[00:24] its quiet in here... [00:24] seems good! :P [00:36] I sometimes get prompted to fill in a keyring password. it just happens out of nowhere. if i click cancel, nothing bad happens. [00:37] it just appears on the desktop. it says you have not filled in the password for the keyring after you have logged in the computer [00:37] can i remove it, and if yes, where? .gnome2 perhaps? [00:52] Mike-Linux-NL: does it continue to appear even after you have filled in the keyring password? [00:55] Hey all - I'm having some trouble with my new Xubuntu 12.04 install. I don't have any sound to my headphones. [00:56] Under the "output" of the Sound Settings, I only get "HDMI/DisplayPort" and not my front panel/back panel headphone jacks. [00:56] Does anyone know the problem? [00:57] gjf: doesnt it mute the speakers, after you plugin the headphone?> [00:57] i am not from the support, but a user too [00:57] for me it helps when i log off, and then back in' [00:57] I'm not sure - I haven't got sound at all from this operating system. [00:58] I've restarted, and done all of that =/ [00:58] no sound at all? [00:58] None, but when I play something it shows up in the mixer. [00:58] It's just not outputting it to anything. [00:58] open a terminal [00:58] I only have a single port "HDMI/DisplayPort" [00:58] Alright, it's open. [00:58] and type: pulseaudio -k [00:58] Alright [00:59] then open up a command (alt+f2) and type pulseaudio [00:59] it should restart the service [00:59] It's restarted, let me log in and out. [00:59] I'm in the process of upgrading my Xubuntu box from 11.10 to 12.04. However, the upgrade program is telling me that "xscreensaver and xlockmore must be restarted before upgrading". How am I supposed to stop or restart them when I can't even open other programs anymore? Not even task manager. [00:59] k_sze: you can ignore those [01:00] gjf: I had that same problem under xubuntu 10.04 and solved it by running "alsamixer" (I think?) and then selecting the front mic and front output. Not sure if this applies in 12.04, but may be a good place to start [01:00] he needs to be back first [01:00] he relogged [01:01] or she [01:02] wb gjf [01:02] Thank you. The sound still isn't working, however :/ [01:03] rulen had an option too [01:03] Oh? I missed it. [01:03] press alt+f2 and start alsamixer [01:03] Alright, let me do that. [01:03] Nothing's muted. [01:04] But the only option I have for my sound card is HDA NVidia [01:04] onboard soundcard? [01:05] I'm not sure, I'm using an old computer from 2006. My main rig's power supply just broke. [01:05] But I can't select anything other than HDA NVidia [01:05] mmm [01:05] have you another OS on that computer? [01:05] liek windows? [01:06] I try not to use nonfree software, so no. [01:06] ok, it could be that there is something set wrong in the bios of the pc [01:06] sometimes on those older rigs you can choose between AC'98 or HD audio [01:06] I'll check it out. I'll report back in a few minutes. If this doesn't work, I'll just pick up a $5 USB audio adapter. [01:06] it also depends what kind of cable is used as front panel connector [01:06] I'll open 'er up [01:07] mmm left too son [01:20] I love you all. [01:21] cable? [01:21] BIOS [01:21] or bios setting? [01:21] ah [01:21] It was set to "AUTO" [01:21] I changed it to "ENABLED" [01:21] And then I went to the alsamixer and switched sound cards. [01:21] wich one are you using now then? [01:21] onboard or pci card? [01:22] Let me see [01:22] oh, onboard [01:22] But it wasn't showing up until I enabled it [01:22] I switched it from HDMI -> Built in Analog Stero [01:22] yeah well, onboard needs to be disabled to use a pci audio card normally [01:22] I didn't want to use the pci card, my HDMI cable is connected to the monitor [01:23] ah so the graphics card has an internal cable to the spdif connector on the motherboard? [01:23] I believe so [01:23] except when you have onboard hdmi [01:24] The HDMI card is PCI [01:24] ok [01:24] Anyways, the problem is solved. Thanks a lot for your help! [01:24] well, at least you got sound :) [01:24] Exactly! [01:25] great man, good work [01:25] Thanks - Now to configure nginx on my debian server ;__; [01:27] man.. a simnple bios setting could have ruined his Xubuntu experience :P [01:33] haha, yeah [01:35] Mike-Linux-NL: regarding your keyring issue, the keyring will pop up out of nowhere if your wireless card is attempting to authenticate at a network router, but it shouldn't pop up randomly once you have already entered your keyring password. Does this describe the behavior you're experiencing? [01:39] i dont use a keyring password [01:40] but i already deleted the keyrings in the .gnome2 folder [01:40] okay, did that work then? [01:40] or are you still prompted? [01:40] well i havent relogged or anything, but i am not being prompted [01:41] ok [01:41] i wonder if compiz would run on this [01:42] i tried in the beta [01:42] but xfwm would not work under compiz [01:45] Never tried compiz myself, so can't help there :( [01:45] I'm actually trying to figure out how to get rid of the 12.04 xfce environment and get back the 10.04 user interface [01:45] the pop-up application docker at the bottom makes me want to pull my fingernails out [01:46] did that already ;) [01:46] the 10.04 xfce interface was absolutely flawless [01:46] best UI i've ever used [01:47] i have made a gnome2 like interface [01:47] with docky tho [01:47] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4260461/Screenshots/Xubuntu-Precise.jpg [01:47] and Ambiance theme [01:47] and gnome apps [01:48] oh, that's really nice [01:49] where did you learn how to modify the UI? [01:49] google [01:49] and by modifying gnome [01:50] you just extract themes in /sur/share/themes or in /usr/share/icons as root to apply them system wide [01:50] or install themes for a ppa [01:50] wallpaper pack downloaded [01:50] my Ubuntu 10.04 look almost exactly like osx [01:51] with the meopard theme [01:52] Wow, so I could (in theory) copy the /usr/share/themes and /usr/share/icons from xubuntu 10.04 as a starting point for making 12.04 look like 10.04 [01:52] then maybe update related stuff in ~/.config [01:52] (or wherever the system-wide one lives) [01:53] this is my look of 10.04 what i had on this laptop before: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4260461/Screenshots/My-Ubuntu-Laptop.jpg [01:53] gnome2 [01:53] docky [01:53] faenza [01:54] that looks really nice although it's the opposite of my style. I really don't like the OSX interface [01:54] what do you like? [01:54] I like the 10.04 default xubuntu theme.. somehow i consider that perfect. [01:56] what i want to do, is make everything gnome2 like with ambiance and radiance as default themes, and default ubuntu wallpapers [01:56] gnome 2 look& feel and slipstream that in a new iso [01:57] help the people that are suffering from Gnome3 shell and unity [01:57] yeah, a noble cause indeed [01:58] man, the upgrade is taking pretty darn long. [01:59] estimate is still at 4 hours remaining. [01:59] wow [01:59] slow connection? [01:59] no, the packages have been all downloaded overnight already. [01:59] i installed xubuntu fresh last night [02:00] was done installing all apps, tweaking the desktop within 3 hours [02:00] Would it have been better if I downloaded the ISO, booted into Live CD and did the upgrade from there, instead of doing a live upgrade? [02:00] s/better/faster [02:01] Mike-Linux-NL: it took you 3 hours to do a fresh install? [02:01] yes, for sure. I did that with both of my machines and the install is less than an hour for sure [02:01] Right. I'll just skip live upgrade and use the ISO next time. [02:01] no [02:02] normal install was 15 mins [02:02] i meant deleting apps i didnt want, tweak the themes, installed all extra software i needed, tweaked lightdm and configured everything to my needs within 3 hours [02:03] ah [02:03] that means adding several ppa's etc [02:03] the default look of xubuntu is bad [02:04] The default theme is horrible in terms of window manipulation [02:04] the draggable border is almost inexistent. [02:04] I had to change to a different theme to get window borders that are reasonably thick and draggable. [02:05] yes, you are forced to use Alt-right-click-drag, and I can't seem to retrain myself. I'm working on getting my beloved 10.04 theme back right now. [02:06] And where is the tiling window manager? [02:06] XD [02:07] i need the window border to be thicker [02:07] freegin 1px borders are a pain in the ass [02:11] best window border what i used in gnome was Shiki-metacity-easy [02:11] it had a 3px border [02:11] easy to drag [02:11] what happens when i open up a terminal and type: metacity --replace & ? [02:12] lets try [02:12] yes, 3px is just about perfect for a window border [02:12] hmm need to install metacity [02:12] if it works, i could run compiz on xfce too! [02:12] and use the shiki border! [02:13] I have still never tried compiz. [02:13] Is it really that good? [02:14] well [02:14] i think it makes the desktop smoother [02:14] draggin around windows on the regular desktop can cause tearing sometimes [02:14] not very smooth [02:15] with compiz and wobbly windows enabled it makes them smooth [02:15] better rendering [02:15] like if you had more fps at a game or something [02:15] how much ram does it use and is it a big performance hit? [02:16] well i even ran compiz on this dualcore laptop [02:16] oh ok [02:16] and this one only has an intel onboard graphics [02:16] hm, and no problems? [02:16] not really [02:16] cool, good to know [02:16] compiz can be tweaked. you can use a lot of FX but you also can make it subtle [02:17] yeah i'd probably make it subtle, even on a beefy machine [02:18] even on my core2quad with my Nvidia GTS250 i kept it subtle [02:18] but its the little things that make a desktop shine [02:18] even if its a lightweight one [02:19] installing metacity now [02:19] only 3mb on dependancies [02:19] and since i have the light-themes package already installed... it should use the ambiance metacity immediately [02:19] I thought XFCE had its own effects [02:20] why do you need more? [02:20] it does have a bit [02:20] but it does not have a nice minimize effect [02:20] or smoothing transitions to other workspaces [02:21] Just curious how do you guys think Xubuntu 12.04 compares to 11.10? I loved 11.10 [02:21] I'm installing 12.04 now [02:26] i just tested out metacity by using the command: metacity --replace & [02:26] how do i switch back to XFWM? [02:26] xfwm --replace does not work? [02:27] did you try XFWM capitalized [02:27] hmm [02:27] lets try [02:27] does not wokr [02:27] work [02:28] Sorry I have no idea then [02:28] mike@mike-laptop:~$ XFWM --replace [02:28] XFWM: command not found [02:28] mike@mike-laptop:~$ xfwm --replace [02:28] No command 'xfwm' found, did you mean: [02:28] I've never really used any effects stuff [02:28] Command 'xfm' from package 'xfm' (universe) [02:28] Command 'xfsm' from package 'alliance' (universe) [02:28] Command 'xfwm4' from package 'xfwm4' (universe) [02:28] xfwm: command not found [02:29] yea try xfwm4 [02:29] thats what the package is actually called [02:29] xfwm4 --replace & did the trick! [02:29] metacity even broke compositing... [02:30] I've never liked metacity honestly [02:30] same as xfwm [02:30] no difference really [02:30] Compiz cube was always interesting but it seemed like a gimmick [02:30] pretty neat though [02:31] well... its a nice way to control 4 workspaces or more [02:31] Why am I seeing a bunch of i386 packages in the terminal output of the upgrade process even though I'm running the amd64 version? =_=; [02:31] k_sze, multiarch is a reality === pangolin is now known as Guest99593 [02:46] hmmm [02:47] why does Arch has a thunar-dropbox package and Xubuntu doesnt? [02:47] even mint has it! [02:48] http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=72253 [02:48] can somebody put these packages in the Xubuntu repo? === Guest99593 is now known as IdleOne [02:49] the tar files has debs in them :) [02:51] http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/12/get-dropbox-copy-public-link-works-on.html Mike-Linux-NL how bout this? [02:52] i downloaded the tar on the linux mint site and installed the deb now [02:52] hod do i restart thunar?> [02:53] ah it works already! [02:53] damn [02:53] now i dont need nautilus anymore [02:53] eww [02:53] eww??? [02:53] hate nautilus [02:53] yeah well [02:53] for dropbox you need it [02:54] well not anymore ;) [02:54] somebody put those debs in the repo! [02:54] btw.. nautilus is installed by default if you install Xubuntu 12.04 [02:54] ya [02:55] quick switch to thunar fixed that [02:55] Mike-Linux-NL, is not [02:56] GridCube: it is [02:56] I had Thunar as a File Manager from the get go [02:56] do a clean install and open a command with alt+f2 and type : nautilus [02:56] Mike-Linux-NL, it absolutely is not [02:56] Mike-Linux-NL: quick question - the actual layout of the xfce window manager - for example, where the "workspaces" widgit appears (bottom right, top right, etc) - is this part of the theme, or does it live somewhere else? [02:56] it opens nautilus [02:56] !info nautilus [02:56] nautilus (source: nautilus): file manager and graphical shell for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.4.1-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 823 kB, installed size 2395 kB [02:56] >is optional [02:56] its not [02:57] i uninstalled it now and when i go to the dropbox menubar icon and select: open drobox folder it opens Thunar [02:57] yay [02:59] however... the dropbox nautilus integration needs to be installed. if i remove it, it wants to remove thunar-dropbox too [03:00] ah well another improvement to my install then [03:08] So, how was the install/upgrade to 12.04 for everyone?, or is everyone here, already running the RC? [03:09] clean install [03:09] went well [03:09] still online :P [03:09] Mike-Linux-NL, Cool [03:09] Upgrade actually went fairly well. [03:09] lots of updates I suppose [03:09] Didn't think it'd go that well. [03:10] did a clean install, no issues. I did have to disable acpi in the kernal options for my system to boot to the liveCD though. [03:14] Glad it has gone well with both clean installs and upgrades! [03:20] !help [03:20] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [03:21] Ok anyone there? [03:21] I have a problem, my vps on the cloud is down [03:21] its not a problem by the cloud vendor [03:21] ChristopherNg: is it xubuntu? [03:21] yes [03:21] im trying to connect via ssl [03:21] ssh? [03:21] sorry [03:21] yes [03:22] you can lock yourself out [03:22] yes normally after a few attempts with the wrong password? [03:22] but i dont think thats whats happened here [03:22] ChristopherNg: no.. i mean, you can configure it where you cant get back in [03:22] ever [03:22] til you reset it [03:22] i dont think i did anything like that. [03:22] but.. [03:23] i was waiting for hte but.... [03:23] :P [03:23] its got alot of my things on it, my ircbot, my bit torrent seeds, and some files. [03:23] so i need to get in. [03:23] but the vendor is saying everything is fine from thier side [03:23] so its my issue [03:23] ChristopherNg: how did you configure ssh? [03:24] what do you mean? [03:24] ChristopherNg: why did you use xubuntu if you are going to connect over ssh? [03:24] ChristopherNg: how did you configure the ssh server you are trying to connect to? [03:24] yeah thats funny, because i didnt need the gui lol [03:25] holstein: i cant remember [03:25] thats probably the problem [03:25] ChristopherNg: you'll need to sort that out [03:25] yes but but i think its been hijacked [03:25] because ive been sharing that vps [03:25] ChristopherNg: then, you'll want to reset it anyways likely [03:25] so someone probably changed the settings. [03:26] id say, reinstall a server OS and use your backups [03:26] yes [03:26] but the account is not mine entirely, its shared [03:26] ChristopherNg: cool [03:26] and i cant get into contact with the person who has it under his name [03:26] ChristopherNg: if its hacked, you'll need to address it [03:26] ChristopherNg: theres nothing anyone here can do [03:27] yes so its not xubuntu problem then? [03:28] well im going to go away and see what i can do, hopefully they backup the contents of peoples vps [03:28] ChristopherNg: if someone has compromised your system, and changed the credentials... no, thats not a xubuntu proble [03:28] problem* [03:28] xubuntu is doing exactly what its designed to do [03:28] holstein: its on the cloud so its harder to fix it remotely [03:28] ChristopherNg: you should have an admin panel [03:28] where you can wipe the OS [03:28] yes but my files???? [03:29] i dont want them wiped with it [03:29] ChristopherNg: yup.. your backups will be needed [03:29] ok well thanks [03:29] ChristopherNg: this might be the time you learn about the improtance of having backups unfortunately [03:29] no no ... [03:29] ChristopherNg: no? [03:29] i think my vps vendor has backups of vps contents [03:30] ChristopherNg: you think? [03:30] ChristopherNg: why would they? [03:30] are you paying them to? [03:30] yes [03:30] i believe so [03:30] ChristopherNg: then, call them and tell them to fix it [03:30] and if the account been hacked then its thier problems [03:30] ChristopherNg: using the backups you are paying for [03:31] but my worry is they will say something because account sharing is not allowed [03:31] ChristopherNg: well... i would [03:31] do you think you can try to ssh into it? [03:31] ill try [03:31] well.. [03:31] you know something. [03:32] im going to go into the irc channel there [03:32] and see if i can get help before getting someone to break in lol [03:45] hal is no longer needed in Precise?! [03:47] k_sze: I think it was deprecated already a couple years ago. [03:52] And Precise defaults to btrfs now, right? fsck for btrfs is ready for production now? [03:53] k_sze: No, precise defaults to ext4. [03:54] Upgrade finished. Rebooting now. /me crossing fingers [04:13] есть тут кто? [04:14] помогите с установкой и выбором [04:16] тут есть с России? [04:17] xubuntu945: you do english? [04:17] Do we have a -ru channel? [04:17] yeah.. xubuntu945, try #ubuntu-ru [04:18] no [04:18] xubuntu945: /join #ubuntu-ru [04:18] ? [04:19] xubuntu945: the russian speaking channel [04:19] как на него попасть? [04:20] присоединиться к каналу #ubuntu-ru [04:22] Вы должны просто набрать /join #ubuntu-ru [04:26] hi... :) [04:30] Hmm, zenity is crashing everytime I close the "Input Method Switcher" dialog. [04:56] k_sze: File a bug, that's bad. [05:02] ? [05:02] lan? [05:03] Hmm? Can you try to elaborate a little bit? Hard to help with that. [05:04] ? [05:04] me? [05:04] Yes, xubuntu249, you. [05:05] astraljava: He's asking if you're on a LAN> [05:05] What a peculiar question. === crondd is now known as crond [05:06] http://www.benda.co.il/cs/benda/product.aspx?p_id=13607 [05:07] not tound [05:07] found [05:10] xubuntu249: Unless you can add a few words into your sentences, we really can't help. Maybe try #ubuntu-il ? [07:08] When using `less` to view a file, how do I find out how much longer the text has to go? [07:09] or how many more lines to go before EOF is reached? [07:12] weird, according to the manpage, "less -M" shows the percentage, but for me it only shows the line numbers you're viewing. [07:34] whats the difference between xfce and xubuntu session? [07:35] xubuntu loads the extra bits - themes etc I believe [07:36] and the xfce gives the native xfce desktop? [07:37] also after upgrade the sound control from the panel doesnt work [07:40] arpad2: when you say "doesn't work", do you mean that you can't load the sound control? [07:43] earlier someone else had trouble with sound after an upgrade; here's a paste of that conversation in case it helps: http://pastebin.com/ffWXf0NZ [07:43] ruien: no. I can't change the sound level by moving mouse cursor over the mixer plugin on the panel and scrolling the mouse wheel. [07:43] ok, I look into that [07:46] is anyone familiar with how themes in general work with Xubuntu? I chose the "Albatross" theme included in the 12.04 Settings -> Appearance -> Style window, and also chose Albatross in the Settings -> Window Manager, but the result is nothing like what Albatross should look like: http://shimmerproject.org/files/2011/06/albatross-600x375.png [08:01] what does it look like if you select it? [08:05] koegs: essentially the same as the default Graybird theme, except that windows, etc are styled correctly according to the albatross theme. For example, there is still a pop-up "program dock launcher" at the bottom of the screen and the minimized windows still go to the top of the screen, exactly like the default theme. [08:07] it was my understanding that a theme controls all aspects of the window manager, including where the programs minimize to, where the main "application menu" button appears, where the workspaces widget appears, etc. [08:12] example: http://download.ryansanden.com/tmp/xubuntu12.04_albatross_01.png [08:18] I guess I'm not really asking someone to solve the problem, but just to confirm that if they switch their own freshly-installed Xubuntu 12.04 to Albatross in the same way I did, the layout appears as per the image I presented earlier (http://shimmerproject.org/files/2011/06/albatross-600x375.png) and not as mine appears (http://download.ryansanden.com/tmp/xubuntu12.04_albatross_01.png) [08:19] hello, i have a question [08:19] sure, go for it [08:20] i am using two monitors in a dual head config, but when i click the application menu button in the panel on the left screen, it opens the menu on the right side of the left screen instead of right under the app. menu button [08:20] the taskbar is stretched accros the two screens [08:21]