[05:40] <tgm4883> How can you take a screenshot of a unity search
[15:21] <mhall119> tgm4883: set a delay in gnome-screenshot, then do the search and wait for the timer to take the screenshot
[15:41] <tgm4883> mhall119, I did that, it still didn't get the search
[15:53] <tgm4883> mhall119, odd, I just took like 15 screenshots testing and it finally was able to get it
[16:14] <matelot> Just installed 12.04, everything default (Unity): how to change desktop icon to just clean SMALL, same-size icons ?
[18:09] <jkd> how exactly does window maximization happen? how does the window avoid overlapping the launcher and top panel?
[18:10] <jkd> i'm asking because when i move the launcher to the right, windows still maximize within the area to the right of the launcher (and i'd like it to use the area to the left)
[18:11] <jkd> (are any of the unity developers in this channel? i'm not sure this is the right place to ask questions about implementation)
[18:20] <JanC> jkd: you can't move the launcher to the right...
[18:21] <JanC> unless you use a patched version of Unity
[18:21] <Daekdroom> JanC, I think that's what he's trying to accomplish.
[18:21] <jkd> i'm working on that patch.
[18:22] <jkd> i realize it won't be accepted officially, but i still want to give it a shot.
[18:22] <jkd> looking at the source code for compiz grid, it seems there's something called a workarea (the area of the desktop not covered by panel or launcher)
[18:23] <JanC> AFAIK the window manager has some knowledge about what area to use, so in case of Unity that would be Compiz
[18:24] <jkd> that's correct, but how? specifically, how do i tell it that the work area is to the /left/ of the launcher, not the right?
[18:24] <JanC> http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2577280
[18:27] <jkd> what exactly are struts? is that how the window manager snaps window edges to each other?
[18:27] <jkd> i greped for _NET in the unity source and didn't see anything. maybe it's done inside of nux?
[18:28] <JanC> jkd: I would expect it to be in the compiz source, and then made available somehow to plugins like Unity
[18:29] <JanC> but I'm not a WM or X expert...
[18:30] <jkd> no worries, at least i got a reply finally :)
[18:30] <jkd> my god, X / compiz / nux / unity is overwhelming
[18:33] <JanC> jkd: that freedesktop spec is something you probably want to bookmark, as it describes the X properties/messages used to influence how a (modern) WM behaves
[18:35] <JanC> that and the ICCCM spec
[18:37] <jkd> xwininfo -a is semi-helpful
[20:22] <thomi> Morning everyone
[20:33] <jkd> thomi: good morning. you wouldn't happen to be a developer, would you?
[20:34] <thomi> jkd: that depends on what you need :)
[20:34] <jkd> well, i'm trying to move the launcher to the right side
[20:34] <jkd> that was easy to do, except when i maximize windows it tries to maximize them to the /right/ of hte launcher still. trying to figure out why
[20:34] <jkd> i think the solution might involve struts, somehow
[20:35] <thomi> jkd: hmm, It sounds like you need someone who understands compiz & X11...
[20:35] <jkd> thomi: yeah. should i post on the unity-dev list?
[20:36] <jkd> i feel like a pest, since officially, this change won't be accepted anyway.
[20:36] <jkd> ;)
[20:36] <thomi> jkd: You could try there.,.. or perhaps smcloud might know
[20:36] <thomi> ...but no one will be awake yet - I'm in an odd timezone, so for most people it's still the weekend
[20:36] <jkd> it's 4:30 pm on sunday here, heh
[20:37] <thomi> Most Canonical folk take the weekend off :)
[20:37] <jkd> what tz are they in usually?
[20:38] <thomi> jkd: all over the world. US, Europe, Asia,
[20:39] <thomi> I'm in New Zealand, so I get to work while everyone else is still having their Sunday
[20:40] <jkd> that's cool. i'm in canada. maybe i'll have better luck tomorrow :)
[20:41] <thomi> good luck :)
[22:20] <matelot> what happened to #ubuntu ?