[22:23] <kjcole> Stepping away til 6:30 showtime.
[22:25] <ghoulmann> ghoulmann is rik goldman.
[22:28] <ghoulmann> ^ for the log
[22:32] <kjcole> And, I'm back.
[22:32] <ghoulmann> greets.
[22:33] <ghoulmann> I'll have to run soon, but i want to thank sincerely the loco for the support for the release party, moral and otherwise.
[22:33] <kjcole> I suppose, for the log, I should also identify. Not certain if it's worth much but it can't hurt.
[22:33]  * kjcole is Kevin Cole
[22:35] <kjcole> I was so hoping that jelkner would be on, since he said he'd be running this meeting...  I'm going to operate on the assumption he'll get here soon.
[22:35] <kjcole> (I'll try calling.  BRB)
[22:36] <ghoulmann> this is something i've been working toward scripting from a lts core (turnkey linux for me): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/EdubuntuServer
[22:37] <kjcole> I just left a message.
[22:37] <ghoulmann> the launchpad link is dead, so I suspect it's not a priority any longer.
[22:38] <kjcole> ghoulmann you have photos from today, yes?  Are you on Flickr?
[22:39] <ghoulmann> kjcole: I do have a few (the photographer in me is embarassed). I will post to flickr and update on the listserv.
[22:40] <ghoulmann> phone quality, so my promise is weak.
[22:40] <kjcole> ghoulmann, I should have taken some myself (not that I'm any great shakes  with a camera).  Or, perhaps I *am* great shakes but that's *not* a good thing for photography.
[22:41]  * ghoulmann nods in understanding.
[22:42] <kjcole> I guess I'll hang for another 10 minutes or so, and if there's no action here, declare it "adjourned".
[22:42] <ghoulmann> fair enough. I'd love to see us crowd source a post install script that newkins can run and have everything they need, given how available storage is now.
[22:44] <ghoulmann> another activity: if we could take shifts on the support channels, it may be becoming for us.
[22:46] <kjcole> I find personally, that even after many years, I'm asking more questions than I answer on IRC, and I still am not enthralled with lots of simultaneous conversations. That said, yeah, I could probably put in some hours.
[22:46] <kjcole> My mind's a sieve: IEP software name again?
[22:46] <ghoulmann> I could make time somewhere. possibly incorporate it into instruction.
[22:47] <ghoulmann> iep-ipp. ISO should be on http://9while9.com (based on lucid)
[22:48] <ghoulmann> the patch is also available at the forums @ http://turnkeylinux.org
[22:49] <emaag> greets
[22:49] <kjcole> Jeff Elkner left Yorktown a few years ago to work at the Arlington Career Center, and is also doing work with Northern VA Community College.  I imagine he'll want to convert the whole beastie to Python.  Possibly Django.
[22:50] <kjcole> Ah, another voice heard from.  Welcome.  FWIW, we're doing the whole "/me is So and So" for the logs.
[22:50] <ghoulmann> also to plant a seed for ed tech folks: I'd like to put together a paper on using svn or git as a writing process tool.
[22:51] <kjcole> ghoulmann: What??? Not bzr???  ;-)
[22:51] <ghoulmann> I see; i haven't figured out ubuntu fhs standards for python web apps, so that leaves me with little to contribute.
[22:51] <ghoulmann> i associate bzr with people i am unhappy to know.
[22:51] <kjcole> FHS?
[22:52] <ghoulmann> filesystem hierarchy standard
[22:52] <kjcole> Ah.
[22:52] <ghoulmann> where to put the pages if not in /usr/share/ or /var/www
[22:53] <kjcole> I was a latecomer to revision control systems.  At an Ubuntu Developer's Summit I saw an early version of bzr and said "Oh! Not at all as complicated as I thought!  I could use that."  So that's really been the only one I've used (other than pulling from git or svn repositories elsewhere).
[22:54] <kjcole> I *did* finally get a small taste of contributing via git, through the Open Hatch on Campus event at U. Md. last month.
[22:55] <ghoulmann> i know at least one person is onto revision tracking for writing composition. I want to present something somewhere as soon as possible. Two excellent books, both from pragmatic guides, one to subversion and one on git.
[22:56] <kjcole> ghoulmann you may want to look at Open Hatch if you haven't already: http://openhatch.org/
[22:56] <ghoulmann> move peer review and feedback to bug tracking system, and you have a nice writing process program in place.
[22:56] <ghoulmann> i sure will.
[22:57] <ghoulmann> looks great.
[22:57] <kjcole> I use bzr to track my office's web pages, and now to track my Django stuff as well.
[22:58] <ghoulmann> hm, i'll track a primer down.
[22:58] <kjcole> So, emaag, thoughts on how to build a loco?
[22:59] <ghoulmann> i'll forward info about byte back's community day to the listserv. they're looking for 45 minutes of instruction from volunteers.
[22:59] <ghoulmann> (in brookland)
[22:59] <kjcole> bzr primer? http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/tutorials/bzr-intro.html
[22:59] <ghoulmann> hey look, a contribution.
[23:00] <ghoulmann> oh, 2006. still, kudos.
[23:00] <kjcole> And very basic. If you're already using svn and / or git with any fluency, you'll find the bzr primer VERY superficial.
[23:01] <ghoulmann> i am not using either with proficiency, just pulling for automating patches as necessary.
[23:01] <ghoulmann> bzr i associate exclusively with python webapps, for better or worse.
[23:02] <kjcole> Oh, then you'll definitely get some use from the primer.  A more thorough treatment can be had at:
[23:03] <kjcole> the resources listed at the end of my primer.  (I was going to type the urls, and then thought "no. Wait. I probably already did in the primer.")
[23:04] <ghoulmann> yup, saw them there. bookmarked.
[23:04] <ghoulmann> ok, gotta run, my record ended.
[23:04] <kjcole> Well, it looks like this "meeting" is you and I.   In which case, I'm thinking of wandering off to dinner. ;-)
[23:04] <ghoulmann> g'night. thanks again.
[23:04] <kjcole> Two minds with but one thought.
[23:04] <kjcole> Later dude.
[23:04] <ghoulmann> ciao.