[00:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> its quiet in here...
[00:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> seems good! :P
[00:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> I sometimes get prompted to fill in a keyring password. it just happens out of nowhere. if i click cancel, nothing bad happens.
[00:37] <Mike-Linux-NL> it just appears on the desktop. it says you have not filled in the password for the keyring after you have logged in the computer
[00:37] <Mike-Linux-NL> can i remove it, and if yes, where? .gnome2 perhaps?
[00:52] <ruien> Mike-Linux-NL: does it continue to appear even after you have filled in the keyring password?
[00:55] <gjf> Hey all - I'm having some trouble with my new Xubuntu 12.04 install. I don't have any sound to my headphones.
[00:56] <gjf> Under the "output" of the Sound Settings, I only get "HDMI/DisplayPort" and not my front panel/back panel headphone jacks.
[00:56] <gjf> Does anyone know the problem?
[00:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> gjf: doesnt it mute the speakers, after you plugin the headphone?>
[00:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> i am not from the support, but a user too
[00:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> for me it helps when i log off, and then back in'
[00:57] <gjf> I'm not sure - I haven't got sound at all from this operating system.
[00:58] <gjf> I've restarted, and done all of that =/
[00:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> no sound at all?
[00:58] <gjf> None, but when I play something it shows up in the mixer.
[00:58] <gjf> It's just not outputting it to anything.
[00:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> open a terminal
[00:58] <gjf> I only have a single port "HDMI/DisplayPort"
[00:58] <gjf> Alright, it's open.
[00:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> and type: pulseaudio -k
[00:58] <gjf> Alright
[00:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> then open up a command (alt+f2) and type pulseaudio
[00:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> it should restart the service
[00:59] <gjf> It's restarted, let me log in and out.
[00:59] <k_sze> I'm in the process of upgrading my Xubuntu box from 11.10 to 12.04. However, the upgrade program is telling me that "xscreensaver and xlockmore must be restarted before upgrading". How am I supposed to stop or restart them when I can't even open other programs anymore? Not even task manager.
[00:59] <dougb_freebsd> k_sze: you can ignore those
[01:00] <ruien> gjf: I had that same problem under xubuntu 10.04 and solved it by running "alsamixer" (I think?) and then selecting the front mic and front output. Not sure if this applies in 12.04, but may be a good place to start
[01:00] <Mike-Linux-NL> he needs to be back first
[01:00] <Mike-Linux-NL> he relogged
[01:01] <Mike-Linux-NL> or she
[01:02] <Mike-Linux-NL> wb gjf
[01:02] <gjf> Thank you. The sound still isn't working, however :/
[01:03] <Mike-Linux-NL> rulen had an option too
[01:03] <gjf> Oh? I missed it.
[01:03] <Mike-Linux-NL> press alt+f2 and start alsamixer
[01:03] <gjf> Alright, let me do that.
[01:03] <gjf> Nothing's muted.
[01:04] <gjf> But the only option I have for my sound card is HDA NVidia
[01:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> onboard soundcard?
[01:05] <gjf> I'm not sure, I'm using an old computer from 2006. My main rig's power supply just broke.
[01:05] <gjf> But I can't select anything other than HDA NVidia
[01:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> mmm
[01:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> have you another OS on that computer?
[01:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> liek windows?
[01:06] <gjf> I try not to use nonfree software, so no.
[01:06] <Mike-Linux-NL> ok, it could be that there is something set wrong in the bios of the pc
[01:06] <Mike-Linux-NL> sometimes on those older rigs you can choose between AC'98 or HD audio
[01:06] <gjf> I'll check it out. I'll report back in a few minutes. If this doesn't work, I'll just pick up a $5 USB audio adapter.
[01:06] <Mike-Linux-NL> it also depends what kind of cable is used as front panel connector
[01:06] <gjf> I'll open 'er up
[01:07] <Mike-Linux-NL> mmm left too son
[01:20] <gjf> I love you all.
[01:21] <Mike-Linux-NL> cable?
[01:21] <gjf> BIOS
[01:21] <Mike-Linux-NL> or bios setting?
[01:21] <Mike-Linux-NL> ah
[01:21] <gjf> It was set to "AUTO"
[01:21] <gjf> I changed it to "ENABLED"
[01:21] <gjf> And then I went to the alsamixer and switched sound cards.
[01:21] <Mike-Linux-NL> wich one are you using now then?
[01:21] <Mike-Linux-NL> onboard or pci card?
[01:22] <gjf> Let me see
[01:22] <gjf> oh, onboard
[01:22] <gjf> But it wasn't showing up until I enabled it
[01:22] <gjf> I switched it from HDMI -> Built in Analog Stero
[01:22] <Mike-Linux-NL> yeah well, onboard needs to be disabled to use a pci audio card normally
[01:22] <gjf> I didn't want to use the pci card, my HDMI cable is connected to the monitor
[01:23] <Mike-Linux-NL> ah so the graphics card has an internal cable to the spdif connector on the motherboard?
[01:23] <gjf> I believe so
[01:23] <Mike-Linux-NL> except when you have onboard hdmi
[01:24] <gjf> The HDMI card is PCI
[01:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> ok
[01:24] <gjf> Anyways, the problem is solved. Thanks a lot for your help!
[01:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> well, at least you got sound :)
[01:24] <gjf> Exactly!
[01:25] <ruien> great man, good work
[01:25] <gjf> Thanks - Now to configure nginx on my debian server ;__;
[01:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> man.. a simnple bios setting could have ruined his Xubuntu experience :P
[01:33] <ruien> haha, yeah
[01:35] <ruien> Mike-Linux-NL: regarding your keyring issue, the keyring will pop up out of nowhere if your wireless card is attempting to authenticate at a network router, but it shouldn't pop up randomly once you have already entered your keyring password. Does this describe the behavior you're experiencing?
[01:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> i dont use a keyring password
[01:40] <Mike-Linux-NL> but i already deleted the keyrings in the .gnome2 folder
[01:40] <ruien> okay, did that work then?
[01:40] <ruien> or are you still prompted?
[01:40] <Mike-Linux-NL> well i havent relogged or anything, but i am not being prompted
[01:41] <ruien> ok
[01:41] <Mike-Linux-NL> i wonder if compiz would run on this
[01:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> i tried in the beta
[01:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> but xfwm would not work under compiz
[01:45] <ruien> Never tried compiz myself, so can't help there :(
[01:45] <ruien> I'm actually trying to figure out how to get rid of the 12.04 xfce environment and get back the 10.04 user interface
[01:45] <ruien> the pop-up application docker at the bottom makes me want to pull my fingernails out
[01:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> did that already ;)
[01:46] <ruien> the 10.04 xfce interface was absolutely flawless
[01:46] <ruien> best UI i've ever used
[01:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> i have made a gnome2 like interface
[01:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> with docky tho
[01:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4260461/Screenshots/Xubuntu-Precise.jpg
[01:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> and Ambiance theme
[01:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> and gnome apps
[01:48] <ruien> oh, that's really nice
[01:49] <ruien> where did you learn how to modify the UI?
[01:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> google
[01:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> and by modifying gnome
[01:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> you just extract themes in /sur/share/themes or in /usr/share/icons as root to apply them system wide
[01:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> or install themes for a ppa
[01:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> wallpaper pack downloaded
[01:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> my Ubuntu 10.04 look almost exactly like osx
[01:51] <Mike-Linux-NL> with the meopard theme
[01:52] <ruien> Wow, so I could (in theory) copy the /usr/share/themes and /usr/share/icons from xubuntu 10.04 as a starting point for making 12.04 look like 10.04
[01:52] <ruien> then maybe update related stuff in ~/.config
[01:52] <ruien> (or wherever the system-wide one lives)
[01:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> this is my look of 10.04 what i had on this laptop before: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4260461/Screenshots/My-Ubuntu-Laptop.jpg
[01:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> gnome2
[01:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> docky
[01:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> faenza
[01:54] <ruien> that looks really nice although it's the opposite of my style. I really don't like the OSX interface
[01:54] <Mike-Linux-NL> what do you like?
[01:54] <ruien> I like the 10.04 default xubuntu theme.. somehow i consider that perfect.
[01:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> what i want to do, is make everything gnome2 like with ambiance and radiance as default themes, and default ubuntu wallpapers
[01:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> gnome 2 look& feel and slipstream that in a new iso
[01:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> help the people that are suffering from Gnome3 shell and unity
[01:57] <ruien> yeah, a noble cause indeed
[01:58] <k_sze> man, the upgrade is taking pretty darn long.
[01:59] <k_sze> estimate is still at 4 hours remaining.
[01:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> wow
[01:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> slow connection?
[01:59] <k_sze> no, the packages have been all downloaded overnight already.
[01:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> i installed xubuntu fresh last night
[02:00] <Mike-Linux-NL> was done installing all apps, tweaking the desktop within 3 hours
[02:00] <k_sze> Would it have been better if I downloaded the ISO, booted into Live CD and did the upgrade from there, instead of doing a live upgrade?
[02:00] <k_sze> s/better/faster
[02:01] <k_sze> Mike-Linux-NL: it took you 3 hours to do a fresh install?
[02:01] <ruien> yes, for sure. I did that with both of my machines and the install is less than an hour for sure
[02:01] <k_sze> Right. I'll just skip live upgrade and use the ISO next time.
[02:01] <Mike-Linux-NL> no
[02:02] <Mike-Linux-NL> normal install was 15 mins
[02:02] <Mike-Linux-NL> i meant deleting apps i didnt want, tweak the themes, installed all extra software i needed, tweaked lightdm and configured everything to my needs within 3 hours
[02:03] <k_sze> ah
[02:03] <Mike-Linux-NL> that means adding several ppa's etc
[02:03] <Mike-Linux-NL> the default look of xubuntu is bad
[02:04] <k_sze> The default theme is horrible in terms of window manipulation
[02:04] <k_sze> the draggable border is almost inexistent.
[02:04] <k_sze> I had to change to a different theme to get window borders that are reasonably thick and draggable.
[02:05] <ruien> yes, you are forced to use Alt-right-click-drag, and I can't seem to retrain myself. I'm working on getting my beloved 10.04 theme back right now.
[02:06] <k_sze> And where is the tiling window manager?
[02:06] <k_sze> XD
[02:07] <Mike-Linux-NL> i need the window border to be thicker
[02:07] <Mike-Linux-NL> freegin 1px borders are a pain in the ass
[02:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> best window border what i used in gnome was Shiki-metacity-easy
[02:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> it had a 3px border
[02:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> easy to drag
[02:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> what happens when i open up a terminal and type: metacity --replace & ?
[02:12] <Mike-Linux-NL> lets try
[02:12] <ruien> yes, 3px is just about perfect for a window border
[02:12] <Mike-Linux-NL> hmm need to install metacity
[02:12] <Mike-Linux-NL> if it works, i could run compiz on xfce too!
[02:12] <Mike-Linux-NL> and use the shiki border!
[02:13] <k_sze> I have still never tried compiz.
[02:13] <k_sze> Is it really that good?
[02:14] <Mike-Linux-NL> well
[02:14] <Mike-Linux-NL> i think it makes the desktop smoother
[02:14] <Mike-Linux-NL> draggin around windows on the regular desktop can cause tearing sometimes
[02:14] <Mike-Linux-NL> not very smooth
[02:15] <Mike-Linux-NL> with compiz and wobbly windows enabled it makes them smooth
[02:15] <Mike-Linux-NL> better rendering
[02:15] <Mike-Linux-NL> like if you had more fps at a game or something
[02:15] <ruien> how much ram does it use and is it a big performance hit?
[02:16] <Mike-Linux-NL> well i even ran compiz on this dualcore laptop
[02:16] <ruien> oh ok
[02:16] <Mike-Linux-NL> and this one only has an intel onboard graphics
[02:16] <ruien> hm, and no problems?
[02:16] <Mike-Linux-NL> not really
[02:16] <ruien> cool, good to know
[02:16] <Mike-Linux-NL> compiz can be tweaked. you can use a lot of FX but you also can make it subtle
[02:17] <ruien> yeah i'd probably make it subtle, even on a beefy machine
[02:18] <Mike-Linux-NL> even on my core2quad with my Nvidia GTS250 i kept it subtle
[02:18] <Mike-Linux-NL> but its the little things that make a desktop shine
[02:18] <Mike-Linux-NL> even if its a lightweight one
[02:19] <Mike-Linux-NL> installing metacity now
[02:19] <Mike-Linux-NL> only 3mb on dependancies
[02:19] <Mike-Linux-NL> and since i have the light-themes package already installed... it should use the ambiance metacity immediately
[02:19] <xubuntu675> I thought XFCE had its own effects
[02:20] <xubuntu675> why do you need more?
[02:20] <Mike-Linux-NL> it does have a bit
[02:20] <Mike-Linux-NL> but it does not have a nice minimize effect
[02:20] <Mike-Linux-NL> or smoothing transitions to other workspaces
[02:21] <xubuntu675> Just curious how do you guys think Xubuntu 12.04 compares to 11.10?  I loved 11.10
[02:21] <xubuntu675> I'm installing 12.04 now
[02:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> i just tested out metacity by using the command: metacity --replace &
[02:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> how do i switch back to XFWM?
[02:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> xfwm --replace does not work?
[02:27] <xubuntu675> did you try XFWM capitalized
[02:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> hmm
[02:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> lets try
[02:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> does not wokr
[02:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> work
[02:28] <xubuntu675> Sorry I have no idea then
[02:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> mike@mike-laptop:~$ XFWM --replace
[02:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> XFWM: command not found
[02:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> mike@mike-laptop:~$ xfwm --replace
[02:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> No command 'xfwm' found, did you mean:
[02:28] <xubuntu675> I've never really used any effects stuff
[02:28] <Mike-Linux-NL>  Command 'xfm' from package 'xfm' (universe)
[02:28] <Mike-Linux-NL>  Command 'xfsm' from package 'alliance' (universe)
[02:28] <Mike-Linux-NL>  Command 'xfwm4' from package 'xfwm4' (universe)
[02:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> xfwm: command not found
[02:29] <xubuntu675> yea try xfwm4
[02:29] <xubuntu675> thats what the package is actually called
[02:29] <Mike-Linux-NL> xfwm4 --replace & did the trick!
[02:29] <Mike-Linux-NL> metacity even broke compositing...
[02:30] <xubuntu675> I've never liked metacity honestly
[02:30] <Mike-Linux-NL> same as xfwm
[02:30] <Mike-Linux-NL> no difference really
[02:30] <xubuntu675> Compiz cube was always interesting but it seemed like a gimmick
[02:30] <xubuntu675> pretty neat though
[02:31] <Mike-Linux-NL> well... its a nice way to control 4 workspaces or more
[02:31] <k_sze> Why am I seeing a bunch of i386 packages in the terminal output of the upgrade process even though I'm running the amd64 version? =_=;
[02:31] <GridCube> k_sze, multiarch is a reality
[02:46] <Mike-Linux-NL> hmmm
[02:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> why does Arch has a thunar-dropbox package and Xubuntu doesnt?
[02:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> even mint has it!
[02:48] <Mike-Linux-NL> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=72253
[02:48] <Mike-Linux-NL> can somebody put these packages in the Xubuntu repo?
[02:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> the tar files has debs in them :)
[02:51] <Optichip> http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/12/get-dropbox-copy-public-link-works-on.html  Mike-Linux-NL how bout this?
[02:52] <Mike-Linux-NL> i downloaded the tar on the linux mint site and installed the deb now
[02:52] <Mike-Linux-NL> hod do i restart thunar?>
[02:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> ah it works already!
[02:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> damn
[02:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> now i dont need nautilus anymore
[02:53] <Optichip> eww
[02:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> eww???
[02:53] <Optichip> hate nautilus
[02:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> yeah well
[02:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> for dropbox you need it
[02:54] <Optichip> well not anymore ;)
[02:54] <Mike-Linux-NL> somebody put those debs in the repo!
[02:54] <Mike-Linux-NL> btw.. nautilus is installed by default if you install Xubuntu 12.04
[02:54] <Optichip> ya
[02:55] <Optichip> quick switch to thunar fixed that
[02:55] <GridCube> Mike-Linux-NL, is not
[02:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> GridCube: it is
[02:56] <Optichip> I had Thunar as a File Manager from the get go
[02:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> do a clean install and open a command with alt+f2 and type : nautilus
[02:56] <GridCube> Mike-Linux-NL, it absolutely is not
[02:56] <ruien> Mike-Linux-NL: quick question - the actual layout of the xfce window manager - for example, where the "workspaces" widgit appears (bottom right, top right, etc) - is this part of the theme, or does it live somewhere else?
[02:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> it opens nautilus
[02:56] <GridCube> !info nautilus
[02:56] <GridCube> >is optional
[02:56] <GridCube> its not
[02:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> i uninstalled it now and when i go to the dropbox menubar icon and select: open drobox folder it opens Thunar
[02:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> yay
[02:59] <Mike-Linux-NL> however... the dropbox nautilus integration needs to be installed. if i remove it, it wants to remove thunar-dropbox too
[03:00] <Mike-Linux-NL> ah well another improvement to my install then
[03:08] <mikodo> So, how was the install/upgrade to 12.04 for everyone?, or is everyone here, already running the RC?
[03:09] <Mike-Linux-NL> clean install
[03:09] <Mike-Linux-NL> went well
[03:09] <Mike-Linux-NL> still online :P
[03:09] <mikodo> Mike-Linux-NL, Cool
[03:09] <Unit193> Upgrade actually went fairly well.
[03:09] <mikodo> lots of updates I suppose
[03:09] <Unit193> Didn't think it'd go that well.
[03:10] <ruien> did a clean install, no issues. I did have to disable acpi in the kernal options for my system to boot to the liveCD though.
[03:14] <mikodo> Glad it has gone well with both clean installs and upgrades!
[03:20] <ChristopherNg> !help
[03:21] <ChristopherNg> Ok anyone there?
[03:21] <ChristopherNg> I have a problem, my vps on the cloud is down
[03:21] <ChristopherNg> its not a problem by the cloud vendor
[03:21] <holstein> ChristopherNg: is it xubuntu?
[03:21] <ChristopherNg> yes
[03:21] <ChristopherNg> im trying to connect via ssl
[03:21] <holstein> ssh?
[03:21] <ChristopherNg> sorry
[03:21] <ChristopherNg> yes
[03:22] <holstein> you can lock yourself out
[03:22] <ChristopherNg> yes normally after a few attempts with the wrong password?
[03:22] <ChristopherNg> but i dont think thats whats happened here
[03:22] <holstein> ChristopherNg: no.. i mean, you can configure it where you cant get back in
[03:22] <holstein> ever
[03:22] <holstein> til you reset it
[03:22] <ChristopherNg> i dont think i did anything like that.
[03:22] <ChristopherNg> but..
[03:23] <Mike-Linux-NL> i was waiting for hte but....
[03:23] <Mike-Linux-NL> :P
[03:23] <ChristopherNg> its got alot of my things on it, my ircbot, my bit torrent seeds, and some files.
[03:23] <ChristopherNg> so i need to get in.
[03:23] <ChristopherNg> but the vendor is saying everything is fine from thier side
[03:23] <ChristopherNg> so its my issue
[03:23] <holstein> ChristopherNg: how did you configure ssh?
[03:24] <ChristopherNg> what do you mean?
[03:24] <holstein> ChristopherNg: why did you use xubuntu if you are going to connect over ssh?
[03:24] <holstein> ChristopherNg: how did you configure the ssh server you are trying to connect to?
[03:24] <ChristopherNg> yeah thats funny, because i didnt need the gui lol
[03:25] <ChristopherNg> holstein: i cant remember
[03:25] <ChristopherNg> thats probably the problem
[03:25] <holstein> ChristopherNg: you'll need to sort that out
[03:25] <ChristopherNg> yes but but i think its been hijacked
[03:25] <ChristopherNg> because ive been sharing that vps
[03:25] <holstein> ChristopherNg: then, you'll want to reset it anyways likely
[03:25] <ChristopherNg> so someone probably changed the settings.
[03:26] <holstein> id say, reinstall a server OS and use your backups
[03:26] <ChristopherNg> yes
[03:26] <ChristopherNg> but the account is not mine entirely, its shared
[03:26] <holstein> ChristopherNg: cool
[03:26] <ChristopherNg> and i cant get into contact with the person who has it under his name
[03:26] <holstein> ChristopherNg: if its hacked, you'll need to address it
[03:26] <holstein> ChristopherNg: theres nothing anyone here can do
[03:27] <ChristopherNg> yes so its not xubuntu problem then?
[03:28] <ChristopherNg> well im going to go away and see what i can do, hopefully they backup the contents of peoples vps
[03:28] <holstein> ChristopherNg: if someone has compromised your system, and changed the credentials... no, thats not a xubuntu proble
[03:28] <holstein> problem*
[03:28] <holstein> xubuntu is doing exactly what its designed to do
[03:28] <ChristopherNg> holstein: its on the cloud so its harder to fix it remotely
[03:28] <holstein> ChristopherNg: you should have an admin panel
[03:28] <holstein> where you can wipe the OS
[03:28] <ChristopherNg> yes but my files????
[03:29] <ChristopherNg> i dont want them wiped with it
[03:29] <holstein> ChristopherNg: yup.. your backups will be needed
[03:29] <ChristopherNg> ok well thanks
[03:29] <holstein> ChristopherNg: this might be the time you learn about the improtance of having backups unfortunately
[03:29] <ChristopherNg> no no ...
[03:29] <holstein> ChristopherNg: no?
[03:29] <ChristopherNg> i think my vps vendor has backups of vps contents
[03:30] <holstein> ChristopherNg: you think?
[03:30] <holstein> ChristopherNg: why would they?
[03:30] <holstein> are you paying them to?
[03:30] <ChristopherNg> yes
[03:30] <ChristopherNg> i believe so
[03:30] <holstein> ChristopherNg: then, call them and tell them to fix it
[03:30] <ChristopherNg> and if the account been hacked then its thier problems
[03:30] <holstein> ChristopherNg: using the backups you are paying for
[03:31] <ChristopherNg> but my worry is they will say something because account sharing is not allowed
[03:31] <holstein> ChristopherNg: well... i would
[03:31] <ChristopherNg> do you think you can try to ssh into it?
[03:31] <holstein> ill try
[03:31] <ChristopherNg> well..
[03:31] <ChristopherNg> you know something.
[03:32] <ChristopherNg> im going to go into the irc channel there
[03:32] <ChristopherNg> and see if i can get help before getting someone to break in lol
[03:45] <k_sze> hal is no longer needed in Precise?!
[03:47] <astraljava> k_sze: I think it was deprecated already a couple years ago.
[03:52] <k_sze> And Precise defaults to btrfs now, right? fsck for btrfs is ready for production now?
[03:53] <astraljava> k_sze: No, precise defaults to ext4.
[03:54] <k_sze> Upgrade finished. Rebooting now. /me crossing fingers
[04:13] <xubuntu945> есть тут кто?
[04:14] <xubuntu945> помогите с установкой и выбором
[04:16] <xubuntu945> тут есть с России?
[04:17] <holstein> xubuntu945: you do english?
[04:17] <astraljava> Do we have a -ru channel?
[04:17] <holstein> yeah.. xubuntu945, try #ubuntu-ru
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[04:18] <holstein> xubuntu945: /join #ubuntu-ru
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[04:19] <holstein> xubuntu945: the russian speaking channel
как на него попасть?
[04:20] <holstein> присоединиться к каналу #ubuntu-ru
[04:22] <holstein> Вы должны просто набрать /join #ubuntu-ru
[04:26] <xubuntu245> hi... :)
[04:30] <k_sze> Hmm, zenity is crashing everytime I close the "Input Method Switcher" dialog.
[04:56] <astraljava> k_sze: File a bug, that's bad.
[05:02] <xubuntu249> ?
[05:02] <xubuntu249> lan?
[05:03] <astraljava> Hmm? Can you try to elaborate a little bit? Hard to help with that.
[05:04] <xubuntu249> ?
[05:04] <xubuntu249> me?
[05:04] <astraljava> Yes, xubuntu249, you.
[05:05] <Unit193> astraljava: He's asking if you're on a LAN>
[05:05] <astraljava> What a peculiar question.
[05:06] <xubuntu249> http://www.benda.co.il/cs/benda/product.aspx?p_id=13607
[05:07] <xubuntu249> not tound
[05:07] <xubuntu249> found
[05:10] <astraljava> xubuntu249: Unless you can add a few words into your sentences, we really can't help. Maybe try #ubuntu-il ?
[07:08] <k_sze> When using `less` to view a file, how do I find out how much longer the text has to go?
[07:09] <k_sze> or how many more lines to go before EOF is reached?
[07:12] <ruien> weird, according to the manpage, "less -M" shows the percentage, but for me it only shows the line numbers you're viewing.
[07:34] <arpad2> whats the difference between xfce and xubuntu session?
[07:35] <forestpiskie> xubuntu loads the extra bits - themes etc I believe
[07:36] <arpad2> and the xfce gives the native xfce desktop?
[07:37] <arpad2> also after upgrade the sound control from the panel doesnt work
[07:40] <ruien> arpad2: when you say "doesn't work", do you mean that you can't load the sound control?
[07:43] <ruien> earlier someone else had trouble with sound after an upgrade; here's a paste of that conversation in case it helps: http://pastebin.com/ffWXf0NZ
[07:43] <arpad2> ruien: no. I can't change the sound level by moving mouse cursor over the mixer plugin on the panel and scrolling the mouse wheel.
[07:43] <arpad2> ok, I look into that
[07:46] <ruien> is anyone familiar with how themes in general work with Xubuntu? I chose the "Albatross" theme included in the 12.04 Settings -> Appearance -> Style window, and also chose Albatross in the Settings -> Window Manager, but the result is nothing like what Albatross should look like: http://shimmerproject.org/files/2011/06/albatross-600x375.png
[08:01] <koegs> what does it look like if you select it?
[08:05] <ruien> koegs: essentially the same as the default Graybird theme, except that windows, etc are styled correctly according to the albatross theme. For example, there is still a pop-up "program dock launcher" at the bottom of the screen and the minimized windows still go to the top of the screen, exactly like the default theme.
[08:07] <ruien> it was my understanding that a theme controls all aspects of the window manager, including where the programs minimize to, where the main "application menu" button appears, where the workspaces widget appears, etc.
[08:12] <ruien> example: http://download.ryansanden.com/tmp/xubuntu12.04_albatross_01.png
[08:18] <ruien> I guess I'm not really asking someone to solve the problem, but just to confirm that if they switch their own freshly-installed Xubuntu 12.04 to Albatross in the same way I did, the layout appears as per the image I presented earlier (http://shimmerproject.org/files/2011/06/albatross-600x375.png) and not as mine appears (http://download.ryansanden.com/tmp/xubuntu12.04_albatross_01.png)
[08:19] <xubuntu674> hello, i have a question
[08:19] <ruien> sure, go for it
[08:20] <xubuntu674> i am using two monitors in a dual head config, but when i click the application menu button in the panel on the left screen, it opens the menu on the right side of the left screen instead of right under the app. menu button
[08:20] <xubuntu674> the taskbar is stretched accros the two screens
[08:21] <xubuntu674> 12.04 btw
[08:21] <ruien> hmm, dual-monitor setup is not something I have experimented with yet in any way, unfortunately.
[08:21] <knome> ruien, gtk themes do not control panel layout
[08:22] <ruien> s/have experimented/have not experimented/
[08:22] <ruien> knome: oh, really? That explains everything then. Any idea where those live? The documentation is .. lacking.
[08:22] <knome> ruien, right-click the panel and edit the properties
[08:23] <knome> ruien, actually, right-click, then in the "panel" submenu, "panel preferences"
[08:23] <knome> ruien, you'll be able to control the panels there. the default "dock-like" panel is just a panel that has transparency and autohides :)
[08:24] <ruien> oh, interesting. Heh, i've been using Xfce for two years and didn't know about that
[08:24] <ruien> by the way, the 10.04 default theme is what I am attempting to reproduce. That theme was perfect.
[08:24] <knome> ruien, albatross is not completely gtk3-compliant yet, so there might be glitches
[08:24] <ruien> or, I guess, s/theme/panel layout/
[08:24] <knome> ruien, thanks for the compliments though
[08:25] <ruien> :)
[08:25] <knome> i like something similar too, but the panels switched so the app menu is in the bottom
[08:25] <knome> xubuntu674, did you check right-click -> panel -> panel preferences ?
[08:26] <ruien> when you say "gtk3", do you mean GTK+ 3.x?
[08:26] <knome> xubuntu674, in the tab "display", there's the option "output", that should fix your problem
[08:26] <knome> ruien, gtk3 generally
[08:26] <ruien> ok
[08:26] <knome> ruien, and oh yeah, 3.x
[08:26] <knome> ruien, 3.4 more than 3.3 etc... but the gtk3 support generally might have issues
[08:27] <ruien> yeah, I saw a bug report from a few hours ago about that. I'm patient, and I know it will be fixed eventually.
[08:27] <knome> ruien, hopefully we are able to do that for the Q release
[08:28] <ruien> that would be cool
[08:28] <knome> ruien, we're planning a slight facelift too :)
[08:28] <xubuntu674> knome, that online moves the panel from to one screen, it stops the panel spanned acros two screens
[08:29] <ruien> so, are you the mastermind behind the albatross theme?
[08:29] <knome> ruien, albatross is originally by 4 people, i'm one of them
[08:30] <knome> ruien, http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/albatross/xfwm_condensed-legacy.png (new at top, old at bottom)
[08:30] <ruien> that's great. Really, I've used that for two years and it's been the best GUI I've had the pleasure of working with, so thank you for your contribution.
[08:30] <knome> no problem!
[08:30] <xubuntu674> i am using albatros too on a 10.10 install since the release
[08:31] <ruien> ooh, that looks nice
[08:31] <knome> :)
[08:32] <koegs> i really like axiom, just need to find something matching for gtk-3.0
[08:34] <knome> koegs, not many themes support gtk3 fully (or even almost) yet
[08:35] <knome> xubuntu674, actually, i can confirm that bug
[08:35] <koegs> knome: i know, i have merge axiom with greyness-gtk, but gtk-3.0 in 3.2 seems to be broken :)
[08:35] <koegs> editing gtk-3.0 css is not very easy, so it will take some time for me
[08:36] <knome> xubuntu674, would you like to file a bug for that?
[08:39] <xubuntu674> it is a know bug ?
[08:44] <knome> xubuntu674, i don't know
[08:44] <knome> xubuntu674, search launchpad.net, if it isn't run 'ubuntu-bug xfce4-panel' in terminal
[08:45] <knome> xubuntu674, i'd do it myself but i need to run soon, so if you can help, it would be much appreciated :)
[10:36] <Kingsy> sorry guys how do you change morrors again? I am getting the new packages for the upgrade at the moment at 32KB/s the upgrade is gonna take 14 hours.. its just stupid
[10:38] <dekkz> click on settings in update manager if thats what ur using
[10:39] <Kingsy> hmm it says I am using the UK site.. that is where I am so that probably is best I am gonna get
[10:40] <dekkz> try one of indivual uk servers
[10:40] <dekkz> dunno if "uk" is a round robin or just random uk server
[10:41] <Kingsy> ah YEAH much faster.. I am getting 6MB/s now..
[10:41] <Kingsy> dekkz: thanks m8
[10:41] <Kingsy> lol 14hours down to 3 mintues.. now thats a hell of a difference
[10:42] <dekkz> been at it 3hrs here now speed down to 22kb/s
[10:42] <Kingsy> dekkz: and you cant change the mirror?
[10:43] <dekkz> not now no
[10:43] <Kingsy> why?
[10:43] <Kingsy> I just cancelled my upgrade.. and resumed
[10:43] <dekkz> im in getting new pacakages, settings disappeared
[10:43] <Kingsy> just cancel and resume
[10:44] <dekkz> which server u pick
[10:44] <Kingsy> I picked my the server that was on my isp
[10:44] <Kingsy> so you should do the same.. if its there
[10:44] <dekkz> ahh
[10:45] <Kingsy> anyways brb.. it just finished so I am gonna close the terminal while it installs
[11:00] <Papa-Smurf> Jello
[11:01] <Papa-Smurf> Is it available the upgrading to Xubuntu 12.04 from 11.10, i can't find any message from the update manager
[11:02] <Unit193> If not, I sure made a mistake a few hours ago! ;)
[11:03] <Unit193> In terminal, do-release-upgrade  works.
[11:05] <Papa-Smurf> Unit193, what is about the update-manager? does the upgrade work from there?
[11:07] <Unit193> Should.
[11:07] <Papa-Smurf> ¿?
[11:09] <Papa-Smurf> thanks to everybody now the upgrade form the Update-Manager appears, cheers!!
[11:09] <Unit193> Great.
[11:16] <Kingsy> yay upgrade done :)
[11:39] <ktulhy> Hello! Who speak Russian? Кто из России?
[11:39] <Unit193> !ru
[11:41] <ktulhy> Unit193, Thanks!
[11:43] <Denmeroa> Hello, do you mind if I ask a question?
[11:44] <Denmeroa> Can you play PC games (Example: Fallout: New Vegas) on Xubuntu?
[11:58] <xubuntu818> hi, how i can install xubuntu without grub...?
[12:04] <ktulhy> !ru
[12:25] <DoctorD90_> hi!!!
[12:25] <DoctorD90_> sorry i get a trouble
[12:26] <DoctorD90_> i was updating to 12.0x lts version my xubuntu
[12:26] <DoctorD90_> pc  turn off for low battery
[12:26] <DoctorD90_> when i restart all
[12:26] <DoctorD90_> it is like dont load icon
[12:27] <DoctorD90_> do not recognize mouse (is a portable..its pad i mean)
[12:27] <DoctorD90_> and i cant restart patial update...
[12:27] <DoctorD90_> what  can do pls??
[12:29] <DoctorD90_> .....
[12:30] <DoctorD90_> i download it some days ago -.-
[12:30] <DoctorD90_> and now comes back download of 12 xD
[12:30] <DoctorD90_> okok...i understand
[12:30] <DoctorD90_> i download new and install that again
[12:30] <DoctorD90_> ^^
[12:30] <DoctorD90_> thx to all
[12:32] <yass> Hello. How do I get the NOX style in the new release 12.04?
[13:14] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[13:14] <forestpiskie> o/
[13:15] <ThePendulum> Is there a way to pretty up the Xubuntu login screen?
[13:15] <ThePendulum> To be more like the newer Ubuntu one?
[13:18] <dekkz> well that was painless
[13:19] <ThePendulum> dekkz: What was? :O
[13:21] <dekkz> 11.10 > 12.04
[13:21] <ThePendulum> I'm about to switch from 12.04 to 12.04
[13:22] <ThePendulum> And release my own distro
[13:23] <dekkz> nice
[13:24] <dekkz> only had to reinstall 1 firefox ext cant find anything else thats broke
[13:32] <Alan> Does anybody know how to choose which pulseaudio output the XFCE volume control modifies?
[13:34] <xubuntu882> Hi
[13:35] <xubuntu882> Where can I find prebuilt deb packages of XFCE 4.10pre2?
[13:35] <xubuntu882> thanks
[13:41] <Sysi> xubuntu882: https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa
[13:42] <xubuntu882> thanks Sysi
[13:42] <dekkz> u looked in sound settings ala
[13:42] <dekkz> n
[13:43] <Alan> dekkz: sound settings where? you mean pavucontrol, that you get when you click "sound settings" on the mixer indicator?
[13:43] <Alan> that doesn't let you change device priorities or what the mixer will control :(
[13:43] <xubuntu882> Sysi, Which install?
[13:44] <Sysi> Alan: if you set xfce4-mixer-plugin to control pulseaudio master channel, it will control whatever you set in pavucontrol
[13:44] <Sysi> xubuntu882: err?
[13:45] <Alan> Sysi: except you can't set anything in pavucontrol?
[13:45] <xubuntu882> I have to install xfdesktop4 right?
[13:46] <xubuntu882> sorry,  xfce4 - 4.10~pre2~ppa1
[13:46] <xubuntu882> ok
[13:47] <Alan> Sysi: i see it'll let me choose what to control in xfce4-mixer, so that'll do
[13:47] <Sysi> Alan: you can set sound output device, look for available channels for alsamixer if you want to just control different outputs
[13:47] <Alan> Sysi: you can't set the sound output device in pavucontrol, that's my point
[13:47] <Alan> it just lists them, it doesn't let you set which one is the primary
[13:47] <Sysi> xubuntu882: after adding that ppa just running updates will probably get you xfce 4.10
[13:48] <xubuntu882> ok thanks
[13:48] <Sysi> Alan: it lets you choose the used one?
[13:48] <Alan> it lets you set which one is fallback, but that does nothing to what the mixer indicator changes the volume of
[13:49] <dekkz> im using pulseaudio eq as output device
[13:49] <Alan> Sysi: http://imgur.com/a/BVqzT
[13:49] <Alan> that's the pavucontrol screens
[13:50] <Alan> i think both Sysi  and dekkz are talking about the xfce4-mixer screen - Xubuntu 12.04 doesn't even install xfce4-mixer by default
[13:50] <Alan> it uses the pulseaudio mixer indicator thing
[13:50] <xubuntu882> bye !
[13:51] <dekkz> im going to pa volume control window
[13:51] <Sysi> Alan: don't talk about xfce4-mixer(-plugin) if you're asking about pulseaudio applet
[13:52] <Alan> Sysi: you're the one who started talking about xfce4-mixer
[13:53] <Sysi> pulseaudio applet isn't "xfce volume control"
[13:53] <Alan> ok, fair point
[13:53] <Alan> i should have been less specific
[13:53] <Alan> so that you'd assume i'm using what's default in xubuntu 12.04
[13:54] <Sysi> I'm not currently using 12.04 no pulseaudio :P
[13:55] <dekkz> what u using then
[13:55] <jforman> hey guys. i recently upgraded to 12.04 but now when i try to boot my machine after the upgrade, i get grub errors "no such partition." i cant seem to get any setting on the command line to work. any ideas about how to get things working again?
[13:55] <Alan> also, has anybody else been noticing glitches, possibly multi-monitor related, where windows randomly jump to somewhere else when you try and click something on them?
[13:56] <Alan> but only happens occasionally?
[13:56] <Sysi> dekkz: "u" is using 11.10 with just alsa, to be upgraded
[13:56] <dekkz> ahh ok
[13:56] <forestpiskie> Alan: I've been using muliple monitors for a couple of weeks - not seen anyhting like that
[13:57] <dekkz> jforman; sorry no idea
[13:57] <Sysi> jforman: reinstalling grub from livecd would be worth a shot
[13:58] <dekkz> sysi: do alsa pulseaudio tend to clash ?
[13:59] <Alan> forestpiskie: i've got 2 machines here doing it - 1 with nvidia drivers, one with ATI drivers (both proprietary)
[13:59] <Alan> as far as i'm aware i haven't seen it on my work machine running intel graphics
[13:59] <jforman> Sysi: hmm okay. i assume a 12.04 livecd, not an 11.10. will give that a shot. thanks
[14:01] <forestpiskie> Alan: using nouveau here - but when I was using nvidia I didn't see it either, though I do use devilspie to set wworkspaces for things I use a lot. If you get nowhere ping me and I'll turn off devilspie and use nvidia to see if I can replicate it.
[14:04] <Alan> forestpiskie: well the most annoying part of the problem is I can't reliably reproduce it
[14:04] <Alan> it just happens completely at random, infrequently
[14:05] <forestpiskie> :(
[14:05] <Alan> ok, could somebody tell me what the pulseaudio indicator applet is actually called, so i can try and google for some help on either killing it or at least changing which device it controls?
[14:05] <scut> Isnt new xubuntu and its installer somehow broken ? O_O
[14:05] <Alan> ooh, maybe that's indicator-sound ?
[14:05] <forestpiskie> think so Alan :)
[14:06] <forestpiskie> Alan: when you next get the monitor issue - have a look in .xsessions-errors in your home
[14:07] <scut> and doh it wont install grub on first partition in /dev/sda O_O
[14:07] <forestpiskie> use the something else option to install - you can specify grub there for sure
[14:08] <scut> funny is... i cant install grub anywhere...
[14:09] <forestpiskie> I saw someone the other day had similar with uefi bios or whatever it's called
[14:09] <scut> i have normal bios only :)
[14:09] <forestpiskie> but the option's there each and everytime I've installed 12.04 - I always use the something else option though
[14:17] <csioktel> i installed debian on my computer, is there any easyway to convert debian to xubuntu?
[14:20] <Sysi> dekkz: I think pulseaudio sucks on ubuntu, on fedora it works
[14:21] <Sysi> csioktel: reinstall is easiest
[14:21] <dekkz> in what way does it suck on ubuntu, only ever used suse or ubuntu
[14:22] <Sysi> it integrates badly with alsa and messes with alsa channels
[14:22] <Alan> pulseaudio used to seem ok on ubuntu
[14:23] <Alan> but xubuntu embracing it isn't working very well for me ¬_¬
[14:23] <Sysi> apps feel also less integrated with it on ubuntu, on fedora xfce everything was nicer
[14:23] <dekkz> sysi: thats what i was told
[14:25] <Justanick> Hello, why do I get the error message "File or folder not found" where the file is existing?
[14:27] <Sysi> you have wrong path I guess
[14:27] <Justanick> ls -l shows -rwxrwxr-x 1 daniel daniel 15419168 Mär 16 00:28 flashplayer
[14:27] <Justanick>  ./flashplayer [New line] bash: ./flashplayer: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[14:28] <Justanick> "Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" is in englisch "File or folder not found"
[14:28] <Sysi> in same folder you ran ls -l in?
[14:28] <Justanick> Yes
[14:28] <Sysi> try using tabcompletion, works in same way as in irc
[14:29] <Sysi> !tab
[14:29] <Alan> ahahah
[14:29] <Alan> ok, screw this, problem solved: blacklist snd_hda_intel_hdmi
[14:29] <Alan> no more HDMI sound devices, nothing for indicator-sound to be unsure about
[14:30] <Sysi> that's what I did, alsa conf files are awful
[14:30] <xubuntu123> Hi
[14:30] <dekkz> hi
[14:30] <Justanick> Sysi, tabcompletation shows after ./f -> ./flashplayer
[14:30] <xubuntu123> Xubuntu amd64 has multiarch support ?
[14:31] <Sysi> Justanick: and you still get error file not found?
[14:31] <Justanick> SandJ,  Yes
[14:31] <Justanick> Sysi, Yes
[14:31] <Justanick> SandJ, Sorry ;)
[14:31] <Sysi> that's genuinely weird
[14:32] <drc> The Tab Completion givith and the Tab Completion taketh away
[14:32] <xubuntu123> I can install i386 packages on xubuntu amd64?
[14:33] <Justanick> Sysi, I have had the same problem yesterday with a few other bins
[14:33] <Sysi> xubuntu123: yes
[14:33] <xubuntu123> Ok
[14:33] <xubuntu123> it's an Xubuntu precise feature ??
[14:34] <Sysi> it's gnu/linux feature
[14:34] <xubuntu123> Sysi: Thanks
[14:37] <Justanick> Any ideas, where I can search for a solution?
[14:41] <ThePendulum> Is there a way to replace the login screen with a better looking one?
[14:42] <Sysi> yes
[14:43] <Sysi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/75755/how-to-change-the-lightdm-theme-greeter
[14:45] <Justanick> Same problem happens on the Xubuntu installation on the NAS. File not found.
[14:46] <Sysi> what if you use entire filename? pwd+filename
[14:48] <Justanick> File or folder not found :(
[14:48] <Sysi> ..err path
[14:48] <Sysi> anyway
[14:49] <Justanick> pwd ->/home/daniel/Downloads/Osada
[14:49] <Justanick> -> ./home/daniel/Downloads/Osada/flashplayer
[14:50] <koegs> without the "."
[14:50] <Justanick> koegs, File or folder not found
[14:50] <Sysi> you're running 64bit xubuntu and that binary is 32bit?
[14:50] <Justanick> koegs, Also with and without the point at the beginning
[14:51] <Justanick> I'm running 64.
[14:51] <koegs> "file /home/daniel/Downloads/Osada/flashplayer"
[14:51] <Sysi> ./ in bash means current folder, "cd ." works but doesn't really do anything :)
[14:51] <lotato> hello!
[14:51] <Justanick> File is 32-bit
[14:53] <lotato> I'm hoping I navigated the site correctly! Is this where I can ask nooby questions without being laughed at? :]
[14:54] <Sysi> yup
[14:54] <dekkz> yup
[14:54] <Justanick> Shouldn't the 32 Bit file not run ?
[14:54] <Sysi> Justanick: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534
[14:54] <jeepfanatic> Hi ... just switched to 12.04 and I'm having some issues with a few AWN applets and a few screenlets that crash on startup.  Seeing as they're all written in python, I was hoping to find out if there have been reports of problems w/ python apps in Precise or if anyone has any ideas how to deal with the issue.
[14:55] <Sysi> it should run, but you need 32libs for it
[14:55] <Justanick> Sysi, Taking a look at the link
[14:55] <Sysi> "ia32 suite" tells about libs
[14:56] <lotato> I posted my issue here < http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/24513445 > but I'll summarize it quickly. Essentially, my volume keys work (as in it displays the notification that the volume is being adjusted), but without actually affecting the sound.
[14:56] <Sysi> jeepfanatic: bug reports can be found in launchpad.net
[14:57] <Sysi> jeepfanatic: if you get errors when starting awn/screenlets in terminal you might get some idea
[15:00] <jeepfanatic> rob@negator:~$ python -u /usr/share/screenlets/screenlets-pack-all/Terminal/TerminalScreenlet.py
[15:00] <jeepfanatic> Traceback (most recent call last):
[15:00] <jeepfanatic>   File "/usr/share/screenlets/screenlets-pack-all/Terminal/TerminalScreenlet.py", line 23, in <module>
[15:00] <jeepfanatic>     import vte
[15:00] <jeepfanatic> ImportError: No module named vte
[15:01] <jeepfanatic> so if i'm thinking right there are pieces missing in python?
[15:02] <dekkz> lotato: your not only one to see that, its been mentioned on xubuntu mailing list
[15:02] <Sysi> jeepfanatic: try installing package python-vte
[15:03] <jeepfanatic> installed python-vte and it works now :)  thanks!
[15:04] <Justanick> Sysi, koegs  Thank you. It is working now.
[15:04] <lotato> Ah that's a shame :/ At least the volume control applet works!
[15:05] <lotato> Is this something that an update down the road will fix, or will I have to do something out of the ordinary?
[15:06] <dekkz> too early to tell
[15:08] <Sysi> lotato: try removing package xfce4-volumed, running "killall xfce4-volumed" and set hotkeys for "amixer set Master 5%+" and 5%-
[15:09] <csioktel> Sysi: how to set the hotkeys?
[15:09] <Sysi> in keyboard settings
[15:11] <Sysi> you can also try installing gnome-settings-daemon (with apt-get --no-install-recommends) and set gnome services to be launched at startup in session settings (after removing xfce4-volumed)
[15:11] <lotato> I'm a bit confused. I uninstalled volumed and ran killall, but I don't understand setting the hotkeys
[15:12] <dekkz> sysi: beware that gnome-settings-daemon has a mute button bug where it wont un mute either amixer or PA
[15:12] <lotato> is it the applications shortcut part of the keyboard settings?
[15:12] <Sysi> lotato: first try running "amixer set Master 5%+" in terminal (without quotes)
[15:13] <Sysi> dekkz: I think that's somewhere else (too).. or was before 12.04
[15:13] <Sysi> g-s-d *can* mess up all kind of stuff, like mouse settings
[15:14] <lotato> this was the ouput when I ran amixer set Master 5%+
[15:14] <lotato> http://pastebin.com/UDQwFFJD
[15:14] <Sysi> was volume raised?
[15:15] <csioktel> i just installed ulatencyd, and feel the system is more responive.
[15:17] <dekkz> sysi: that bug is what i have but i just use the ind app which works ok
[15:18] <Sysi> I use alsa, amixer works
[15:19] <Sysi> I'll probably install 12.04 later today, I can try to find actual fix
[15:20] <dekkz> sysi: ive looked up bug no fix yet, think they just agreed that its a genuine bug
[15:24] <lotato> The amixer set commands do work, and I've mapped them to my volume keys :) the only remaining issue I have is that when I press the mute button, pressing it again does not unmute (pressing the volume increase key does not unmute it either)
[15:24] <lotato> does this apply? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#Change_volume_with_keyboard_volume_buttons
[15:24] <dekkz> thats a known bug lotato
[15:25] <dekkz> no fix yet
[15:25] <dekkz> i've got it same as you
[15:26] <lotato> well at least it's comforting to know it's not a result of a mistake I made :>
[15:26] <dekkz> just use ind app to mute/unmute
[15:26] <Sysi> you can unmute by turning vol up
[15:26] <Sysi> IIRC
[15:27] <dekkz> not here either via slider or keyboard
[15:27] <lotato> I can do it via the slider applet, thankfully, as well as my vol up/down keys now. pressing the vol up does not unmute it though
[15:31] <ball> I love it when I join a channel and my question's answered in the topic ;-)
[15:32] <ball> Now I'm debating whether to try an in-situ upgrade to Xubuntu 12.04
[15:39] <lotato> Thanks again for the help everyone! Having the volume keys mapped is a great, and the mute not working isn't that big of a deal. Have a good day!
[15:39] <lotato> is great* my grammar is suffering lol
[15:40] <lotato> goodbye!
[15:47] <Guest14218> xubuntu 12.04 is good
[15:52] <ball> I don't think I'll upgrade just yet. It might break something.
[15:52] <Unit193> That's what I thought, was going to wait a while but had to reboot the computer so just went with it.
[15:54] <ThePendulum> How does one get to use Xubuntu, yet still be afraid to break something?
[15:54] <GridCube> ThePendulum, ?
[15:54] <GridCube> ThePendulum, what do you mean=
[15:54] <ball> brb
[15:55] <ThePendulum> GridCube: Well, at some point, a person probably switched from Windows to Linux. If you made that switch, how could upgrading from Xubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 be an issue?
[15:55] <ball> ThePendulum: why assume everyone came from Windows?
[15:56] <drc> ThePendulum: You're right, s/he should be used to linux breaking things by now
[15:56] <Unit193> ThePendulum: Simply because upgrades aren't known for going well, and may need a reinstall.
[15:56] <ball> ThePendulum: I could fix it if the upgrade hosed my system, I have backups and can download a 12.4 .iso. I would rather avoid the inconvenience.
[15:56] <ball> drc++
[15:57] <GridCube> ThePendulum, easy, if you get to do the W>L switch you set your mind to a complete change, once you get to do a L > L you hope things to remain working the same
[15:57] <ThePendulum> It doesn't matter if one used Windows before or not, but if you ended up using Linux somehow, then I assume one has a certain technological knowledge and an upgrade shouldn't be all that frightening
[15:57] <GridCube> in any case this is offtopic matters
[15:57] <ball> Perhaps I shouldn't have said "afraid" then.  More "wary"
[15:58] <ball> GridCube: why is an upgrade to Xubuntu 12.4 off-topic?
[15:58] <ThePendulum> ball: Because anything Xubuntu related is considered offtopic in this channel, afaik
[15:59] <drc> ball: That wasn't offtopic. the rest of our conversation was.
[15:59] <GridCube> ball, the part i got to was more about a philosophical matter than anything else, sorry
[16:01] <ball> GridCube: I think it's valid in that we're discussing potential sources of anxiety (or wariness ;-) surrounding the upgrade process.  I think that's fair game.
[16:02] <ThePendulum> GridCube: The discussion is not interrupting any technical support.
[16:07] <ball> GridCube: ...provided we keep it civil. ;-)
[16:09] <GridCube> ThePendulum, no its not, but people with problems migth get scare to ask if they are afraid to interrupt :)
[16:10] <GridCube> but we are able to continue discussing non technical issues on #xubuntu-offtopic if thats not a problem
[16:14] <ThePendulum> Is it possible to 'install' another login screen?
[16:15] <ThePendulum> Which looks a bit like the Ubuntu one?
[16:15] <Unit193> Manager, or greeter?
[16:15] <Unit193> !info unity-greeter
[16:16] <ThePendulum> I think I mean the greeter. The one that allows you to select a user and requests your password
[16:19] <Unit193> That's what Ubu uses.
[16:19] <ThePendulum> I figure
[16:19] <ThePendulum> Is it possible to make Xubu use it?
[16:20] <ThePendulum> Without losing Xfce
[16:20] <Unit193> Yep, just be careful for what it'd install.
[16:21] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install unity-greeter --no-install-recommends
[16:21] <ThePendulum> I'll keep that in mind
[16:21] <ThePendulum> I'm going to try to customize Xubuntu and release my own 'distro'
[16:22] <ThePendulum> But the login screen is definitely one of the things that bothers me most, besides the default theme
[16:25] <razvan> can i make xubuntu more lighter?
[16:26] <ThePendulum> razvan: If you need it lighter, I'd go for Lubuntu with lxde
[16:27] <ThePendulum> But aware, Lubuntu is so light it may blow away
[16:27] <razvan> ive tried...but i some cases its so slluggish
[16:28] <ThePendulum> razvan: What do you need it to be light for?
[16:28] <PatrickBic> is there some way to set this "hold longer to right-click" functionality in 12.04? (maybe more a xfce then a xubuntu question ;) )
[16:28] <razvan> ive got a netbook....1,6ghz...1gb ram....it doesnt heats up so fast when i used lubuntu
[16:29] <PatrickBic> talking about touchscreen and holding finger onto it for a longer period of time
[16:29] <razvan> with xubuntu heats up more quick
[16:30] <ThePendulum> PatrickBic: I'd indeed ask the Xfce guys for that
[16:31] <PatrickBic> ThePendulum, thanks for making it clear =)
[16:31] <ThePendulum> PatrickBic: The people in here may be able to help you, but I'm afraid I'm not, and I seem to be the only one active right now. The Xfce channel is probably quicker
[16:32] <PatrickBic> well.. I'm not in a hurry but i'll ask those guys (and girls ofc ;) ) over there :P
[16:52] <GridCube> its not
[16:53] <GridCube> XD
[16:53] <GridCube> half an hour later
[16:53] <Wizard> Good afternoon.
[16:55] <GridCube> :)
[16:55] <GridCube> good
[16:56] <ball> hello vinny
[16:56] <vinny> hello
[17:02] <Wizard> GridCube, ?
[17:02] <Wizard> What's going on?
[17:04] <GridCube> :) not much
[17:04] <ball> Can Xubuntu bridge (or route) between a wireless LAN that's connected to the Internet and a wired LAN that is not?
[17:04] <GridCube> lots of new nicks comming with the new release and stuff :D
[17:05] <GridCube> ball, as linux can, yes
[17:05] <GridCube> thats pretty much non-xubuntu related
[17:05] <ball> GridCube: Where would be a good place to ask?
[17:05] <gim_> Hello. Is it possible to install DropBox in Xubuntu without installing nautilus?
[17:05] <GridCube> gim_, yes
[17:06] <GridCube> gim_, http://softwarebakery.com/maato/thunar-dropbox.html
[17:06] <GridCube> ball, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces
[17:06] <GridCube> you can start there
[17:08] <ball> Thanks GridCube
[17:11] <GridCube> ball, when i said is not xubuntu related i meant its not exclusivelly a thing from xubuntu, its more like an universal thing
[17:12] <ball> I understood, there's common underlying infrastructure.
[17:12] <GridCube> :)
[17:12] <GridCube> yes
[17:14] <Wizard> ball, I don't want to ruin your world, but Xubuntu is a regular linux distribution.
[17:16] <ball> Wizard: "regular" as in ordinary?
[17:16] <Wizard> More like in "common".
[17:16] <Wizard> Or "typical"
[17:17] <ball> I don't have a lot of Linux experience, even though the first time I installed it was from 5.25" 1.2M floppies.
[17:17] <Wizard> You don't have to.
[17:18] <ball> hello em
[17:26]  * Wizard yawns.
[18:00] <muxxy> hey guys, what's wrong with xubuntu digital cameras support? in fresh installs of both xubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 it's impossible to import my photos using gthumb (no cameras found)... i tried two different cameras in ptp mode (they work with command-line gphoto or other linux distros)
[18:01] <GridCube> mmm
[18:01] <holstein> muxxy: i would look into whatever kernel worked... maybe search around my the device and see how others are doing it
[18:01] <GridCube> muxxy, can you launch gthumb from a terminal and try again, then pastebin whatever dumps to the terminal?
[18:02] <holstein> yeah.. i like that idea ^^
[18:02] <muxxy> hmmm
[18:02] <muxxy> ok
[18:04] <muxxy> it dumps this message when I try to import photos...
[18:05] <muxxy> (gthumb:5130): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_file_chooser_set_current_folder_file: assertion `G_IS_FILE (file)' failed
[18:07] <muxxy> btw, it works in this xubuntu installation when I do a gphoto2 --get-all-files
[18:08] <holstein> muxxy: so, it *is* possible then?
[18:08] <muxxy> yeah, it is...
[18:10] <muxxy> it seems a gthumb related problem... I don't know if gthumb is using gphoto directly
[18:10] <muxxy> or relies on other libraries
[18:10] <holstein> well, you can forget the kernel idea i had.. or anything about driver support.. i was confused when you said "impossible"... that implied that the action was impossible to me
[18:11] <muxxy> i meant, impossible with gthumb ;)
[18:12] <muxxy> actually gtkam and shotwell work too
[18:13] <GridCube> muxxy, https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/21682
[18:14] <GridCube> he has your same error dump
[18:14] <GridCube> no apparent solution
[18:16] <muxxy> hmm maybe I should try reinstalling gthumb and its dependencies...
[18:16] <muxxy> or i can stick to gtkam or the command line
[18:16] <GridCube> let me do some more research muxxy
[18:16] <muxxy> it's jsut that I find really weird that the tool that is included by default doesn't work for me (on both 11.10 and 12.04)
[18:17] <GridCube> muxxy, we didnt really had much testing on that to be honest
[18:18] <muxxy> yeah, but it seems nobody complained about this, so it doesn't seem like a bug
[18:18] <GridCube> well, it probably is
[18:18] <GridCube> :)
[18:18] <GridCube> thats why we need people helping us to make things better
[18:19] <GridCube> muxxy, if you want to can send a bug report
[18:19] <muxxy> maybe I should test it with ubuntu :?
[18:19] <GridCube> people related to gthumb should read it :)
[18:19] <GridCube> muxxy, i don't think i would make any difference
[18:19] <GridCube> but you can tryh
[18:20] <muxxy> do u mean it won't work in ubuntu?
[18:20] <GridCube> muxxy, i mean i wont be much of a difference
[18:20] <GridCube> its the same core
[18:28] <muxxy> i rebooted with the livecd
[18:29] <muxxy> gthumb doesn't dump any message now...
[18:29] <muxxy> but camera still not working
[18:30] <Delemas> Since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04, I've been unable to type properly as my ' key has been overridden to create special characters. i.e. to get a ' I have to type ' space. How do I turn that off?
[18:35] <xubuntu887> ok
[18:36] <GridCube> Delemas, what keyboard layoud do you use?
[18:36] <GridCube> english one'
[18:36] <GridCube> ?
[18:40] <Sysi> can I resize partitions with alternate disk?
[18:41] <GridCube> yes
[18:42] <Sysi> can I resize so that free space will be at the beginning of disk? (or at the end of first partition)
[18:42] <GridCube> mmmm dont really know
[18:42] <GridCube> let me chec
[18:43] <Sysi> mmh, I have full backup, could just wipe entire disk
[18:44] <muxxy> GridCube, the GTK file dialog makes it to work... I mean, if I open the GTK file dialog and I click on Sony PTP (the filesystem of my camera), it starts working with gthumb
[18:44] <muxxy> I have to do this everytime I connect the camera...
[18:45] <GridCube> muxxy, yes, that sounds about right, the error you get is with importing from gtk (IA__gtk_file_chooser)
[18:45] <muxxy> hmm well, I'm not getting this error when I run it from the livecd
[18:45] <GridCube> might be a problem with gtk3? i dunno
[18:46] <muxxy> maybe...
[18:52] <GridCube> Sysi, so, apparently you can resize just well, and for what i see you get the freespace remaining at the last of the old partition
[18:54] <GridCube> but when creating a new partition from freespace you can choose where to put it at the begining or at the end
[18:55] <muxxy> GridCube, you are right... I cannot find "Sony PTP" in the File dialog of gtk2 applications...
[18:56] <GridCube> so then the problem aint in gthumb but in gtk file chooser
[18:56] <Sysi> GridCube: oh yeah, I can make *several* changes before actually writing changes to disk
[18:56] <GridCube> no
[18:56] <GridCube> each event gets written to disk
[18:57] <GridCube> Sysi, the alternate cd uses partman
[18:57] <Sysi> well, I'll see what happens, I have SSD and data backed up on HDD. should alternate disk pushed to usb stick with dd boot?
[18:58] <muxxy> GridCube, yeah, it seems a gtk2/gtk3/gvfs bug...
[18:58] <GridCube> i use unetbootin without any problem so... yeah i guess it should work
[18:58] <GridCube> muxxy, sorry to hear about that :(
[19:07] <cwillu> How does one fix the missing menu syndrome?
[19:08] <holstein> from the panel?... add a menu to the panel
[19:08] <holstein> you can make a new user or fire up the live CD if you need to learn what got removed
[19:08] <cwillu> holstein, the button is there
[19:09] <cwillu> it's the contents that are missing
[19:09] <cwillu> alacarte still shows everything
[19:09] <holstein> not sure.. i would try a new user and troubleshoot from there
[19:09] <cwillu> I might just restore my oneiric backup :/
[19:10] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.config/menus
[19:11] <holstein> yeah... thats worth a try
[19:11] <Sysi> or preferably mv ~/.config/menus ~/menubackup
[19:11] <cwillu> yeah, given that I do in fact have things in there I want in there :p
[19:13] <cwillu> next, my indicators are all massively huge and vertically oriented
[19:14] <cwillu> it appears that we caught the syndrome gnome panel had, such that the only virtuous orientation was that of the containing panel
[19:14] <GridCube> cwillu, you did an upgrade?
[19:14] <cwillu> yes
[19:15] <GridCube> cwillu, delete ALL the old configs
[19:15] <GridCube> rm ~/.local
[19:15] <cwillu> speaking of actively distructive advice
[19:15] <GridCube> or from thunar better, press ctrl-h
[19:16] <GridCube> cwillu, thats how things are
[19:16] <Sysi> cwillu: you have vertical panel?
[19:16] <cwillu> Sysi, yes
[19:16] <Unit193> GridCube: -r
[19:16] <GridCube> old config files mess with new software
[19:16] <cwillu> GridCube, that's a new one
[19:16] <Sysi> mhm, I wonder if behaviour of indicators is possible to change
[19:16] <GridCube> Unit193, yes... i know. im just reallyh afraid from that -r
[19:17] <Unit193> You can toss in a -v too, just don't recommend -f
[19:17] <cwillu> GridCube, given that that's the only way to make rm ~/.local actually do anything...
[19:17] <GridCube> cwillu, well, im not going to be constructive then, thats whay i do
[19:17] <bsmith0931> i had a beautiful black theme from elegant gnome, is it possible to have something similar in xubuntu?
[19:17] <cwillu> you're not being constructive, you're recommending a course of action that will blow away a lot of settings which are not supposed to get blown away
[19:17] <Marzata> Xubu 12.04 is great! Thank you community!
[19:17] <Sysi> bsmith0931: themes that work in gnome work in xfce, except window manager themes
[19:18] <GridCube> bsmith0931, try using the same theme, if its a gtk one it might work, you can also use albatross
[19:18] <Shirakawasuna> Marzata: what kind of stuff is new? I couldn't find anything exciting in the release notes
[19:18] <Sysi> GridCube: albatross now has gtk3?
[19:18] <bsmith0931> windo manager themes meaning a white window will have to stay white and glaring instead of a plesant gray?
[19:18] <GridCube> Sysi, no, not yet :(
[19:18] <Sysi> GridCube: then I wouldn't recommend it for *fixing* something
[19:18] <GridCube> bsmith0931, it depends on what themes you choose
[19:19] <bsmith0931> ive tried to install new themes but they dont show up
[19:19] <Marzata> Shirakawasuna: I love the the design touches.
[19:19] <GridCube> bsmith0931, put them on ~/.local/themes
[19:19] <bsmith0931> ohi was moving them to the root theme folder
[19:19] <Sysi> that works too? I think it should be ~/.themes
[19:20] <GridCube> gods im just bad today
[19:20] <GridCube> i should leave
[19:20] <GridCube> you are correct Sysi
[19:20] <bsmith0931> there too the themes folder in my account and nothing
[19:20] <GridCube> ;_; sorry
[19:20] <GridCube> i don't know where my mind is
[19:20] <Shirakawasuna> Marzata: themes and such?
[19:20] <Sysi> GridCube: I think you're going kde or something
[19:20] <GridCube> XD lol Sysi
[19:21] <GridCube> bsmith0931, Sysi is right, themes should go to ~/.themes
[19:21] <GridCube> now i will go and stop doing a fool of myself
[19:21] <bsmith0931> what menu will they show up in ? cause i put them there
[19:22] <bsmith0931> /home/ben/.themes
[19:22] <Sysi> settings -> appearance, after you've reopened it
[19:22] <Marzata> Shirakawasuna: and tons of new sw
[19:22] <Shirakawasuna> Marzata: cool
[19:22] <Sysi> bsmith0931: window manager themes in window manager settings
[19:22] <bsmith0931> where are window manager settings
[19:23] <Sysi> in settings manager
[19:23] <bsmith0931> ive looked there not in the sleection menu for themes in appearance
[19:23] <GridCube> bsmith0931, as Sysi said, theres 2
[19:24] <muxxy> GridCube, it seems it isn't a xubuntu bug anyway... they have the same problem with cameras, gvfs and thunar on archlinux
[19:24] <bsmith0931> there in both afaik which two just to make sure?
[19:24] <Sysi> btw, icons go to ~/.icons
[19:24] <GridCube> mmhm muxxy thats the first bug i pasted you, remember?
[19:25] <muxxy> yeah, well... that one was about gthumb... but it seems this gthumb/thunar bug is kinda the same
[19:25] <Sysi> theme folder need to be like ~/.themes/themename/gtk-2.0 (gtk-3.0|xfwm4) ofc
[19:25] <GridCube> mmhm yes
[19:25] <GridCube> :)
[19:26]  * Sysi goes to sauna ->
[19:27] <bsmith0931> ok the theme folder i wnat to use has an xfwm4 folder with all sorts of stuff in it now where do i go to activate that theme im not even sure im running xfce or an xubuntu session or what the diff is
[19:29] <GridCube> bsmith0931, to be sure you can logout and relogin
[19:30] <bsmith0931> to use a theme from xcfwm4 which do i want?
[19:30] <GridCube> but the theme should be there on appareance->style   and on window manager -> style
[19:33] <aguitel> anyway to install amsn in 12.04?
[19:35] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install amsn
[19:37] <aguitel> GridCube, not in repo
[19:37] <holstein> http://www.amsn-project.net/linux-downloads.php aguitel
[19:37] <GridCube> !info amns
[19:37] <GridCube> !info amsn
[19:37] <aguitel> holstein, ok
[19:37] <GridCube> o:
[19:37] <GridCube> !info amsn oneiric
[19:38] <GridCube> how weird
[19:39] <holstein> yeah... not sure why it would get taken out
[20:09] <muxxy> bye guys... and thanks ;)
[20:18] <Uhlik> hi, evening
[20:18] <Uhlik> got problem with xbmc on xubuntu 12/04
[20:21] <GridCube> !details | Uhlik
[20:22] <Gosset_Inofensiu> goog evening all
[20:22] <Uhlik> working on it
[20:22] <GridCube> evening
[20:24] <Uhlik> latest and fresh xubuntu, i am installed xbmc from software center, i am switched to start xbmc  after reboot in session manager, but xbmc is onlz blank screen after system start and i have no waz how to turn it off and set xfce/subuntu session back
[20:26] <GridCube> Uhlik, you can press ctrl-alt-f1 and to to tty1
[20:27] <Gosset_Inofensiu> a quick question: is it possible to change thunar for gnome in xubuntu?
[20:27] <GridCube> from there you can login and do a sudo killall xbmc, or even a >sudo service ligthdm restart
[20:27] <Sysi> Gosset_Inofensiu: thunar for nautilus you mean? yes it is
[20:28] <GridCube> Uhlik, that last one its probably the best one
[20:28] <Gosset_Inofensiu> sorry yes
[20:28] <Uhlik> so write it in in blind into terminal<
[20:28] <Uhlik> like*
[20:29] <Gosset_Inofensiu> Sysi, if I do so, will I get any system conflicts or anything unstable?
[20:29] <Sysi> Gosset_Inofensiu: you need to set nautilus to not take over the desktop, but apart from that there should be no issues
[20:29] <GridCube> Uhlik, you should be able to see on the tty, no matter what xbmc did
[20:30] <Uhlik> ok, iam gonna try it, thx
[20:30] <Gosset_Inofensiu> ok thanks Sysi
[20:31] <enzodac> hello
[20:31] <GridCube> sup?
[20:31] <enzodac> i am from italy
[20:32] <tjingboem> how can i move /tmp to another partition?
[20:32] <enzodac> i am installing xubuntu for first time, is it egual to debian?
[20:33] <Wizard> Egual?
[20:33] <enzodac> sorry, my english is not very well
[20:34] <Wizard> Mine to, don't worry.
[20:35] <Wizard> Xubuntu is based on Debian.
[20:35] <GridCube> enzodac, if you mean if its equal to gnome, then its similar to gnome2
[20:35] <enzodac> thanks
[20:35] <GridCube> if you mean if its similar to xfce on debian, then yes, it just use some edited menus
[20:36] <enzodac> ciao, and thank you
[20:39] <Uhlik> hey, iam back  :)
[20:39] <Uhlik> it helps with small modification
[20:40] <Uhlik> killall xbmc and/or lightdm restart was going back into the same blank screen, si i am removed xbmc and then killall and lightdm restart
[20:40] <Gosset_Inofensiu> i am asking myself why nautilus has an option to resize images and thunar hasn't
[20:41] <Gosset_Inofensiu> resize = edit
[20:41] <GridCube> Gosset_Inofensiu, it just don't
[20:41] <Uhlik> thanx a lot for help
[20:41] <Gosset_Inofensiu> it is an amazingly helpful feature
[20:47] <Gosset_Inofensiu> although I don't dare to try to implement it on thunar
[20:47] <Gosset_Inofensiu> nobody here works with xubuntu + nautilus?
[20:49] <aguitel> many people here are old gnome user
[20:49] <Wizard> I don't like nautilus, I never did.
[20:49] <Wizard> Eversince it appeared in Gnome 1.4 :(
[20:50] <Gosset_Inofensiu> glups
[20:50] <mongy> what do you mean 'edit' ?  there is 'open with' and if you have an editor installed, there it is.
[20:51] <aguitel> anyway to make single click in desktop to open applications ?
[20:51] <Wizard> Hmm..
[20:51] <mongy> and if you have the chops, you can create custom actions.
[21:04] <Gosset_Inofensiu> i am just discovering those custom actions things
[21:04] <Gosset_Inofensiu> could it be that thunar is more configurable than gnome indeed?
[21:04] <Gosset_Inofensiu> for a desktop user
[21:06] <GridCube> dunno, never actually used nautilus
[21:10] <mongy> http://salinelinux.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=software&action=display&thread=98  for some examples
[21:11] <mongy> I use the disk usage one, since selecting multiple files/folders to get size is not possible otherwise
[21:14] <GridCube> i use df
[21:15] <mongy> I can use df too, but sometimes just quicker to use thunar.
[21:15] <ThePendulum> Damned
[21:16] <mongy> if I'm already there that is.
[21:16] <ThePendulum> I accidently disabled one of my screens, and now I can't use my main account any longer... is there a way to revert that setting?
[21:17] <aguitel> anyone know how install xfce 4.10 in precise ?
[21:18] <mongy> aguitel: there is a ppa if you search for it
[21:19] <aguitel> mongy, you did ?
[21:23] <mongy> aguitel: https://plus.google.com/112064450121097287690      scroll down a little
[21:23] <mongy> "Note: Keep in mind that this is not a final/stable Xfce 4.10 release"
[21:26] <aguitel> mongy, you installed?
[21:28] <mongy> nope
[21:28] <aguitel> ok
[21:44] <hydester_> trying to install openshot and getting "Depends" error that I can't resolve.  using precise.  depends on python-mlt3, libmlt4, etc.
[21:45] <hydester_> not really sure openshot is the best tool for the job, but not being able to install certainly is an issue anyway
[21:47] <Sysi> did you update package lists before trying to install?
[21:51] <hydester_> Sysi: yes.  even tried the ppas
[21:53] <hydester_> fails the same way on two different machines, buth running xubuntu precise amd64
[21:53] <hydester_> both
[22:00] <ThePendulum> I accidently disabled one of my screens. Is there a way to turn it back on from a guest login?
[22:06] <hydester_> ThePendulum: why from guest?
[22:06] <ThePendulum> hydester_: Because the screens has been disabled on my main account, which makes it impossible to do anything
[22:08] <hydester_> ThePendulum: you can try xrandr... http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2.  but i only have used it in the account i want to change
[22:10] <well_laid_lawn> moving ~/.config/xfce4 before logging in might help
[22:10] <hydester_> ThePendulum: you could always unplug the montor that is disabled so you can get to a terminal in the main account
[22:10] <well_laid_lawn> *before logging in to the gui
[22:11] <hydester_> not sure which is more brute force
[22:12] <hydester_> but in general i find it handy to know how to use xrandr.  esp since dual screen support in xubuntu (probably xfce's fault) seems to be lacking
[22:13] <hydester_> that is, via gui like in gnome, etc.
[22:13] <ThePendulum> I guess I'll just throw a reinstall at it
[22:30] <ThePendulum> I'm afraid I need to ask one more time...
[22:30] <ThePendulum> What, again, should I add to "sudo apt-get install unity-greeter" to prevent my system from going titanic?
[22:31] <ThePendulum> Something with no and recommended, but I keep forgetting what exactly in what order
[22:32] <ThePendulum> Unit193:
[22:32] <Unit193> --no-install-recommends
[22:32] <ThePendulum> Good golly, thanks. I hope I don't forget it again
[22:33] <hydester_> or don't use unity greeter
[22:33] <ThePendulum> hydester_: Any other alternatives?
[22:33] <ThePendulum> I'm not very fond of the default one
[22:34] <hydester_> i don't know, maybe lightdm?
[22:34] <ThePendulum> hydester_: That's the default one
[22:34] <ThePendulum> Brb, reboot
[22:34] <GridCube> hydester, ... unity greeter is a lightdm skin
[22:34] <ThePendulum> ^ That, too
[22:34] <hydester_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/75755/how-to-change-the-lightdm-theme-greeter
[22:34] <hydester_> oh, just a skin.
[22:36] <hydester_> i just automatically avoid anything with "unity" in it out of habit
[22:36] <GridCube> lol
[22:36] <hydester_> although i just went from ubuntu to xubuntu while other people i know fled to mint
[22:37] <hydester_> i wonder how canonical feels about mint users or other distros based off of ubuntu
[22:37] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic please
[22:38] <GridCube> ;)
[22:38] <hydester_> sorry.  i won't ask how the weather is either :)
[22:39] <hydester_> i used boot repair today to fix a bad boot after upgrade... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A2nd_option_:_install_Boot-Repair_in_Ubuntu
[22:40] <hydester_> worked nice, although it wasn't clear that my logs would be uploaded to paste.ubuntu.com
[22:41] <GridCube> :D i find that an awesome feature
[22:41] <t0rx__> anyone ever had success setting up an extended monitor on a Intel Atom w/ integrated graphics card?
[22:42] <t0rx__> xrandr isn't seeing 2 monitors when I'm hooked up
[22:42] <GridCube> t0rx__, try arandr
[22:42] <GridCube> though if xrandr doesnt see them then you might need to create a xorg.conf
[22:43] <t0rx__> GridCube, I thought 12.04 didn't use xorg.conf anymore?
[22:43] <knome> t0rx__, not by default
[22:43] <GridCube> t0rx__, not default
[22:44] <GridCube> thats why i saud you might need to create one
[22:44] <GridCube> s/saud/said/
[22:45] <t0rx__> got it.  never seen arandr, this gui is pretty cool.
[22:45] <GridCube> :)
[22:46] <hydester_> arandr is new to me too.  "ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '1200@65'"
[22:46] <hydester_> it doesn't like me
[22:47] <t0rx__> I get some python errors, looks like arandr is calling xrandr and my warning from that is flowing through
[22:47] <hydester_> isn't this a valid mode?   "1600x1200@65"
[22:49] <t0rx__> GridCube, looks like arandr isn't seeing it, or letting me create a new layout.
[22:50] <t0rx__> If I create an xorg.conf how do I make it active since 12.04 doesn't use it by default?
[22:50] <GridCube> well, you said xrandr didnt saw it either, arandr wont do anything xrandr doesnt because its just a gui for it
[22:50] <GridCube> !xorg
[22:50] <GridCube> !xorgconf
[22:50] <GridCube> t0rx__, ^^^^
[22:51] <t0rx__> got it, thanks  I'll start some recon && try to get it working.  Thanks for the help.
[22:51] <GridCube> good luck
[22:59] <t0rx__> Any idea where what package xorgconfig is in under 12.04?
[23:02] <GridCube> t0rx__, you need to use Xorg -configure
[23:02] <GridCube> no xorgconfig
[23:03] <bsmith093> gedit forgets where i was in my files, how do i fix this?
[23:03] <GridCube> its not gedit, its the gtk file selector
[23:04] <bsmith093> when i open a file and scroll through , gedit used to remember the cursor position and open to that spot, like a builtin bookmark, this was really handy.
[23:04] <t0rx__> GridCube, that says the server is already active for display 0
[23:04] <GridCube> t0rx__, well, yes
[23:04] <bsmith093> crap, so how do i get that back? ubutnu 12 to xubuntu convert
[23:04] <t0rx__> I figure'd I'd try to make it generate an xorg.conf that I could then edit && load up.
[23:04] <GridCube> bsmith093, well, :/ don't know, it like a missing feature
[23:05] <GridCube> t0rx__, http://www.osguides.net/operation-systems/217-how-to-create-xorgconf-in-ubuntu-910.html
[23:05] <bsmith093> i]do i need nautilus
[23:05] <t0rx__> but none in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:05] <GridCube> you see, you have to stop lightdm now, not gdm
[23:05] <GridCube> but its the same
[23:05] <knome> t0rx__, Xorg.conf - not xorg.conf
[23:06] <GridCube> to stop lightdm you do sudo service lightdm stop
[23:07] <ThePendulum> Talking about lightdm, is there any way to configure unity greeter?
[23:07] <ThePendulum> There should be a config file in the lightdm directory, but there isn't
[23:07] <GridCube> ThePendulum, yes there is
[23:08] <GridCube> ThePendulum, hopefully quantal quetzal will have a nicier lightdm :D
[23:08] <t0rx__> GridCube thanks.  I'll check it out.
[23:08] <ThePendulum> GridCube: No, there really isn't :P And yes, that would be nice
[23:08] <ThePendulum> GridCube: Perhaps a classier default theme would be... nice.
[23:10] <ThePendulum> brb
[23:13] <GridCube> D:
[23:13] <ThePendulum> Dammit! Why won
[23:13] <ThePendulum> -won't my dual screens work on startup
[23:13] <GridCube> i... lost... ownership of my own folders :(
[23:14] <GridCube> oh, no i just lost ownership of /tmp
[23:14] <SandJ> In Xubuntu 11.10 how do I stop X?   (so I can install NVidia drivers)
[23:15] <GridCube> SandJ, go to a tty and >sudo stop lightdm
[23:16] <GridCube> then install your drivers by ./nvidiainstaller.sh
[23:16] <GridCube> or whatever
[23:16] <SandJ> GridCube, if I disappear suddenly, it worked and so thank you in advance!
[23:17] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/210180
[23:17] <GridCube> nice ah
[23:17] <GridCube> nice, really helpful error is really helpful
[23:18] <ThePendulum> rotfl
[23:18] <aguitel> power manager is not working in my pc ,i want to switch off the monitor but it not working
[23:18] <ThePendulum> aguitel: If you smash the screen really hard, it will eventually turn off
[23:18] <cbrunos> hi
[23:18] <GridCube> !nothelping | ThePendulum
[23:19] <cbrunos> will xfce 4.10 be available on xubuntu 12.04?
[23:19] <ThePendulum> :O
[23:19] <aguitel> ThePendulum, how i do?
[23:19] <GridCube> cbrunos, no
[23:19] <GridCube> cbrunos, there is a ppa
[23:19] <ThePendulum> aguitel: Well, please don't smash it... what settings have you tried so far?
[23:19] <ThePendulum> brb, reboot
[23:19] <cbrunos> GridCube: ok, nice thanks!
[23:20] <GridCube> cbrunos, https://plus.google.com/112064450121097287690/posts/8Z5jnh8cRb1
[23:20] <cbrunos> I guess this ppa contains now the stable 4.10 version?
[23:21] <aguitel> ThePendulum, i disable screen saver and in advanced tab i check power management enabled all in 5 minutes
[23:21] <GridCube> cbrunos, probably dunno
[23:21] <cbrunos> GridCube: ok thx, I'll take a look!
[23:22] <GridCube> good luck
[23:22] <GridCube> aguitel, you want your monitor to lock?
[23:22] <aguitel> GridCube, no ,only black
[23:23] <Unit193> cbrunos: There is no stable 4.10 version.
[23:23] <knome> Unit193, xfce 4.10 was released today ;]
[23:24] <Unit193> >_>
[23:24] <Unit193> <_<
[23:24] <GridCube> i don't know then, i have a lock screen option there, and you can disable all screensavers so it will just blackout
[23:24] <Unit193> \o/
[23:24] <knome> Unit193, but the repository is probably not up-to-date yet
[23:24] <GridCube> i don't know then, i have a lock screen option there, and you can disable all screensavers so it will just blackout, aguitel
[23:24] <knome> Unit193, and also, it's not guaranteed that it'll work well with 12.04 anyway
[23:24] <GridCube> nope
[23:24] <ThePendulum> I hate the fact my splash screen resolution gets too low after I've installed my video drivers
[23:24] <Unit193> Yeah.
[23:25] <GridCube> yeah
[23:25] <ThePendulum> Any way to reverse it, and make the splash screen 1920x1080 again?
[23:25] <GridCube> you can edit the grub stage and give it the desired resolution
[23:26] <ThePendulum> Any guide on how to do so?
[23:26] <GridCube> ThePendulum, http://askubuntu.com/questions/54067/how-do-i-safely-change-grub2-screen-resolution
[23:27] <ThePendulum> Does it only support 4:3 resolutions?
[23:28] <GridCube> my netbook uses 1024x600 so, no
[23:28] <ThePendulum> Ah, I thought I read that somewhere
[23:30] <SandJ> @GridCube, cheers dude.  I'm now running the latest NVIDIA driver.   ("lightdm" - I'd never have guessed that.)
[23:31] <GridCube> SandJ, lightdm its the standard dm for ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/medibuntu, etc
[23:31] <GridCube> it replaced gdm
[23:31] <ThePendulum> How do I enter the grub during start-up?
[23:31] <GridCube> ThePendulum, read the link i passed you...
[23:31] <GridCube> :/
[23:32] <GridCube> it says right there
[23:32] <ThePendulum> "Reboot and press and hold shift to display your grub."
[23:32] <ThePendulum> Yeah, well, that doesn't do shite
[23:32] <GridCube> it does
[23:33] <GridCube> anyway i have to reboot and see if i didnt break things for good
[23:33] <ThePendulum> It doesn't for me :(
[23:33] <ThePendulum> Exactly where do I have to start holding shift?
[23:51] <GridCube> D:
[23:51] <GridCube> good gods
[23:51] <GridCube> D: i've lost all my partitions
[23:51] <GridCube> they are gonne
[23:52] <Unit193> How'd you manage that?
[23:52] <GridCube> i was doing a simple update from the update manager
[23:52] <Unit193> Or, should I !ask you? :P
[23:52] <GridCube> and it said the error i pasted earlier
[23:53] <GridCube> and i couldnt write to /tmp
[23:53] <GridCube> and then... i rebooted to see if that fixed stuff
[23:53] <GridCube> it went to the disk analizerd stage of plymouth
[23:53] <hydester_> boot-repair?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A2nd_option_:_install_Boot-Repair_in_Ubuntu
[23:53] <GridCube> for all the disks
[23:53] <GridCube> D:
[23:54] <GridCube> i meant for all the partitions on that disk
[23:54] <GridCube> oh thank you gods, /home stills there