating eyes >:|
[17:52] <penguin42> ?
[17:53] <penguin42> wow, the package I uploaded to my ppa has already started building - I'd assumed the backlog on ppa's at this time in a release would have been weeks
[17:54] <Nafallo> haha
[17:54] <Nafallo> priorities probably
[17:55] <Laney> nah it's quiet: https://launchpad.net/builders
[17:56] <Nafallo> oh. the floodgates didn't open yet?
[17:56] <Laney> release isn't open no, but that doesn't share the ppa builders anyway
[17:56] <Nafallo> hrm
[17:59] <penguin42> normally at release everyone goes and ppa's their favorite bug
[18:07] <It> How do i change me name?
[18:07] <brobostigon>  /nick newnick
[18:07] <Laney> /nick myshinynewnamehere
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> what are you all doing online!  Dr. Who - Stolen Planet on BBC3!
[18:08] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: i am watching that amazing ep, also, :)
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon: 10/10
[18:08] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: agreed.
[18:08] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: and rose, with a big gun,
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:34] <andresmp> hello!
[18:47] <SuperEngineer> ...to...be...continued... doh!
[19:18] <penguin42> ppa. actually has some bandwidth :-)
[19:27] <ed87654> hi
[19:27] <ed87654> I have to laptops
[19:27] <ed87654> one is xp, other lubuntu, both have wireless cards in them (d link g650)
[19:28] <ed87654> lubuntu also has a 3g usb dongle connected
[19:28] <ed87654> how do I configure lubuntu to allow my xp laptop to connect to lubuntu via wireless and use yhat
[19:29] <ed87654> that 3g dongle internet connection?
[19:31] <tombrough> you might want to read up on shorewall and install that.
[19:33] <ed87654> ok thanks
[19:37] <pawel_> zzz
[20:27] <zleap> tombrough,
[21:04] <popey> evening all
[21:04] <gpd> many hours later -- still upgrading... looks totally broken:
[21:05] <gpd> init: Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job
[21:19] <zleap> evening
[21:32] <bigcalm_laptop> Evening peeps :)
[21:36] <popey> pip pip bigcalm_laptop
[21:37] <bigcalm_laptop> Howdy mr popey
[21:37] <bigcalm_laptop> What am I missing while visiting my parents?
[21:39] <bigcalm_laptop> Haha
[21:39] <bigcalm_laptop> I just got an email because you mentioned me while I am not connected to the irssi-proxy
[21:39] <bigcalm_laptop> How cool is that?
[21:46] <bigcalm_laptop> I see that my screen still does a double flash upon pressing print screen
[22:34] <bigcalm_laptop> night peeps
[22:43] <popey> 13
[22:43] <popey> bah!
[22:43] <Nafallo> popey: go.pl
[22:43] <hamitron> na, 17