[00:18] <finsbury> yo
[00:20] <finsbury> irc.helldive.org
[00:34] <ball> Well that was odd.
[09:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:02] <penguin42> rather windy out there
[11:03] <aCilnv> penguin - it's the wrong type of wind - same as wrong type of rain ..
[11:03] <AlanBell> this is a very damp drought
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> so.. 100 names for wind?
[11:03] <AlanBell> it is so wet that czajkowski didn't want to bounce on my trampoline
[11:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning people.
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> \o
[11:04] <aCilnv> Alan - i dont want to see what UK's like out of drought then ..
[11:04] <aCilnv> morning TOS
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> I fell in love last night...
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> With a beer.
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Darwin's Origin. http://www.salopianbrewery.co.uk/beers.php It's absolutely perfect.
[11:10] <gordonjcp> you know there are twelve different words in Gaelic for rain
[11:10] <gordonjcp> but the only repeatable one translates as "water"
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> In Greenland they have several dozen for snow.
[11:11] <gordonjcp> one gaelic word for rain is so obscene it's only ever been written down once
[11:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is fantastically wet here today.
[11:11] <gordonjcp> nice and sunny here
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: "Belgium"
[11:11] <gordonjcp> indeed
[11:13] <nperry> ubuntu-uk.org down?
[11:13] <AlanBell> so it would appear
[11:14] <AlanBell> hmm, and popey is on a plane so probably didn't break it
[11:14] <AlanBell> Daviey: o/
[11:14] <nperry> I blame popey, even if he is on a plane.
[11:14] <AlanBell> maybe Daviey is on a plane too
[11:14] <gordonjcp> maybe it's *because* popey is on a plane
[11:14] <AlanBell> yeah, lets go back to the default position and blame popey
[11:14] <AlanBell> maybe he took the server with him
[11:14] <gordonjcp> maybe ubuntu-uk.org is actually running on popey's laptop
[11:14] <gordonjcp> exactly
[11:15] <nperry> \o/
[11:21]  * TheOpenSourcerer thinks he might update his main work desktop this afternoon. From 10.10 to 12.04. Will probably do a clean install...
[11:21]  * brobostigon thinks he might delay visiting the pub, considering the weather.
[11:22]  * TheOpenSourcerer will not be drinking anything alcoholic today. My Liver has taken a hammering for the last 3 days on the trot. Last night was a big night! :-D
[11:23] <brobostigon> :) good idea.
[11:24]  * brobostigon also doesnt want to get soaked.
[11:24] <penguin42> brobostigon: You're assuming the weather is going to get better
[11:25] <brobostigon> penguin42: maybe, and yes, it probebly wont get better. anytime soon.
[11:28] <tymchn> morning, is the website for the podcast down at the moment?
[11:30] <tymchn> morning, is the website for the podcast down at the moment?
[11:30] <tymchn> oops sorry
[11:31] <nperry> yes
[11:31] <nperry> blame popey
[11:31] <tymchn> hahahaha why, what did popey do?
[11:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> What's the fastest way to backup my ~/ dir over a LAN?
[11:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just want to make a copy before rebuilding
[11:36] <brobostigon> rsync, i would guess.
[11:37] <brobostigon> or scp.
[11:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> scp (encryption overhead)
[11:37] <brobostigon> cp ?
[11:37] <penguin42> not a big problem these days unless your CPUs really suck
[11:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> My server does - It's a VIAC700 downclocked ;-)
[11:38] <brobostigon> can you use cp like you do scp ?
[11:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> What about nc?
[11:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone used that recently
[11:38] <brobostigon> i am not familier with.
[11:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think nc might be the way to go. http://blog.makezine.com/2008/11/14/linux-tip-superfast-network-fi/
[12:07] <user_> hi
[12:07] <user_> i'm having issues upgrading 10.04 to 12.04
[12:08] <user_> it does not give me an option to upgrade in the update manager, even though I selected check for lts updates and rechecked for updates
[12:08] <Darael> If it's refusing to acknowledge the existence of a release, then I had the same problem.  I cheated slightly.
[12:08] <user_> how did you fix it?
[12:09] <Darael> Try running "update-manager -d", which checks for a development release.  For some reason, Lucid seems to think Precise hasn't been released yet.
[12:09] <user_> if I run that, will it keep updating it to the developer versions?
[12:09] <user_> (every time a new version comes out?)
[12:09] <Darael> Nope, just to Precise.
[12:09] <user_> will it also subscribe to the edge developer packages?
[12:10] <Darael> No; it just changes where it looks for a new release on that one invocation of the update manager.
[12:10] <user_> okay, thanks a lot :)
[12:11] <Darael> You can test my assertion if you like - run update-manager -d, close it, and run without the flag.  It won't show the new release as available the second time.
[12:11] <user_> have a nice day
[12:11] <Darael> (only a partial test, sure)
[12:11] <Darael> You too.
[13:08] <penguin42> I'm not sure why I'm getting adverts for BUPA maritime insurance
[13:08] <DJones> penguin42: Have you looked out of the window today?
[13:08] <penguin42> good point, a sale craft would work well to get to work
[13:09] <penguin42> sail ?
[13:09] <DJones> We've just got back from church, even the vicar commented that todays reading would be the story of Noah :)
[13:14] <zleap> hello
[13:21] <andresmp> hello!
[13:22] <andresmp> Is totem reproducing youtube supposed to have worst resolution?
[13:24] <andresmp> and my next question,
[13:24] <andresmp> is there any reason, having all the 3rd party codecs installed, that some youtube videos cannot be reproduced in totem?
[14:17] <dogmatic69> hmmm.. just logged onto my server and my screen session is gone :/
[14:18] <dogmatic69> anyone know why / how?
[14:55] <penguin42> you logged out of the last member of it? You rebooted the box while you were away?
[14:55] <dogmatic69> uptime == 24days
[14:56] <dogmatic69> had +-10 tabs open, just clicked X on the local terminal (screen was in remote server)
[14:57] <Nafallo> dogmatic69: are you sure it's gone?
[15:02] <dogmatic69> well I logged onto the server ran the cmd and blank. just one empty tab
[15:03] <dogmatic69> Nafallo: ^
[15:07] <Nafallo> dogmatic69: screen -list
[15:17] <dogmatic69> Nafallo: only the one that I am currently in
[15:17] <Nafallo> well, den it's gone :-)
[15:17] <dogmatic69> strange
[15:18] <dogmatic69> maybe it was an update or something
[17:02] <zleap> how would i get something like ucubed unconference or something similar where Iam in Paignton or south devon ?
[17:05] <nperry> zleap, its a bit off-topic. Try your local lug!
[17:05] <nperry> shit, thought this was #ubuntu :/
[17:05] <nperry> http://www.dcglug.org.uk/
[17:07] <AlanBell> paignton lacks transport links
[17:07] <daftykins> can't see much benefit to having their IRC chan on another server
[17:08] <AlanBell> zleap: probably Bristol would be better as a place that is easy to get to
[17:09] <zleap> ok
[17:09] <zleap> we are on the main line down from bristol
[17:11] <zleap> ucubed is ubuntu related isn'tit
[17:11] <AlanBell> if you look at manchester and where it is in relation to liverpool, leeds, sheffield, birmingham etc you can see how it has a big catchment area
[17:11] <zleap> ok good point
[17:11] <zleap> just that we never get anything in Devon
[17:12] <zleap> ok on a side(ish) note would canonical support any efforts of the dclug to do something like this
[17:13] <AlanBell> probably not in any significant way
[17:13] <zleap> ok
[17:13] <AlanBell> you might get a conference pack of stuff, a few CDs a book and a couple of tshirts
[17:13] <AlanBell> that won't really help you fill a venue
[17:13] <zleap> ok
[17:14] <zleap> will chat to the lug
[17:14] <kvarley> I'm attempting to install amazonmp3 in Ubuntu Precise and it says dependency is not satisfiable "libboost-filesystem1.34.1". Should I install it from an older release?
[17:15] <AlanBell> how much is a ticket from Paddington to Paignton and how long does it take?
[17:15] <zleap> about 4 hours I think
[17:16] <zleap> cheapest ticket is £81
[17:16] <zleap> http://www.thetrainline.com/buytickets/combinedmatrix.aspx?Command=TimeTable
[17:17] <zleap> for may 29th (random future date entered)
[17:19] <zleap> AlanBell, i may send for some more 12.04 cd's from you at some point,  I have sent an sae for a few from the pre-order batch offer
[17:20] <daftykins> kvarley: worth a try
[17:20] <daftykins> do they offer flash drives yet?
[17:21] <daftykins> of new releases
[17:21] <zleap> i installed fuse  (spectrum emulator) the other day and tried to associate  sna and z80 files with fuse but in the open with box it can't even find fuse.
[17:22] <daftykins> does it run as a terminal app?
[17:22] <zleap> not sure
[17:22] <zleap> i can run it from dash
[17:22] <zleap> it can run from terminal yes (terminal window)
[17:23] <daftykins> i'd have seen an issue trying to call it if it does only work within a terminal
[17:24] <zleap> ok
[17:24] <zleap> well its in my launcher sidebar
[17:24] <zleap> I canload the emulator, i just wondered if I could click on a game and have that openwith fuse, in the same way a odt file opens with libreoffice
[17:26] <daftykins> yeah
[17:26] <daftykins> file association, that old chestnut
[17:28] <zleap> yep
[17:28] <zleap> there is a big list,  even a option to look on like if I tclick open with
[18:29] <daftykins2> apparently my file server's host OS isn't quite stable right now :D
[18:29] <daftykins2> Handbrake killed it \o/
[18:40] <Azelphur> I just tried LMDE, wasn't too impressed :/
[20:15] <daubers> Hey interwebs people.... does anyone know of an interwebs company that won't do a 12 month contract? I need a contract for 2 months until I can get FTTC
[20:15] <AlanBell> who are you getting FTTC from?
[20:16] <daubers> AlanBell: Probably BT
[20:16]  * AlanBell has FTTC from plus.net
[20:17] <AlanBell> they are quite good really, it is technically BT that fit it (the BT engineer fits the termination box)
[20:17] <AlanBell> you can get ADSL from them and then upgrade to FTTC
[20:17] <daubers> AlanBell: I know :) But it's a new FTTC area I'm moving into. BT are doing it from June 30th, so Plus won't fit it for another couple of months
[20:17] <daubers> AlanBell: Hmmm..... have a feeling they might try and con me out of another fee for doing so
[20:18] <AlanBell> give them a call and arrange it in advance
[20:18] <daubers> Hmmm.. might try that tomorrow
[20:18] <daubers> Need to call the car insurance people anyway
[20:18] <AlanBell> you are more likely to be able to sort something out with them than with BT I expect
[20:19] <daubers> Current contract is with plus net
[20:19] <daubers> so shall lean on them a bit
[20:20]  * daubers gets a new house on Friday *\o/*
[20:23] <AlanBell> nice
[20:26] <Myrtti> I have no idea what this whole conversation is about, but in Finland I used my mobile for Internet connection for three months while living at mums and finally waiting to have ADSL installed at my apartment once I moved some years ago. Nobody complained when I used the connection to download two OpenSuSE DVD's on it on the first month
[20:27] <Myrtti> :-D
[20:27] <daubers> Myrtti: That would probably cost £lots over here!
[20:27] <Myrtti> I think I paid 15€ or something similar
[20:28] <Myrtti> as my mobile phone company charges by speed, not quota
[20:28] <daubers> Could turn the revo into a 3G router if the mobile signal is any good out there I suppose
[20:37] <AlanBell> anyone got a raspberry pi yet?
[20:39] <jacobw> by speed is cool way to charge :)
[20:44] <Myrtti> jacobw: it makes more sense to me that charging by quota
[20:44] <Myrtti> s/that/than/
[20:44] <jacobw> quite
[20:45] <jacobw> exceeding a quota does not cause conjestion _now_
[20:45] <Myrtti> but since Finnish companies started selling iPhone the previously ubiquitous charge by speed policies have been revoked
[20:45] <Myrtti> not all of them, mind
[21:14] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:16] <jacobw> good evening
[21:21] <dogmatic69> sup bigcalm
[21:22] <bigcalm> A weekend away from home. What have I missed?
[21:23] <czajkowski> wonder did gord pack his tea bags
[21:23] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: some rain...
[21:23] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: no worries, I got that while visiting my parents
[21:23] <dogmatic69> all good then :)
[21:28] <daftykins> scratch that
[21:28] <daftykins> it was an island wide power cut
[21:28] <daftykins> :D
[21:32]  * Myrtti is just about to publish the Debianizing of Viglen MPC-L blog entry
[21:33] <brobostigon> that rocks Myrtti
[21:34] <daftykins> :o
[22:08]  * Myrtti prods ubuntuuk-planet 
[22:10] <andypiper> hmm planet ubuntu uk seems dead
[22:10] <zleap> yeah just got an e-mail saying that
[22:10] <jacobw> ubuntu-uk.org is dead
[22:10] <jacobw> as in, http
[22:10] <andypiper> doh
[22:10] <Myrtti> aww.
[22:11] <Myrtti> in that case
[22:11] <bigcalm> popey: fix things!
[22:11] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.fi/blog/2012/04/30/viglen-mpc-l-from-xubuntu-10-04-lts-to-debian-stable/
[22:11] <Myrtti> bigcalm: he's in a big flying metal tube
[22:11] <Myrtti> or recovering from the experience
[22:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that should not be an excuse in this day and age :D
[22:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: how many books are you being sent?
[22:12] <Myrtti> bigcalm: asked fifteen just to be safe
[22:12] <andypiper> Myrtti: wait - so i can't upgrade my MPC-L to 12.04?
[22:12] <Myrtti> andypiper: nope
[22:12] <bigcalm> Goodness
[22:12]  * andypiper sobs quietly
[22:12] <bigcalm> Myrtti: big reception?
[22:12] <andypiper> but but but i got it as far as 11.10
[22:13] <bigcalm> andypiper: surprised that you got it to 11.10
[22:13] <andypiper> release upgrades were fine that far
[22:13] <Myrtti> bigcalm: I might use them for invitations, for planting pots for guest favours, other stuff, and need material to experiment with too
[22:13] <bigcalm> This weekend I replaced my parents' Viglen MPC-L with my old Revo
[22:13] <bigcalm> Remote admin of their server is so much nicer now
[22:14] <bigcalm> Myrtti: fair enough :)
[22:14] <Myrtti> andypiper: mind you, the process of installing Debian on it was so easy I did cry a bit because it was so painful with Ubuntu
[22:14] <andypiper> my home server is the MPC-L and the media PC for the TV is the Revo
[22:14] <bigcalm> andypiper: give it a go :)
[22:14] <andypiper> hmm ok - as i am reading
[22:14] <jacobw> what is the mpc-l good for?
[22:14] <bigcalm> jacobw: door stop
[22:14] <bigcalm> jacobw: actually, no that as it's not very heavy
[22:14] <bigcalm> Paper weight
[22:15] <jacobw> is it good for media playback?
[22:15] <bigcalm> I now have 2 Viglen MPC-L doing nothing
[22:15] <andypiper> it's a basic webserver, weather station receiver, and power monitor (Current Cost USB-Serial) running mosquitto for me
[22:15] <Myrtti> sell them on ebay, or let me sell them for you
[22:15] <bigcalm> Hehe
[22:15] <andypiper> heavy lifting done elsewhere on my network now
[22:16]  * jacobw considers
[22:16] <bigcalm> jacobw: they have no grunt at all
[22:16] <jacobw> if it had an adsl card, it'll be awesome :)
[22:16] <Myrtti> yeah I use mine as an irssi machine nowadays when I can't use my shared shell for that anymore
[22:16] <bigcalm> jacobw: they have several USB ports and an rj45. There's still a lot that can be done with them
[22:16] <andypiper> indeed
[22:17] <Myrtti> iplayer cache
[22:17] <Myrtti> that's what I use it for as well
[22:17] <bigcalm> Myrtti: do the ebay fees make it worth while?
[22:17] <Myrtti> bigcalm: I don't know, I don't use ebay
[22:18] <jacobw> i'm moving to germany soon, i don't what physical layer the ISP will provide
[22:18] <bigcalm> Oh, erm
[22:18] <bigcalm> I thought you meant let you sell them for me on ebay
[22:18] <Myrtti> but I know people are still interested in them since I mentioned I have one on my shell providers IRC channel
[22:18] <bigcalm> Ah, I see :)
[22:18] <jacobw> perhaps it'll be something i can connect a viglen-like machine to :)
[22:19] <bigcalm> It might be ok as a thin client. But I think that would be pushing it as well
[22:19] <jacobw> hmm
[22:20] <Myrtti> actually I'm not sure if I should buy one and set it up at my sisters in Finland
[22:21] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I was going to free cycle them. But if you think we'll make a bit of money, I'm in :)
[22:22] <bigcalm> Maybe I should give one to the oggcamp raffle, as I did with the penguin
[22:23] <Myrtti> maybe you should
[22:23] <Myrtti> they're still neat little boxes
[22:25] <bigcalm> Aye
[22:26]  * bigcalm looks for a low level formatter
[22:28] <bigcalm> Or zero fill
[22:29] <bigcalm> DBAN looks good
[22:46] <Myrtti> yet again fallen for the eternal problem of opening a new tab on the browser promptly forgetting what I was doing
[22:47] <Myrtti> oh man.
[22:50] <daftykins> Myrtti: we still need a word for that
[22:50] <daftykins> society lacks a quick term
[22:50] <daftykins> "damn it i <new word here>!"
[22:51] <directhex> "brainfart"
[22:51] <daftykins> mmm too all-encompassing
[22:53] <Myrtti> tabnesia
[22:53] <daftykins> that's good
[22:54] <daftykins> but most of the time it happens to me when i get to search and forgot what i was gonna search for, or maybe open the browser in general
[22:57] <Myrtti> http://twitter.com/myrtti/status/196734496803012608
[22:57] <daftykins> soon it shall be in the lexicon