[06:39] Good morning. [06:44] ello [06:52] Howdy, a new face, when did you start coming here? [06:52] ag, i pop onto irc one every 6 months for a few days [06:53] Cool [06:55] This channel is normally pretty quite, now there lots of peeps === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] [12:11] afternoon all [12:33] hi magespawn [12:33] hey superfly [12:35] busy watching this in youtube quite interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UghlW1TsMA&feature=youtube_gdata [12:53] hacking in the 80's and 90's [12:54] magespawn: looks interesting... will have to watch it when junior isn't watching a movie next to me [12:55] ahh the kids. fish one use to fall asleep in my lap while I was playing starcraft [12:55] 300 baud modems [12:56] 5 1/2 inch floppies [13:05] superfly what would you use to encrypt email [13:05] or files [13:06] IIRC you can use PGP or GnuPG [13:13] when I found out what that means I thought it was quite funny [13:33] o00o, interesting watch: http://www.thefilterbubble.com/ted-talk [13:58] this sort of thing has been going on since we started looking for information [13:59] you must learn to get rid of your own patterns [14:00] now it happens automatically bit like the the tv remote control [14:01] not really a bit fan of the facebook timelinehave missed things from friends who are not that active [14:01] big [14:16] magespawn: i also use gpg or sometimes bcrypt (blowfish) [14:16] cool why change from one to the other? [14:17] they both support symmetric passphrase-based encryption for files but i'm quite interested to know which one is more secure [14:17] a video on how to use vim for those who do not know http://www.everymanit.com/2010/09/15/vim-for-file-editing/ [14:18] gpg also supports ppk (asymmetric) encryption [14:18] gpg supports a lot more encryption options than bcrypt [14:18] be interesting to find out, i need one that will run on different platforms [14:18] yeah it's much more advanced, you can have a keyring etc [14:18] there in gpg / pgp pretty much everywhere [14:19] bcrypt is simple and afaik quite secure but limited in terms of functionality [14:19] magespawn: gpg is cross-platform, not sure of bcrypt [14:19] but blowfish is pretty popular so i assume it would be too [14:19] blowfish isn't that popular these days, but it isn't signidficantly broken [14:20] blowfish usually gets used for backend purposes, very rarely by normal users [14:20] no support for windows but will run in cygwin [14:20] only reason i use and know about it is because it is my job (software development) [14:20] tumbleweed do you use one? [14:21] http://codahale.com/how-to-safely-store-a-password/ [14:21] these days, you'd usually use AES [14:21] sorry i lie there is a windows binary for blowfish [14:21] magespawn: gpg, we use gpg signatures to authenticate debian & ubuntu uploads [14:21] depends on the purpose, bcrypt is super efficient for symmetric key encryption [14:22] magespawn: blowfish is just a cipher, you'll find implementations for it everywhere [14:22] but... if you need PPK you need to go AES [14:22] e.g. it's one of the many supported by gpg [14:22] charlvn: AES is a symmetric cipher [14:22] just like blowfish [14:23] just checked on the wikipedia, that's indeed correct, not sure why i thought otherwise [14:23] is it possible to break the encryption? practically speaking? [14:24] everything is possible, depends on the computing resources you have at your disposal [14:24] no known way. Usually any attacks go through side channels or implementation mistakes [14:25] right thanks a lot guys, i have to take kids home now, will see you all a bit later [14:26] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/ [14:27] lol while searching for that link i found this: http://en.shiapost.com/?p=2260 [14:36] afternoon superfly and others [14:36] hi Kilos [14:36] just popped in for coffee [14:36] hi there charlvn [14:36] afternoon Kilos [14:36] Maaz, coffee on [14:36] * Maaz washes some mugs [14:38] wiped xubuntu off 6g drive and installed natty and without updating have been installing everything from saved natty archives with gdebi [14:38] what a job [14:39] superfly: here's the problem i'm having with VB http://i.imgur.com/doZOK.png [14:40] charlvn: it gave me that message, and then I went and switched on 3D acceleration, and I have full Gnome 3 [14:40] s/3/Shell/ [14:40] ok lemme try that.. hold on [14:40] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [14:41] Maaz, ty [14:41] You are welcome Kilos [14:41] but, I'm not a Gnomer, so I don't know anything more than what I did [14:41] lol [14:41] charlvn: also, my Gnome 3 was in Debian, so it may differ from Ubuntu [14:42] this is on fedora core [14:42] and Fedora :-) [14:42] in principle it shouldn't matter unless there is some strange driver problem [14:42] yeah [14:43] weird, enabled 3d acceleration in the virtual machine settings [14:44] but it still doesn't work [14:44] charlvn: did you shut the machine down and restart it? [14:44] yeah of course [14:44] very strange [14:44] charlvn: I presume you also have the guest utils installed? [14:45] no this is booting from the live cd, so i think that must be the problem [14:46] ok lemme do an install and get the drivers in there [14:50] bbl [14:50] i never understand why they hide the install option under system tools [14:50] lol [14:50] you would think they would make it simpler [14:50] yeah weird [14:55] fedora, wtf srsly === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [14:55] hold on [14:56] installer started complaining that the installation media is corrupt - then did a md5sum and the .iso is perfect [14:56] hit retry, continued working [14:59] superfly, i did apt-get update without internet connection. and saw it said failed to get to a whole lotta sites. can i give those links to ian and will he be able to get the security updates etc. here is a sample link [14:59] whew [14:59] http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security InRelease [14:59] Kilos: no, those won't work [14:59] or wont a browser go there [14:59] aw [15:00] Kilos: they aren't links [15:00] so its gotta be done throught apt-get then ? [15:00] sigh [15:01] lol http://i.imgur.com/meI3K.png [15:01] yes [15:01] ok serves me right for using fedora :P [15:01] (and complaining about it on an ubuntu channel of all things) [15:01] lol [15:02] ty superfly [15:02] charlvn, you also chasing gnome? [15:03] Kilos: yes and not catching up to it apparently ;) [15:03] ha ha ha [15:03] at least im not alone [15:04] maybe ill go kubuntu [15:04] charlvn: from what I've heard, Gnome Shell is in 12.04, it's just not installed by default [15:04] +1 [15:04] yes it's the gnome-shell package [15:04] then the fly will go gray quick [15:04] i installed that yesterday inside vmware and it worked perfectly [15:04] Kilos: no more than I already am :-P [15:04] lol [15:04] i should try inside ubuntu now [15:05] s/ubuntu/virtualbox/ [15:05] superfly, you gray already? [15:05] Kilos: no, and I won't before a long time [15:05] ah [15:06] charlvn, http://www.filiwiese.com/installing-gnome-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ [15:07] Kilos: ah interesting, very interesting [15:07] i think i did it wrong then [15:07] because i never sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 [15:07] ah [15:07] ok gonna try it a bit later, thanks [15:07] good luck [15:07] and you shouldn't... one should steer clear of unofficial repositories [15:08] charlvn, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/ [15:09] if that works i will go 12.04 when i get a cd [15:09] superfly: i think there is room for unofficial repos, but as always, caution should be applied [15:09] superfly: the only ppa i'm using at the moment is for exfat http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6537878/how-to-mount-a-exfat-partition-in-ubuntu-11-04 [15:10] charlvn: yeah, the problem is that PPA's are becoming so "mainstream" that people are throwing caution to the wind [15:10] charlvn: I maintain a PPA ;-) [15:10] (two, technically) [15:10] yeah that's probably true [15:10] but most people are pushing for features, not for stability [15:10] ya [15:11] that's why lots of people moved away from debian and centos [15:11] * superfly is sorta in the process of getting his software into Debian, and thus Ubuntu, so that there will be no need for PPAs [15:11] when i first saw people running fedora on a server i freaked (this was many years ago) [15:12] charlvn: I'd still freak if I saw anyone running fedora on a server [15:12] it's not meant for servers [15:12] Kilos: i think when i installed the gnome-shell yesterday without the ppa i got "gnome classic" or whatever people want to call it [15:12] it looked exactly the same as i'm used to from the old gnome [15:13] superfly: amazon ec2 offers fedora only, no centos [15:13] charlvn: they offer Ubuntu though, and I'd far rather run Ubuntu than Fedora [15:13] ah as in classic on 11.04 but if you look at freecell in games the colours are shocking [15:14] superfly: yeah same here [15:14] this switch to ubity has rattled many feathers [15:14] Kilos: ah yeah haven't spent too much time with that [15:14] yeah indeed [15:14] *unity [15:15] I think it's ruffled far fewer feathers than the media tries to tell us [15:15] Empty vessels make the most noise, as do ruffled feathers. [15:15] im just going by the mails on our lists [15:16] peeps like lee sharp [15:17] Kilos: like I said, empty vessels make the most noise [15:17] ;-) [15:17] lol [15:17] i better not say another word [15:17] ah no sorry, i was wrong, apparently they do support centos https://aws.amazon.com/amis/rightimage-centos-5-2-base-image-beta-version-4-0-2-32-bit [15:17] but it's community contributed [15:17] when i get another graphics card i will try ubity [15:18] unity [15:18] in the short list back when i used it (2009/2010) i didn't see that option in my panel though [15:18] probably only officially supported distros, tried to get a list of them now but can't find it [15:19] charlvn, http://www.techlw.com/2012/02/install-gnome-shell-on-ubuntu-1204.html [15:19] do they also say PPA [15:20] rackspace does support centos fedora ubuntu and debian officially [15:20] "Choose from a variety of popular 64-bit Linux® Distributions—Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo, CentOS, Fedora, Arch and Red Hat Enterprise Linux" [15:20] http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/cloud_hosting_products/servers/ [15:21] Kilos: ah yeah that's exactly what i did yesterday [15:21] but my desktop did not look like the second screenshot [15:21] weird [15:21] you musta missed something [15:22] yeah [15:22] ok i'll install it under virtualbox in any case and then try to see if i can get it to work [15:22] lol [15:22] have you tried unity ChanServ [15:22] ? [15:23] eish [15:23] lol [15:23] that was for you charlvn [15:23] lol [15:23] yeah i'm actually using it right now on my macbook pro [15:23] but i'm not a big fan [15:23] i am so used to typing three characters and then tab [15:24] ah [15:25] yeah same here [15:25] were all creatures of habid [15:25] habit [15:36] bbl [15:43] just ate pancake with rhubarb - it's better than it sounds [16:00] ok results are in [16:00] no need for the ppa just install gnome-shell [16:00] enable 3d acceleration in virtualbox and it works perfectly [16:00] http://i.imgur.com/VDDal.png [16:00] the mandatory screenshot [16:00] according to the folks on #ubuntu-nl, the ppa is unnecessary [16:01] it shouldn't have been necessary in oneiric either [16:02] i can try it, since i'm still running it here on my host os [16:03] oneiric = 11.10 right? the names keep confusing me [16:03] yes [16:03] ok busy installing now [16:06] need to close xchat to log out and test it, brb [16:10] ok in gnome3 now - it's slow even on my mbp8.1 which is only a year old (with an intel core i5) [16:10] not too impressed so far [16:10] running natively i mean, on ubuntu 11.10 [17:21] Evening all [17:22] hi magespawn [17:27] superfly: thanks for the tip regarding enabling 3d acceleration [17:27] works really nicely [17:27] charlvn: np... been using it for ages, actually [17:28] strange that it isn't enabled by default but i'm sure there is a good reason for that [17:28] for most virtual machines i'm sure you won't need it in any case [17:28] ok i'm going to take a shower bbl [17:28] yeah, I think it's to make sure it works out of the box on most setups [17:50] Right lets see if I can stay here this time [17:54] ok back [17:54] lol magespawn both you and psydroid quit and entered right after each other [17:55] Maybe it is an alergic reaction [17:58] there is a certain type of sauce that can create that reaction in some... http://i.imgur.com/dSgkr.png [17:58] with added vitamin cool [18:09] oh, hi charlvn [18:10] hi magespawn [18:10] Hi psydroid [18:10] my battery ran out [18:11] lol [18:11] ok then it was completely unrelated :P [18:12] :) [18:12] we're on different continents too [18:12] 4chan is now html5 https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/24506058 [18:13] Well thats a relief [18:17] http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.4chan.org%2Fhtmlnew%2F [18:17] http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.4chan.org%2Fhtmlnew%2F [18:18] still needs a bit of work apparently but it's already a huge improvement [18:18] http://validator.nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.4chan.org%2Fhtmlnew%2F [18:20] psydroid: you could both be using the same irc server though [18:20] the trouble could be on the server's end [18:21] charvn, that would certainly be possible [18:27] hello [18:28] hello kbmonkey [18:28] nice long weekend, hey? [18:30] yeah [18:30] Hey kbmonkey, do not really know what a long weekend is, but the days off are nice [18:30] it's a nice break [18:30] s/break/extra long break/ [18:32] the main difference magespawn, is instead of doing work you have to do, and doing work you want to do ;) [18:34] lol +1 [18:34] Mm, I live in a very nice place, I never have to do work I do not want to do. [18:36] magespawn: ever had to do the dishes [18:36] ? [18:37] All the time [18:38] well if you enjoy doing the dishes, good for you :P [18:38] But I still choose to [18:38] well if you don't do the dishes... they heap up :( [18:38] kbmonkey: I dunno, I want to work when I go to work. [18:38] or rather, I'm doing what I enjoy when I go to work [18:39] No not really but I dislike having no clean plates more [18:39] lol [18:39] well said [18:39] otherwise, you could just throw all the dirty dishes away right? [18:39] but then there are no clean ones [18:41] If i had that much money it might be an option but I really have a problem with wastage [18:41] cut out the middleman. eat out of the pot. [18:42] So maybe I could donate them to charity or something, along with the left over food. [18:43] talking about luxury problems... :P [18:45] Still would not, waste of time and effort, do not think I am that eccentric. ;) [18:47] watching the latest episode of ancient aliens now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8KE7nPzme0 [18:48] I heard this somewhere: Rich people are eccentric, poor people are crazy. [18:48] here is the pattern of thought: assumption, assumption, fact, assumption assumption assumption, fact, assumption assumption [18:48] lol [18:51] ha ha, good solution roryy ;D [18:51] 1st world problems (TM) [18:52] Yup indeed. [18:54] http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/first-world-problems vs http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/third-world-success [18:57] i think measuring fact-to-assumption ratio in documentaries would produce very interesting results [18:58] especially on the history channel [18:59] Some of those show do construct the trex from a toe bone. [19:00] :D [19:00] Brb battery is dying. [19:01] this is more or less how it goes: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ancient-aliens [19:01] what happened? it must have been the aliens! [19:01] if our current civilisation goes under, people from thousands of years from now will dig up our "advanced" technology and will claim alien intervention [19:02] ubuntu? the only way to explain the existence of such advanced technology must have been the aliens [19:03] like a boomarang [19:04] what is it with you and psydroid and your batters ffs [19:04] *batteries [19:04] tablet has been working all day, now on my phone. [19:04] are you sure you don't know each other lol [19:11] charlvn, I am on wifi all the time, the battery gets drained after a few hours [19:11] ping [19:11] Maaz coffee on [19:11] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [19:11] when I have a tablet, it will hopefully improvw as magespawn says [19:12] Maaz, coffee please [19:12] kbmonkey: Yessir [19:12] that shold help. mmm fresh brew [19:15] Coffee's ready for magespawn and kbmonkey! [19:25] psydroid: yeah wifi kills a wireless device [19:25] especially when you tether to a phone via wifi and then let the phone connect out via hsdpa [19:25] you better have that phone connected to a charger... [19:25] otherwise that phone gets pwned within a couple of mins, hour tops [19:27] nothing beats sitting at the console ;) [19:27] yes, I have it connected to one now [19:28] ok, a regular keyboard allows you to type faster, but a touch-based device is more convenient [19:29] even a netbook isn't as convenient as a phone or a tablet for light uses [19:29] nah, no need to multitask IRL and the metaverse. [19:29] netbook is old school... ultrabooks people [19:29] I mean, when I do something on the PC, why would I want to do anything else at the same time ;) [19:30] i actually had an acer ultrabook in for testing and it worked very nicely, was super light in comparison to this mbp i have on my lap right now [19:30] through my contacts i could get it at cost price but i ended up not buying one because the memory is all onboard with no extension capabilities [19:30] hot damn, boss got a new dell xps, one of those smanchy ssd's. battery life about 8 hours [19:30] so i was limited to 4GB [19:31] kbmonkey: sounds typical for ultrabooks, the battery life is amazing [19:41] howdy AGAIN. [19:44] magespawn: I have two words for you: IRC bouncer [19:45] okay whats that? like quassel core? [19:46] two words: remote shell XD [19:46] okay guys one at a time [19:47] will google once i am back on adsl [20:03] vps+screen+irssi [20:03] magespawn: either a remote shell, or quassel core [20:03] I have that too now [20:04] but I must go to sleep, good night guys [20:04] night psydroid [20:05] nite psydroid [20:08] might hold off on this until i get the wifi/wug setup. [20:08] http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC [20:10] that's the most popular bnc atm afaik [20:12] quassel is a normal irc client (for kde) no? [20:12] yes also has android client [20:12] charlvn: well, it's written in Qt, but there is a KDE-specific version too [20:13] and it has both a "normal" and a bouncer setup [20:13] (well, they're different binaries, but the "normal" is a conglomeration of the client and core binaries) [20:13] superfly: ah i see, didn't know that, interesting [20:13] charlvn: it works very well on OS X and on Windows too [20:14] and my Gnomified friends tell me it looks just like a GTK app in Gnome [20:14] thats good to know. [20:14] could you run irc on a wug? [20:14] magespawn: as far as I know, the big WUGs all have their own internal IRC networks [20:15] irc software FOSS? [20:16] the must be [20:16] there, even [20:16] magespawn: most IRC networks are running FOSS servers [20:16] aptitude search ircd gives at least four options [20:17] ircd is widely used [20:17] ircd-irc2 for ex [20:17] i used to run some servers on bahamut [20:17] will be very useful [20:17] a small irc network a number of years ago [20:19] do not why I asked that should have been obvious [20:20] http://achurch.org/services/ [20:31] magespawn: http://hak5.org/episodes/hak5-1104 [20:33] magespawn: http://www.wug.za.net/chat.php [20:36] ty [20:38] ty [20:39] i am off, early start tomrrow, night all. [20:40] night magespawn [20:40] night magespawn [21:07] g'night all