[06:39] <magespawn> Good morning.
[06:44] <roryy> ello
[06:52] <magespawn> Howdy, a new face, when did you start coming here?
[06:52] <roryy> ag, i pop onto irc one every 6 months for a few days
[06:53] <magespawn> Cool
[06:55] <magespawn> This channel is normally pretty quite, now there lots of peeps
[12:11] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:33] <superfly> hi magespawn
[12:33] <magespawn> hey superfly
[12:35] <magespawn> busy watching this in youtube quite interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UghlW1TsMA&feature=youtube_gdata
[12:53] <magespawn> hacking in the 80's and 90's
[12:54] <superfly> magespawn: looks interesting... will have to watch it when junior isn't watching a movie next to me
[12:55] <magespawn> ahh the kids. fish one use to fall asleep in my lap while I was playing starcraft
[12:55] <magespawn> 300 baud modems
[12:56] <magespawn> 5 1/2 inch floppies
[13:05] <magespawn> superfly what would you use to encrypt email
[13:05] <magespawn> or files
[13:06] <superfly> IIRC you can use PGP or GnuPG
[13:13] <magespawn> when I found out what that means I thought it was quite funny
[13:33] <zeref> o00o, interesting watch: http://www.thefilterbubble.com/ted-talk
[13:58] <magespawn> this sort of thing has been going on since we started looking for information
[13:59] <magespawn> you must learn to get rid of your own patterns
[14:00] <magespawn> now it happens automatically bit like the the tv remote control
[14:01] <magespawn> not really a bit fan of the facebook timelinehave missed things from friends who are not that active
[14:01] <magespawn> big
[14:16] <charlvn> magespawn: i also use gpg or sometimes bcrypt (blowfish)
[14:16] <magespawn> cool why change from one to the other?
[14:17] <charlvn> they both support symmetric passphrase-based encryption for files but i'm quite interested to know which one is more secure
[14:17] <magespawn> a video on how to use vim for those who do not know http://www.everymanit.com/2010/09/15/vim-for-file-editing/
[14:18] <charlvn> gpg also supports ppk (asymmetric) encryption
[14:18] <tumbleweed> gpg supports a lot more encryption options than bcrypt
[14:18] <magespawn> be interesting to find out, i need one that will run on different platforms
[14:18] <charlvn> yeah it's much more advanced, you can have a keyring etc
[14:18] <tumbleweed> there in gpg / pgp pretty much everywhere
[14:19] <charlvn> bcrypt is simple and afaik quite secure but limited in terms of functionality
[14:19] <charlvn> magespawn: gpg is cross-platform, not sure of bcrypt
[14:19] <charlvn> but blowfish is pretty popular so i assume it would be too
[14:19] <tumbleweed> blowfish isn't that popular these days, but it isn't signidficantly broken
[14:20] <charlvn> blowfish usually gets used for backend purposes, very rarely by normal users
[14:20] <magespawn> no support for windows but will run in cygwin
[14:20] <charlvn> only reason i use and know about it is because it is my job (software development)
[14:20] <magespawn> tumbleweed do you use one?
[14:21] <charlvn> http://codahale.com/how-to-safely-store-a-password/
[14:21] <tumbleweed> these days, you'd usually use AES
[14:21] <magespawn> sorry i lie there is a windows binary for blowfish
[14:21] <tumbleweed> magespawn: gpg, we use gpg signatures to authenticate debian & ubuntu uploads
[14:21] <charlvn> depends on the purpose, bcrypt is super efficient for symmetric key encryption
[14:22] <tumbleweed> magespawn: blowfish is just a cipher, you'll find implementations for it everywhere
[14:22] <charlvn> but... if you need PPK you need to go AES
[14:22] <tumbleweed> e.g. it's one of the many supported by gpg
[14:22] <tumbleweed> charlvn: AES is a symmetric cipher
[14:22] <tumbleweed> just like blowfish
[14:23] <charlvn> just checked on the wikipedia, that's indeed correct, not sure why i thought otherwise
[14:23] <magespawn> is it possible to break the encryption? practically speaking?
[14:24] <charlvn> everything is possible, depends on the computing resources you have at your disposal
[14:24] <tumbleweed> no known way. Usually any attacks go through side channels or implementation mistakes
[14:25] <magespawn> right thanks a lot guys, i have to take kids home now, will see you all a bit later
[14:26] <charlvn> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/
[14:27] <charlvn> lol while searching for that link i found this: http://en.shiapost.com/?p=2260
[14:36] <Kilos> afternoon superfly and others
[14:36] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[14:36] <Kilos> just popped in for coffee
[14:36] <Kilos> hi there charlvn 
[14:36] <superfly> afternoon Kilos
[14:36] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:36]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:38] <Kilos> wiped xubuntu off 6g drive and installed natty and without updating have been installing everything from saved natty archives with gdebi
[14:38] <Kilos> what a job
[14:39] <charlvn> superfly: here's the problem i'm having with VB http://i.imgur.com/doZOK.png
[14:40] <superfly> charlvn: it gave me that message, and then I went and switched on 3D acceleration, and I have full Gnome 3
[14:40] <superfly> s/3/Shell/
[14:40] <charlvn> ok lemme try that.. hold on
[14:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:41] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:41] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:41] <superfly> but, I'm not a Gnomer, so I don't know anything more than what I did
[14:41] <Kilos> lol
[14:41] <superfly> charlvn: also, my Gnome 3 was in Debian, so it may differ from Ubuntu
[14:42] <charlvn> this is on fedora core
[14:42] <superfly> and Fedora :-)
[14:42] <charlvn> in principle it shouldn't matter unless there is some strange driver problem
[14:42] <superfly> yeah
[14:43] <charlvn> weird, enabled 3d acceleration in the virtual machine settings
[14:44] <charlvn> but it still doesn't work
[14:44] <superfly> charlvn: did you shut the machine down and restart it?
[14:44] <charlvn> yeah of course
[14:44] <charlvn> very strange
[14:44] <superfly> charlvn: I presume you also have the guest utils installed?
[14:45] <charlvn> no this is booting from the live cd, so i think that must be the problem
[14:46] <charlvn> ok lemme do an install and get the drivers in there
[14:50] <Kilos> bbl
[14:50] <charlvn> i never understand why they hide the install option under system tools
[14:50] <Kilos> lol
[14:50] <charlvn> you would think they would make it simpler
[14:50] <charlvn> yeah weird
[14:55] <charlvn> fedora, wtf srsly
[14:55] <charlvn> hold on
[14:56] <charlvn> installer started complaining that the installation media is corrupt - then did a md5sum and the .iso is perfect
[14:56] <charlvn> hit retry, continued working
[14:59] <Kilos> superfly, i did apt-get update without internet connection. and saw it said failed to get to a whole lotta sites. can i give those links to ian and will he be able to get the security updates etc. here is a sample link
[14:59] <Kilos> whew
[14:59] <Kilos> http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security InRelease 
[14:59] <superfly> Kilos: no, those won't work
[14:59] <Kilos> or wont a browser go there
[14:59] <Kilos> aw
[15:00] <superfly> Kilos: they aren't links
[15:00] <Kilos> so its gotta be done throught apt-get then ?
[15:00] <Kilos> sigh
[15:01] <charlvn> lol http://i.imgur.com/meI3K.png
[15:01] <superfly> yes
[15:01] <charlvn> ok serves me right for using fedora :P
[15:01] <charlvn> (and complaining about it on an ubuntu channel of all things)
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:02] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[15:02] <Kilos> charlvn, you also chasing gnome?
[15:03] <charlvn> Kilos: yes and not catching up to it apparently ;)
[15:03] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[15:03] <Kilos> at least im not alone
[15:04] <Kilos> maybe ill go kubuntu
[15:04] <superfly> charlvn: from what I've heard, Gnome Shell is in 12.04, it's just not installed by default
[15:04] <charlvn> +1
[15:04] <charlvn> yes it's the gnome-shell package
[15:04] <Kilos> then the fly will go gray quick
[15:04] <charlvn> i installed that yesterday inside vmware and it worked perfectly
[15:04] <superfly> Kilos: no more than I already am :-P
[15:04] <Kilos> lol
[15:04] <charlvn> i should try inside ubuntu now
[15:05] <charlvn> s/ubuntu/virtualbox/
[15:05] <Kilos> superfly, you gray already?
[15:05] <superfly> Kilos: no, and I won't before a long time
[15:05] <Kilos> ah
[15:06] <Kilos> charlvn, http://www.filiwiese.com/installing-gnome-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[15:07] <charlvn> Kilos: ah interesting, very interesting
[15:07] <charlvn> i think i did it wrong then
[15:07] <charlvn> because i never sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[15:07] <Kilos> ah
[15:07] <charlvn> ok gonna try it a bit later, thanks
[15:07] <Kilos> good luck
[15:07] <superfly> and you shouldn't... one should steer clear of unofficial repositories
[15:08] <Kilos> charlvn, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/
[15:09] <Kilos> if that works i will go 12.04 when i get a cd
[15:09] <charlvn> superfly: i think there is room for unofficial repos, but as always, caution should be applied
[15:09] <charlvn> superfly: the only ppa i'm using at the moment is for exfat http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6537878/how-to-mount-a-exfat-partition-in-ubuntu-11-04
[15:10] <superfly> charlvn: yeah, the problem is that PPA's are becoming so "mainstream" that people are throwing caution to the wind
[15:10] <superfly> charlvn: I maintain a PPA ;-)
[15:10] <superfly> (two, technically)
[15:10] <charlvn> yeah that's probably true
[15:10] <charlvn> but most people are pushing for features, not for stability
[15:10] <superfly> ya
[15:11] <charlvn> that's why lots of people moved away from debian and centos
[15:11]  * superfly is sorta in the process of getting his software into Debian, and thus Ubuntu, so that there will be no need for PPAs
[15:11] <charlvn> when i first saw people running fedora on a server i freaked (this was many years ago)
[15:12] <superfly> charlvn: I'd still freak if I saw anyone running fedora on a server
[15:12] <superfly> it's not meant for servers
[15:12] <charlvn> Kilos: i think when i installed the gnome-shell yesterday without the ppa i got "gnome classic" or whatever people want to call it
[15:12] <charlvn> it looked exactly the same as i'm used to from the old gnome
[15:13] <charlvn> superfly: amazon ec2 offers fedora only, no centos
[15:13] <superfly> charlvn: they offer Ubuntu though, and I'd far rather run Ubuntu than Fedora
[15:13] <Kilos> ah as in classic on 11.04 but if you look at freecell in games the colours are shocking
[15:14] <charlvn> superfly: yeah same here
[15:14] <Kilos> this switch to ubity has rattled many feathers
[15:14] <charlvn> Kilos: ah yeah haven't spent too much time with that
[15:14] <charlvn> yeah indeed
[15:14] <Kilos> *unity
[15:15] <superfly> I think it's ruffled far fewer feathers than the media tries to tell us
[15:15] <superfly> Empty vessels make the most noise, as do ruffled feathers.
[15:15] <Kilos> im just going by the mails on our lists
[15:16] <Kilos> peeps like lee sharp
[15:17] <superfly> Kilos: like I said, empty vessels make the most noise
[15:17] <superfly> ;-)
[15:17] <Kilos> lol
[15:17] <Kilos> i better not say another word
[15:17] <charlvn> ah no sorry, i was wrong, apparently they do support centos https://aws.amazon.com/amis/rightimage-centos-5-2-base-image-beta-version-4-0-2-32-bit
[15:17] <charlvn> but it's community contributed
[15:17] <Kilos> when i get another graphics card i will try ubity
[15:18] <Kilos> unity
[15:18] <charlvn> in the short list back when i used it (2009/2010) i didn't see that option in my panel though
[15:18] <charlvn> probably only officially supported distros, tried to get a list of them now but can't find it
[15:19] <Kilos> charlvn, http://www.techlw.com/2012/02/install-gnome-shell-on-ubuntu-1204.html
[15:19] <Kilos> do they also say PPA
[15:20] <charlvn> rackspace does support centos fedora ubuntu and debian officially
[15:20] <charlvn> "Choose from a variety of popular 64-bit Linux® Distributions—Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo, CentOS, Fedora, Arch and Red Hat Enterprise Linux"
[15:20] <charlvn> http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/cloud_hosting_products/servers/
[15:21] <charlvn> Kilos: ah yeah that's exactly what i did yesterday
[15:21] <charlvn> but my desktop did not look like the second screenshot
[15:21] <charlvn> weird
[15:21] <Kilos> you musta missed something
[15:22] <charlvn> yeah
[15:22] <charlvn> ok i'll install it under virtualbox in any case and then try to see if i can get it to work
[15:22] <Kilos> lol
[15:22] <Kilos> have you tried unity ChanServ 
[15:22] <Kilos> ?
[15:23] <Kilos> eish
[15:23] <charlvn> lol
[15:23] <Kilos> that was for you charlvn 
[15:23] <Kilos> lol
[15:23] <charlvn> yeah i'm actually using it right now on my macbook pro
[15:23] <charlvn> but i'm not a big fan
[15:23] <Kilos> i am so used to typing three characters and then tab
[15:24] <Kilos> ah
[15:25] <charlvn> yeah same here
[15:25] <Kilos> were all creatures of habid
[15:25] <Kilos> habit
[15:36] <Kilos> bbl
[15:43] <charlvn> just ate pancake with rhubarb - it's better than it sounds
[16:00] <charlvn> ok results are in
[16:00] <charlvn> no need for the ppa just install gnome-shell
[16:00] <charlvn> enable 3d acceleration in virtualbox and it works perfectly
[16:00] <charlvn> http://i.imgur.com/VDDal.png
[16:00] <charlvn> the mandatory screenshot
[16:00] <charlvn> according to the folks on #ubuntu-nl, the ppa is unnecessary
[16:01] <tumbleweed> it shouldn't have been necessary in oneiric either
[16:02] <charlvn> i can try it, since i'm still running it here on my host os
[16:03] <charlvn> oneiric = 11.10 right? the names keep confusing me
[16:03] <tumbleweed> yes
[16:03] <charlvn> ok busy installing now
[16:06] <charlvn> need to close xchat to log out and test it, brb
[16:10] <charlvn> ok in gnome3 now - it's slow even on my mbp8.1 which is only a year old (with an intel core i5)
[16:10] <charlvn> not too impressed so far
[16:10] <charlvn> running natively i mean, on ubuntu 11.10
[17:21] <magespawn> Evening all
[17:22] <superfly> hi magespawn
[17:27] <charlvn> superfly: thanks for the tip regarding enabling 3d acceleration
[17:27] <charlvn> works really nicely
[17:27] <superfly> charlvn: np... been using it for ages, actually
[17:28] <charlvn> strange that it isn't enabled by default but i'm sure there is a good reason for that
[17:28] <charlvn> for most virtual machines i'm sure you won't need it in any case
[17:28] <charlvn> ok i'm going to take a shower bbl
[17:28] <superfly> yeah, I think it's to make sure it works out of the box on most setups
[17:50] <magespawn> Right lets see if I can stay here this time
[17:54] <charlvn> ok back
[17:54] <charlvn> lol magespawn both you and psydroid quit and entered right after each other
[17:55] <magespawn> Maybe it is an alergic reaction
[17:58] <charlvn> there is a certain type of sauce that can create that reaction in some... http://i.imgur.com/dSgkr.png
[17:58] <charlvn> with added vitamin cool
[18:09] <psydroid> oh, hi charlvn
[18:10] <psydroid> hi magespawn
[18:10] <magespawn> Hi psydroid
[18:10] <psydroid> my battery ran out
[18:11] <charlvn> lol
[18:11] <charlvn> ok then it was completely unrelated :P
[18:12] <psydroid> :)
[18:12] <psydroid> we're on different continents too
[18:12] <magespawn> 4chan is now html5 https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/24506058
[18:13] <magespawn> Well thats a relief
[18:17] <charlvn> http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.4chan.org%2Fhtmlnew%2F
[18:17] <charlvn> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.4chan.org%2Fhtmlnew%2F
[18:18] <charlvn> still needs a bit of work apparently but it's already a huge improvement
[18:18] <charlvn> http://validator.nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.4chan.org%2Fhtmlnew%2F
[18:20] <charlvn> psydroid: you could both be using the same irc server though
[18:20] <charlvn> the trouble could be on the server's end
[18:21] <psydroid> charvn, that would certainly be possible
[18:27] <kbmonkey> hello
[18:28] <psydroid> hello kbmonkey
[18:28] <kbmonkey> nice long weekend, hey? 
[18:30] <psydroid> yeah
[18:30] <magespawn> Hey kbmonkey, do not really know what a long weekend is, but the days off are nice
[18:30] <charlvn> it's a nice break
[18:30] <charlvn> s/break/extra long break/
[18:32] <kbmonkey> the main difference magespawn, is instead of doing work you have to do, and doing work you want to do ;)
[18:34] <charlvn> lol +1
[18:34] <magespawn> Mm, I live in a very nice place, I never have to do work I do not want to do.
[18:36] <charlvn> magespawn: ever had to do the dishes
[18:36] <charlvn> ?
[18:37] <magespawn> All the time
[18:38] <charlvn> well if you enjoy doing the dishes, good for you :P
[18:38] <magespawn> But I still choose to
[18:38] <charlvn> well if you don't do the dishes... they heap up :(
[18:38] <superfly> kbmonkey: I dunno, I want to work when I go to work.
[18:38] <superfly> or rather, I'm doing what I enjoy when I go to work
[18:39] <magespawn> No not really but I dislike having no clean plates more
[18:39] <charlvn> lol
[18:39] <charlvn> well said
[18:39] <charlvn> otherwise, you could just throw all the dirty dishes away right?
[18:39] <charlvn> but then there are no clean ones
[18:41] <magespawn> If i had that much money it might be an option but I really have a problem with wastage
[18:41] <roryy> cut out the middleman.  eat out of the pot.
[18:42] <magespawn> So maybe I could donate them to charity or something, along with the left over food.
[18:43] <charlvn> talking about luxury problems... :P
[18:45] <magespawn> Still would not, waste of time and effort, do not think I am that eccentric. ;)
[18:47] <charlvn> watching the latest episode of ancient aliens now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8KE7nPzme0
[18:48] <magespawn> I heard this somewhere: Rich people are eccentric, poor people are crazy.
[18:48] <charlvn> here is the pattern of thought: assumption, assumption, fact, assumption assumption assumption, fact, assumption assumption
[18:48] <charlvn> lol
[18:51] <kbmonkey> ha ha, good solution roryy ;D
[18:51] <kbmonkey> 1st world problems (TM)
[18:52] <magespawn> Yup indeed.
[18:54] <charlvn> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/first-world-problems vs http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/third-world-success
[18:57] <charlvn> i think measuring fact-to-assumption ratio in documentaries would produce very interesting results
[18:58] <charlvn> especially on the history channel
[18:59] <magespawn> Some of those show do construct the trex from a toe bone.
[19:00] <charlvn> :D
[19:00] <magespawn> Brb battery is dying.
[19:01] <charlvn> this is more or less how it goes: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ancient-aliens
[19:01] <charlvn> what happened? it must have been the aliens!
[19:01] <charlvn> if our current civilisation goes under, people from thousands of years from now will dig up our "advanced" technology and will claim alien intervention
[19:02] <charlvn> ubuntu? the only way to explain the existence of such advanced technology must have been the aliens
[19:03] <magespawn> like a boomarang
[19:04] <charlvn> what is it with you and psydroid and your batters ffs
[19:04] <charlvn> *batteries
[19:04] <magespawn> tablet has been working all day, now on my phone.
[19:04] <charlvn> are you sure you don't know each other lol
[19:11] <psydroid> charlvn, I am on wifi all the time, the battery gets drained after a few hours
[19:11] <magespawn> ping
[19:11] <magespawn> Maaz coffee on
[19:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:11] <psydroid> when I have a tablet, it will hopefully improvw as magespawn says
[19:12] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[19:12] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Yessir
[19:12] <kbmonkey> that shold help. mmm fresh brew
[19:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for magespawn and kbmonkey!
[19:25] <charlvn> psydroid: yeah wifi kills a wireless device
[19:25] <charlvn> especially when you tether to a phone via wifi and then let the phone connect out via hsdpa
[19:25] <charlvn> you better have that phone connected to a charger...
[19:25] <charlvn> otherwise that phone gets pwned within a couple of mins, hour tops
[19:27] <kbmonkey> nothing beats sitting at the console ;)
[19:27] <psydroid> yes, I have it connected to one now
[19:28] <psydroid> ok, a regular keyboard allows you to type faster, but a touch-based device is more convenient
[19:29] <psydroid> even a netbook isn't as convenient as a phone or a tablet for light uses
[19:29] <kbmonkey> nah, no need to multitask IRL and the metaverse.
[19:29] <charlvn> netbook is old school... ultrabooks people
[19:29] <kbmonkey> I mean, when I do something on the PC, why would I want to do anything else at the same time ;)
[19:30] <charlvn> i actually had an acer ultrabook in for testing and it worked very nicely, was super light in comparison to this mbp i have on my lap right now
[19:30] <charlvn> through my contacts i could get it at cost price but i ended up not buying one because the memory is all onboard with no extension capabilities
[19:30] <kbmonkey> hot damn, boss got a new dell xps, one of those smanchy ssd's. battery life about 8 hours
[19:30] <charlvn> so i was limited to 4GB
[19:31] <charlvn> kbmonkey: sounds typical for ultrabooks, the battery life is amazing
[19:41] <magespawn> howdy AGAIN.
[19:44] <superfly> magespawn: I have two words for you: IRC bouncer
[19:45] <magespawn> okay whats that? like quassel core?
[19:46] <kbmonkey> two words: remote shell XD
[19:46] <magespawn> okay guys one at a time
[19:47] <magespawn> will google once i am back on adsl
[20:03] <charlvn> vps+screen+irssi
[20:03] <superfly> magespawn: either a remote shell, or quassel core
[20:03] <psydroid> I have that too now
[20:04] <psydroid> but I must go to sleep, good night guys
[20:04] <magespawn> night psydroid
[20:05] <kbmonkey> nite psydroid 
[20:08] <magespawn> might hold off on this until i get the wifi/wug setup.
[20:08] <charlvn> http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
[20:10] <charlvn> that's the most popular bnc atm afaik
[20:12] <charlvn> quassel is a normal irc client (for kde) no?
[20:12] <magespawn> yes also has android client
[20:12] <superfly> charlvn: well, it's written in Qt, but there is a KDE-specific version too
[20:13] <superfly> and it has both a "normal" and a bouncer setup
[20:13] <superfly> (well, they're different binaries, but the "normal" is a conglomeration of the client and core binaries)
[20:13] <charlvn> superfly: ah i see, didn't know that, interesting
[20:13] <superfly> charlvn: it works very well on OS X and on Windows too
[20:14] <superfly> and my Gnomified friends tell me it looks just like a GTK app in Gnome
[20:14] <magespawn> thats good to know.
[20:14] <magespawn> could you run irc on a wug?
[20:14] <superfly> magespawn: as far as I know, the big WUGs all have their own internal IRC networks
[20:15] <magespawn> irc software FOSS?
[20:16] <roryy> the must be
[20:16] <roryy> there, even
[20:16] <superfly> magespawn: most IRC networks are running FOSS servers
[20:16] <roryy> aptitude search ircd gives at least four options
[20:17] <kbmonkey> ircd is widely used
[20:17] <kbmonkey> ircd-irc2 for ex
[20:17] <charlvn> i used to run some servers on bahamut
[20:17] <magespawn> will be very useful
[20:17] <charlvn> a small irc network a number of years ago
[20:19] <magespawn> do not why I asked that should have been obvious
[20:20] <charlvn> http://achurch.org/services/
[20:31] <charlvn> magespawn: http://hak5.org/episodes/hak5-1104
[20:33] <charlvn> magespawn: http://www.wug.za.net/chat.php
[20:36] <magespawn> ty
[20:38] <magespawn> ty
[20:39] <magespawn> i am off, early start tomrrow, night all.
[20:40] <superfly> night magespawn
[20:40] <charlvn> night magespawn 
[21:07] <charlvn> g'night all