[00:01] <utu-san> how can we get 4.10 in precise?
[00:02] <utu-san> is there  a ppa?
[00:02] <GridCube> ys
[00:02] <GridCube> check the xubuntu g+ page
[00:03] <utu-san> thanks
[00:06] <utu-san> GridCube: I mean xfce 4.10 not xubuntu 4.10 :(
[00:07] <GridCube> utu-san, yes, keep reading
[00:10] <GridCube> utu-san, https://plus.google.com/u/0/112064450121097287690/posts/8Z5jnh8cRb1
[00:12] <GridCube> well
[00:13] <GridCube> i dont have the slightiest idea of what happened
[00:13] <GridCube> :/
[00:13] <GridCube> but i managed to burn a cd with 12.04 so im gonna try to install it
[00:13] <utu-san> GridCube: thanks anyway.
[00:14] <GridCube> utu-san, i pasted you a link
[00:14] <GridCube> bbl
[00:14] <utu-san> GridCube: yes I saw that
[00:25] <GridCube> great
[00:26] <GridCube> the cd i burned i broken and i dont have any other and i cant find my pendrive
[00:26] <GridCube> just great
[00:33] <rolesp> hello all
[00:34] <GridCube> hi
[00:36] <hydester_> GridCube: not that this helps now, but the keychain pen drives are quite handy
[00:37] <rolesp> I am trying to install 12.04 but installer don't detect my ati video card:(
[00:37] <GridCube> its one of those, only thats not on my keychins
[00:37] <hydester_> perhaps a good thing that it isn't, or you'd be missing your keys too ;)
[00:37] <GridCube> XD
[00:38] <hydester_> GridCube: can you PXE boot to another machine?
[00:38] <GridCube> thanks hydester_ XD i needed that
[00:38] <GridCube> i dont know what pxe means
[00:38] <GridCube> im running the computer from the windows boot now
[00:38] <GridCube> and i can see the disks now, but xubuntu wont boot
[00:38] <hydester_> pxe is via nic
[00:39] <GridCube> no idea what that means
[00:39] <hydester_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro
[00:39] <hydester_> when your machine talks to the DHCP server to get an address, if it supports PXE and is enabled then it can boot via tftp or https, without usb or CD or local disk
[00:40] <hydester_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetbootInstallFromInternet
[00:40] <GridCube> never heard of that, but i think its easier now to find where the pendrive is
[00:41] <hydester_> heh.  yeah
[00:41] <hydester_> it'd be interesting if wubi supported recovery mode too
[00:46] <GridCube> :D found it!
[00:46] <GridCube> my mom put it where it should have been
[00:47] <GridCube> obviously, thats the last place where i looked
[00:48] <hydester_> it was with your keys after all?
[00:50] <GridCube> :P no, in the box near the radio, that have an usb slot to play musics from pendrives, thats why it isnt in my keys anymore, because its usually plugged in the radio
[00:52] <hydester_> perhaps you could install xubuntu on your radio
[00:53] <GridCube> ... i don't think thats possible, not yet
[01:10] <aguitel> how install libreoffice
[01:12] <rolesp> is there an option to tell the installer I have an ATI video card?
[01:14] <ruien> aguitel: there is an apt-package named "libreoffice", have you tried "sudo apt-get install libreoffice"?
[01:14] <aguitel> ruien, no
[01:15] <ruien> rolesp: normally, you install the operating system first, and then the official drivers for your video card. I have an Nvidia and installed the official drivers and it worked perfectly.
[01:15] <ruien> rolesp: is the problem that you are unable to install xubuntu at all?
[01:16] <ruien> aguitel: you can search packages using something like "apt-cache search libreoffice" to see all of the options to install. Usually the simplest name is the right one.
[01:16] <aguitel> ruien, ok thanks
[01:17] <rolesp> ruien, yes, the installer start ok, but then only shows a for columns of dots
[01:18] <ruien> rolesp: hmmm.. I think you need to see the actual loading output rather than using the pretty screen. When you boot to the Xubuntu CD, edit the boot line for the "install xubuntu" option (i think you press F to edit it?)
[01:19] <ruien> then remove the word "quiet" from the command line and hit enter
[01:19] <ruien> This should get xubuntu to load without showing a splash screen, so you can see exactly where it died
[01:20] <ruien> In my case, I had a similar problem, but it wasn't related to my video card. It was related to my SATA settings, so I installed by adding the "acpi=off" immediately before "quiet", which disabled ACPI since my drives are running in IDE mode.
[01:21] <hydester_> ruien: can't you just hit "esc" to toggle the splash screen?
[01:21] <ruien> hm, maybe. I've never tried it
[01:22] <rolesp> ok, ruien, thanks for the tip, going to try it
[01:24] <rolesp> allready I am installing xubuntu 9.10, and is installing ok
[01:25] <rolesp> don't know if I can upgrade to 12.04 from 9.10
[01:25] <Unit193> You can't.
[01:27] <rolesp> ok tnks
[01:29] <ruien> rolesp: no luck getting it to load? Were you able to get verbose loading (the kernel log) at least?
[01:30] <GridCube> :) ok installing desktop amd64
[01:30] <GridCube> lets hope thing fix now
[01:31] <rolesp> ruien, i have not tried the tip, was waiting for 9.10 to finalize install
[01:31] <ruien> kk
[01:34] <rolesp> I was using ubuntu 10.04 in that machine without any problem
[01:35] <rolesp> but I am switchin to xubuntu
[01:35] <GridCube> :)
[01:35] <GridCube> nice
[01:53] <GridCube> [Errno 30] Read-only file system: '/target/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-23-generic'
[01:53] <GridCube> D:
[01:53] <GridCube> im getting scared
[01:54] <GridCube> ;_;
[01:54] <ruien> GridCube: what are you trying to do exactly?
[01:54] <GridCube> install xubuntu
[01:55] <GridCube> :(
[01:55] <ruien> you're getting that error during installation, or after installing? Was that in response to any commands you had run?
[01:55] <GridCube> during, no commands it just popped up
[01:56] <GridCube> i installed xubuntu every week for the past 6 months an no once got this error
[01:57] <ruien> hmm, that is odd. what is /target ? Is that mounted somewhere (and do you have access to a shell to find out?_
[01:58] <GridCube> being in the livecd, yes yes i have
[01:58] <GridCube> its not mounted
[01:58] <GridCube> i just reformated the partition
[01:59] <GridCube> but i dont get it
[01:59] <GridCube> something might be wrong physically
[02:00] <GridCube> even after formating the partition it says "used 495.22MiB"
[02:01] <ruien> yeah, that sounds like some physical problem. I have had servers before where "read-only filesystem" shows up out of the blue on a server that's been running for 2 years, and usually it indicates some hardware issue. I have the dataceter replace the drive, but I'll start with an fsck first.
[02:01] <ruien> does fdisk notice any obvious errors with your partition table when you run "fdisk -l" ?
[02:01] <Unit193> ...I wonder if I still have a hard drive out in the freezer...
[02:02] <Unit193> (Woops, wrong channel, nevermind)
[02:02] <GridCube> none
[02:03] <GridCube> fdisk /dev/sdb1, says: /dev/sdb1: clean, 11/1313280 files, 126449/5242880 blocks
[02:05] <ruien> did you format the partition you're installing to before installing xubuntu? which filesystem?
[02:06] <GridCube> it was ext4, used the installer and marked it to format and use again as ext4, now i manually formated it using gparted again to ext4
[02:07] <GridCube> it says its using 500MiB anyway
[02:08] <ruien> well, that sounds about right if it's a large partition
[02:09] <GridCube> 20GiB
[02:09] <ruien> :-/
[02:10] <ruien> i guess try the install again, but if you keep seeing that, something is wrong, maybe physically.
[02:11] <GridCube> yes, i guess it is, because the update error i got earlier came just out of the blue aswell
[02:12] <GridCube> well the installer failed instantaneously now
[02:13] <GridCube> something is wron
[02:13] <ruien> same/similar error?
[02:13] <GridCube> i dont see any error log
[02:13] <ruien> how did it fail?
[02:13] <GridCube> it says "the installer has failed" thats how
[02:14] <ruien> lol
[02:15] <ruien> assuming you can't just try another drive right?
[02:16] <GridCube> mmm i can resize a partition on sda
[02:16] <ruien> :-/
[02:17] <ruien> that sounds scary. I've done it before and haven't had any errors (even with NTFS partitions on there) but i am still wary of it
[02:18] <GridCube> but that drive doesnt have any errors so far
[02:18] <ruien> if you have your data backed up, i'd say go for it
[02:18] <GridCube> i've done it a lot of times
[02:19] <ruien> yeah, it's probably more stable now than it was ~10 years ago.
[02:19] <GridCube> its not a really relevant disk, its my old /home partition, and the relevant data goes to sdb6 partition
[02:19] <GridCube> so its not thats scary
[02:20] <GridCube> done
[02:21] <ruien> cool
[02:26] <GridCube> ruien, look at the error log http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-280412-232606.php
[02:27] <GridCube> ;_; i dont get it
[02:27] <ruien> segfault in a shared object file?
[02:27] <GridCube> apparently
[02:27] <ruien> did you verify the MD5SUM of image that you downloaded
[02:27] <GridCube> a broken install media?
[02:28] <ruien> yeah it sounds like that. check the md5sum of the image you burned/copied to USB and compare it to the value in the "MD5SUMS" text file at the mirror where you downloaded it
[02:30] <GridCube> the iso is fine
[02:30] <GridCube> how do i check the dvd?
[02:31] <GridCube> oh i need to do that from the boot
[02:31] <GridCube> bbl
[02:35] <t0rx__> anyone know if xorg.conf settings will take for a output that xrandr doesn't show?
[02:40] <Shirakawasuna> xfce 4.10 released, just after 12.04. So close!
[02:41] <pleia2> not really that close, we froze for release a month ago
[02:43] <ruien> t0rx_: not really sure, but even Xvfb (which doesn't support XRANDR) still runs on X11 and uses an xorg.conf I think, so that implies that they would take effect.
[02:44] <theoN^> is it just me or is there barely any difference with the previous Xfce version (just look and feel wise)
[02:44] <theoN^> Also, I actually have my 2nd screen running without XRANDR support
[02:45] <theoN^> configured it with xorg.conf, so I guess that's a yes t0rx__
[02:47] <Shirakawasuna> well, release/freeze 1 month apart versus 1 year dev cycle for xfce
[02:48] <Shirakawasuna> (so close)
[02:48] <t0rx__> ruien: thanks, could I just shoot commands at the output that isn't listed with xrandr or would I need to make xorg.conf changes and reload?
[02:48] <t0rx__> theoN^: its the analog output, so maybe I could just fire at VGA or VGA1 (I'm trying to setup a second screen)
[02:49] <t0rx__> I ran xorg -configure which created a xorg.conf but it doesn't list even my current screen w/ modes.
[02:49] <ruien> I'm not sure; all my experience has been with Xvfb, but it looks like theoN^ may have already done something similar
[02:52] <t0rx__> ruien: hows Xvfb compare to xorg?
[02:55] <ruien> err.. Xvfb uses Xorg, Xvfb is the X virtual framebuffer, which means that you can run GUI apps without an actual GUI/display
[02:55] <ruien> I use it on servers often - for example, if you have a server where you need to process a web page but don't have any GUI, you run it under Xvfb
[02:56] <t0rx__> ahh got it
[03:00] <theoN^> ruien, what graphics card are you using ?
[03:00] <theoN^> I was forced into using xorg.conf due to my ATI card
[03:00] <theoN^> both my screens are connected through DVI though
[03:01] <ruien> on my local machine? GeForce GTX 460
[03:01] <theoN^> then twinview should take care of it, no ?
[03:02] <theoN^> oh I actually meant t0rx__
[03:02] <theoN^> hehe
[03:02] <theoN^> got confused for a sec
[03:04] <t0rx__> theoN^: Intel integrated .... its a netbook running an Atom proc.
[03:04] <t0rx__> theoN^: here's lspci output: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[03:04] <rolesp> ruien, edited the boot options, remove quiet. it shows several steps and goes  to scrambled video:(
[03:05] <theoN^> t0rx__, hm, I have no experience with that :p
[03:05] <ruien> hmm, okay, it seems like it's trying to use an incompatible driver, just as you had described. I wonder if there's a boot option which can tell it to use another video mode
[03:06] <theoN^> t0rx__, I don't even know what drivers it uses :S
[03:07] <t0rx__> theoN^: does / did xrandr detect both your screens?
[03:07] <theoN^> nope, it didn't
[03:08] <theoN^> well the problem I had (still have without forcing xorg) is that it can only duplicate my screens, not make it a "big desktop"
[03:08] <rolesp> under f4 modes, there are some listed, but don't know wich select
[03:08] <theoN^> t0rx__, oh, yours doesnt even display anything ? Well mine did duplicate
[03:09] <ruien> rolesp: no one ever does, just go through them one by one :-/
[03:09] <t0rx__> theoN^: If I plug in VGA nothing like it doesn't exist.  If I reboot I get duplicate but the resolution is wrong on both screens and xrandr only shows the external display.
[03:10] <ruien> rolesp: if you find one that does work, I can show you how to make it permanent
[03:10] <rolesp> is under f6
[03:10] <theoN^> t0rx__, yeah, it's not plug and play, you need to reboot for starters, I have the same still
[03:11] <theoN^> t0rx__, I don't know how it works for intel integrated chips but I had to run aticonfig --dual-head=1  or something like that, which compiles a xorg.conf file which I modified afterwards to apply Xinerama
[03:11] <theoN^> which was the _ONLY_ way I could get it to work for my setup
[03:11] <rolesp> acpi=off, noapic, edd=on, nomodeset
[03:13] <t0rx__> theoN^, I'm trying that with "xorg -config" that compiles a xorg.conf but it doesn't look like my laptop LCD is even listed in there.  I think I'll just try various combos until something sticks.
[03:14] <theoN^> t0rx__, yeah I struggled with my setup for a couple of days actually (trying loads of other stuff too during that time) before I finally got it "working" (still dont have xrandr support on my 2nd screen though, but it works, so I'm not touching it)
[03:16] <theoN^> t0rx__, probably not what you need, but this was the post that led to my solution: http://linuxclicks.blogspot.com/2011/10/dual-monitor-display-with-ubuntuxubuntu.html
[03:16] <t0rx__> theoN^, lol, yeah no sense in breaking it now.  Thanks for the info.
[03:19] <t0rx__> theoN^, thanks I'll check it out.
[03:23] <ruien> rolesp: any luck trying different video modes?
[03:23] <GridCube> :/ ok
[03:23] <GridCube> finally
[03:23] <ruien> welcome back
[03:23] <GridCube> im in linux again
[03:24] <GridCube> installer failed at grub stage
[03:24] <GridCube> so i rebooted and used boot-repair on it
[03:24] <rolesp> well, there us a mode to use a driver cd, but i dont have one:(
[03:25] <GridCube> now i need to run update-grub and see if it picks up the windows partition
[03:25] <ruien> When I installed Xubuntu a couple of days ago, my installer had a grub issue as well, but it wasn't an error message. It just didn't work at all, so I booted to the liveCD and manually installed grub (using something like --with-root-directory ?) and and that did it
[03:25] <GridCube> it did! :)
[03:26] <GridCube> well if i reboot and everything works i call this a day
[03:27] <rolesp> I going to download the driver from the ati site
[03:27] <ruien> rolesp: I have an idea. Install Ubuntu server edition, install the official ATI driver from ATI's website using the console, wget, etc, and then install the Xubuntu package via apt-get
[03:28] <ruien> .. or that, if you can get a driver installer which is compatible with the xubuntu installation (not sure if that's available or not)
[03:29] <rolesp> ok, I have the ubuntu 11.04 server edition, goiing to try
[03:33] <rolesp> ok, i used the driver cd option, take out the instaler cd, insert a blank cd. reported can't fin a driver, put back the instaler cd, and is working;)
[03:42] <GridCube> :/ i have never had so many problems
[03:46] <ruien> rolesp: .....? How did you think to try *that*?
[03:47] <P-Chan> Hey xubuntu users. Could you guys update the 12.04 putting XFCE 4.10?
[03:50] <rolesp> well, i had select that option just to see how work, when theinstaler ask to remove the cd and insert the driver cd, I look for a video driver cd, but can't find any
[03:52] <rolesp> and also think that maybe another driver was going to get things worse
[03:52] <rolesp> so i put a blank cd
[03:53] <ruien> haha
[03:54] <ruien> and then it just works without a problem? I think you should file a bug report then, because that means the Xubuntu CD already has what it needs.
[03:55] <rolesp> I think that made the installer switch to another driver
[03:56] <rolesp> because when I select either install or test, the screen goes black
[03:57] <rolesp> was going black, but not now
[03:57] <GridCube> rolesp, you can also try the alternate cds
[04:00] <rolesp> it goes in one of the last screens, is downloading languages pacckets
[04:01] <GridCube> :)
[04:05] <rolesp> what partition manager uses xubuntu?
[04:05] <rolesp> looks like gparted, but is not
[04:05] <babble> rolesp: gparted is on the Live ISO along with the partitioner that's in the installer
[04:06] <babble> you can also install gparted on your own, once your system is installed.
[04:06] <rolesp> ok, thanks
[04:07] <babble> or you can use Gnome Disk Utility for a slightly easier to use GUI if you're not crazy about gparted
[04:12] <rolesp> well, is instaling grub, so is almost done
[04:14] <rolesp> what I'm going to miss is gedit:(
[04:16] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install gedit
[04:17] <rolesp> doesn't gedit needs gnome?
[04:17] <babble> why miss it?
[04:17] <babble> I have gedit installed.
[04:17] <babble> it needs enough of Gnome to run.
[04:17] <ruien> Xfce is built on GTK, just like Gnome
[04:18] <babble> i.e. some Gnome dependencies, but not the entire Gnome desktop
[04:18] <ruien> that's also one of the reasons Xfce is awesome.
[04:18] <babble> I run a mix of Gnome and KDE apps
[04:19] <babble> it all works.
[04:19] <rolesp> good to know
[04:20] <babble> if you get to a KDE app you really can't live without, make sure you enable Session and Startup > Advanced : Launch KDE Services on Startup for the kio bits
[04:20] <babble> other than that, if you're used to Gnome, install whatever you want from Gnome.
[04:25] <rolesp> instalation finished
[04:26] <babble> reboot! :)
[04:30] <rolesp> mmm, it lost the driver, black screen
[04:31] <babble> try turning your brightness back up
[04:31] <rolesp> and ctrl alt delete doesn't work
[04:32] <babble> try turning your brightness back up
[04:32] <babble> there's been a plymouth issue for a little while on some video
[04:32] <babble> it'll bounce you down to zero brightness, but it's not hung
[04:32] <babble> it's still doing its thing.
[04:36] <rolesp> i restarted and can get to the grub options
[04:36] <ruien> rolesp: I had a similar problem, but not the same. I had to use some special boot config to get the liveCD to load so I could install Xubuntu, then I modified /etc/default/grub and added those special options to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and regenerated the grub configuration. Otherwise, it would hang with a black screen forever
[04:36] <babble> are you getting a flash of the plymouth loader and then a black screen after grub?
[04:38] <rolesp> if I don't press escape nothing shows on the screen
[04:38] <babble> if you do press escape, do you see the console loading?
[04:38] <rolesp> if escape shows the grub options
[04:39] <babble> after grub.
[04:39] <babble> if you *can* see the console messages as it's loading, at least initially, you're not hung.
[04:40] <rolesp> one of tje grub options is memory test whith console
[04:40] <babble> you *probably* have one of the affected video cards for this particular plymouth issue. (have you tried manually turning your brightness back up?)
[04:42] <rolesp> yes, brightness up only turns the screen brigth, but nothing
[04:42] <babble> again, can you see console messages after grub, or not?
[04:42] <babble> if not, then yes, you're likely hanging after grub
[04:42] <rolesp> the problem is the ATI video card
[04:42] <babble> if you *can* see them, you're likely *not* hanging
[04:43] <babble> if you switch away from the GUI loader and over to one of the tty consoles, can you get all the way to a login?
[04:43] <rolesp> not any message after grub
[04:43] <babble> if you switch away from the GUI loader and over to one of the tty consoles, can you get all the way to a login?
[04:44] <rolesp> only a flashing cursor in the left upper corner and then black screen
[04:44] <babble> do you understand what I mean when I say a tty console?
[04:45] <rolesp> letme restart again
[04:45] <babble> after it goes to the black screen, post grub, try:
[04:45] <babble> ctrl-alt-f1
[04:45] <babble> wait a little.
[04:45] <babble> see if you can get all the way to a console login prompt.
[04:46] <babble> if you *can*, go ahead and log in and we'll try killing lightdm and restarting it and see what error you're getting.
[04:48] <mosieurlaurin> Hi, I'm searching for some help. I just installed Xubuntu 12.04 and it feels and look awesome. But I can't seem to change brightness. I'm using a Toshiba L750D laptop.
[04:50] <mosieurlaurin> and it's weird I have two folders ( /acpi_video0 and /toshiba ) in sys/class/backlight
[04:50] <rolesp> I can get the grub prompt, and the memory test works
[04:50] <Shirakawasuna> wow, the 11.10-12.04 update was painless
[04:51] <babble> rolesp: did you try switching to the text console, like I asked?
[04:51] <babble> or are you still assuming that the grub menus will do something close to what you want?
[04:52] <rolesp> how do i switch to the text console?
[04:53] <xubuntu202> Hola
[04:53] <xubuntu202> sss
[04:54] <babble> mosieurlaurin: it looks like your Toshiba has nvidia graphics - it looks like there may be an applicable fix here:
[04:54] <babble> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1474494
[04:54] <babble> rolesp: ctrl-alt-f1 after the grub screen
[04:55] <mosieurlaurin> babble: nope it's ati graphics
[04:55] <babble> when it starts actually booting, and you get a black screen, try ctrl-alt-f1 and wait a littl e
[04:55] <babble> mosieurlaurin: this page at Toshiba says nvidia: http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/series/Satellite-L750-series/1104079/
[04:57] <babble> are you certain yours has ATI graphics? The product  matrix for every L750 there has either intel integrated graphics, or nvidia discrete
[04:57] <mosieurlaurin> babble: http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en&section=1&group=1&product=11630&category=
[04:58] <babble> ah, there we go.
[04:58] <babble> let's see what may be a fix.
[04:58] <rolesp> ctl alt f1 dosnt work
[04:59] <xubuntu202> quit
[05:00] <babble> mosieurlaurin: looks like there's an open bug that may be your issue - can you get controls to work initially, but not after suspend?
[05:00] <rolesp> but i can get to a command line
[05:00] <babble> rolesp: can you get to a *login* prompt, like I asked?
[05:00] <babble> I'm not asking about the grub commandline.
[05:01] <rolesp> no i can't
[05:01] <babble> rolesp: does your machine boot from a generic LiveCD?
[05:01] <rolesp> sip
[05:01] <babble> i.e. you had video on the Live image and now you don't?
[05:02] <mosieurlaurin> Oh I can't get back from suspend that's another issue... The brightness keys does not work out of the box, but I successfully binded keys to make it work. I can see the brightness icon change, but the actual brightness stays the same
[05:02] <rolesp> i have puppy or molinux
[05:02] <babble> mosieurlaurin: ah, this probably isn't your issue. Let me keep digging.
[05:02] <babble> rolesp: how did you install Xubuntu?
[05:05] <ruien> babble: he installed xubuntu by... going through the GUI installer, telling it he had an extra driver CD, putting in a blank disk as the driver disk, and swapping it back out for the Xubuntu disk. Somehow, that got video to work for the installer. So it's no surprise there are similar issues now trying to boot after the installation has finished.
[05:08] <babble> ruien: that's at least somewhat explanatory.
[05:08] <rolesp> ok, I have to go, thanks for all the help
[05:08] <ruien> have a good one rolesp; good luck.
[05:08] <rolesp> I'll be back tomorrow
[05:08] <rolesp> thanks again
[05:09] <rolesp> quit
[05:09] <rolesp> exit
[05:10] <babble> mosieurlaurin: okay, following on from ANOTHER bug filed for similar toshiba brightness issues, do you have kernel exceptions for your brightness keys in /var/log/kern.log?
[05:13] <mosieurlaurin> I'm looking at kern.log but not sure what I'm searching for
[05:13] <babble> here's a key event for mine:
[05:13] <babble> Apr 29 00:05:30 wardc-xubuntu kernel: [48851.951698] atkbd serio0: Use 'setkeycodes e02b <keycode>' to make it known.
[05:13] <babble> in your case, you may (hopefully?) see a kernel exception message
[05:15] <babble> try using your brightness keys up and down a couple times (yes, they'll do nothing for now) then reopen kern.log and see what's at the end.
[05:15] <mosieurlaurin> k
[05:16] <babble> if you're getting a kernel exception that means we can potentially work around it editing your hal config
[05:16] <mosieurlaurin> Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x55 on isa0060/serio0).
[05:16] <babble> aha!
[05:17] <mosieurlaurin> Use 'setkeycodes 55 <keycode>' to make it known.
[05:17] <babble> okay, so the kernel is seeing the key as an acpi event, but doesn't know what to do with it.
[05:17] <babble> okay.
[05:17] <babble> try:
[05:17] <babble> lshal | grep system.hardware.vendor
[05:17] <mosieurlaurin> I get: apt-get install hal
[05:18] <babble> hrm.
[05:18] <mosieurlaurin> ops
[05:18] <mosieurlaurin> The program 'lshal' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: apt-get install hal
[05:18] <babble> ah, okay :)
[05:18] <mosieurlaurin> :P
[05:18] <babble> sudo apt-get install lshal
[05:20] <mosieurlaurin> setting up hal blah blah.. done!
[05:20] <babble> cool beans. Now try the lshal command again:
[05:20] <babble> lshal | grep system.hardware.vendor
[05:20] <mosieurlaurin> it's "hal" not lshal ??
[05:21] <mosieurlaurin> oh wait
[05:21] <babble> lshal (list hal)
[05:21] <mosieurlaurin> right
[05:21] <mosieurlaurin> system.hardware.vendor = 'TOSHIBA'  (string)
[05:22] <babble> okay, one more:
[05:22] <babble> lshal | grep system.hardware.product
[05:22] <mosieurlaurin> system.hardware.product = 'Satellite L750D'  (string)
[05:23] <babble> okay. I'm working from an older bug, so your hal config files may not be in exactly the same place.
[05:23] <babble> let me check on mine and make sure I'm telling you the right places to edit.
[05:23] <mosieurlaurin> okay,  I must go for around 30 minutes or so, will you still be here?
[05:24] <babble> I should be
[05:24] <babble> hang onto those two pieces
[05:25] <babble> if we can find the right hal config to edit, we can switch it from hardware brightness to software brightness control
[05:25] <mosieurlaurin> okay
[05:30] <mosieurlaurin> babble: oh hey I'm back already
[05:30] <babble> okay
[05:30] <babble> sec, lemme dig back through where I was.
[05:30] <mosieurlaurin> yup sorry for the interruption
[05:31] <babble> no worries :)
[05:31] <babble> what do you have in:
[05:31] <babble> /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/
[05:31] <babble> (ideally, I'm looking for 10freedesktop/10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi in there)
[05:31] <mosieurlaurin> 10freedesktop/ 20thirdparty/
[05:32] <babble> ah, what's in 10freedesktop?
[05:33] <mosieurlaurin> a lot of .fdi files, I found 10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi there
[05:33] <babble> excellent
[05:33] <babble> okay, we need to edit a few things in there. Make a backup of your current laptop-panel-hardware?
[05:34] <babble> i.e. sudo cp 10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi 10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi.bak
[05:35] <mosieurlaurin> done
[05:35] <babble> okay, in the live file, let's start with:
[05:35] <babble>  <match key="/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.hardware.vendor" string="Sony Corporation">
[05:36] <babble> (add a key for your hardware vendor string, should be TOSHIBA all caps)
[05:37] <Shirakawasuna> Is there a way to configure notification duration? Installing 12.04 switched back to notifyosd-type stuff and I can't stand notifications that sit there forever
[05:38] <mosieurlaurin> lot of stuff in there, I add this or replace something?
[05:38] <erujolc> a fresh install on an acer laptop and seem to indicating 6hr battery remaining, tis nice,but do I have to install laptop-mode-tools and cpufreq still?
[05:38] <erujolc> as I did with xubuntu 11.10 to get 5.5hrs
[05:38] <babble> mosieurlaurin: it's XML so it *should* work if you just add or edit an existing key
[05:38] <babble> mosieurlaurin: let's see if you have an existing key for it already. Look for:
[05:38] <babble> :system.hardware.vendor
[05:39] <mosieurlaurin> I found something about toshiba, Satellite M100
[05:39] <babble> ah.
[05:39] <babble> anything else for hardware vendor or hardware product?
[05:40] <babble> system.hardware.vendor or system.hardware.product
[05:40] <mosieurlaurin> yes
[05:40] <mosieurlaurin> <match key="/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.hardware.vendor" string="TOSHIBA">
[05:40] <mosieurlaurin>  <match key="/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.hardware.product" string="SATELLITE M100">
[05:40] <babble> okay, that's your correct vendor string
[05:40] <babble> is the M100 the ONLY product key you have in there?
[05:41] <mosieurlaurin> so I just need to change the other one
[05:41] <babble> looks like it
[05:41] <babble> but let's make sure there aren't other product keys in there.
[05:41] <mosieurlaurin> yes M100 is the only one in toshiba
[05:41] <babble> if there are multiples, you can just add yours
[05:41] <babble> ahh, okay
[05:41] <babble> if the m100 is the sole product key, let's change that to yours.
[05:41] <mosieurlaurin> right on
[05:42] <babble> then there's another string we need to add as a nested item inside the product key so keep that spot
[05:43] <mosieurlaurin> done
[05:43] <mosieurlaurin> <match key="/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.hardware.product" string="SATELLITE L750D">
[05:44] <babble> okay, immediately following your <match> for your product key string, there should be a closing </match> tag (it'll probably be on a new line. See one?
[05:44] <mosieurlaurin> yes
[05:44] <babble> add a new line preceeding the closing match and do:
[05:44] <babble> <merge key="laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware" type="bool">false</merge>
[05:45] <babble> followed by the closing </match> tag
[05:45] <babble> the finished three lines will be similar to:
[05:45] <babble> <match key="/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.hardware.product" string="VGN-SR29VN_S">
[05:45] <babble>           <merge key="laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware" type="bool">false</merge>
[05:45] <babble>         </match>
[05:45] <babble> makes sense so far?
[05:46] <mosieurlaurin> there was already something between <match and </match
[05:46] <mosieurlaurin> <merge key="laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware" type="bool">true</merge>
[05:46] <babble> ahh, okay, it's already there.
[05:46] <babble> change that to false.
[05:46] <babble> i.e. change >true</merge> to >false</merge>
[05:47] <mosieurlaurin> yup that's done
[05:47] <babble> okay, save and reboot and let's see if you work
[05:47] <mosieurlaurin> <match key="/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.hardware.vendor" string="TOSHIBA">         <match key="/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:system.hardware.product" string="SATELLITE L750D">           <merge key="laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware" type="bool">false</merge>         </match>
[05:47] <babble> yep, you should be set
[05:47] <mosieurlaurin> okay rebootin'!
[05:47] <babble> :)
[05:48] <babble> Shirakawasuna: let me see if there's a simple way to change notify duration.
[05:49] <babble> Shirakawasuna: in your Notifications control, you can change the default duration (it looks like it's set to 10 seconds by default)
[05:49] <babble> mosieurlaurin: success?
[05:50] <mosieurlaurin_> I'm back, let me bind my brightness keys again
[05:50] <babble> okay
[05:50]  * babble crosses eyeballs. 
[05:50] <mosieurlaurin_> lol
[05:51] <babble> mosieurlaurin: was your second issue suspend or hibernate?
[05:52] <mosieurlaurin_> I noticed the brightness is higher than before after reboot, but brightness is not changing :(
[05:52] <babble> well, bugger.
[05:52] <mosieurlaurin_> wait
[05:52] <babble> maybe?
[05:52] <mosieurlaurin_> where can I change brightness in the system settings?
[05:53] <xubuntu019> I show two greybirds themes. One greybird the other Greybird. How do I delete one?
[05:53] <babble> mosieurlaurin_: lemme look
[05:54] <mosieurlaurin_> okay, I will also try to echo some values to the brighness file
[05:54] <babble> that will probably work just fine, but it'll be clumsy to do regularly
[05:54] <babble> (but we can probably hack together something if that's your best bet)
[05:54] <mosieurlaurin_> yessir
[05:55] <mosieurlaurin_> let's hack
[05:55] <mosieurlaurin_> gimme 2 minutes i'll try echo
[05:55] <ruien> xubuntu019: /usr/share/themes/greybird is a symbolic link to /usr/share/themes/Greybird, so I assume it was added for a specific compatibility reason.
[05:55] <xubuntu019> Thanks Ruien. So nothing to worry about then?
[05:56] <ruien> Nothing to worry about - I have the same two options. Generally use the capitalized one.
[05:56] <xubuntu019> Alright, thank you. :)
[05:56] <babble> mosieurlaurin_: gimme a minute. I'm digging around in mine.
[05:56] <mosieurlaurin_> babble: yes, I can succesfully echo values to acpi_video0, that wasn working before
[05:56] <babble> ah, okay.
[05:57] <mosieurlaurin_> one step closer
[05:57] <babble> I'm trying to work out a simple enough for my braindead brain script that may work for your keys.
[05:57] <Shirakawasuna> babble: mine is set to 2 seconds, but it stays for 10
[05:57] <babble> Shirakawasuna: I'll dig around and see what may be happening in a few.
[05:57] <Shirakawasuna> babble: I think the settings manager > notifications thing is for xfce's notifier, not notifyOSD
[05:58] <babble> Shirakawasuna: ah, I apologize, I missed that part. If you're using NotifyOSD, there's a PPA with a patched NotifyOSD daemon you can use instead with a custom config file.
[05:58] <babble> I'll find it for you in a few minutes.
[05:58] <mosieurlaurin_> while you do this I will add my key bindings to rc.local
[06:00] <mosieurlaurin_> babble: just so you know I'm adding : setkeycodes e06e 225 and setkeycodes e06f 224 to rc.local
[06:00] <babble> okay, a couple of things:
[06:00] <babble> 1. There's a script that may work, here:
[06:00] <babble> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/script-to-set-up-brightness-of-backlight-in-xfce-903704/
[06:01] <babble> 2. I totally forgot, but since that forum post followup mentions it, would a panel plugin be okay?
[06:02] <mosieurlaurin_> I don't mind
[06:02] <babble> okay, I forgot it was even in there until I looked at that forum response, but there's a brightness panel plug in xfce4-goodies
[06:03] <Shirakawasuna> babble: ah, thanks. Hopefully that's up to date
[06:03] <babble> Shirakawasuna: the PPA is here: https://launchpad.net/~leolik/+archive/leolik
[06:03] <Shirakawasuna> it's annoying that there still isn't a better option
[06:03] <mosieurlaurin_> that script does not give the same brightness values as mine (0 - 7)
[06:03] <Shirakawasuna> awesome, thanks babble
[06:04] <babble> mosieurlaurin_: yeah, it'll likely need to be edited for yours
[06:04] <mosieurlaurin_> I'll try this
[06:04] <babble> Shirakawasuna: I used that PPA when I was still in Unity, but that was for 11.04; I haven't used it in 11.10 or 12.04, but it may be a fix for you
[06:05] <mosieurlaurin_> I will try the panel item first
[06:06] <babble> mosieurlaurin_: it works for me, but I'm using software brightness already - hopefully it will for you.
[06:06] <babble> not as clean as keyboard shortcuts, I know.
[06:07] <babble> actually, if it *does* work, let's dig around and find what the heck ACPI or system event it's doing so we can get your keys working
[06:08] <mosieurlaurin_> I made this work in arch linux before, only with the keybindings
[06:08] <mosieurlaurin_> and gnome
[06:08] <babble> I'm not familiar enough with Arch to say what Arch must have done.
[06:10] <mosieurlaurin_> I installed xfce4-goodies but can't find the brightness panel
[06:10] <babble> it's not a control panel - it's a panel plugin.
[06:11] <babble> right click on your top panel and do panel > add new items
[06:11] <mosieurlaurin_> yes it's not in there
[06:11] <mosieurlaurin_> maybe I should log in again?
[06:12] <babble> no, it's in power-manager-plugins, sorry
[06:12] <babble> sec
[06:13] <babble> xfce4-power-manager-plugins
[06:13] <mosieurlaurin> okay
[06:13] <babble> I trusted the silly forum post without double checking
[06:13] <babble> (I have power manager plugins and goodies installed. heh)(
[06:13] <babble> bad me.
[06:13] <babble> anyway
[06:14] <mosieurlaurin> that's okay :)
[06:14] <babble> I'm looking at the package contents in Synaptic, so I KNOW it's in power manager plugins
[06:15] <mosieurlaurin> yeaaa there it is
[06:15] <babble> I should have checked. hehe. Sorry about that.
[06:16] <mosieurlaurin> not working, I notice that my brightness key can move it, but no brightness change
[06:16] <babble> ah, bugger, I was afraid of that
[06:16] <babble> it looks like it's hardware brightness or bust for yours.
[06:16] <mosieurlaurin> the good point is, if we make it work, my keys will work :P
[06:16] <babble> yep
[06:16] <mosieurlaurin> something bugs me
[06:17] <babble> is this a stock(ish?) Xubuntu install?
[06:17] <babble> I wonder if a newer driver for your ATI card may be a fix...
[06:18] <mosieurlaurin> why there is two folders in /sys/class/backlight ? "/acpi_video0 and /toshiba". Everytime I find a toshiba folder in here my brightness does not work, in any distro it's the same.
[06:18] <mosieurlaurin> Maybe it's changing values in the toshiba folder (not supposed to)
[06:19] <mosieurlaurin> stock xubuntu yes
[06:19] <babble> I'm not familiar enough with Toshiba's ACPI implementation to say for sure.
[06:19] <mosieurlaurin> like if xfce's brightness control was assigned to the toshiba folder instead of acpi_video0
[06:19] <babble> okay, I think - I'm pretty sure - that you're using fglrx drivers
[06:20] <mosieurlaurin> nope, free drivers
[06:20] <mosieurlaurin> err..
[06:20] <mosieurlaurin> wait
[06:20] <babble> either/or
[06:20] <babble> I'm wondering if we can get a binary radeon driver proper
[06:20] <mosieurlaurin> nope, I did not install the closed source hardware
[06:20] <babble> would that be a dealbreaker?
[06:21] <babble> (it may be; I'm wondering)
[06:21] <mosieurlaurin> personnally I'm not sure it's a video driver issue..
[06:21] <babble> I'm not convinced it is, but I'm guessing. hehe.
[06:22] <mosieurlaurin> :P
[06:22] <mosieurlaurin> hum..
[06:22] <babble> (later in the same bug I was using a bit ago, a couple of others reported success with different ATI drivers)
[06:22] <babble> that's here, if you want:
[06:22] <babble> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/555122
[06:23] <babble> okay, looks like toshset or toshutils may give you commandline options.
[06:24] <mosieurlaurin> those don't work, I'm 99.9% sure
[06:24] <babble> okay
[06:24] <mosieurlaurin> I already tried them before and my laptop is too recent
[06:24] <babble> I was guessing it might be
[06:25] <mosieurlaurin> I had no picture at all without a nomodeset in grub before kernel 3.2 :P
[06:25] <babble> I'm thinking.
[06:26] <mosieurlaurin> I must find a way to get rid of this /toshiba folder in /sys class... I'm sure about that.. but what brings it there?
[06:28] <mosieurlaurin> something is not assigned properly to a acpi event or something like that
[06:28] <babble> so something is doing a virtualization of things that get reported inside a /toshibia tree.
[06:28] <babble> lag lag lag
[06:28] <mosieurlaurin> yes I think
[06:29] <babble>  /sys is a virtualized filesystem, so if something is making stuff that gets reported in /toshiba, there's likely no way to absolutely remove it
[06:30] <mosieurlaurin> I mean, some little guy in my system puts it there. It's not there in arch_linux (pretty much the same tree) and brightness is working. It was the same thing in another distro I tried also
[06:30] <babble> i.e. there's nothing to actually *remove* - the system says, "hey, toshiba hardware wants /sys/toshiba, so here we go, fake 'files' in there."
[06:31] <babble> again, I'm not familiar enough with whatever Arch does differently
[06:32] <babble> it sounds like Arch may be bypassing toshiba specific ACPI altogether and doing very generic acpi settings.
[06:32] <mosieurlaurin> I know I just mean to compare to other distro that gave me the issue or not. If we get through this, a lot of toshiba user will be happy. A lot ef people seems to have this issue
[06:32] <mosieurlaurin> yea
[06:33] <mosieurlaurin> can hal be the problem?
[06:33] <babble> mosieurlaurin: I understand why you want things to 'just work' but my rough guess is that Ubuntu is using Toshiba specifc ACPI reporting so that things like sleep and hibernate and backlighting and other things that likely DON'T work in generic ACPI can be enabled.
[06:34] <mosieurlaurin> I understand that, I know it's normal that it's not all working all of the box, that's why my laptop has a windows sticker on it (sadly) :P
[06:34] <babble> that it's not working on your specific laptop is potentially due to whatever changes Toshiba may have made in their specific ACPI setup
[06:35] <mosieurlaurin> ok
[06:36] <babble> it's something that likely will get supported sooner rather than later, but if software brightness isn't a workable fix for yours, and you're certain an ATI provided driver won't do a thing, I'm out of ideas.
[06:37] <mosieurlaurin> okay, I'll try to build some kind of script to make this work while there are good news from the kernel guys. Thank you very much babble, I appreciate a lot your time
[06:37] <babble> no worries.
[06:37] <babble> sorry I wasn't better help.
[06:38] <mosieurlaurin> well, I learned some things today!
[06:38] <babble> you likely want to roll back to your backed up hal config for your LCD
[06:39] <mosieurlaurin> I will keep it like this for now, I can change brightness through the terminal
[06:40] <mosieurlaurin> thanks a lot for your time, bye!
[06:41] <mosieurlaurin> can we stay in touch? I'm on G+, are you?
[06:45] <mosieurlaurin> well I must go, girlfriend calling me, bye!
[06:45] <taxman> for what?
[07:08] <altbdoor> hello everyone. i would like to report a problem with xubuntu 12.04 and bcm4313, where do i report to?
[07:09] <altbdoor> nobody?
[07:09] <altbdoor> alright. see y'all
[07:10] <tga> greetings
[07:10] <ruien> hello
[07:11] <tga> quick question, any idea why the bluebird style makes some apps have white-on-gray menus?
[07:11] <tga> vs what I suppose should be default, white-on-blue?
[07:12] <ruien> Yes, this is a known issue due to those themes' incompatible with GTK3, and it's a known bug being worked on, but it will be awhile - perhaps the first Q release for Xubuntu 12.04
[07:12] <ruien> s/incompatible/incompatibility/
[07:12] <tga> gotcha
[07:12] <tga> oh well, Greybird it is for now
[07:13] <ruien> yes, same here. I will switch to Albatross whenever it's fixed.
[07:13]  * tga enjoys the Bluebird wm theme, it would be even nicer with blue menus
[07:14] <tga> albatross looks ok to me, white-on-black menus everywhere
[07:14] <ruien> how about in the ubuntu software center?
[07:14] <tga> looking good
[07:15] <tga> uh, except the toolbar buttons
[07:15] <tga> and everything else
[07:15] <tga> nm, I see what you mean
[07:15] <tga> UI on linux is such a mess
[07:16] <tga> ruien: which style do you use now?
[07:16] <ruien> i'm using Greybird style until Albatross works well everywhere - for some reason it doesn't look right everywhere on my system.
[07:18] <tga> yeah, same here
[07:18] <tga> I recall Clearlooks looking better, but it seems too light now
[07:19] <tga> which toolkit did they use for the software center?
[07:19] <tga> it looks ugly
[07:20] <ruien> hmm, I thought it was GTK3, but not sure
[07:22] <Sysi> probably gtk3 since unity uses it
[07:24] <tga> unity is such a sad thing
[07:24] <tga> you can't even resize the damn launcher
[07:24] <ruien> :(
[07:25] <Sysi> it autohides? or windows go over it
[07:29] <Sysi> recomendations about simple, nice, light music player?
[07:33] <baizon> the deb is already out
[07:33] <baizon> sorry wrogn chan
[07:40] <Random832> how do i disable the bluetooth icon i don't have bluetooth
[07:41] <k_sze> grrrrr
[07:41] <baizon> Random832: settings -> start and session
[07:41] <paulbritphoto> Hi Random 832 ... go to menu > settings > startup menu and disable the service at startup. You can re-add it later should you get BT.
[07:41] <baizon> autostart
[07:41] <baizon> and disable bluetooth
[07:41] <k_sze> update manager malfunctioned, now I can't even do `sudo apt-get install -f`
[07:41] <baizon> and the error message is?
[07:42] <Sysi> k_sze: run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[07:43] <paulbritphoto> My first time ever on IRC, due to xubuntu having a channel. I'll be back and thanks to all who help here - be safe all.
[07:44] <baizon> cu
[07:44] <k_sze> Interesting.
[07:45] <k_sze> Somehow Update Manager installed all the updates without show me the progress dialog.
[07:45] <Random832> when i try to hibernate from the menu it says i don't have permission, how to fix?
[07:46] <Sysi> Random832: how are you logging in?
[07:47] <Random832> er, the usual way?
[07:48] <baizon> Random832: http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation-in-12-04
[07:50] <opticnerpe> I am trying to configure my DNS settings in Xubuntu.  I made the change in the Network Connections tool but they don't seem to be sticking.  I have the IPv4 settings configured to use DHCP for addresses only, and I manually set my DNS servers.  However, in a terminal I invoke nslookup and I see it is still using 127.0.0.1 as the NS, which is not what I set it to in the "Network Connections" tool.  What is going on?
[07:50] <Random832> ok, why is the option in the menu if it's disabled? and why not it prompt me for password?
[07:51] <Random832> this was a STUPID fix
[07:51] <Random832> [it being disabled, that is]
[07:52] <Sysi> why, waking up from hibernation is as slow as booting up
[07:52] <Sysi> suspend in the other hand is great
[07:54] <Random832> waking up from hibernation or booting up are fast for me
[07:54] <Random832> and i don't have to save all my stuff to hibernate like to shut down
[07:55] <Random832> and the fact that there's no explanation >_<
[08:35] <tauno> Hello everyone. My name is tauno. I am first time in irc since year 2003. I am in xubuntu channel fist time. I am also new xubunu user since 26april. Nice to be here.
[08:39] <ruien> Hello there
[08:51] <tauno> My first official question: If i want to run "xmodmap" file automatically during the startup, how can it be done? Or general wersion of this question: how can i run some command line command automatically with every time I start my computer?
[08:51] <baizon> tauno: <paulbritphoto> Hi Random 832 ... go to menu > settings > startup menu and disable the service at startup. You can re-add it later should you get BT.
[08:52] <Random832> thanks
[08:52] <baizon> sorry Random832 pasted to much :D
[08:52] <baizon> tauno: there you can add scripts that will autorun on startup
[08:54] <Random832> oh ll that was just the answer from earlier
[08:54]  * Random832 is too tired
[08:54] <baizon> :)
[08:55] <Random832> it's 5am and i'm still awake
[08:55]  * baizon got 11AM :)
[08:55] <Random832> but are yiu still awak from yestrday
[08:55] <baizon> nope :)
[08:56] <Random832> goodnightall
[08:56] <ruien> night
[08:56] <ruien> Does anyone know where keyboard shortcuts live? The documentation (in /usr/share/doc) seems wrong
[08:57] <Random832> where what keyboard shortcuts live
[08:58] <ruien> xfce window manager shortcuts
[08:58] <Sysi> in window manager settings, stored somewhere in ~/.config
[08:58] <tauno> ok. lets try. I will restart my computer...
[09:00] <Sysi> does spotify linux preview require unlimited/premium account?
[09:02] <baizon> Sysi: i think so
[09:02] <baizon> there is only a preview release yet
[09:03] <neo^> Keep up the good work, Xfce developers!
[09:03] <tauno> yeah it works. Than you baizon!
[09:06] <nicklas_> Hi. My media keys for adjusting sound up/down/mute doesn't work. A notification does pop up when using them, but the actual setting is not changed. Any ideas?
[09:07] <baizon> np tauno
[09:07] <baizon> nicklas_: no support?
[09:08] <baizon> nicklas_: my media keys werent working with 3.0 kernel, with 3.2 kernel they are working now
[09:08] <nicklas_> I am running 3.2.
[09:10] <nicklas_> I can adjust the sound using the sound settings in indicator panel, but would like to use the dedicated buttons :)
[09:11] <ruien> it sounds like the system doesn't know what they're supposed to correspond to, but can detect the fact that one is pressed. You may need to make a keyboard shortcut to link it in with the function that you want it to perform?
[09:12] <nicklas_> ruien: Sure, I will google around how to adjust sound from terminal and then make a keyboard shortcut. Thanks!
[09:12] <ruien> I'm actually trying to figure out something similar right now :)
[09:12] <Sysi> nicklas_: remove xfce4-volumed and set hotkeys for "amixer -q set Master 5%+" and 5%- and amixer -q Master toggle
[09:14] <xubuntu701> hi
[09:15] <nicklas_> Sysi: Ah, cool. Can adjust volume up/down but "amixer -q Master toggle" gives me amixer: Unknown command 'Master'...
[09:15] <Sysi> nicklas_: I probably remembered that one wrong
[09:16] <Sysi> "amixer set Master toggle"
[09:16] <xubuntu701> I ve just installed xubuntu. The problem is that the panel has not the email notification. Do anyone knows how I can solve that?
[09:17] <nicklas_> Sysi: Yeah, that one nearly works. Can only turn off sound, but will google around. Thanks for you help!
[09:18] <Sysi> nicklas_: I think there's bug regarding that, unmuting by turning up vol should work though
[09:19] <nicklas_> Sysi: Ahh, sure :)
[09:26] <ouyes> how to set a large font size of the terminal?
[09:26] <baizon> settings
[09:26] <baizon> and change there the font size
[09:27] <Sysi> in terminal's settings, appearance tab
[09:27] <baizon> yes thank you Sysi :)
[09:27] <ouyes> Sysi, ?
[09:28] <Sysi> ouyes: I'm not gonna make video about this
[09:31] <xuserx> hello
[09:31] <ouyes> Sysi, it is done thanks
[09:32] <xuserx> is xfce 4.10 FINAL available for xubuntu?
[09:32] <xuserx> ???????
[09:32] <baizon> xuserx: here you will get the same answer ;)
[09:32] <baizon> the only thing you can do is check the ppa for it :)
[09:32] <baizon> and wait
[09:32] <baizon> or compile it by yourself :)
[09:32] <xuserx> what ppa?
[09:33] <Sysi> there's probably very little difference with final and version in ppa of mrpouit, but you can wait for final to hit xubuntu-dev ppa like me
[09:33] <baizon> xuserx: this https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[09:33] <baizon> or this https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa
[09:34] <xuserx> ok
[09:34] <xuserx> but when will be xfce 4.10 i386 available for xubuntu ?
[09:35] <baizon> next few days i would say :)
[09:35] <baizon> dont worry im waiting too ;)=
[09:35] <knome> maybe in the next week
[09:35] <knome> or two
[09:36] <xuserx> two weeks.....
[09:36] <xuserx> a lot of time
[09:36] <knome> depends on the workload of lionel (who's ppa it is)
[09:36] <knome> xuserx, remember, it's volunteer work..
[09:36] <xuserx> i know
[09:37] <baizon> damn i need that global menu !
[09:37] <baizon> http://i.imgur.com/cZKPn.png
[09:37] <Wizard> :|
[09:39] <ouyes> how to install themes and apply it?
[09:39] <ouyes> the default theme is ugly
[09:39] <knome> ouyes, copy the theme files to ~/.themes/
[09:40] <knome> ouyes, note that many themes do not support gtk3 well yet, so they might habe glitches
[09:40] <ouyes> and gnome icons are not available
[09:42] <knome> ouyes, you need to install gnome-icon-theme-full
[09:43] <ouyes> knome, thanks
[09:49] <xuserx> will 4.10 be included in xubuntu 12.04 updates?
[09:49] <baizon> xuserx: no
[09:49] <ouyes> the tile use a separate line as the menu in every application, why not to merge them in one line?
[09:49] <baizon> it will be shipped with xubuntu 12.10
[09:50] <xuserx> ok
[09:50] <xuserx> i installed that xfce 4.10 pre 2 deb and now i cant login into xfce
[09:52] <xuserx> :-D
[09:52] <baizon> xuserx: so uninstall it ;)
[09:59] <Wizard> Uh.
[09:59] <knome> baizon, xuserx, 4.10 might hit 12.04 with an SRU
[10:00] <Wizard> I don't understand why people rush to bleeding edge software.
[10:00] <xuserx> what is SRU?
[10:00] <baizon> knome: really? :)
[10:00] <Wizard> If I could, I would appreciate if some distribution shipped KDE1 for example ;)
[10:00] <knome> xuserx, "stable release update", eh. 12.04.1
[10:00] <baizon> Wizard: i dont think xfce 4.10 is an bleeding edge :D
[10:01] <knome> baizon, maybe. it's not discussed thoroughly yet, but it's possible
[10:01] <Wizard> It is, it's still in "pre" stage.
[10:01] <baizon> knome: thx 4 that info :)
[10:01] <ruien> the 4.10 docs aren't even done yet
[10:02] <Wizard> Btw, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvu-A1JEIrw ← SRU ;]
[10:02] <knome> Wizard, please, #xubuntu-offtopic...
[10:03] <Wizard> Sorry, I couldn't resist.
[10:03] <xuserx> so xfce 4.10 stable/final will be available on xubuntu 12.04 updates?
[10:03] <ruien> I have noticed that <Primary>+<Alt>+d is a "show desktop" toggle in Xfce. Does anyone know where this is configured (I'd like to change it to <Super>+z) ?
[10:03] <knome> xuserx, maybe, as i said.
[10:03] <xuserx> ok
[10:04] <Wizard> ruien: Probably Settings → Windows → Keyboard
[10:04] <ruien> nevermind - found it, the third time i looked through this settings window
[10:04] <xuserx> xfce 4.10 has a lot of improvements
[10:04] <ruien> yeah, that's right. Sorry for the noise
[10:04] <Wizard> No problem.
[10:11] <baizon> xuserx: you know that 12.04.1 will be released in July
[10:11] <xuserx> ok
[10:11] <xuserx> :)
[10:14] <xuserx> so xfce 4.10 will be available in next release xubuntu 12.04.1?
[10:15] <xuserx> xfce 4.10 will not be available in xubuntu 12.04 final as update?
[10:15] <baizon> xuserx: <knome> baizon, maybe. it's not discussed thoroughly yet, but it's possible
[10:16] <baizon> xuserx: so be patient
[10:17] <franky> hello!
[10:17] <franky> xfce 4.10 is out!
[10:17] <baizon> franky: yes
[10:17] <franky> now, how to install in ubuntu 12.04?
[10:18] <franky> hello baizon
[10:18] <baizon> franky: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1960505
[10:19] <franky> I am going to see
[10:23] <franky> I still don't know what to do   :(
[10:24] <baizon> franky: be patient and wait for an ppa :)
[10:25] <franky> I thought there already was an ppa
[10:25] <franky> I can't wait!
[10:25] <franky> XD
[10:29] <tauno> If I want to listen internet radio channels how can i make them work? Do I need to instal some codecs, and if so, how?
[10:30] <franky> I use radio tray to listen
[10:32] <Shape> is xubuntu updated and supported at the same time with the normal Ubuntu (gnome) ?
[10:33] <knome> Shape, the lts release is supported for three years
[10:34] <Shape> knome: but you get the updates at the same time as the normal Ubuntu users correct?
[10:34] <knome> Shape, yes
[10:34] <Shape> As in the ONLY difference is the desktop environment which just comes with it so that you have no bugs. Correct?
[10:35] <knome> Shape, well, no, that's not the only difference (different default applications and configurations too)
[10:37] <Shape> knome: I see, thanks! I will read up more on the web about it.
[10:37] <knome> np
[10:39] <xubuntu233> HI
[10:39] <xubuntu237> hi
[10:40] <xubuntu237> Can anyone help me? I have problem with panel
[10:40] <xubuntu233> XFCE 4.10 is in Xubuntu repositories? How could look at?
[10:41] <xubuntu233> xubuntu237 What problem?
[10:41] <gim_> xubuntu233: Not yet
[10:42] <xubuntu237> there is no email notification
[10:45] <xubuntu237> I tried to restore the default panel but without success
[11:05] <mrmango> hi, being that 12.04 has not been around for long, are the repos slow atm? Could be connections from here, but tried two different routes and they seem a little slow. Any way I can change the mirror on install?
[11:17] <SandJ> mrmango, I had never used BitTorrent before last night.  Using 'Transmission' in Xubuntu I downloaded Mint 12 DVD, Ubuntu 12.04 CD and Xubuntu 12.04 CD in about 90 minutes over my usually-slow connection.
[11:17] <SandJ> Damn, missed him!
[13:52] <CiPi> hello, I have a problem with the new Xubuntu 12.4 LTS. I can`t create a encrypted home directory from the beginning of install. I get: ubi-usersetup failed with exit code 1.
[13:52] <CiPi> And other errors are in syslog.
[13:54] <knome> CiPi, can you file a bug for that?
[13:54] <CiPi> Yes.
[13:54] <knome> thanks
[13:54] <CiPi> Can i paste here, or?
[13:54] <knome> CiPi, no, in launchpad
[13:54] <knome> CiPi, that should be against the ubiquity installer
[13:54] <CiPi> Okay.
[13:54] <knome> CiPi, you can attach logs, and probably should :)
[13:54] <CiPi> I don`t know, the old version is working perfect.
[13:55] <knome> mmh, add that to the description
[13:55] <knome> at least i didn't see anything like this when we did tests
[13:55] <knome> so hard to say what's causing that
[13:56] <CiPi> It mai be the problem that I use AMD64 with SSD, and in the log I gen this error. - xubuntu kernel: [372.247596] Intel AES-NI instructions are not detected.
[13:56] <knome> mm-hmm
[13:57] <knome> maybe :)
[13:57] <knome> any information you can throw to the bug report will help
[13:57] <CiPi> It mai be that I don`t use a Intel motherboard?
[13:57] <knome> it's possible that it is some kind of hardware issue yeah
[13:57] <knome> but as it's a regression (worked before with the same hw), it should be fixable
[13:59] <CiPi> Okay, plecse, can you tell me where exactly to paste all "thing" to the launchpad?
[14:01] <knome> CiPi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubiquity
[14:01] <knome> CiPi, file a bug there
[14:01] <knome> CiPi, when you have filed the bug, you can attach files
[14:01] <knome> CiPi, for example, see the bottom of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ubiquity/+bug/925482 (or bottom as in below comment box)
[14:27] <razvan986> any ideas why LUbuntu software center keeps crashing?
[14:27] <pleia2> this is the #xubuntu channel, you probably want #lubuntu :)
[14:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> razvan986: open up a terminal, and start the Lubuntu software center from there
[14:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> when it crashes, tell us the output
[14:28] <razvan986> how to start it
[14:28] <razvan986> from terminal
[14:29] <razvan986> on Lubuntu there are sleeping :(
[14:30] <pleia2> xubuntu doesn't use the lubuntu software center (we use the regular ubuntu one)
[14:31] <Mike-Linux-NL> razvan986: here's how you can find that answer: http://is.gd/2iKx7u
[14:31] <CiPi> knome, thanks. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/991139 I hope it`s ok.
[14:31] <pleia2> Mike-Linux-NL: please don't use that link in here, it's not nice
[14:32] <pleia2> Mike-Linux-NL: he's asking about lubuntu, not ubuntu, and I'm not sure what the application is actually called
[14:32] <knome> CiPi, add at least this information: you've had it working before in release XX.XX
[14:33] <knome> CiPi, also maybe the output of lshw
[14:33] <CiPi> I have to reboot and try to reinstall to regenerate the error log again. :)
[14:34] <Mike-Linux-NL> i think you start the lubuntu software center via: 	lubuntu-software-center
[14:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> is there a way to install the unity-greeter without a whole lot of gnome dependancies?
[14:35] <knome> CiPi, if you can, i'm sure that would be helpful for the developers trying to fix the bug :)
[14:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> it wants to install a whole list of other software when installing that package
[14:36] <pleia2> Mike-Linux-NL: they left
[14:36] <knome> Mike-Linux-NL, try with --no-install-recommends ?
[14:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> how do you mean?
[14:36] <pleia2> from the command line: apt-get install --no-install-recommends unity-greeter
[14:36] <knome> with sudo :]
[14:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> hmm do you think unity-greeter will still work then?
[14:37] <Mike-Linux-NL> dont i need some of the dependancies?
[14:37] <knome> recommends != dependencies
[14:38] <CiPi> It may be that this problem it`s on me...I have deleted a small 100mb partition that windows 7 has created it on install... That partition is need it for encrypting whole disk for PGP or truecrypt... It may be that Xubuntu also uses that for encryption... I`m not sure.
[14:38] <knome> CiPi, that shouldn't be any issue
[14:41] <CiPi> Mmmm... I had think of that...
[14:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> unity-greeter is installed :)
[14:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> but there is no unity-greeter.conf file in /etc/lightdm
[14:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> do i have to rename the lightdm.conf?
[14:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> or lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf ?
[14:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> to unity-greeter.conf ?
[15:05] <crond> I have slain the evil pulseaudio!
[15:10] <crond> Is there a way to NOT make my system grind to an unusable halt if I'm copying a bunch of files in the background? Its like my OS is giving priority to a background copy of files over my user experience.
[15:13] <tomreyn> hi, i upgraded to 12.04 yesterday and now i got this new notification icon on the panel, depicting a letter with a small black corner and a number in it to the right bottom of the letter. whenever i change the audio volume a notification stacks up there. what is this icon/application/indicator called, and can i get rid of it somehow?
[15:20] <Mike-Linux-NL> installed unity-greeter and the ubuntu plymouth theme now.
[15:21] <Mike-Linux-NL> now it looks like i am starting up ubuntu 10.04 with the regular gnome2 dekstop, even though its XFCE
[15:21] <Mike-Linux-NL> and its fast!
[15:22] <Barridus> hey all, does anyone here use dropbox in xfce?  i wanna step up to 12.04 but i absolutely need dropbox to work :)
[15:22] <Mike-Linux-NL> yes!
[15:22] <Mike-Linux-NL> and i even found a deb package to make dropbox work with thunar!
[15:22] <Mike-Linux-NL> :)
[15:22] <Barridus> i don't mind using nautilus still
[15:22] <Barridus> i just want it to work without farting around too much XD
[15:23] <Mike-Linux-NL> its not farting around
[15:23] <Barridus> did you use the deb from the ubu repo or the one from dropbox's site?
[15:23] <Mike-Linux-NL> go to the dropbox site and install the deb package
[15:23] <Mike-Linux-NL> then install the deb package from this site: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=72253
[15:24] <Barridus> i tried that launch day and it gave an unreconcilable package requirement error that was incorrect, maybe they fixed it?
[15:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> use the 32bit or 64
[15:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> the tar.gz files will contain the deb file
[15:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> well dropbox worked for me right from the get go
[15:24] <Mike-Linux-NL> i did a clean install
[15:24] <Barridus> maybe they fixed it then
[15:24] <Barridus> it said i needed libnautilus1 or something, which i did have
[15:25] <Barridus> google results said it was a bug
[15:25] <Mike-Linux-NL> next to that thunar-dropbox package u still need the dropbox package for nautilus, but you can uninstall nautilus after installing the thunar-dropbox package
[15:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> i think the thunar-dropbox is even better, because next to the "copy public link" thing in the menu, you also have other options for dropbox, like show previous versions etc
[15:26] <Barridus> ah cool
[15:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> Barridus: are you also escaping unity and gnbome shell? :P
[15:27] <Barridus> i'd like to XD
[15:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> thats what i do too...
[15:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> and i totally "gnomified" my xfce desktop...
[15:27] <Barridus> i'm on a netbook, both of those run like rubbish XD
[15:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> so it looks like the gnome2 desktop again
[15:28] <Barridus> thanks for the info, my dropbox is quite large (i pay for more space)
[15:28] <Barridus> tired of transferring it back and forth for failed attempts XD
[15:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> lol
[15:29] <Mike-Linux-NL> xubuntu team: is there a way to make that grey background for filenames/foldernames on the desktop transparant?
[15:30] <aguitel> is there ppa with xfce 4.10?
[15:30] <Mike-Linux-NL> yes... i think it was mentioned on webupd8
[15:31] <Mike-Linux-NL> oh no... i read about it here: http://blog.xfce.org/
[15:33] <aguitel> Mike-Linux-NL, need to compile
[15:33] <Mike-Linux-NL> yeah i guess so
[15:33] <Mike-Linux-NL> i'll stick to 4.8 in the meantime
[15:43] <rolesp> hello all
[15:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> hello rolesp
[15:45] <rolesp> hello Mike
[15:49] <Wizard> Hmm.. Seems Unity and Gnome Shell atracted alot of users to XFCE.
[15:50] <rolesp> me included Wizard
[15:51] <Wizard> :)
[15:51] <GridCube> :D
[15:53] <Wizard> Good.
[15:53] <rolesp> but I can't made it work with my Ati radeon video card
[15:54] <rolesp> I am chassing the drivers now
[15:54] <rolesp> there are drivers fo xorg and for xfree86
[15:55] <rolesp> wich one for xubuntu?
[15:55] <Wizard> xorg. Doesn't jockey show any available for your card?
[15:56] <Wizard> Programs → System → Drivers.
[15:56] <rolesp> jockey?
[15:57] <Wizard> Yes, on Ubuntu jockey rides drivers ;P
[15:58] <rolesp> I only have a black screen after grub loads
[16:00] <Wizard> Uh.
[16:01] <GridCube> rolesp, press alt-f2 and write >gksu jockey-gtk
[16:02] <knome> GridCube, in the black screen after grub? :]
[16:02] <GridCube> XD
[16:02] <GridCube> no
[16:02] <Wizard> So what leads you to conclusion that you need ati drivers?
[16:03] <GridCube> rolesp, then he needs to jockey-text
[16:03] <rolesp> alt + f2 only shows ^[[[[[
[16:03] <GridCube> yeah...
[16:04] <GridCube> my mistake
[16:04] <Wizard> That means you are still in console and system didn't even boot.
[16:04] <GridCube> ^^^
[16:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> what was that command to install unity-greeter with no reccomends?
[16:04] <Wizard> The question is: why.
[16:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> to avoid the 128mb of extra files it wants to install? i forgot to write it down
[16:05] <Wizard> Mike-Linux-NL: --ignore-suggests or something like this. See man apt-get
[16:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> Wizard: somebody wrote it in here, and it worked like a charm.. but i wanted to write that command down for future use
[16:05] <knome> Mike-Linux-NL, sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends [pkgname]
[16:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> ah ok thnx!
[16:05] <Wizard> Ah, knome was faster.
[16:06] <Wizard> rolesp: You did an update or you did fresh install?
[16:07] <rolesp> I did a fresh install wizard
[16:09] <rolesp> but I had problems from the start in this machine, the cd is ok, it installs in an hp with a nvidia card without problem
[16:11] <rolesp> but in this machine i have problems from the start, the installer goes to black screen after the install option
[16:12] <Wizard> :(
[16:12] <Wizard> Have you tried other options?
[16:12] <GridCube> rolesp, can you boot into a live cd?
[16:12] <rolesp> i finaly made it work using one of the options
[16:12] <GridCube> if yes install boot-repair, it takes like 2 seconds
[16:13] <GridCube> and you can fix your grub
[16:14] <rolesp> yes i can boot a live ubuntu 10.04
[16:14] <Wizard> GridCube: he said he cannot boot live.
[16:14] <Wizard> Ah, so 12.04 doesn't work?
[16:14] <Wizard> Hmm.
[16:14] <GridCube> oh
[16:14] <GridCube> :/
[16:20] <tapernak> Hi
[16:20] <GridCube> hello
[16:21] <tapernak> can i have some help please?
[16:22] <GridCube> !ask
[16:22] <GridCube> !help
[16:22] <GridCube> mmhm theres help facto
[16:25] <tapernak> Sorry, is it possible that compiz works fine in xubuntu 12.04?
[16:26] <GridCube> as possible, its possible
[16:26] <knome> as possible? GridCube, you are making no sense today
[16:27] <GridCube> tapernak, faq 9 http://wp.xubuntu.org/articles/faq-1110-oneiric/
[16:27] <GridCube> knome, what means do you?
[16:27] <GridCube> D:
[16:27] <GridCube> that link is broken?!
[16:27] <knome> GridCube, "as *always*, it's possible" ?
[16:28] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/
[16:28] <GridCube> ...
[16:28] <GridCube> it changed...
[16:28] <knome> GridCube, is that linked from somewhere in the web?
[16:28] <knome> yeah...
[16:28] <GridCube> it was a bookmark
[16:28] <knome> wp.xubuntu.org was the *staging* site :D
[16:28] <GridCube> oh
[16:28] <GridCube> correct
[16:28] <GridCube> back in the times
[16:28] <knome> GridCube, http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/
[16:28] <GridCube> i did miss that
[16:28] <knome> GridCube, that works well...
[16:29] <knome> GridCube, btw, we need a new FAQ-article ;)
[16:29] <GridCube> yes
[16:29] <GridCube> we where talking about that the other day
[16:29] <knome> yeah, i remember
[16:29] <GridCube> i have the questions for like 5 or 6
[16:29] <GridCube> let me compile them
[16:30] <tapernak> tnahks
[16:30] <knome> GridCube, sure, and post any link that allows editing to the devel ML :)
[16:30] <tapernak> thanks
[16:30] <knome> GridCube, (and irc too)
[16:30] <GridCube> :) ok
[16:30] <GridCube> we can use the xfce pad thingy?
[16:30] <knome> actually, that doesn't exist any more
[16:31] <knome> but http://typewith.me/
[16:31] <knome> just take backups now and then
[16:31] <GridCube> ok
[16:31] <GridCube> i can make a gdoc
[16:31] <knome> http://typewith.me/p/xubuntu-1204-top10faq
[16:31] <knome> or that ;)
[16:32] <knome> we used that to write our thesis, so it's relatively reliable...
[16:33] <xubuntu875> I notice that Network Manager is looping and consumes 1 cpu.
[16:34]  * drc wonders why GridCube and knome are using the royal "we" ? :)
[16:35] <knome> drc, none of those were a royal we ;)
[16:35]  * knome wrote his thesis with a partner
[16:35] <rolesp> I am trying to boot a live xubuntu 11.04, but only displays the logo screen
[16:35] <drc> oh...ok...nevermind :)
[16:36] <drc> knome: what discipline?  a multi-author thesis...interesting.
[16:36]  * knome is a bachelor of social services
[16:37] <drc> er...nevermind...getting OT :)
[16:37] <knome> heh, yeah O:)
[16:38] <Sysi> typewith.me doesn't work for me.. ever heard about piratepad.net?
[16:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> i noticed that pulseaudio is crashing a lot on xubuntu
[16:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> and the volume hotkeys do work, but its not changing the volume when i restart pulseaudio
[16:49] <rolesp> xubuntu 1104 live also gives a black screen after a while, but alt + f2 give me a cosole
[16:50] <Mike-Linux-NL> never had issues with pulseaudio on lucid though...
[16:57] <crond> Mike-Linux-NL, I uninstalled pulseaudio
[16:57] <crond> so many issues
[16:57] <crond> especially with wine.
[16:57] <crond> everything is much happier now without it
[17:08] <Mike-Linux-NL> i found a bug
[17:08] <GridCube> nice, report it
[17:08] <GridCube> :)
[17:09] <Mike-Linux-NL> as soon as i plugin a headphone, pulseaudio exchanges to headphone, but i cannot change/set anyting there. it is greyed out. however, when i set it back to speakers, the headphones work, and the speakers on the laptop is muted, like it should
[17:09] <GridCube> nice, do you get an error from blueman when you plugin your headphones?
[17:10] <GridCube> everytime i plug something on my netbook i get a crash report from blueman :P
[17:10] <Mike-Linux-NL> Bryan, next time setup a large videowall outside, when people are not fitting in anymore lol
[17:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> oops wrong windows
[17:12] <Mike-Linux-NL> GridCube: no.. its not a bluetooth device
[17:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> i use the audiojacks on the laptop
[17:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> however, it turns quiet...
[17:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> when i set it back to speakers, headphone works
[17:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> and speakers of laptop are muted
[17:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> and speakers of laptop work again when pulling out the cable
[17:14] <GridCube> Mike-Linux-NL, mine neither
[17:41] <rolesp> where i get the alternate cd?
[17:42] <Sysi> Ihttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[17:42] <Sysi> minus I
[17:43] <rolesp> ok, thanks
[17:53] <mucus> My wubi install of x said an update was available... so I let it run.....now its kinda not booting....what can I do?
[17:53] <rolesp> bbl
[17:54] <mucus> I saw a message about some stuff .....
[17:54] <mucus> Oh...its back
[17:54] <mucus> Thanks for the help
[17:58] <foobArrr> I have a problem with X and xfce4-settings-helper, high CPU usage. the first few minutes after login, X uses 100% of one core and xfce4-settings-helper is at ~25% CPU usage. after a few minutes this drops to around 25% for X and 5% for xfce4-settings-helper. If I kill xfce4-settings-helper, X cpu usage is normal again. this started after upgrading from 11.10 to 12.04. 2 screenshots of htop, one directly after login, one 20 minutes later: http://s3.im
[17:58] <foobArrr> gimg.de/uploads/afterboot3995565dpng.png http://s3.imgimg.de/uploads/later765b8859png.png
[18:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> Bryan, u still in irc?
[18:09] <foobArrr> what does xfce4-settings-helper do? what will break if I remove it from autostart?
[18:20] <foobArrr> xfce4-volumed is high up in the cpu time list too. is that normal?
[18:26] <stevex> I'm getting an error trying to install the patch package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/955703/
[18:28] <stevex> oh, the problem wasn't patch. I fixed it with: sudo dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update
[18:31] <stevex> well have a great day
[18:33] <foobArrr> I just created a second user account, normal cpu usage there.
[18:34] <acalbaza_> hi, can i just update packages to 4.10 using apt-get?
[18:35] <knome> acalbaza_, no, 4.10 is not in xubuntu yet
[18:35] <Unit193> 4.10 isn't in Precise.
[18:35] <knome> bbl
[18:35] <acalbaza_> ahh
[18:37] <acalbaza_> are the tarballs made available the source for the various packages?
[18:38] <xubuntu652> buenas tardes, ? alguien en castellano que pueda intentar ayudarme ?
[18:38] <Unit193> !es
[18:39] <xubuntu652> [ Unit193 ] muchas gracias.
[18:41] <Unit193> Sure.
[18:55] <drc> acalbaza_: http://www.xfce.org/download
[18:57] <drc> acalbaza_: https://plus.google.com/u/1/112064450121097287690/posts About 4 posts down, if you're interested.
[19:01] <acalbaza_> drc: the ppa for the preview release?
[19:01] <drc> yes, iirc, 4.10 won't enter xubuntu until 12.10
[19:09] <GridCube> it will most probably do
[19:14] <drc> do....?
[19:36] <acalbaza> i can i get the version # for the running instance of xfce?
[19:36] <knome> acalbaza, i suppose xfce4-about will tell
[19:36] <acalbaza> ahh
[19:38] <acalbaza> i guess my update to the preview release didnt go smoothly
[19:38] <acalbaza> still says 4.8
[19:38] <knome> it's possible that the ppa doesn't update that
[19:38] <knome> that's because i said "i suppose" ;)
[19:38] <acalbaza> heh
[19:38] <knome> *that's why
[19:38] <acalbaza> any other way to tell?
[19:39] <knome> acalbaza, well check the panel version, thunar version...
[19:40] <acalbaza> thunar is @ 1.3.2...
[19:41] <acalbaza> older version was 1.2.3
[20:50] <rolesp> bbl
[20:54] <mritz> change my resolution to 1440x900 on my macbook air and screen crapped out
[21:32] <ROdodrigo> hola
[21:32] <ROdodrigo> pregunta
[21:32] <ROdodrigo> sepuede actualizar a XFCE 4.10??
[21:34] <Unit193> No, 4.10 isn't in 12.04LTS
[21:34] <Unit193> There's only a PPA for it.
[21:35] <Unit193> !es
[21:43] <ROdodrigo> in english then
[21:43] <ROdodrigo> I want to install XFCE 4.10
[21:44] <ROdodrigo> is there a ppa or something?
[21:44] <Myrtti> is there a specific reason why you want it?
 No, 4.10 isn't in 12.04LTS
 There's only a PPA for it.
[21:44] <Myrtti> if you don't mind me asking
[21:44] <knome> Myrtti, sure
[21:44] <knome> Myrtti, oh, dang
[21:44] <knome> :)

[21:45] <knome> yeah, that...
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[21:46] <ROdodrigo> I like to be updated
[21:46] <knome> ROdodrigo, 4.10 is mostly UI polishing
[21:46] <ROdodrigo> even better
[21:47] <Myrtti> ROdodrigo: if it's only UI polishing, then the fact that using a PPA effectively leaves you without official support isn't in my opinion reason enough to use a PPA
[21:48] <Myrtti> but of course you're allowed to make your own decisions
[21:48] <PatrickBic> is there any known explanation why i cant click anything in a window-border (meaning: window title, minimize/maximize/close controls) but can click everywhere else     (asked that over in #xfce but its a newly installed 12.04 xubuntu ;) )
[21:48] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa <- experimental pre2 pacakges
[21:48] <knome> PatrickBic, what do you mean "can't click" ?
[21:48] <PatrickBic> taps arent recognized (as touchscreen tap = click)
[21:49] <PatrickBic> but they work elsewhere
[21:50] <PatrickBic> knome, x86 tablet running xubuntu 12.04 on a MT 11.6" touchscreen
[21:50] <PatrickBic> worked in previous versions and other distros and stuff :-/
[22:05] <gua> Is there a good place to buy Xubuntu CDs online somewhere?
[22:06] <knome> gua, at least on-disk.com ships them, but apparently they don't have 12.04 yet
[22:07] <gua> Yeah, the places a quick googling turned up didn't seem to have much, and they didn't exactly look fancy
[22:08] <gua> Were the free shipit discs from not too long ago pressed or burned?
[22:08] <knome> xubuntu was never offered via shipit
[22:08] <knome> and afaik, shipit doesn't exist anymore anyway
[22:08] <gua> Oh? I thought there were free CDs at some point and I assumed it was part of shipit
[22:08] <gua> yeah
[22:09] <gua> Something like http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=976 for xubuntu would be very nice. Fancy case and stuff.
[22:11] <knome> maybe some day.
[22:12] <knome> currently, it's not realistic to have any shipping service which could provide good-looking, and high quality stuff for anything most people are willing to pay for something that is essentially free
[22:12] <knome> shippping+producing even
[22:15] <knome> something like ready-made designs to print yourself could be possible.
[22:15] <knome> gua, ^ community is encouraged to take part ;]
[22:15] <gua> Ah yeah. If only it wasn't so expensive to do low-runs of pressed discs. I would like to donate to Xubuntu while at the same time getting something like quality media as a kind of keepsake.
[22:18] <slaptman> hello i am getting a lag on my mouse and on youtube videos at the same time.Does anyone know a workaround?
[22:18] <knome> slaptman, flash on linux takes quite a lot of resources.
[22:18] <knome> unfortunately...
[22:18] <knome> slaptman, have you tried the html5 version of youtube?
[22:18] <knome> slaptman, http://www.youtube.com/html5
[22:19] <slaptman> thanks knome
[22:19] <knome> np
[22:21] <slaptman> I just click join html5 trial?and i'm good
[22:21] <slaptman> ?
[22:21] <knome> slaptman, yes, that should be it
[22:21] <slaptman> sweet! :D
[22:22] <drc> make sure youtube can place a cookie :)
[22:24] <knome> i'm off to bed, see you latery
[22:25] <knome> -y
[22:25] <drc> wimp
[22:25] <knome> huh?
[22:25] <knome> drc, watch it :P
[22:25] <drc> we doan need no stinkin' sleep :)
[22:25] <knome> i said "bed", not "sleep" :P
[22:26] <knome> ->
[22:26] <drc> I retract everything I said
[23:18] <ROdodrigo> what's the diference between the nvidia driver on the ubuntu repo, and the one you are giving me?
[23:23] <xubuntu717> anyone else lose everything in their applications menu?
[23:24] <dresden> is there a problem with USB 3.0 in Precise?
[23:25] <xubuntu717> the 12.04 upgrade isn't as smooth as the last one
[23:52] <acmeinc1> any idea why postfix logs to both mail.log AND syslog?  Would removing *.* from the rsyslog.conf prevent this?  Would removing *.* prevent other (important) events from logging?