[00:52] <TheBuntu> on 12.04 livecd.. i don't see the usb creator.. whats the name of it? so i can install it
[01:24] <tbrown> I was wondering about Kubuntu can any one tell me about the KDE Desktop Experence.
[01:56] <deskfrag> argle bargle
[01:57] <deskfrag> so weird... my znc just messed up on my pogoplug out of the blue
[02:02]  * deskfrag beats his pogoplug with a stick
[02:43] <TheBuntu> What ati catalyst is in the repo.. 12.2 12.3 or 12.4
[02:50] <TheBuntu> What version of ATI Catalyst is in the 12.04 repo??
[02:57] <TheBuntu> everyone fall asleep!!
[04:44] <idgafsmd> help
[04:50] <idgafsmd> i need help with the grub screen, I recently installed kubuntu and I am stuck on the grub screen havent even used linux YET
[04:56] <idgafsmd> i need help with the grub screen, I recently installed kubuntu and I am stuck on the grub screen havent even used linux YET
[04:56] <idgafsmd> i need help with the grub screen, I recently installed kubuntu and I am stuck on the grub screen havent even used linux YET
[04:56] <idgafsmd> i need help with the grub screen, I recently installed kubuntu and I am stuck on the grub screen havent even used linux YET
[04:56] <FloodBotK1> idgafsmd: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:01] <palmiro> Hi
[07:03] <palmiro> I have installed "ubuntu extras" for codecs etc. This package have also installed ms fonts. After reboot my system have very little and ugly font. How can I restore the original font and dimension ?
[07:30] <pachozaga> hey
[07:46] <norritt> hi @ll,  kubuntu 12.04 amd64:  my pc hangs on "system_call_fastpath" if i try to startup from the live CD, cd md5sum is ok. i have seen a lot results on google but noone have a fix for this... any hints?
[08:33] <gotzone___> go1972
[08:35] <gotzone___> go1972
[08:38] <ForgeAus> whats a good size swap file for kubuntu on the end half of a TB drive?
[08:39] <ForgeAus> considering a Darwin or OSX for the first half lol :)
[08:39] <ForgeAus> oh crap that means I need guid partitioning right?
[08:40] <ForgeAus> my kubuntu feisty probably doesn't support GPT! ugh!
[08:40] <ForgeAus> that means I probably shouldn't use it to partition which means I should get myself a more current iso :(
[09:07] <Quetzalcoatl> hi. can anyone tell a good program for removing exif information?
[09:17] <ForgeAus> apparently theres a program called jhead that removes exif data
[09:18] <ForgeAus> for anyone interested since the original person who asked has left already
[09:22] <Oxymoron> I restarted kubuntu multiple times, and I never get upgrade to 12.04 from muon upgrader? How do I manually initiate the install process?
[09:26] <Oxymoron> Hmm why does it feels like I already have 12.04 installed? No new packages and no new dist is found hmm and have Kmix issues since long time ago.
[09:44] <rork> Oxymoron: you can check with `cat /etc/issue`, I updated from 11.10 last saturday, doens't feel really different tbh
[09:46] <ikonia> lsb_release -a will confirm your current version
[09:47] <Oxymoron> rork: Hmm it says I have 11.10 ... And yeah doesnt feel any difference except more bugs ...
[09:48] <ikonia> Oxymoron: what does lsb_release -a show
[09:48] <Oxymoron> No LSB modules are available.
[09:48] <Oxymoron> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[09:48] <Oxymoron> Description:    Ubuntu 11.10
[09:48] <Oxymoron> Release:        11.10
[09:48] <Oxymoron> Codename:       oneiric
[09:48] <ikonia> Oxymoron: ok, so you are still on 11.10
[09:48] <ikonia> Oxymoron: /etc/issue is not to be trusted as a way of verifying your release.
[09:48] <ikonia> you are not running 12.04
[09:48] <ikonia> so your comment about "more bugs" is wrong
[09:48] <Oxymoron> So how to upgrade into 12.04
[09:48] <ikonia> !upgrade | Oxymoron
[09:49] <ikonia> Oxymoron: next time you want to try to bad mouth a distro, try to make sure you are actually running the one you want to bad mouth, it will at least give you an inch of credability
[09:50] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Sorry :/
[09:51] <Oxymoron> ikonia: And I have followed instructions on both Kubuntu and Ubuntu websites to upgrade. i never get any upgrade popup or notice anywehre?
[09:51] <ikonia> Oxymoron: thats fine, you've now lost all credability with me
[09:51] <ikonia> as you "want" to find a problem (see your above commment) I now don't believe anything you say/put it down to user error
[09:52] <ikonia> everyone else is upgrading fine, you're not, so it's most likley user error
[09:56] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Because I am used to find problems, I am freaking sick of computers I really hate it, IT world is incompetent of doign any decent hardware or software, ever. And even we build the world upon digital techniques and computers, really? I am sick of it. It is okay if you think its a PEBCAK, I dont care as that is not the problem.
[09:56] <ikonia> sounds like user error
[09:58] <Oxymoron> Followed every manual to upgrade out there, nothing works. never get anywhere where I can launch the upgrade process. It can be errors even though others managed to upgrade.
[09:58] <ikonia> sounds like user error
[09:58] <ikonia> please tell me how you think you should upgrade from kubuntu 11.10 to kubuntu 12.04
[09:58] <ikonia> please tell me the steps you think you should follow
[10:01] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Sure, first update all packages with muon updater (Been there done that), reboot computer, then it will notice me upgrade is available. If not I try to launch muon myself and check (been there doen that) and if not work at this stage reboot and try once more (Been there done that). At this stage I just give up.
[10:01] <ikonia> Oxymoron: right, so lets check some basics
[10:01] <ikonia> 1.) sudo apt-get update
[10:01] <ikonia> done yes/no ?
[10:01] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Yes of course
[10:02] <ikonia> 2.) alt+f2 run muon-updater
[10:02] <Oxymoron> yes
[10:02] <ikonia> do you get prompted for updates ?
[10:02] <Oxymoron> no
[10:02] <ikonia> good, so that confirms you are up to date with the earlier apt-get update
[10:02] <Oxymoron> I have all latest packages as no new updates is found.
[10:02] <Oxymoron> Then I should reboot, right?
[10:03] <ikonia> yes, and from what you are saying kdenotify does not offer a new release correct ?
[10:03] <Oxymoron> yes
[10:04] <ikonia> ok, so if you run "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d" what happens ?
[10:04] <ikonia> (use kdesudo please)
[10:05] <Oxymoron> ikonia: It says no new release is found.
[10:06] <ikonia> what's the output of "uname -a" on your system ?
[10:06] <Oxymoron> Linux ubuntu 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:06] <ikonia> ok, so that is still the 11.10 setup
[10:07] <ikonia> what is your release profile set to in software sources ?
[10:08] <ikonia> I suspect it's normal releases only
[10:08] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Where do I check release profile?
[10:10] <ikonia> Oxymoron: open software sources
[10:10] <Oxymoron> yes
[10:11] <ikonia> it's in there
[10:11] <ikonia> the release upgrade profile should say either "normal" or "lts" releases.
[10:11] <ikonia> "lts releases only"
[10:11] <ikonia> #set it to "lts releases only"
[10:11] <ikonia> so you can see the lts release.
[10:13] <Oxymoron> I have LTS only
[10:16] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Well not I changed from LTS only to normal, and now finally I got the upgrade notice ... So I guess it was not user error, rather bug in muon that do not release upgrade if you have LTS profile, even though 12.04 is LTS.
[10:18] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Anyway thanks for your help :)
[10:44] <ikonia> Oxymoron: sorry I was in a meeting
[10:44] <ikonia> Oxymoron: I doubt very much you did have "LTS only" as you managed to upgrade to 11.10, / use 11.10 which is not LTS
[10:45] <DoctorPepper> hi guys!!!
[10:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> Morning to ya DoctorPepper
[10:48] <Oxymoron> ikonia: No problem. Well maybe I accidently changed to LTS profile after upgrade to 11.10?
[10:49] <DoctorPepper> i need some help after upgrading to 12.04  from 11.10  when i  try to install any packages  i get  a long list  of package to autoremove. http://paste.ubuntu.com/957204/   i dont know if can safely remove them  without  breaking my system
[10:53] <ikonia> Oxymoron: doubtful, as you'd get the upgrade if it was LTS profiles
[10:53] <ikonia> (with 12.04 being an LTS build)
[10:54] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Well apparantly 12.04 was not detected as LTS in my system somehow, even though I hade LTS profile.
[10:55] <ikonia> Oxymoron: I suspect you may have read it wrong/changed it but not applied it something like that
[10:59] <Oxymoron> Could also be a bug ... but yeah always the users fault.
[11:06] <jean> hello
[11:08] <jean> kubuntu  channel not so chatty today?
[11:17] <ikonia> Oxymoron: I've just done a test on a VM and it worked flawlessly
[11:18] <ikonia> Oxymoron: hence why I'm suggesting it's most likley user error, as it's working for the majority of people, the few cases I've seen people complain about have been a user error situation, and my test just worked flawlessly,
[11:18] <ikonia> plus from what you've said, doesn't make sense so again, more likley to be a user error
[11:21] <xcv_> Hello, can anybody help me with my touchpad/mouse settings? I need to reduce the right-click detection delay because the right-click menu is triggered when I do kde gestures a bit fast and it is really annoying. I have already tried many options even with synclient but they don't solve the problem. Any idea?
[11:21] <Oxymoron> ok
[11:28] <reisi> what package contains an process "Mail Dispatcher Agent" (complaining me periodically about some akonadi problem)?
[11:48] <Peace-> reisi: dpkg -l | grep mail
[11:51] <seth> seth2012
[12:00] <xcv_>  The right-click menu appears if it the button has been hold less than X time. Where can I change it?
[12:00] <Peace-> xcv_: what?
[12:01] <ForgeAus> hey all :) uh how to make a new GPT disk?
[12:01] <ForgeAus> its currently blank (afaik unpartitioned disk)
[12:01] <Peace-> xcv_: what?ì
[12:01] <Peace-> ForgeAus: gpt?
[12:01] <xcv_> Peace-: When I do mouse gestures (right button) a bit fast the menu is triggered
[12:02] <ForgeAus> GUID Partitioning scheme like on mac
[12:02] <xcv_> Peace-: How can I make it require a faster click to open?
[12:02] <Peace-> ForgeAus: you have to do a partition ?
[12:02] <ForgeAus> its instead of MBR
[12:02] <Peace-> ForgeAus: partitionmanager
[12:03] <ForgeAus> yes partition manager can create ones but doesn't that do mbr partitions if I just create?
[12:03] <ForgeAus> how do I know if I'm creating mbr or gpt partitions?
[12:03] <Peace-> mbr is the boot
[12:03] <Peace-> partition it has an *
[12:03] <ForgeAus> that's probably to mark it as an active partition
[12:03] <ForgeAus> thats not what matters to me
[12:04] <Peace-> mbr is the first partition on the disk
[12:04] <Peace-> always
[12:04] <ForgeAus> uh?
[12:04] <ForgeAus> MBR stands for master boot record
[12:05] <Peace-> yes
[12:05] <ForgeAus> it doesn't create GUID partitions that way
[12:05] <Peace-> ForgeAus: http://paste.kde.org/466100
[12:05] <ForgeAus> I'm looking at creating a GPT not MBR disk
[12:05] <ForgeAus> with GPT partitions (an EFI, a darwin, a Kubuntu and linux swap)
[12:06] <ForgeAus> I already have a whole (misbehaving) Win7 disk lol
[12:06] <ForgeAus> thats MBR
[12:06] <ForgeAus> but this second one I want GPT isntead
[12:06] <Peace-> sorry  i dunno what you are trying to do
[12:07] <ForgeAus> I get what your trying to say
[12:07] <ForgeAus> I just don't know how to do things the GPT way instead of MBR
[12:08] <ForgeAus> check out this Peace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
[12:08] <xiong> Hi, I've newly installed Kubuntu. I'm disturbed to see that the various window titlebars are uncolored -- they blend right in with the rest of the window. I see a bug filed against this in 2007. Surely there's at least a workaround by now?
[12:09] <xiong> Also, my topmost window glows! Can this be turned off?
[12:09] <ForgeAus> I think so
[12:10] <ForgeAus> glows and stuff can be altered in the system-settings appearance I would suggest
[12:10] <xcv_> xiong: you can change the titlebar theme or configure it in system settings ->  workspace appearance.
[12:10] <ForgeAus> I haven't exactly tried turning it off though
[12:10] <Peace-> xiong: the blue stuff around windows?
[12:10] <xiong> Yes, ForgeAus, xcv_; that's where I am. And the system doesn't seem to respond.
[12:10] <ForgeAus> personally I thought it was awesome :) but hey if you don't like it
[12:10] <Peace-> xcv_: oxygen-settings on a terminal
[12:10] <xiong> I've been able to change fonts okay.
[12:11] <ForgeAus> xiong, thats strange
[12:11] <ForgeAus> it should work
[12:11] <xcv_> xcv_: where is the right-click menu setting?
[12:11] <xcv_> Peace-:*
[12:11] <Peace-> xcv_: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-ui1784
[12:11] <ForgeAus> appearance tab has lots of things you can change, window decorators and stuff should be there, not sure what part of oxygen does the glow exactly
[12:11] <xiong> ForgeAus: I'll go further. When I opened the 'Colors' subpanel, there was already a color set for Active Titlebar.
[12:12] <Peace-> xiong: choose another color scheme
[12:13] <xiong> Unfortunately, I'm on a seriously underpowered machine. I would like to go through and turn off as many effects and eye candy as possible.
[12:13] <xcv_> Peace-: My problem is that i need to reduce maximum time that right click needs to be hold to open the right-click menu
[12:13] <xcv_> xiong: ctrl+alt+f12
[12:13] <Peace-> xiong: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[12:13] <ForgeAus> you can turn off all special effects from system-settings
[12:13] <xcv_> xiong: mayus+alt+f12 sorry
[12:14] <xiong> xcv_: I have no idea what you just proposed.
[12:14] <Peace-> xiong: just install  kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[12:14] <xiong> Peace-: Let me see if I can figure out how to get a terminal.
[12:14] <Peace-> xiong: ALT F2[12:15] <xcv_> xiong: shift+alt+f12 is a shortcut to stop compositing, i mistyped, sorry
[12:16] <xiong> Well, Alt-F2 worked under GNOME, after I'd so configured it. I'm astonished that it's that way already in Kubuntu. But I'm there anyway.
[12:16] <Peace-> xcv_: here is is instantaneous
[12:17] <Peace-> xiong: :S http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-nw1784
[12:17] <xiong> xcv_: Let's hope I don't have to go as far as turning off all compositing; that might be drastic.
[12:18] <xiong> No manual entry for kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[12:18] <xcv_> Peace-: But it also opens if I do fast gestures, so it isn't as instantaneous as I need it. Can it be configured?
[12:18] <Peace-> omg
[12:18] <Peace-> xiong: sudo apt-get install  kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[12:18] <Peace-> xiong: sudo apt-get install  kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[12:18] <Peace-> xiong: sudo apt-get install  kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[12:18] <FloodBotK1> Peace-: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:19] <xiong> Ah yes, Peace-; done.
[12:19] <xiong> Now I'm searching web for instructions on how to use it.
[12:19] <Peace-> xiong: you don't need
[12:19] <Peace-> xiong: create a new user and you will see
[12:19] <Peace-> or
[12:19] <Peace-> rename ~/.kde
[12:20]  * Peace- you will lost your own configuration renaming that folder i suggest to create a new user
[12:20] <xiong> Well, let's stick with the user I've got, eh?
[12:21] <xiong> This may be an overly drastic solution.
[12:21] <ForgeAus> low fat settings automatically turns off compositing
[12:21] <Peace-> ForgeAus: you can turn on it after
[12:21] <Peace-> but it doens't do only that
[12:21] <ForgeAus> true Peace :)
[12:22] <xiong> Yes; may be overly drastic. Right now, I'll settle for (a) turning off the glow; (b) getting titlebar color; and (c) stop the cursor from bouncing a cute icon when I launch something.
[12:22] <Peace-> xiong: bounching => http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-ii1784
[12:22] <xiong> ???
[12:23] <Peace-> xiong: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-kc1784
[12:24] <xiong> Would you explain that please? I was born in another century, when we tended to lean toward complete sentences. Sorry.
[12:24] <Peace-> a) => oxygen-settings
[12:24] <Peace-> b) => change color scheme
[12:24] <Peace-> :S
[12:25] <Peace-> bye have luck!
[12:25] <xiong> Sorry; but as I explained, changing the color scheme does not color the titlebar. I don't know why; the titlebar color simple is not honored.
[12:26] <xiong> This bug, filed in 2007, and with much discussion consequent, appears to describe my experience exactly: http://old.nabble.com/-Bug-152030--New:-oxygen-window-decoration-does-not-honor-titlebar-color-td13655764.html
[12:27] <Peace-> xiong: => http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-qn1784
[12:27] <Peace-> xiong: use plastick
[12:27] <ForgeAus> actually its the window decorator perhaps?
[12:27] <ForgeAus> use a different window decorator
[12:29] <wielkifreeman> hello, Can I install unity on kubuntu 12.04?
[12:29] <ForgeAus> yes
[12:29] <ForgeAus> you could get ubuntu-desktop package
[12:30] <Peace-> wielkifreeman: unity?
[12:30] <ForgeAus> or even just install the sudo apt-get install unity package
[12:30] <Peace-> wielkifreeman: but why?
[12:30] <ForgeAus> its very anti-kde of course :) but its doable
[12:31] <wielkifreeman> only for fun
[12:31] <xiong> Plastique also ignores Active Tiltlebar... and Inactive Titlebar, too.
[12:31] <ForgeAus> plastique wigets or plastique decorator?
[12:32] <ForgeAus> in the style tab its just for widgets
[12:32] <Peace-> wielkifreeman: you can get this http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-al8937
[12:32] <xiong> Good question, ForgeAus. Let me study this.
[12:32] <Peace-> xiong: no it's your system that has some kind of problem
[12:33] <Peace-> xiong: or yours color scheme
[12:33] <xcv_> xiong: in oxygen-settings you can make it draw a separator in the active window using the oxygen theme: window decorator -> detailed settings
[12:33] <xiong> You do know, there is no particular 'window decorator' section in the System Settings?
[12:33] <Peace-> as you can see here http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-tg8937
[12:34] <Peace-> xiong: desktop appearance
[12:34] <ForgeAus> there is both workspace appearance and application appearance
[12:34] <ForgeAus> application one does icon themes, widget styles, etc...
[12:34] <ForgeAus> workspace appearance does decorators
[12:34] <xiong> Okay, 'Workspace Appearance'. That I see.
[12:35] <ForgeAus> cursor theme
[12:35] <ForgeAus> etc
[12:35] <Peace-> xiong: yes
[12:35] <wielkifreeman> Peace - it is beautifull, thanks
[12:35] <xiong> Ah, that is *much* better.
[12:35] <xiong> Doesn't glow anymore, either.
[12:36] <ForgeAus> :)
[12:36] <xcv_> xiong: you may want to try this too: http://6g6.eu/sih0-screenshot62.png
[12:36] <Peace-> wielkifreeman:  that stuff is called plasma panel collection
[12:36] <Peace-> wielkifreeman: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=147589
[12:36] <xiong> Which will stop the bouncing cursor?
[12:37] <xiong> Sorry, xcv_; I can't read that language.
[12:37] <xcv_> xiong: the option is in the same place, though ;)
[12:37] <Peace-> xiong: .... system settings => applicatin and system notifications
[12:38] <Peace-> xiong: then http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-ds8937
[12:38] <Peace-> busy cursor
[12:38] <Peace-> ....
[12:39] <Peace-> wielkifreeman: then you should get this stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzEty1TYAE
[12:39] <xiong> Found it. Okay, that's the worst of it. I couldn't tolerate the defaults; they were interfering with my ability to set anything else, or even dig around for ways to change things.
[12:39] <xiong> Thanks xcv_, Peace-, ForgeAus.
[12:39] <ForgeAus> your welcome
[12:40] <xiong> Time for this puppy to hit the rack. Won't finish this task in a day.
[12:41] <ForgeAus> didn't oxygen air used to have interlinked roudned box watermarks in it?
[12:44]  * Peace- exit
[12:49] <ForgeAus> brb switching to konversation
[12:58] <georgelappies> I had to re install ubuntu due to all the crashes I got in kubuntu to that multi colored screen which required a hard reset of the laptop :(
[12:58] <georgelappies> having the OS crash every few minutes and not knowing why isn't fun
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:02] <BluesKaj> any updates/upgrades since the release , or is my repos server behind the curve ?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> georgelappies, could be your graphic driver
[13:06] <georgelappies> Hi BluesKaj, I tried multiple times with ATI proprietary and without. It worked perfectly in 11.10 so far "touch wood" no crashes in ubuntu
[13:10] <BluesKaj> georgelappies, odd , usually both desktops work well with the same drivers
[13:12] <georgelappies> But ubuntu uses lightdm and kubuntu uses kdm. maybe its kdm??
[13:13] <georgelappies> Thing is I tried looking for any log files that could give an indication of why, but to no avail. It is as though when it happens it freezes so fast that no logs have time to update
[13:16] <BluesKaj> hmm, one would think kwin would be the culprit
[13:18] <georgelappies> yip, it does look like that. The crashes I got during boot never happened in the period before X starts to initialize, always exactly at that point or after. Maybe its not kdm but something X doesn't like in kdm?? but yeah with no logs hard to tell
[13:18] <BluesKaj> georgelappies, kdm is working on a lot of ati equipped laptops
[13:27] <BluesKaj> BBL ...errands
[13:35] <matt_price> anybody there able to answer a question about activities?
[13:38] <gramaaaar> hello, i'm trying to install LanguageTool for libreoffice, but i'm getting the following error when adding the extension: http://i.imgur.com/mLjr3.png
[14:06] <evilwolverine> hi im new to ubuntu 11.10 ... is it better than Kubuntu ? what do u think?
[14:07] <EvilResistance> wrong place to ask that i think, evilwolverine...
[14:07] <EvilResistance> :P
[14:08] <EvilResistance> evilwolverine, KDE's a tiny bit more resource intensive in 11.10 than GNOME/Unity, but its prettier in my opinion
[14:08] <evilwolverine> u are all going to say kubuntu right? lol
[14:08] <Kalidarn> evilwolverine: neither are better they are however different
[14:08] <Kalidarn> evilwolverine: ive used both
[14:08] <EvilResistance> and what Kalidarn says is iaccurate
[14:08] <EvilResistance> neither is better than the other, but they're substantially different
[14:08] <Kalidarn> i do prever KDE at this point in time more feature rich
[14:08] <Kalidarn> EvilResistance: yeah that's what i meant
[14:08] <Kalidarn> lol
[14:09] <matt_price> Is anyone else having trouble renaming activities in 12.04?  I'm new to kubuntu, but can't find the settings for activities.
[14:09] <matt_price> I'd have expected to be albe to right-click on an activity in the activity manager.
[14:10] <evilwolverine> I want to forget about microsoft ... it was giving me so much trouble ... so I moved to opensource ... I like it so far.. I hope Office 2010 works fine in wine cuz thats the only thing I need from Microsoft for now
[14:12] <EvilResistance> !wine
[14:12] <EvilResistance> !AppDB
[14:13] <EvilResistance> check the appdb ;P
[14:13] <EvilResistance> it'll tell you for various programs whether it works well or not
[14:14] <evilwolverine> kool ... thanx! .. what do you for a living EvilResistance?  r u a programmer?
[14:14] <EvilResistance> !r
[14:14] <EvilResistance> ugh, you evil bot
[14:14] <EvilResistance> !u
[14:14] <EvilResistance> there we are
[14:15] <EvilResistance> evilwolverine, see that message from ubottu ;P
[14:16] <EvilResistance> and to answer your question, I'm an IT Security person :P
[14:18] <evilwolverine> ... awesome... how old r u ?? I want to continue my studies ... back home (Guatemala) I studied programming for 2 years
[14:18] <BluesKaj> evilwolverine, we're not here to discuss the merits of desktops , however if you have specific question about kubuntu other than an opinion about it , then please ask your question
[14:18] <evilwolverine> oh ... ok BluesKaj .. xD
[14:19] <evilwolverine> away I go now .... Ill get out of your hair xD ... :)
[14:20] <BluesKaj> evilwolverine, EvilResistance , your converstion can be continued in #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:54] <TheBuntu> was in mint 12.. installed kubuntu 12.04 last night.. Think this is ubuntu's best!! boot time faster.. apt-get faster.. smaller memory useage
[14:58] <spacetime|2> Hi
[15:02] <spacetime|2> maybe somebody can help me: I have installed kubuntu 12.04 and averything was OK. After the installation of kubuntu-restricted-extras I have a very tiny font. Is there a global font size setting ? I have not modify the character dimension in system setting
[15:02] <spacetime|2> (sorry for my bad english)
[15:03] <spacetime|2> Why this happened ?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> spacetime|2, kmenu>computer>system settings>application appearance>fonts
[15:05] <spacetime|2> BluesKaj: yes, I know that setting page but I haven't modify it. Probably there is another global font size setting
[15:05] <BluesKaj> spacetime|2, choose adjust all fonts
[15:06] <spacetime|2> mm sorry ma this is a workaround , not the real solution
[15:07] <spacetime|2> I wìsh understand why that pakage modify font size
[15:07] <BluesKaj> a workaround wouldn't be in the system settings ..if you want you open system settings with root permissions , if that's what you are complaining about  in terms of global
[15:09] <BluesKaj> spacetime|2, it probly increased your screen resolution , hence the smaller fonts
[15:10] <BluesKaj> one remedy is to increase the dpi as well
[15:11] <spacetime|2> thanks BluesKaj. Is known the cause of the font size alteration after installing that package?
[15:12] <spacetime|2> I am referring to kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:12] <WhitePelican> how do I enable multiple abs in kate?
[15:13] <WhitePelican> oops
[15:13] <WhitePelican> tabs*
[15:17] <spacetime|2> BluesKaj: thanks.. I have increased DPI to 96 and everythink look good
[15:17] <BluesKaj> spacetime|2, it may be that,  also other apps that affect screen resolution and X that you may have upgraded since installing 12.04
[15:19] <BluesKaj> spacetime|2, what's your screen resolution ?
[15:19] <spacetime|2> 1240x1024
[15:19] <spacetime|2> 1280 maybe ops
[15:20] <BluesKaj> ok , 96dpi is good
[15:22] <spacetime|2> tankyou again BluesKaj. I exit because I have to reboot the system...see you :)
[15:32] <benson> Guys i need to use ftp through terminal for file transfer but i get error as "clear text session are not allowed in this server" can somebody help me solving this issue please?
[15:32] <maco> try sftp
[15:35] <benson> maco: i think sftp has different syntax, could you please give an example?
[15:35] <maco> benson: sftp user@server, just like you'd ftp user@server
[15:36] <maco> benson: sftp is encrypted though
[15:39] <benson> maco: nothing s happening :( cursor is blinking below that line
[15:39] <maco> benson: it didnt ask for the user password?
[15:39] <maco> use "put" command to put something on the server and "get" or "mget" (depends on server config) to get something from it
[15:41] <benson> maco: nope, now i got an error message as "ssh : connect to host example.com port:22 connection timed out"
[15:41] <benson> maco: my hosting server doesnt support ssh actually
[15:42] <maco> benson: im confused then. i dont know how they want it not-clear-text but not ftp-over-ssh (sftp)
[15:42] <benson> maco: i had connected to the host through filezilla using ftpes://example.com and it worked fine
[15:43] <maco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS which is apparently that
[15:43] <maco> huh. hadnt come across that one before
[15:44] <benson> maco: yeah seems strange to me too :)
[15:44] <benson> maco: by the way thanks for guiding. bye
[15:44] <NJL> what needs to happen to get thunderbird to use the message indicator again after updating 12.04?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> NJL, I just installed the latest thunderbird and the message notifier in the panel works ok , if that's what you mean
[15:48] <NJL> BluesKaj: I'm using the version that comes with kubuntu
[15:48] <NJL> BluesKaj: should I get the last from mozilla's site?
[15:49] <NJL> BluesKaj: I'm talking about the message indicator (the little envelope)
[15:50] <BluesKaj> NJL, do you mean a widget ?
[15:50] <NJL> BluesKaj: yeah, I guess so?
[15:50] <NJL> heh
[15:51] <BluesKaj> NJL, I installed thunderbird from the repos
[15:51] <NJL> ok, same here
[15:51] <NJL> weird
[15:56] <BluesKaj> NJL, I don't recall a message indicator with thunderbird , this is the first I've used it in a long time
[15:57] <BluesKaj> got tired of webmail ads , so I decided to put a layer between me and webcommercials :)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:56] <kNewBot> hello
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[17:01] <EvilResistance> uh...
[17:17] <spacetime|2> hi
[17:22] <spacetime|2> On Kubuntu 12.04 which file contains the settings of the global parameters of the font and anti-aliasing? anyone know it ?
[17:30] <pascualhr> hi
[18:11] <Kottizen> thank you for this awesome operating system
[19:52] <xiong> Hmm. System Settings > Application Appearance > Style > Configure... >Tabs has a setting for 'Inactive Tabs Style'; the choices are 'Single' and 'Plain'. What does this do? I'm unable to see any change.
[20:13] <xiong> Okay. How about... I have the 'Laptop' Window Decorations set; I like it... but there seems to be no 'Menu' button available. Fix? Similar?
[20:24] <asfyxia> xiong, do I understand correctly that you chose the netbook configuration?
[20:24] <xiong> Um, no. I'm just looking for a set of Window Decorations I can live with.
[20:26] <xiong> This doesn't seem to be a one-off issue. I'm finding the Chrome set by scnd101 tolerable but it has no 'Help' button. I can probably live without that, more so than without the 'Menu' button. But it's annoying.
[20:26] <asfyxia> If you click on the 'cashew'-like launcher in the right upper corner, you can choose all kinds of widgets on your screen. Or do you mean something else?
[20:26] <xiong> I mean Window Decorations, for standard application windows.
[20:26] <xiong> I have not even dipped my toe into widgets.
[20:27] <asfyxia> you'll be surprised ;-)
[20:27] <xiong> Yah, maybe. This machine is antique and extremely underpowered. I'm looking to reduce the UI to something approaching Mac OS 9.
[20:28] <xiong> I want the bare minimum of chrome, everywhere.
[20:28] <xiong> I want big buttons, blatant, crude buttons, obvious everything.
[20:29] <asfyxia> Try Windows 8... No, that's a joke. What kind of specs does the machine have, GHz, RAM?
[20:30] <xiong> 2 GHz, single core, 1 MB. The HD is small and slow.
[20:30] <ForgeAus> low fat was too heavy?
[20:30] <xiong> My laptop died, this is an emergency machine.
[20:30] <xiong> No obvious way to make it work, ForgeAus.
[20:31] <xiong> Anything that requires me to throw out my entire setup is... extreme.
[20:31] <asfyxia> Kubuntu should run well on that, I have a netbook with 1.6 GHz and 1 MB RAM with Kubuntu...
[20:32] <xiong> I'm trying for incremental improvement. I have a font selection that's not too bad. 'Laptop', I like a lot; but how can I get the 'Menu' button to work in it? Or is there a similar Window Decorations?
[20:33] <xiong> I find it almost impossible to search for themes, or theme elements, or whatever you get. You see these tiny previews of entire desktops and, instead of informative descriptions, a lot of egotistical puffing and humble nodding.
[20:33] <xiong> 'This is my fourth version of this thing, with help from 1337 *******'
[20:35] <asfyxia> If you go to System Settings >> Application Appearance, you can try out a lot of stuff...
[20:35] <xiong> Nor is it easy to disentangle one sort of settings from another. Window Decorations only affect the *decorations* themselves, shape and to an extent, placement. But each tiny preview is in a different set of colors.
[20:35] <xiong> asfyxia: Yes. Same issues.
[20:35] <xiong> In any case, the current issue is Window Decorations.
[20:36] <xiong> Now when actually asked to choose Window Decorations, there is a straight-up preview, created locally, for each theme, yes? Can this be found externally, so I can search what's available without actually installing every theme?
[20:37] <xiong> I refer to this setting: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vbXu3-Qy7GE/Ts56pOrN5bI/AAAAAAAAG3o/IYFQWlKuHo4/s1600/kde-appmenu_5.png
[20:38] <asfyxia> http://kde-look.org , there is a lot of things
[20:38] <xiong> Now that makes sense; it's possible to compare different Window Decorations with one another.
[20:38]  * xiong looks
[20:39] <Belial`> damn xiong, that is some ugly font rendering.
[20:39] <xiong> Right. That kde-look is just like the totally useless settings-window previews.
[20:40] <xiong> All you can get from that is the wonderful wallpaper each guy thought was cool. You can't actually *see* any of the Window Decorations!
[20:40] <ForgeAus> no winelibs in wine anymore?
[20:41] <hynzo> hi every body
[20:42] <hynzo> does any one know what is wrong with the kubuntu web site ???????????
[20:43] <phunyguy> does anyone know how to specify that any window that is maximized should have all borders removed?
[20:43] <asfyxia> xiong, why don't you just change your windows settings, check your laptop on how it looks like, and when you don't like it just go back and change it in soemthing else - or just go back?
[20:45] <Standarshy> I'm having trouble with my it's an intel 4965abgn wireless card.  It works fine in windows.   It works super slowly to the point where it is nearly unuseable.
[20:47] <phunyguy> Standarshy: if you disconnect and reconnect, does it pop back to normal for a little while?
[20:47] <Standarshy> phunyguy, let me check
[20:48] <hynzo> heeeeho
[20:48] <hynzo> :/P
[20:49] <xiong> Sorry; had a system freeze. Probably caused by me banging hard on the case.
[20:49] <Standarshy> phunyguy, ps, it does the same thing with linuxmint kde and linuxming gnome
[20:50] <phunyguy> Standarshy: you didn't answer my question
[20:50] <phunyguy> :)
[20:51] <Standarshy> phunyguy, yes to your question.  It will work fast for like  one page right after i connect.  Then, it is really slow
[20:52] <phunyguy> i had the same issue for a little while but it seemed to go away with the latest kernel releases in 12.04
[20:52] <Standarshy> phunyguy, I'm running the live distro of kubuntu
[20:53] <Standarshy> and I'm having the problem
[20:53] <Standarshy> it's current, 12.04
[20:53] <phunyguy> yeah, sorry I can't help any further
[20:54] <Standarshy> hmm. Do you know of where I could seek further assistence?  Is there a new kernel upgrade that might fix it?
[20:54] <phunyguy> go to a terminal and type "uname -r"
[20:54] <phunyguy> tell me what it says
[20:56] <xiong> back
[20:58] <Standarshy> phunyguy, 3.2.0-23-generic
[20:58] <phunyguy> ahh, the newest is 3.2.0-24-generic
[20:58] <phunyguy> i gotta run
[20:58] <phunyguy> ttyl
[20:59] <Standarshy> thansk phunyguy , I'll try to upgrade
[20:59] <xiong> How is it even possible for people to create Window Decorations sets without a 'Help' button??
[20:59] <xiong> Or without a 'Menu' button?
[21:02] <xiong> Am I correct in thinking that all the 'aurorae' themes require some other installation and will demand extra resources?
[21:18] <akSeya> hi folks
[21:18] <Standarshy> hi akSeya
[21:18] <akSeya> i'm using import to take a screenshot from ssh, the problem is it is just taking the snapshot from the first monitor, the second on is just all black
[21:18] <akSeya> i'm running import -window root shot2.png
[21:19] <jimmy51> is there a known big bug upgrading to 12.04?
[21:19] <jimmy51> (from 11.10)
[21:19] <xiong> Ah, this may be a 12.04 issue. Where is the general panel settings now?
[21:19] <xiong> I want to control, say, the background color of panels.
[21:21] <xiong> I'm browsing now... I see only discussion of specific things, like adding things to panels or adjusting widths.
[21:23] <BluesKaj> anyone else using rekonq as the default , if so are java heavy sites like some online games very slow to load ?
[21:28] <xiong> Workplace Settings > Desktop Theme > Panel Background is not respected.
[21:29] <ArchangelSe7en> gotta go
[21:38] <xiong> Is there any way to fix any of this stuff??
[21:41] <mydogsnameisrudy> stuff ? what stuff
[21:42] <natman> Hi, At boot up on my laptop, the screen goes dark at the login screen, then if i type password in and hit enter, once the desktop appears normal screen brighness resumes - can anyone help?
[21:42] <xiong> mydogsnameisrudy: I don't feel as if I have effective control over the general operation.
[21:42] <xiong> I can't set things that I expect to be able to set easily. Case in point, the panel background.
[21:43] <xiong> I've struggled with the Window Decorations for so long, I've settled on what I've got.
[21:43] <xiong> Now I'm fussing with the panel clock. I see no 24 hour setting!
[21:44] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok well maybe work on one at a time i guess im not sure were to go with that
[21:45] <xiong> Yes, one at a time. Pick any one.
[21:46] <Standarshy> I'm having trouble with my it's an intel 4965abgn wireless card.  It works fine in windows.   It works super slowly to the point where it is nearly unuseable.colin, yes.   The strange thing is, the wireless works fast for about 5 seconds after I connect, then really slow.
[21:46] <xiong> Well, I won't do that again.
[21:47] <xiong> I can't seem to *move* widgets along the panel on which they're displayed.
[21:49] <xiong> All I can control is the ordering. They pack together as they please.
[21:49] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: you can move widgets in the panel after pressing the plasma icon on the edge of the panel
[21:50] <natman> Hi, At boot up on my laptop, the screen goes dark at the login screen, then if i type password in and hit enter, once the desktop appears normal screen brighness resumes - can anyone help?
[21:50] <xiong> phoenix_firebrd: I'm looking for arbitrary move. I said, I can control the ordering. I cannot control the location.
[21:51] <xiong> If I move, say, item A to the right of item B, then I will see the items BA. I cannot arbitrarily put, say, B              A.
[21:51] <xiong> I'm fiddling with spacers now.
[21:52] <ratts> phoenix_firebrd: Thanks for the tip I didn't know that either
[21:52] <phoenix_firebrd> ratts: yw
[21:52] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: are you using kde for the first time?
[21:53] <xiong> Not the first time but the first time seriously. I really did not like it the first time around. I've been using GNOME for years; but I'm not prepared to jump into the Unity whirlpool.
[21:54] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: As far as i know what you expect cannot be done normally, as you said you have to use some kind of spacer widget or something like that
[21:54] <xiong> I've decided to give K a good hard shot. I'd like to think that with enough work, I can configure out what's most objectionable to me; I may even like it.
[21:55] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: kde is very configurable. anyway welcome
[21:55] <xiong> I'm a technical person; I want lots of technical features. I want minimum eye candy.
[21:55] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: me too
[21:56] <xiong> I do not want a soft fuzzy blurry glow around all my icons. I want 24-hour time on the clock.
[21:56] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: have you tried lubuntu?
[21:56] <xiong> K may be highly configurable but it sure seems to lean toward the glowing icons and away from the 24-hr clock.
[21:56] <xiong> No, I have not tried Lubuntu.
[21:57] <xiong> I have tried Xfce; too minimal -- provides neither eye candy nor technical features.
[21:57] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: use "kubuntu low fat settings", it will make your system faster and disables all eye candy
[21:57] <xiong> That's been suggested. I have installed it. I have no idea how to turn it on.
[21:58] <xiong> There is no man page.
[21:58] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: you dont have to turn it on. the installation does the job
[21:58] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: hi
[21:59] <xiong> Yes well, you could have fooled me. Since that install, I've also accepted a general update and rebooted. Nothing obvious has changed -- not appearance nor responsiveness.
[22:00] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[22:00] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: have you disabled the options in oxygen-settings?
[22:00] <xiong> The simplest things are driving me up the wall. Here I am trying to get help in chat and every time I mouse over the chan topic, it balloons.
[22:00] <phoenix_firebrd> DoctorPepper: hi
[22:00] <xiong> phoenix_firebrd: Disabled which where?
[22:00] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: thats known
[22:01] <xiong> Yes well, eventually I'll get XChat installed.
[22:01] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: run oxygen-settings
[22:01] <DoctorPepper>  can anyone help me , i have a wierd issue with the global menu. basically i am running a kde session   , the menus get exported to the menubar panel though  in some gtk  such as gedit the menu gets exported but  also stay visible   on the application window  . for example the problem happens when i use gedit  but not  when i use gimp
[22:01]  * xiong tries that
[22:01] <natman> phoenix_firebrd:  hi
[22:01] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: can you help me?
[22:01] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: can you pastebin the systemlog ?
[22:01] <natman> ya 2 sec
[22:02] <DoctorPepper> this acctually  happens since i upgraded for 11.10 to 12.04
[22:02] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: where is that located?
[22:02] <xiong> Okay, phoenix_firebrd; I have been to that oxygen-settings via the System Settings GUI. What am I looking to turn off?
[22:03] <phoenix_firebrd> DoctorPepper: can you paste a screenshot here?
[22:03] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: /var/log/
[22:03] <xiong> I've already turned off animations. I can't even figure out what the difference is between Single and Plain Inactive tabs style.
[22:04] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: you can disable all those eye candy
[22:04] <xiong> Yes, I've done a lot of that already.
[22:04] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/958616/
[22:05] <xiong> I don't think most of this matters; I'm not using Oxygen window decorations anymore anyway. So no glow.
[22:06] <xiong> Ha. I clicked 'Apply' and rekonq crashed.
[22:07] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: good
[22:07] <xiong> Now I'm stuck downloading debugging symbols. And it's time for me to go to work. So, I guess we'll say I've made progress and leave it there.
[22:08] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: what happens when you boot in recovery mode? does the same happen?
[22:08] <xiong> Obviously I have to man up to the serious proposition that it may take several weeks, even months, to beat this machine into shape.
[22:08] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: never done it will try now and get back to you
[22:08] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: ok
[22:09] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: give some time and patience, you will love kde
[22:09] <xiong> Also that I may be begging for unnecessary pain. I'm short on cash and I was thrown back onto this emergency junker desktop when my laptop died. I may have to spend money I don't have on newer hardware.
[22:09] <xiong> Anyway, the longer I sit here and whine, the more I delay the earning of more cash. Thanks for the help; see you.
[22:10] <phoenix_firebrd> xiong: yw
[22:13] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: hey, just did recory mode, all was fine, it asked me if i wanted to resume normal boot i said yes, then booted perfect, now the mouse and some fonts are a little different
[22:14] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: actually it did warn me some gfx drivers need a full boot
[22:14] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: what is the username displayed in the kde menu top?
[22:15] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: when in recovery mode?
[22:15] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: not sure what you mean, im back to my desktop now
[22:15] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: ok
[22:16] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: so the problem occurs when booting in the normal mode. Are you using any graphics card?
[22:16] <natman> phoenix_firebrd:  not that i know of, its an intel core i5, so i think its integrated
[22:17] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: can you paste var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[22:19] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/958644/
[22:19] <UnwrittenCode_> does sabayon still include graphics drivers on the ISO?
[22:22] <nbca> Is it just me or is kubuntu.org down?
[22:23] <DoctorPepper> phoenix_firebrd:  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28jiqhg&s=6
[22:23] <natman> nbca: me too its seems
[22:25] <nbca> Are you reinstalling drupal or something :s?
[22:26] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: can you try this "sudo dpkg reconfigure kdm"?
[22:26] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: can you try this "sudo dpkg --reconfigure kdm"?
[22:26] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: which one :)
[22:26] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: can you try this "sudo dpkg --reconfigure kdm"?
[22:28] <phoenix_firebrd> DoctorPepper: the last time i tried the same happened for me, let me check again
[22:28] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: natman@orchid:~$ sudo dpkg --reconfigure kdm
[22:28] <natman> [sudo] password for natman:
[22:28] <natman> dpkg: error: unknown option --reconfigure
[22:28] <phoenix_firebrd> DoctorPepper: the last time i tried the same happened for me, let me check again
[22:28] <DoctorPepper> phoenix_firebrd: ok
[22:29] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: it just tells me thats an unknown option
[22:29] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: like what?
[22:29] <natman> dpkg: error: unknown option --reconfigure
[22:29] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: dpkg: error: unknown option --reconfigure
[22:31] <phoenix_firebrd> DoctorPepper: just checked, kde apps works fine
[22:31] <phoenix_firebrd> DoctorPepper: it may be a bug in gedit
[22:31] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: oh
[22:32] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: my mistake
[22:32] <natman> phoenix_firebrd:  np
[22:33] <phoenix_firebrd> natman:  try this "dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[22:33] <DoctorPepper> happens with emacs also  but it developement version of emacs 24
[22:33] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: try this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[22:34] <phoenix_firebrd> DoctorPepper: try kate
[22:34] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: ok done, no output, will i try a reboot?
[22:34] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: ya
[22:35] <DoctorPepper> i actually work with kate  gedit was just one  of many apps that have this issue  only when run under kde
[22:35] <phoenix_firebrd> DoctorPepper: so kate works well with global menu?
[22:37] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: nah, nothing still same issue
[22:38] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: then its not kdm, may be some display driver issue
[22:38] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: wait
[22:39] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: just noticed a load of my desktop effects no longer work, eg wobbly windows, looking glass,...
[22:40] <DoctorPepper> all kde  apps  work just fine  and most of the gtk one  i use work just fine  except for emacs-snapshot (dev version of emacs (24.0))
[22:41] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: what happens when you press Alt+Shift+F12
[22:41] <TimPlaz> managed to get in 1 game of "no limit Taxas Hold'm" & "Cribbage" on www.pogo.com using firefox and 12.04
[22:41] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: did nothing
[22:42] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: i tried turning all effects on and off in settings manager, did nothing just got the pop telling me certain effects could not be enabled ( they were fine an hour ago )
[22:43] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: goto settings -> user management
[22:44] <natman> phoenix_firebrd:  ok and?
[22:44] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: in the user accounts tab, double click on your user name
[22:44] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: goto previlages and groups tab
[22:45] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: on the right side see if videos is checked
[22:45] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: i mean video
[22:45] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: there is no "previlages and groups "tab
[22:46] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: there is a Groups tab, but nothing much there, nothing about video
[22:46] <DoctorPepper> natman:  from time to time  kde  tells that it couldnt enable some effect when  they actually are enabled .
[22:46] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: well i can see that wobbly windows no longer are working
[22:46] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: have you double clicked your user name?
[22:46] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: Im going to try a reboot
[22:46] <DoctorPepper> this happens to me  specially when i am  using an intel video card
[22:47] <linuxloony89> has anyone had any luck getting their iphone 4s working on 12.04?
[22:47] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: ok
[22:50] <phoenix_firebrd> DoctorPepper: is you 12.04 a fresh install or an upgrade?
[22:51] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: ok somehow effects are back, anyway still have original problem
[22:53] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: thinking
[22:58] <phoenix_firebrd> natman:  try this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[22:58] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: wait
[22:58] <ForgeAus> uh what java do I install to get browser plugins?
[22:58] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: before doing that backup your xorg.conf
[22:59] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: ok
[22:59] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: how do i do that?
[23:00] <phoenix_firebrd> natman:  "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak"
[23:00] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: cp: cannot stat `/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
[23:02] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: then just run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[23:02] <licensed> hello. my X didn't start on live cd/live usb =/
[23:02] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: will it screw my effects again?
[23:02] <licensed> i have gtx550
[23:02] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: i am not an oracle :)
[23:03] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: and a reboot?
[23:03] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: ya
[23:03] <licensed> i've checked crc (iso it's ok) and tried to burn dvd image and pendrive
[23:05] <phoenix_firebrd> licensed: any error messages?
[23:05] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: no difference, same issue, effects are still ok :)
[23:06] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: thats good
[23:06] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: any other ideas?
[23:06] <licensed> phoenix_firebrd, no. just flashing cursos on up left corner
[23:07] <licensed> phoenix_firebrd, on kubuntu older versions i used "safe graphics mode" but 12.04 didn't have this option
[23:07] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: rename the hidden folder named .kde in  your home directory to .kde_bak and try a reboot
[23:08] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: i did that before, another person had suggested it, made no diff
[23:09] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: did you change any grub display resolution?
[23:09] <phoenix_firebrd> licensed: that must be the issue
[23:09] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: no, its a fresh install , installed it yesterday
[23:10] <licensed> phoenix_firebrd, yes but what i have to do? i tried to use alternate cd.. install ok but grub didn't start
[23:10] <licensed> kubuntu 11.10 and older live starts ok
[23:11] <phoenix_firebrd> licensed: 12.04 has some issues with grub
[23:11] <licensed> phoenix_firebrd, live version too? os just alternate?
[23:13] <phoenix_firebrd> natman:  can you wait?
[23:13] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: how long?
[23:13] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: its grand, ill ask again another night, its not a huge issue
[23:13] <natman> phoenix_firebrd: thanks for al the help anyway
[23:13] <phoenix_firebrd> natman: ok
[23:15] <phoenix_firebrd> licensed: did you check the 12.04 known issues if your problem is listed there? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#Known_Issues
[23:19] <licensed> phoenix_firebrd, i've checked now. my problem isn't listed there.. i just want to use live cd
[23:20] <phoenix_firebrd> licensed: is the grub menu displayed on boot?
[23:21] <licensed> phoenix_firebrd, you mean cd menu? start kubuntu / test memory / boot from hard disk?
[23:22] <phoenix_firebrd> licensed: ya
[23:22] <licensed> phoenix_firebrd, wow! now i can start installer
[23:22] <licensed> phoenix_firebrd, i've selected all options on f6 (no apci blabla...) and now it's ok
[23:23] <phoenix_firebrd> licensed: can you pinpoint the particular option?
[23:23] <licensed> i checked all, man. i don't care which the option solved my problem.. i just want my computer back
[23:24] <phoenix_firebrd> licensed: enjoy
[23:24] <licensed> hehehe thank you for helping
[23:24] <phoenix_firebrd> licensed: yw
[23:24] <mingh1967> Can I use CD to upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04?
[23:25] <licensed> mingh1967, yes, when you put cd.. he detects you have update
[23:25] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: to upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04, you have to first upgrade to 11.10
[23:26] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#Upgrading_from_Kubuntu_10.04_LTS_to_Kubuntu_12.04_LTS
[23:26] <mingh1967> phoe: 10.04 LTS can go to 12.04 LTS
[23:27] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: press p and then tab  to get my name
[23:27] <mingh1967> lol
[23:27] <mingh1967> phoenix_firebrd, : ya I just got it.
[23:27] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: i cant understand what you mean by "10.04 LTS can go to 12.04 LTS"
[23:27] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: nice
[23:28] <mingh1967> phoenix_firebrd, :both 10.04 and 11.10 can be upgrade to 12.04.
[23:29] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: you can upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 straight but not from 10.04
[23:29] <mingh1967> phoenix_firebrd, :http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release
[23:30] <mingh1967> Getting Kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[23:30] <mingh1967>  Upgrading from Previous Versions
[23:30] <mingh1967> Direct upgrades to 12.04 are only possible from 10.04 LTS and 11.10.
[23:30] <mingh1967> Upgrade from 10.04 LTS
[23:30] <mingh1967> Upgrade from 11.10
[23:30] <FloodBotK1> mingh1967: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:31] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: wait
[23:31] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: oops , my mistake
[23:31] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: you can't paste lengthy text here , use paste.ubuntu.com
[23:31] <mingh1967> I just prefer using a CD to upgrade.  Instead of direct network upgrade
[23:31] <mingh1967> ya
[23:32] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: its possible
[23:33] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: you have to select the cd rom or dvd in the sources list
[23:33] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: i assume you are using kpackagekit?
[23:35] <mingh1967> phoenix_firebrd, :kpackagekit is the standard way I supppose...
[23:35] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: ya
[23:35] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: do you know the software sources option in kpackage kit?
[23:36] <mingh1967> phoenix_firebrd, :I think I can figuree out software source part.
[23:37] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: good, so that the way you can upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04. good luck
[23:37] <mingh1967> phoenix_firebrd, :thanks.
[23:38] <phoenix_firebrd> mingh1967: also disable other sources in that list. you are welcome
[23:58] <P-Chan> My kubuntu is hang on in interface only