[00:01] how can we get 4.10 in precise? [00:02] is there a ppa? [00:02] ys [00:02] check the xubuntu g+ page [00:03] thanks [00:06] GridCube: I mean xfce 4.10 not xubuntu 4.10 :( [00:07] utu-san, yes, keep reading [00:10] utu-san, https://plus.google.com/u/0/112064450121097287690/posts/8Z5jnh8cRb1 [00:12] well [00:13] i dont have the slightiest idea of what happened [00:13] :/ [00:13] but i managed to burn a cd with 12.04 so im gonna try to install it [00:13] GridCube: thanks anyway. [00:14] utu-san, i pasted you a link [00:14] bbl [00:14] GridCube: yes I saw that [00:25] great [00:26] the cd i burned i broken and i dont have any other and i cant find my pendrive [00:26] just great [00:33] hello all [00:34] hi [00:36] GridCube: not that this helps now, but the keychain pen drives are quite handy [00:37] I am trying to install 12.04 but installer don't detect my ati video card:( [00:37] its one of those, only thats not on my keychins [00:37] perhaps a good thing that it isn't, or you'd be missing your keys too ;) [00:37] XD [00:38] GridCube: can you PXE boot to another machine? [00:38] thanks hydester_ XD i needed that [00:38] i dont know what pxe means [00:38] im running the computer from the windows boot now [00:38] and i can see the disks now, but xubuntu wont boot [00:38] pxe is via nic [00:39] no idea what that means [00:39] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro [00:39] when your machine talks to the DHCP server to get an address, if it supports PXE and is enabled then it can boot via tftp or https, without usb or CD or local disk [00:40] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetbootInstallFromInternet [00:40] never heard of that, but i think its easier now to find where the pendrive is [00:41] heh. yeah [00:41] it'd be interesting if wubi supported recovery mode too === Evixion` is now known as Evixion [00:46] :D found it! [00:46] my mom put it where it should have been [00:47] obviously, thats the last place where i looked [00:48] it was with your keys after all? [00:50] :P no, in the box near the radio, that have an usb slot to play musics from pendrives, thats why it isnt in my keys anymore, because its usually plugged in the radio [00:52] perhaps you could install xubuntu on your radio [00:53] ... i don't think thats possible, not yet [01:10] how install libreoffice [01:12] is there an option to tell the installer I have an ATI video card? [01:14] aguitel: there is an apt-package named "libreoffice", have you tried "sudo apt-get install libreoffice"? [01:14] ruien, no [01:15] rolesp: normally, you install the operating system first, and then the official drivers for your video card. I have an Nvidia and installed the official drivers and it worked perfectly. [01:15] rolesp: is the problem that you are unable to install xubuntu at all? [01:16] aguitel: you can search packages using something like "apt-cache search libreoffice" to see all of the options to install. Usually the simplest name is the right one. [01:16] ruien, ok thanks [01:17] ruien, yes, the installer start ok, but then only shows a for columns of dots [01:18] rolesp: hmmm.. I think you need to see the actual loading output rather than using the pretty screen. When you boot to the Xubuntu CD, edit the boot line for the "install xubuntu" option (i think you press F to edit it?) [01:19] then remove the word "quiet" from the command line and hit enter [01:19] This should get xubuntu to load without showing a splash screen, so you can see exactly where it died [01:20] In my case, I had a similar problem, but it wasn't related to my video card. It was related to my SATA settings, so I installed by adding the "acpi=off" immediately before "quiet", which disabled ACPI since my drives are running in IDE mode. [01:21] ruien: can't you just hit "esc" to toggle the splash screen? [01:21] hm, maybe. I've never tried it [01:22] ok, ruien, thanks for the tip, going to try it [01:24] allready I am installing xubuntu 9.10, and is installing ok [01:25] don't know if I can upgrade to 12.04 from 9.10 [01:25] You can't. [01:27] ok tnks [01:29] rolesp: no luck getting it to load? Were you able to get verbose loading (the kernel log) at least? [01:30] :) ok installing desktop amd64 [01:30] lets hope thing fix now [01:31] ruien, i have not tried the tip, was waiting for 9.10 to finalize install [01:31] kk [01:34] I was using ubuntu 10.04 in that machine without any problem [01:35] but I am switchin to xubuntu [01:35] :) [01:35] nice [01:53] [Errno 30] Read-only file system: '/target/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-23-generic' [01:53] D: [01:53] im getting scared [01:54] ;_; [01:54] GridCube: what are you trying to do exactly? [01:54] install xubuntu [01:55] :( [01:55] you're getting that error during installation, or after installing? Was that in response to any commands you had run? [01:55] during, no commands it just popped up [01:56] i installed xubuntu every week for the past 6 months an no once got this error [01:57] hmm, that is odd. what is /target ? Is that mounted somewhere (and do you have access to a shell to find out?_ [01:58] being in the livecd, yes yes i have [01:58] its not mounted [01:58] i just reformated the partition [01:59] but i dont get it [01:59] something might be wrong physically [02:00] even after formating the partition it says "used 495.22MiB" [02:01] yeah, that sounds like some physical problem. I have had servers before where "read-only filesystem" shows up out of the blue on a server that's been running for 2 years, and usually it indicates some hardware issue. I have the dataceter replace the drive, but I'll start with an fsck first. [02:01] does fdisk notice any obvious errors with your partition table when you run "fdisk -l" ? [02:01] ...I wonder if I still have a hard drive out in the freezer... [02:02] (Woops, wrong channel, nevermind) [02:02] none [02:03] fdisk /dev/sdb1, says: /dev/sdb1: clean, 11/1313280 files, 126449/5242880 blocks [02:05] did you format the partition you're installing to before installing xubuntu? which filesystem? [02:06] it was ext4, used the installer and marked it to format and use again as ext4, now i manually formated it using gparted again to ext4 [02:07] it says its using 500MiB anyway [02:08] well, that sounds about right if it's a large partition [02:09] 20GiB [02:09] :-/ [02:10] i guess try the install again, but if you keep seeing that, something is wrong, maybe physically. [02:11] yes, i guess it is, because the update error i got earlier came just out of the blue aswell [02:12] well the installer failed instantaneously now [02:13] something is wron [02:13] same/similar error? [02:13] i dont see any error log [02:13] how did it fail? [02:13] it says "the installer has failed" thats how [02:14] lol [02:15] assuming you can't just try another drive right? [02:16] mmm i can resize a partition on sda [02:16] :-/ [02:17] that sounds scary. I've done it before and haven't had any errors (even with NTFS partitions on there) but i am still wary of it [02:18] but that drive doesnt have any errors so far [02:18] if you have your data backed up, i'd say go for it [02:18] i've done it a lot of times [02:19] yeah, it's probably more stable now than it was ~10 years ago. [02:19] its not a really relevant disk, its my old /home partition, and the relevant data goes to sdb6 partition [02:19] so its not thats scary [02:20] done [02:21] cool [02:26] ruien, look at the error log http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-280412-232606.php [02:27] ;_; i dont get it [02:27] segfault in a shared object file? [02:27] apparently [02:27] did you verify the MD5SUM of image that you downloaded [02:27] a broken install media? [02:28] yeah it sounds like that. check the md5sum of the image you burned/copied to USB and compare it to the value in the "MD5SUMS" text file at the mirror where you downloaded it [02:30] the iso is fine [02:30] how do i check the dvd? [02:31] oh i need to do that from the boot [02:31] bbl [02:35] anyone know if xorg.conf settings will take for a output that xrandr doesn't show? [02:40] xfce 4.10 released, just after 12.04. So close! [02:41] not really that close, we froze for release a month ago [02:43] t0rx_: not really sure, but even Xvfb (which doesn't support XRANDR) still runs on X11 and uses an xorg.conf I think, so that implies that they would take effect. [02:44] is it just me or is there barely any difference with the previous Xfce version (just look and feel wise) [02:44] Also, I actually have my 2nd screen running without XRANDR support [02:45] configured it with xorg.conf, so I guess that's a yes t0rx__ [02:47] well, release/freeze 1 month apart versus 1 year dev cycle for xfce [02:48] (so close) [02:48] ruien: thanks, could I just shoot commands at the output that isn't listed with xrandr or would I need to make xorg.conf changes and reload? [02:48] theoN^: its the analog output, so maybe I could just fire at VGA or VGA1 (I'm trying to setup a second screen) [02:49] I ran xorg -configure which created a xorg.conf but it doesn't list even my current screen w/ modes. [02:49] I'm not sure; all my experience has been with Xvfb, but it looks like theoN^ may have already done something similar [02:52] ruien: hows Xvfb compare to xorg? [02:55] err.. Xvfb uses Xorg, Xvfb is the X virtual framebuffer, which means that you can run GUI apps without an actual GUI/display [02:55] I use it on servers often - for example, if you have a server where you need to process a web page but don't have any GUI, you run it under Xvfb [02:56] ahh got it [03:00] ruien, what graphics card are you using ? [03:00] I was forced into using xorg.conf due to my ATI card [03:00] both my screens are connected through DVI though [03:01] on my local machine? GeForce GTX 460 [03:01] then twinview should take care of it, no ? [03:02] oh I actually meant t0rx__ [03:02] hehe [03:02] got confused for a sec [03:04] theoN^: Intel integrated .... its a netbook running an Atom proc. [03:04] theoN^: here's lspci output: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) [03:04] ruien, edited the boot options, remove quiet. it shows several steps and goes to scrambled video:( [03:05] t0rx__, hm, I have no experience with that :p [03:05] hmm, okay, it seems like it's trying to use an incompatible driver, just as you had described. I wonder if there's a boot option which can tell it to use another video mode [03:06] t0rx__, I don't even know what drivers it uses :S [03:07] theoN^: does / did xrandr detect both your screens? [03:07] nope, it didn't [03:08] well the problem I had (still have without forcing xorg) is that it can only duplicate my screens, not make it a "big desktop" [03:08] under f4 modes, there are some listed, but don't know wich select [03:08] t0rx__, oh, yours doesnt even display anything ? Well mine did duplicate [03:09] rolesp: no one ever does, just go through them one by one :-/ [03:09] theoN^: If I plug in VGA nothing like it doesn't exist. If I reboot I get duplicate but the resolution is wrong on both screens and xrandr only shows the external display. [03:10] rolesp: if you find one that does work, I can show you how to make it permanent [03:10] is under f6 [03:10] t0rx__, yeah, it's not plug and play, you need to reboot for starters, I have the same still [03:11] t0rx__, I don't know how it works for intel integrated chips but I had to run aticonfig --dual-head=1 or something like that, which compiles a xorg.conf file which I modified afterwards to apply Xinerama [03:11] which was the _ONLY_ way I could get it to work for my setup [03:11] acpi=off, noapic, edd=on, nomodeset [03:13] theoN^, I'm trying that with "xorg -config" that compiles a xorg.conf but it doesn't look like my laptop LCD is even listed in there. I think I'll just try various combos until something sticks. [03:14] t0rx__, yeah I struggled with my setup for a couple of days actually (trying loads of other stuff too during that time) before I finally got it "working" (still dont have xrandr support on my 2nd screen though, but it works, so I'm not touching it) [03:16] t0rx__, probably not what you need, but this was the post that led to my solution: http://linuxclicks.blogspot.com/2011/10/dual-monitor-display-with-ubuntuxubuntu.html [03:16] theoN^, lol, yeah no sense in breaking it now. Thanks for the info. [03:19] theoN^, thanks I'll check it out. [03:23] rolesp: any luck trying different video modes? [03:23] :/ ok [03:23] finally [03:23] welcome back [03:23] im in linux again [03:24] installer failed at grub stage [03:24] so i rebooted and used boot-repair on it [03:24] well, there us a mode to use a driver cd, but i dont have one:( [03:25] now i need to run update-grub and see if it picks up the windows partition [03:25] When I installed Xubuntu a couple of days ago, my installer had a grub issue as well, but it wasn't an error message. It just didn't work at all, so I booted to the liveCD and manually installed grub (using something like --with-root-directory ?) and and that did it [03:25] it did! :) [03:26] well if i reboot and everything works i call this a day [03:27] I going to download the driver from the ati site [03:27] rolesp: I have an idea. Install Ubuntu server edition, install the official ATI driver from ATI's website using the console, wget, etc, and then install the Xubuntu package via apt-get [03:28] .. or that, if you can get a driver installer which is compatible with the xubuntu installation (not sure if that's available or not) [03:29] ok, I have the ubuntu 11.04 server edition, goiing to try [03:33] ok, i used the driver cd option, take out the instaler cd, insert a blank cd. reported can't fin a driver, put back the instaler cd, and is working;) [03:42] :/ i have never had so many problems [03:46] rolesp: .....? How did you think to try *that*? [03:47] Hey xubuntu users. Could you guys update the 12.04 putting XFCE 4.10? [03:50] well, i had select that option just to see how work, when theinstaler ask to remove the cd and insert the driver cd, I look for a video driver cd, but can't find any [03:52] and also think that maybe another driver was going to get things worse [03:52] so i put a blank cd [03:53] haha [03:54] and then it just works without a problem? I think you should file a bug report then, because that means the Xubuntu CD already has what it needs. [03:55] I think that made the installer switch to another driver [03:56] because when I select either install or test, the screen goes black [03:57] was going black, but not now [03:57] rolesp, you can also try the alternate cds [04:00] it goes in one of the last screens, is downloading languages pacckets [04:01] :) [04:05] what partition manager uses xubuntu? [04:05] looks like gparted, but is not [04:05] rolesp: gparted is on the Live ISO along with the partitioner that's in the installer [04:06] you can also install gparted on your own, once your system is installed. [04:06] ok, thanks [04:07] or you can use Gnome Disk Utility for a slightly easier to use GUI if you're not crazy about gparted [04:12] well, is instaling grub, so is almost done [04:14] what I'm going to miss is gedit:( [04:16] sudo apt-get install gedit [04:17] doesn't gedit needs gnome? [04:17] why miss it? [04:17] I have gedit installed. [04:17] it needs enough of Gnome to run. [04:17] Xfce is built on GTK, just like Gnome [04:18] i.e. some Gnome dependencies, but not the entire Gnome desktop [04:18] that's also one of the reasons Xfce is awesome. [04:18] I run a mix of Gnome and KDE apps [04:19] it all works. [04:19] good to know [04:20] if you get to a KDE app you really can't live without, make sure you enable Session and Startup > Advanced : Launch KDE Services on Startup for the kio bits [04:20] other than that, if you're used to Gnome, install whatever you want from Gnome. [04:25] instalation finished [04:26] reboot! :) [04:30] mmm, it lost the driver, black screen [04:31] try turning your brightness back up [04:31] and ctrl alt delete doesn't work [04:32] try turning your brightness back up [04:32] there's been a plymouth issue for a little while on some video [04:32] it'll bounce you down to zero brightness, but it's not hung [04:32] it's still doing its thing. [04:36] i restarted and can get to the grub options [04:36] rolesp: I had a similar problem, but not the same. I had to use some special boot config to get the liveCD to load so I could install Xubuntu, then I modified /etc/default/grub and added those special options to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and regenerated the grub configuration. Otherwise, it would hang with a black screen forever [04:36] are you getting a flash of the plymouth loader and then a black screen after grub? [04:38] if I don't press escape nothing shows on the screen [04:38] if you do press escape, do you see the console loading? [04:38] if escape shows the grub options [04:39] after grub. [04:39] if you *can* see the console messages as it's loading, at least initially, you're not hung. [04:40] one of tje grub options is memory test whith console [04:40] you *probably* have one of the affected video cards for this particular plymouth issue. (have you tried manually turning your brightness back up?) [04:42] yes, brightness up only turns the screen brigth, but nothing [04:42] again, can you see console messages after grub, or not? [04:42] if not, then yes, you're likely hanging after grub [04:42] the problem is the ATI video card [04:42] if you *can* see them, you're likely *not* hanging [04:43] if you switch away from the GUI loader and over to one of the tty consoles, can you get all the way to a login? [04:43] not any message after grub [04:43] if you switch away from the GUI loader and over to one of the tty consoles, can you get all the way to a login? [04:44] only a flashing cursor in the left upper corner and then black screen [04:44] do you understand what I mean when I say a tty console? [04:45] letme restart again [04:45] after it goes to the black screen, post grub, try: [04:45] ctrl-alt-f1 [04:45] wait a little. [04:45] see if you can get all the way to a console login prompt. [04:46] if you *can*, go ahead and log in and we'll try killing lightdm and restarting it and see what error you're getting. [04:48] Hi, I'm searching for some help. I just installed Xubuntu 12.04 and it feels and look awesome. But I can't seem to change brightness. I'm using a Toshiba L750D laptop. [04:50] and it's weird I have two folders ( /acpi_video0 and /toshiba ) in sys/class/backlight [04:50] I can get the grub prompt, and the memory test works [04:50] wow, the 11.10-12.04 update was painless [04:51] rolesp: did you try switching to the text console, like I asked? [04:51] or are you still assuming that the grub menus will do something close to what you want? [04:52] how do i switch to the text console? [04:53] Hola [04:53] sss [04:54] mosieurlaurin: it looks like your Toshiba has nvidia graphics - it looks like there may be an applicable fix here: [04:54] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1474494 [04:54] rolesp: ctrl-alt-f1 after the grub screen [04:55] babble: nope it's ati graphics [04:55] when it starts actually booting, and you get a black screen, try ctrl-alt-f1 and wait a littl e [04:55] mosieurlaurin: this page at Toshiba says nvidia: http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/series/Satellite-L750-series/1104079/ [04:57] are you certain yours has ATI graphics? The product matrix for every L750 there has either intel integrated graphics, or nvidia discrete [04:57] babble: http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en§ion=1&group=1&product=11630&category= [04:58] ah, there we go. [04:58] let's see what may be a fix. [04:58] ctl alt f1 dosnt work [04:59] quit [05:00] mosieurlaurin: looks like there's an open bug that may be your issue - can you get controls to work initially, but not after suspend? [05:00] but i can get to a command line [05:00] rolesp: can you get to a *login* prompt, like I asked? [05:00] I'm not asking about the grub commandline. [05:01] no i can't [05:01] rolesp: does your machine boot from a generic LiveCD? [05:01] sip [05:01] i.e. you had video on the Live image and now you don't? [05:02] Oh I can't get back from suspend that's another issue... The brightness keys does not work out of the box, but I successfully binded keys to make it work. I can see the brightness icon change, but the actual brightness stays the same [05:02] i have puppy or molinux [05:02] mosieurlaurin: ah, this probably isn't your issue. Let me keep digging. [05:02] rolesp: how did you install Xubuntu? [05:05] babble: he installed xubuntu by... going through the GUI installer, telling it he had an extra driver CD, putting in a blank disk as the driver disk, and swapping it back out for the Xubuntu disk. Somehow, that got video to work for the installer. So it's no surprise there are similar issues now trying to boot after the installation has finished. [05:08] ruien: that's at least somewhat explanatory. [05:08] ok, I have to go, thanks for all the help [05:08] have a good one rolesp; good luck. [05:08] I'll be back tomorrow [05:08] thanks again [05:09] quit [05:09] exit [05:10] mosieurlaurin: okay, following on from ANOTHER bug filed for similar toshiba brightness issues, do you have kernel exceptions for your brightness keys in /var/log/kern.log? [05:13] I'm looking at kern.log but not sure what I'm searching for [05:13] here's a key event for mine: [05:13] Apr 29 00:05:30 wardc-xubuntu kernel: [48851.951698] atkbd serio0: Use 'setkeycodes e02b ' to make it known. [05:13] in your case, you may (hopefully?) see a kernel exception message [05:15] try using your brightness keys up and down a couple times (yes, they'll do nothing for now) then reopen kern.log and see what's at the end. [05:15] k [05:16] if you're getting a kernel exception that means we can potentially work around it editing your hal config [05:16] Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x55 on isa0060/serio0). [05:16] aha! [05:17] Use 'setkeycodes 55 ' to make it known. [05:17] okay, so the kernel is seeing the key as an acpi event, but doesn't know what to do with it. [05:17] okay. [05:17] try: [05:17] lshal | grep system.hardware.vendor [05:17] I get: apt-get install hal [05:18] hrm. [05:18] ops [05:18] The program 'lshal' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: apt-get install hal [05:18] ah, okay :) [05:18] :P [05:18] sudo apt-get install lshal [05:20] setting up hal blah blah.. done! [05:20] cool beans. Now try the lshal command again: [05:20] lshal | grep system.hardware.vendor [05:20] it's "hal" not lshal ?? [05:21] oh wait [05:21] lshal (list hal) [05:21] right [05:21] system.hardware.vendor = 'TOSHIBA' (string) [05:22] okay, one more: [05:22] lshal | grep system.hardware.product [05:22] system.hardware.product = 'Satellite L750D' (string) [05:23] okay. I'm working from an older bug, so your hal config files may not be in exactly the same place. [05:23] let me check on mine and make sure I'm telling you the right places to edit. [05:23] okay, I must go for around 30 minutes or so, will you still be here? [05:24] I should be [05:24] hang onto those two pieces [05:25] if we can find the right hal config to edit, we can switch it from hardware brightness to software brightness control [05:25] okay [05:30] babble: oh hey I'm back already [05:30] okay [05:30] sec, lemme dig back through where I was. [05:30] yup sorry for the interruption [05:31] no worries :) [05:31] what do you have in: [05:31] /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/ [05:31] (ideally, I'm looking for 10freedesktop/10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi in there) [05:31] 10freedesktop/ 20thirdparty/ [05:32] ah, what's in 10freedesktop? [05:33] a lot of .fdi files, I found 10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi there [05:33] excellent [05:33] okay, we need to edit a few things in there. Make a backup of your current laptop-panel-hardware? [05:34] i.e. sudo cp 10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi 10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi.bak [05:35] done [05:35] okay, in the live file, let's start with: [05:35] [05:36] (add a key for your hardware vendor string, should be TOSHIBA all caps) [05:37] Is there a way to configure notification duration? Installing 12.04 switched back to notifyosd-type stuff and I can't stand notifications that sit there forever [05:38] lot of stuff in there, I add this or replace something? [05:38] a fresh install on an acer laptop and seem to indicating 6hr battery remaining, tis nice,but do I have to install laptop-mode-tools and cpufreq still? [05:38] as I did with xubuntu 11.10 to get 5.5hrs [05:38] mosieurlaurin: it's XML so it *should* work if you just add or edit an existing key [05:38] mosieurlaurin: let's see if you have an existing key for it already. Look for: [05:38] :system.hardware.vendor [05:39] I found something about toshiba, Satellite M100 [05:39] ah. [05:39] anything else for hardware vendor or hardware product? [05:40] system.hardware.vendor or system.hardware.product [05:40] yes [05:40] [05:40] [05:40] okay, that's your correct vendor string [05:40] is the M100 the ONLY product key you have in there? [05:41] so I just need to change the other one [05:41] looks like it [05:41] but let's make sure there aren't other product keys in there. [05:41] yes M100 is the only one in toshiba [05:41] if there are multiples, you can just add yours [05:41] ahh, okay [05:41] if the m100 is the sole product key, let's change that to yours. [05:41] right on [05:42]