| bkerensa | gnight all | 05:34 |
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| jono | night bkerensa | 05:41 |
| jussi | o/ | 06:05 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:25 |
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| czajkowski | aloha | 08:09 |
| daker | dholbach, good morning | 09:48 |
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| dholbach | hey daker | 10:00 |
| daker | dholbach, i need to fix this bug 991156 | 10:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 991156 in tzdata "Moroccan DST time change needs upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/991156 | 10:01 |
| dholbach | there seems to be an update available at http://www.iana.org/time-zones | 10:03 |
| dholbach | 2012c | 10:03 |
| dholbach | I'll ask around if somebody's on it - maybe that fixes it | 10:04 |
| daker | thanks ツ | 10:05 |
| dholbach | daker: yes, the change is included in 2012c | 10:07 |
| daker | mhall119, cjohnston https://plus.google.com/u/0/116572928700195690866/posts/Y8RsAtvxE5M | 10:14 |
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| daker | dholbach, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJw1K-iMRAM&feature=youtu.be | 10:32 |
| dholbach | daker: très bien! :) | 10:37 |
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| czajkowski | jcastro: ping when you're about re UDS LP clinic scheduling. | 11:59 |
| mhall119 | daker: cool, thanks | 13:24 |
| alourie | hello | 13:49 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: I was going to ask you about that.. Do you guys want it in Summit? | 14:00 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: yes please | 14:01 |
| czajkowski | between 2-3 on tuesday and thursday | 14:01 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: If you create the meetings in Summit, I'll get them scheduled | 14:01 |
| czajkowski | sure | 14:01 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: created | 14:04 |
| cjohnston | ty czajkowski | 14:05 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: can you create it twice from 2-3 tues & thursday and allocate a room ? | 14:06 |
| czajkowski | if so will that room change as I need to mail stakeholders about this | 14:06 |
| cjohnston | the only way the room would change is if the room I assigned it wasn't the right place for it | 14:07 |
| cjohnston | I'm just going to put it in a regular room though, so I don't see a reason there would be an issue | 14:08 |
| czajkowski | grand job thanks | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | can you let me know when its done so I can send mails | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | thanks | 14:09 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: during the plenaries? | 14:10 |
| czajkowski | yup | 14:11 |
| cjohnston | I can't put it during the plenaries afaik | 14:12 |
| cjohnston | the plenary locks all the rooms | 14:12 |
| czajkowski | ugh | 14:12 |
| czajkowski | the idea was it doesnt clash with other sessions and track leads as some of the the people in those want to attend this | 14:13 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: you saying that for sure now before I go and try and find out what way to mvoe this? | 14:30 |
| czajkowski | *move this | 14:30 |
| cjohnston | mhall119: ^ | 14:32 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: what are you asking me? | 14:35 |
| cjohnston | mhall119: afaik we can't schedule other meetings during the, plenary, is that correct? | 14:36 |
| mhall119 | correct | 14:37 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: ^ | 14:37 |
| czajkowski | ugh | 14:38 |
| czajkowski | thats rather annoying | 14:38 |
| czajkowski | ok | 14:38 |
| cjohnston | its by design | 14:40 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: also by design is its not very intuitive to sign up to sessions, doesn't make the design right :) | 14:41 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: actually that part isn't by design, it's from lack of design :) | 14:41 |
| mhall119 | we will make signing up for sessions easier in the future | 14:42 |
| czajkowski | six of one, half a dozen of the other :) | 14:42 |
| mhall119 | well, one will get fixed eventually, the other likely won't | 14:42 |
| czajkowski | guess we can always have the session, it just wont end up on the schedule | 14:42 |
| czajkowski | *shrugs* | 14:42 |
| mhall119 | yeah, that's the only way for now | 14:44 |
| czajkowski | :/ | 14:45 |
| czajkowski | not ideal either | 14:45 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: we know, but it is the best we can provide today | 14:46 |
| james_w | first I think we would have to stop calling them "plenaries" before changing summit :-) | 14:46 |
| cjohnston | +1 | 14:47 |
| cjohnston | james_w: any chance you have a few extra hours ;-) | 14:47 |
| james_w | before UDS? | 14:47 |
| cjohnston | before tonight | 14:47 |
| cjohnston | ? | 14:48 |
| cjohnston | heh | 14:48 |
| mhall119 | upboat: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/szs5h/the_importance_of_apps_in_ubuntu/ | 14:48 |
| cjohnston | upboat, upboat! | 14:48 |
| james_w | cjohnston, afraid not | 14:49 |
| cjohnston | ok | 14:49 |
| cprofitt | cjohnston: I like the look of the new summit... very nice. | 14:51 |
| cjohnston | ty | 14:51 |
| cprofitt | thanks to mhall119 as well... and anyone else that worked on it | 14:52 |
| mhall119 | cprofitt: mostly just cjohnston | 14:52 |
| cprofitt | I also like having the ability to 'attend this meeting' right on the sessions notes page | 14:53 |
| cjohnston | +1 | 14:55 |
| cjohnston | thats pretty awesome | 14:55 |
| cprofitt | Seems very intuitive... thought long time users may find it different... I think new users will find it easier | 14:56 |
| dholbach | oi jono! | 15:03 |
| jono | hey dholbach :-) | 15:04 |
| cprofitt | hey jono | 15:04 |
| jono | hey cprofitt | 15:04 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: we're gonna go with a regular session in stead | 15:05 |
| czajkowski | instead | 15:05 |
| cjohnston | ok | 15:05 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: gmb will poke to schedule | 15:05 |
| cjohnston | ok | 15:05 |
| cprofitt | cjohnston: I am almost through Monday and it is very easy to use the new summit... really liking this design. | 15:06 |
| cjohnston | ty | 15:06 |
| s-fox | jono, thanks for the follow up to my bug report. I will posts the results later when I finish work and have completed my run. | 15:06 |
| cprofitt | hey s-fox | 15:06 |
| s-fox | Hello cprofitt | 15:06 |
| nigelb | dholbach: I have something for you! https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan/status/196978362277830657/photo/1 | 15:09 |
| dholbach | NICE | 15:10 |
| dholbach | La Repubblica in Italy was very happy with 12.04 too: http://www.repubblica.it/tecnologia/2012/04/26/foto/ubuntu_12_04_il_formichere_meticoloso-33987528/1/ | 15:11 |
| mhall119 | cprofitt: have you tried it on a phone yet? | 15:11 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: btw, mobile layout looks pretty good on my DroidX | 15:11 |
| cprofitt | mhall119: I have not... but the single column on a phone would certainly be a vast improvement over the 'wide' style... | 15:12 |
| cprofitt | I will have to test it out later today | 15:12 |
| mhall119 | cprofitt: even better, cjohnston and aquarius have added mobile css | 15:12 |
| cprofitt | cool... | 15:13 |
| cprofitt | lots of hard work and effort... great job cjohnston!! | 15:13 |
| cjohnston | :-) | 15:13 |
| mhall119 | +1 | 15:21 |
| jono | s-fox, thanks! | 15:35 |
| jono | dholbach, sorry my call went longer than expected | 15:36 |
| dholbach | no worries | 15:37 |
| jono | dholbach, I am scheduled to hop on with dpm now | 15:37 |
| dholbach | he's not around | 15:37 |
| dholbach | holiday | 15:37 |
| jono | ahhh of course | 15:37 |
| jono | dholbach, ok to go now? | 15:37 |
| dholbach | sure | 15:37 |
| jono | dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/horsemen?authuser=0&hl=en&shxp=1&eid | 15:38 |
| jcastro | hey | 15:49 |
| jcastro | https://twitter.com/#!/doctorow/status/196989095992492035 | 15:49 |
| jcastro | WE HAVE ARRIVED. | 15:49 |
| greg-g | hah | 16:06 |
| jcastro | jono: ok I've got the bp's for the Qt folks in the system, I assume you're fine with those three sessions and slots? There's plenty of room | 16:07 |
| greg-g | jcastro: so, he's using unity 2d, not normal unity? | 16:07 |
| jcastro | not sure | 16:07 |
| jono | jcastro, yeah, sounds good | 16:08 |
| jcastro | jono: if you could approve/decline sessions today that would be swell | 16:08 |
| jono | jcastro, yeah, I am going to blitz through 'em when I am done with calls | 16:09 |
| jcastro | I've pinged the others, once we finish today we'll be in awesome shape | 16:10 |
| jcastro | does anyone know who Michael Schloh is? | 16:10 |
| cprofitt | jcastro: no | 16:12 |
| jono | jcastro, cool | 16:16 |
| s-fox | BRB | 16:19 |
| dholbach | alright my friends - time to call it a day | 16:23 |
| dholbach | have a great rest of yours and see you Wednesday | 16:23 |
| dholbach | tomorrow is a holiday in Germany | 16:24 |
| dholbach | bye :) | 16:24 |
| jono | awesome, the accomplishments lens is fully working :-) | 16:28 |
| daker | greg-g, https://twitter.com/#!/doctorow/status/196988805729894402 | 16:54 |
| jussi | jcastro: you about? | 16:54 |
| jcastro | yo | 16:55 |
| jussi | jcastro: did you find anyone else to volunteer to MC for mark? I have somethign clashing, but will cancel it if no one else is available | 16:55 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: I'm going to bug you too | 16:56 |
| jcastro | jussi: I still need someone | 16:56 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: shoot | 16:57 |
| jcastro | jussi: that's when, tomorrow? | 16:57 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: whats the story with roundtables this cycle? | 16:57 |
| jussi | jcastro: ok, Ill see who is available | 16:57 |
| jussi | jcastro: yeah, but let me see if I can source someone | 16:57 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: what do you mean? I dunno, it's up to each tracklead to make roundtables if they want. | 16:58 |
| jcastro | not sure if jono's doing them or not yet | 16:58 |
| jcastro | I assume yes | 16:58 |
| cjohnston | ok.. they don't exist yet and other stuff is filling up all the slots | 16:58 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: meetings are scheduled | 17:00 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: cheers thanks | 17:02 |
| greg-g | daker: yeah, I saw that, hence the question, just, I thought Unity 2D wasn't the full Unity experience (ie: you miss some of the actual features, not just whiz bang pretty) I could be wrong :) | 17:18 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Was under the impression that the goal was feature parity between Unity 2D and 3D. | 17:22 |
| greg-g | snap-l: /me shrugs | 17:22 |
| * greg-g uses gnome-shell, don't tell anyone | 17:22 | |
| snap-l | greg-g: That's it. We're breaking up. Give me back those records you borrowed. | 17:23 |
| greg-g | "And don't forget the black t-shirt" | 17:23 |
| snap-l | You'll find your things outside on the lawn. | 17:24 |
| snap-l | *sniff* | 17:24 |
| snap-l | ;) | 17:24 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: can you see http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/review/ | 17:31 |
| jcastro | oh cool, handy! | 17:31 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: thats ONLY for meetings made in summit | 17:32 |
| jcastro | oh | 17:32 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: I just sent out an email ref that and a question for leads | 17:32 |
| cjohnston | I'm going to start poking for that | 17:33 |
| jcastro | hey cjohnston | 17:59 |
| jcastro | so a.rosales should be able to see an edit button on the day view | 17:59 |
| jcastro | but he can't | 17:59 |
| jcastro | They've been added to the right lp group iirc | 17:59 |
| jcastro | whatever the scheduler group is in lp | 17:59 |
| s-fox | o/ | 18:00 |
| jcastro | or mhall119 ^^ | 18:00 |
| s-fox | jono, ran the commands you suggested. got a crash report. told it to submit a bug report. | 18:01 |
| jono | s-fox, you should do an upgrade of the packages in the PPA | 18:01 |
| jono | we have fixed some new things | 18:01 |
| jono | and I just tagged it for the 0.1 release | 18:01 |
| s-fox | jono, okay. i'll upgrade the packages. It would be good to see it do something :) | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: we don't use LP groups for summit schedulers, they are added on a per-summit basis | 18:05 |
| jcastro | ok | 18:05 |
| jcastro | can you add a.rosales please? | 18:05 |
| mhall119 | yup | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: done | 18:06 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: who is a.rosales | 18:15 |
| jcastro | antonio, he's one of robbie's managers | 18:16 |
| jussi | jcastro: djones is gonna mc for Mark :) | 18:22 |
| DJones | jcastro: Just mentioned to jussi that I'd be available to forward question for Mark's openweek session tomorrow night and he said to let you know I'd be able to do that | 18:24 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: giving a.rosales scheduler role means they can schedule any sessions, is that what you wanted? | 18:26 |
| mhall119 | meaning sesssions for any track | 18:26 |
| mhall119 | not just cloud and server | 18:26 |
| s-fox | jono, no real change :( Posted terminal output in the bug report via paste.ubuntu.com | 18:28 |
| jcastro | mhall119: that's fine | 18:34 |
| cjohnston | grr | 18:38 |
| balloons | cjohnston, another page to review :-) | 18:38 |
| cjohnston | balloons: your slacking.. you havn't replied! | 18:38 |
| balloons | yep.. total slacker | 18:39 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: "fine" meaning "That's what I intended all along" or meaning "It does at least as much as I wanted and I don't really care if it does more"? | 18:39 |
| jcastro | it's what I intended all along | 18:39 |
| jcastro | he's like a subtrack-lead | 18:39 |
| technoviking | jcastro: any word on SSO/Forums | 18:45 |
| technoviking | sorry to be a broken record | 18:45 |
| s-fox | o/ technoviking . How are things stateside? | 18:46 |
| jcastro | technoviking: ok so it's been escalated, and jono sent a new message to the council on friday | 18:47 |
| jcastro | jussi: ok sorry I was on calls | 18:48 |
| technoviking | s-fox: good, just finished moving all the University digital collections (10 OCR million pdfs and jpegs) to an Ubuntu server cluster | 18:49 |
| technoviking | jcastro and jono: many tanks | 18:49 |
| jussi | jcastro: ok, Ive tld DJones to talk to pleia2, but if youve anything to add, please let him know. | 18:49 |
| technoviking | s-fox: and my sons 14th birthday in two days | 18:49 |
| jcastro | jussi: ok so he'll be emceeing? | 18:49 |
| jussi | yep | 18:49 |
| jcastro | rock | 18:49 |
| DJones | o/ | 18:50 |
| s-fox | technoviking, i wouldn't envy that task :) I hope your family have fun for the birthday. | 18:50 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: sub-tack leads shouldn't have more scheduling ability than track leads | 18:52 |
| greg-g | technoviking: whoa, tell me more about the pdfs/jpegs/OCR | 18:52 |
| greg-g | technoviking: link is fine :) | 18:52 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: can we just make this person an additional track lead on cloud and server? | 18:53 |
| jcastro | mhall119: are trackleads limited to their track? | 18:53 |
| mhall119 | yes | 18:53 |
| jcastro | mhall119: yeah, that would be ideal | 18:53 |
| jcastro | to make him a cotracklead | 18:53 |
| technoviking | greg-g: all the newspapers written in Utah till 1968 have been scanned and OCR and are available on-line | 18:53 |
| greg-g | nice! | 18:54 |
| technoviking | http://digitalnewspapers.org/ | 18:54 |
| technoviking | and contentdm.lib.utah.edu | 18:54 |
| technoviking | I mean content.lib.utah.edu | 18:55 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: done | 18:55 |
| jcastro | <3 | 18:57 |
| balloons | cjohnston, I'm a bit confused why you want the "participation essential" to work differently between the two | 19:01 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: I can answer steve's mail if you want | 19:04 |
| balloons | jcastro, cjohnston I'm pretty much inline with Steve atm | 19:04 |
| jcastro | with which part? | 19:05 |
| balloons | all of it.. and some more | 19:05 |
| balloons | ;-) | 19:05 |
| balloons | my reply will be out in a min | 19:05 |
| balloons | educate me | 19:05 |
| bkerensa | Top of the morning to you all ;) | 19:06 |
| jcastro | ok so everyone but the track leads and marianna/msm/me should be filing blueprints | 19:06 |
| jcastro | not using the meeting thing | 19:06 |
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| jcastro | balloons: I'll let you send your response | 19:08 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: whats your reply | 19:08 |
| jcastro | I don't see what the problem is here | 19:09 |
| cjohnston | balloons: with participation essential people mess with the scheduler | 19:09 |
| cjohnston | and people who don't really have to be at a meeting mark themselves as having to | 19:09 |
| jcastro | 99% of attendees will be interacting with blueprints | 19:09 |
| cjohnston | which creates issues with scheduling | 19:09 |
| jcastro | not this meeting thing | 19:09 |
| cjohnston | we can turn off the meeting thing globally, but not individually | 19:09 |
| cjohnston | but this makes it to where we dont have to do the community-q-something stuff | 19:10 |
| cjohnston | reduces the # of errors | 19:10 |
| jcastro | huh? | 19:10 |
| cjohnston | hugly | 19:10 |
| cjohnston | hugely | 19:10 |
| jcastro | we make people do the naming convention right? | 19:10 |
| mhall119 | for blueprints, yes | 19:10 |
| jcastro | right | 19:10 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: I've been around for 4 years i think and haven't seen an entire summit where they have been | 19:10 |
| mhall119 | so that the launchpad import script knows what track to put them on | 19:10 |
| jcastro | right | 19:11 |
| jcastro | and we have instructions for that | 19:11 |
| jcastro | and the track leads enforce that with their submissions | 19:11 |
| mhall119 | yep, and fallible people following them | 19:11 |
| cjohnston | or someone changes a status and "why doesn't my meeting show up" | 19:11 |
| cjohnston | the people dont follow them | 19:11 |
| jcastro | then they go to the track lead | 19:11 |
| jcastro | ok so what's the problem we are trying to solve | 19:12 |
| cjohnston | who then goes to marianna/michelle who then goes to me | 19:12 |
| cjohnston | reduce user error | 19:12 |
| cjohnston | as well as not every meeting needs a blueprint | 19:12 |
| cjohnston | if you create blueprints afterwards, the naming convention doesnt matter | 19:12 |
| cjohnston | and you only create blueprints when you need them | 19:12 |
| cjohnston | i.e. if there are 4 meetings about one topic, you only need 1 bp | 19:13 |
| jcastro | ok so, right now, do we let any attendee schedule via this system? | 19:13 |
| balloons | jcastro, cjohnston I replied | 19:13 |
| cjohnston | any attendee can propose a meeting, just as they can propose a blueprint | 19:13 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: an attendee can part themselves at participating a session, they can't schedule anything | 19:14 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: ok so I would shut that off | 19:14 |
| mhall119 | s/part/mark/ | 19:14 |
| jcastro | the only people who even need this UI are track leads and admins | 19:14 |
| cjohnston | we dont have that ability right now | 19:14 |
| cjohnston | its all or nothing | 19:14 |
| jcastro | ok | 19:15 |
| jcastro | alright, so track leads should just decline and be like "file a blueprint." | 19:15 |
| jcastro | and people don't like that tough, we don't want people to not have BPs | 19:15 |
| cjohnston | then the TL is going to need to email each person who made one and tell them to make a BP | 19:15 |
| jcastro | then they'll just make Pony and Unicorn sessions taking up slots for no reason | 19:15 |
| jcastro | they don't need to mail each person | 19:16 |
| jcastro | just decline | 19:16 |
| jcastro | and when the person whines, we have instructions on how to file a real session | 19:16 |
| cjohnston | the person isn't going to know why it was declined | 19:16 |
| jcastro | sure they will, we sent the directions for attendees to -devel | 19:16 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: I just don't want people saying "oh well, this way is easier, screw blueprints I will just use this thing!" | 19:16 |
| jcastro | just because people are being lazy | 19:16 |
| cjohnston | blueprints will still be required for any sort of tracking | 19:17 |
| jcastro | right, so they should go there in the first place | 19:17 |
| jcastro | where is the UI for scheduling a meeting visible from? | 19:17 |
| cjohnston | define scheduling | 19:17 |
| cjohnston | moving it to the correct slot | 19:17 |
| cjohnston | proposing a meeting | 19:17 |
| cjohnston | ... | 19:17 |
| jcastro | no, the link that says "create a meeting", etc. | 19:17 |
| jcastro | are those visible to everyone or just people like me? | 19:17 |
| jcastro | like on the uds-q page | 19:18 |
| cjohnston | non-schedulers/leads see propose a meeting | 19:18 |
| jcastro | oh ok, so that's the problem right there, easy | 19:18 |
| jcastro | remove the link! :) | 19:18 |
| jcastro | people see the link and think that's the way to propose a session | 19:18 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: so how do you address the complaints that its too hard to get a meeting scheduled | 19:21 |
| cjohnston | g2g.. bbiab | 19:21 |
| jcastro | ok so the track leads have access to that | 19:21 |
| jcastro | and during UDS they go see michelle | 19:21 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: mhall119 ok I will respond to this, I think I know what they want | 19:25 |
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| jcastro | cjohnston: mhall119: It used to take me like 3 hours to schedule plenaries | 20:14 |
| jcastro | 10 minutes now | 20:14 |
| jcastro | I hear you all. | 20:14 |
| jcastro | I meant, I <3 you all | 20:14 |
| * cjohnston goes to remove the link like jcastro wants and decline all of the plenaries | 20:15 | |
| jcastro | sweet! | 20:15 |
| mhall119 | lol | 20:15 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: wait to see what the other track leads say | 20:15 |
| jussi | akgraner: you have a bronze star? wow! | 20:15 |
| jcastro | and then you can just send them a mail "here's the cheater schedule link" | 20:15 |
| balloons | jcastro, mhall119 cjohnston thanks for the education ;-) | 20:16 |
| jcastro | balloons: basically, yell at people | 20:16 |
| jcastro | if their BPs aren't in by like, tomorrow then they are behind | 20:16 |
| jcastro | you need to be a total brutal jerk | 20:16 |
| jcastro | and then their UDS will be smooth | 20:16 |
| balloons | jcastro, my issue is actually QA blueprints are in other tracks I'm finding | 20:17 |
| balloons | lots in other and foundations.. some other places maybe? | 20:17 |
| jcastro | yeah | 20:17 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: balloons one problem we have is that (and part of it is my fault) we are a week from UDS.. The Linaro leads who care follow Summit development follow it.. none of the UDS leads have.. | 20:17 |
| jcastro | balloons: I don't think you should change this now | 20:17 |
| cjohnston | I don't have a way to turn it off for a "set" of people | 20:17 |
| balloons | jcastro, why not? | 20:17 |
| jcastro | but it might be worth investigating a QA track be service oriented like they made the kernel track | 20:17 |
| balloons | is there a good definition for the intent of a track? | 20:18 |
| cjohnston | i could turn the link off for everyone and if a track lead has bookmarked the url for create a meeting they can use it | 20:18 |
| jcastro | balloons: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/tracks | 20:18 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: the track leads who care do. | 20:18 |
| jcastro | do you see any problems with any of the server/cloud sessions? NOPE. :) | 20:19 |
| cjohnston | this is the first feedback ive gotten | 20:19 |
| jcastro | well, balloons is new | 20:19 |
| jcastro | and steve assumes that all track leads run things the same way | 20:19 |
| cjohnston | I blame balloons for not creating a checkbox app for this | 20:20 |
| jcastro | he just doesn't realize that he wants to send a runner to michelle | 20:20 |
| jcastro | instead of open scheduling | 20:20 |
| jcastro | he just wasn't around when we tried that and UDS almost fell apart. | 20:20 |
| cjohnston | I remember some of those times where people just moved stuff | 20:20 |
| jcastro | yeah, entire rooms being wrong, etc. | 20:20 |
| jcastro | inconveniencing 5 people is the lesser evil | 20:20 |
| cjohnston | and thats why in the middle of the night you started removing access then just did rm -rf * | 20:20 |
| jcastro | and other than adhoc sessions if you square away your schedule before you even get to UDS, those should be rare issues. | 20:21 |
| cjohnston | yup | 20:21 |
| jcastro | seriously, we published the open scheduling thing like a month ago | 20:21 |
| cjohnston | and there is always a summit meeting.. attend it | 20:21 |
| cjohnston | heh | 20:21 |
| jcastro | if you show up on monday moring (DX did this all the time), then your UDS will suck | 20:21 |
| balloons | jcastro, what do you mean this is new? | 20:22 |
| balloons | cjohnston, summit is nice.. could you imagine life without it? | 20:22 |
| cjohnston | balloons: yes, I can.. | 20:22 |
| balloons | you can always remind them of the alternative.. hehe | 20:22 |
| cjohnston | I would sleep at night | 20:22 |
| jcastro | balloons: no I mean you're new, so it's natural for you to assume that scheduling things by hand as a track lead would work. | 20:22 |
| cjohnston | I can have a peacefull night | 20:22 |
| cjohnston | I would have hair again | 20:22 |
| balloons | ohh. no, no.. lol | 20:23 |
| cjohnston | My blueprints are 5 months old | 20:23 |
| balloons | I was just echoing some of his concerns | 20:23 |
| cjohnston | for this UDS | 20:23 |
| balloons | the auto-schedule is sane.. me being able to move beforehand has been nice | 20:23 |
| cjohnston | thats the way it is | 20:23 |
| balloons | basically it sounds like the "i am essential" button is just abused | 20:23 |
| jcastro | balloons: what you want to do is have it 90% done before you leave | 20:23 |
| cjohnston | yes | 20:23 |
| balloons | and everything else is just papering over it | 20:23 |
| jcastro | so when you show up at UDS you're doing exception handling, not scheduling | 20:24 |
| cjohnston | balloons: one thing to think about.. if you manually schedule a meeting, the autoscheduler will not move it again.. so this can create issues | 20:24 |
| cjohnston | if too many meetings get hand scheduled | 20:24 |
| balloons | cjohnston, :-( | 20:24 |
| balloons | that's sad | 20:24 |
| balloons | i did it will almost all of mine | 20:24 |
| balloons | they got clumped up on one day | 20:24 |
| cjohnston | right | 20:24 |
| balloons | not ideal for me | 20:24 |
| cjohnston | cause there are so few | 20:24 |
| cjohnston | that they are going it | 20:24 |
| cjohnston | the scheduler starts looking at monday at 9am | 20:25 |
| balloons | yea.. it was weird tho | 20:25 |
| balloons | it put them all on weds | 20:25 |
| balloons | despite space on the previous days | 20:25 |
| cjohnston | heh | 20:25 |
| jcastro | balloons: yeah so this is the evening out I talk about in that mail | 20:25 |
| jcastro | you want to open up all your days | 20:25 |
| jcastro | and even things out | 20:25 |
| cjohnston | maybe just peopple availability | 20:25 |
| jcastro | and if you do it nowish you'll be set | 20:25 |
| balloons | anyways.. they are evened out | 20:25 |
| balloons | have been since last week | 20:25 |
| jcastro | good good | 20:25 |
| * cjohnston goes to mess with balloons sessions | 20:26 | |
| balloons | but.. cjohnston says now they can't be autosechedled? | 20:26 |
| cjohnston | I'll put them all on Sunday | 20:26 |
| balloons | awesome! | 20:26 |
| balloons | i'll be set for the week then | 20:26 |
| cjohnston | once you manually schedule it, the autoscheduler wont touch them | 20:26 |
| cjohnston | because it assumes that you require it to be at that time in that room | 20:26 |
| balloons | let's do the KDE thing here cjohnston and make it optionally | 20:26 |
| cjohnston | I dont follow | 20:26 |
| * balloons grins | 20:26 | |
| balloons | lol.. I want to optional tell the autoscheduler to schedule or not | 20:27 |
| jcastro | no! | 20:27 |
| * balloons is joking | 20:27 | |
| cjohnston | move it or dont move it.. thats the option | 20:27 |
| balloons | my point is.. once I moved it, I can't undo it | 20:27 |
| balloons | correct? | 20:27 |
| balloons | so my sessions are all on manual mode now | 20:27 |
| balloons | well.. not all, but.. you get it | 20:27 |
| cjohnston | I think if you put it back in the bar it may go back to auto | 20:27 |
| balloons | ahh.. if I move to unscheduled, it will randomly re-assign | 20:28 |
| cjohnston | I think | 20:28 |
| cjohnston | do you have a meeting we can look at? | 20:28 |
| cjohnston | let me find it in the admin | 20:28 |
| cjohnston | then move it to the bar | 20:28 |
| cjohnston | and ill let you know what summit does in the back end? | 20:28 |
| cjohnston | not a bad thing to know | 20:28 |
| balloons | lol... my precious spots! | 20:28 |
| cjohnston | heh | 20:28 |
| akgraner | jussi - yeah - I thought I lost it in the fire but I found the certificate today and cleaned it up. :-) | 20:29 |
| balloons | cjohnston, jcastro yea.. I don't think I will have issues, but we'll see.. should be fun to see how things work out in practice.. it's just funny that if I manually set a session, and then later people mark as needing to be there it won't move it.. that's a bit sad | 20:30 |
| jcastro | I hate to sound cold | 20:30 |
| cjohnston | because it assumes that you need it at that time | 20:30 |
| balloons | it's a catch 22 you can't win.. if you restrict the autoschedule it can't do it's work for you | 20:30 |
| jcastro | but really, those people should have registered with LP a month ago | 20:30 |
| cjohnston | +1 | 20:31 |
| jcastro | with their information | 20:31 |
| jcastro | and then subscribe to their blueprints | 20:31 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: can we start making a big push at B2 or RC to do this? like weekly emails | 20:31 |
| balloons | jcastro, dream bug | 20:31 |
| balloons | *big | 20:31 |
| mhall119 | balloons: don't manually schedule things unless they need to be at a specific time or room | 20:31 |
| balloons | me manually scheduling things makes everything worse | 20:32 |
| mhall119 | manually scheduling almost always does | 20:32 |
| balloons | it would be best for everyone if no one had control ;-) | 20:32 |
| mhall119 | chaos, it's how we roll | 20:32 |
| * balloons for one welcomes my summit scheduling UDS overlord | 20:32 | |
| jcastro | cjohnston: like I said before, the track leads who care about it don't have problems | 20:32 |
| cjohnston | balloons: we tried that.. people get mad at that too | 20:33 |
| mhall119 | careful balloons, cjohnston *is* the summit scheduling overlord | 20:33 |
| balloons | cjohnston, I know.. because everyone is selfish and wants to be the master and have priority | 20:33 |
| balloons | if we are truly selfless, the auto scheduler will schedule the best possible schedule for the entire group.. but your schedule may suffer for it | 20:33 |
| balloons | no one wants to be that fall guy, so :-0 | 20:34 |
| balloons | and it all rolls back to people checking the must attend button for no reason :-) | 20:34 |
| balloons | btw, can I uncheck people as necessary to attend? | 20:35 |
| mhall119 | balloons: actually letting the autoscheduler do its job usually works out pretty well | 20:35 |
| * balloons notes that would be delightfully fun and evil | 20:35 | |
| cjohnston | balloons: if the meeting is created in summit yes.. lp i dont think so | 20:35 |
| balloons | ok, so I'm going to un-manually schedule all my meetings in an attempt to reset them to auto mode | 20:36 |
| balloons | I'll go big | 20:36 |
| balloons | cjohnston, care to watch and confirm this works? | 20:36 |
| cjohnston | balloons: lets start with one.. | 20:37 |
| jcastro | this will either be awesome | 20:37 |
| jcastro | or epic fail | 20:37 |
| cjohnston | pick one and give me the url please | 20:37 |
| * jcastro gets popcorn | 20:37 | |
| * balloons grabbing the screenshot or it didn't happen | 20:37 | |
| cjohnston | lol | 20:37 |
| balloons | cjohnston, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-q-qa-testing-cadence | 20:38 |
| cjohnston | ok.. ill tell you when to do it | 20:38 |
| cjohnston | 1 sec | 20:38 |
| cjohnston | ok | 20:39 |
| cjohnston | move it | 20:39 |
| balloons | k, moved into the grey bar | 20:40 |
| cjohnston | ok | 20:40 |
| cjohnston | ok.. | 20:40 |
| cjohnston | its no longer an agenda item | 20:40 |
| cjohnston | so it should reschedule | 20:40 |
| cjohnston | we will see | 20:40 |
| balloons | let's watch | 20:40 |
| balloons | maybe I'll get my spot back? :-) | 20:41 |
| cjohnston | lol | 20:41 |
| cjohnston | i think its 20ish minutes | 20:41 |
| pleia2 | jcastro: need to me take care of adding sessions to the calendar so classbot can pick them up? | 20:41 |
| * balloons comes up with master plan of resetting his meetings at 3 am after grabbing prime slots at beta2 during the cycle ;-0 | 20:41 | |
| jcastro | oh yes please, I ddin't even notice that. | 20:41 |
| pleia2 | jcastro: ok, I'll do that tonight | 20:42 |
| jcastro | <3 | 20:42 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: perfect example of a lack of following instructions https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-quantal-hwe-essential | 20:45 |
| cjohnston | I see at least 3 issues | 20:45 |
| cjohnston | hrm | 20:46 |
| * jcastro fixes | 20:46 | |
| cjohnston | looks like that is setup for status | 20:46 |
| cjohnston | hold on | 20:46 |
| cjohnston | ya.. | 20:46 |
| cjohnston | that is supposed to be a status.u.c setup | 20:46 |
| cjohnston | its a meeting in summit | 20:46 |
| cjohnston | theres a problem | 20:46 |
| cjohnston | heh | 20:46 |
| cjohnston | cause they made it a sprint | 20:47 |
| jcastro | k, let me whine at vanhoof | 20:48 |
| * cjohnston is going to send an email to MSM to make sure that all BP problems are directed at jcastro instead of cjohnston2 | 20:48 | |
| cjohnston | or cjohnston | 20:48 |
| jcastro | what? No | 20:49 |
| jcastro | scheduling problems go to track leads | 20:49 |
| jcastro | same as before | 20:49 |
| cjohnston | they always come to me because the track leads cant figure out why the BP isnt being scheduled | 20:49 |
| jcastro | which track lead? | 20:49 |
| cjohnston | "why isnt this meeting being imported" | 20:49 |
| cjohnston | i dunno... I get pinged my MSM | 20:50 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/certify-planning/+spec/cert-q-12.10coverage | 20:57 |
| cjohnston | there are a few of those | 20:57 |
| cjohnston | wrong names | 20:57 |
| balloons | cjohnston, it did move | 21:02 |
| balloons | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20465/qa-q-qa-testing-cadence/ | 21:02 |
| balloons | and I didn't get my spot back :-( | 21:02 |
| balloons | something else immeadiately took it | 21:03 |
| balloons | so, is there a way to know what i've turned off auto schedule? | 21:03 |
| balloons | I'd like to undo this faux pas | 21:03 |
| cjohnston | heh | 21:04 |
| cjohnston | you just want alot of work from me | 21:04 |
| cjohnston | huh | 21:04 |
| * balloons is trying to learn | 21:04 | |
| cjohnston | not without making mhall119 go through the admin area and looking | 21:05 |
| balloons | I am happy to be your model track lead cjohnston.. giving you only pleasant thoughts and dreams | 21:05 |
| cjohnston | bug mhall119 and you ill be | 21:05 |
| balloons | there's only like 4 or 5 I would have messed with | 21:05 |
| cjohnston | will be | 21:05 |
| cjohnston | can you give me some sort of something to look for | 21:06 |
| jcastro | <--- EOD, see yall in Oakland | 21:06 |
| cjohnston | qa-* | 21:06 |
| cjohnston | or something | 21:06 |
| * balloons waves at jcastro | 21:06 | |
| cjohnston | jcastro: not allowed | 21:06 |
| balloons | cjohnston, yes.. qa-q- | 21:06 |
| balloons | I can name them all | 21:06 |
| cjohnston | balloons: give me some time | 21:06 |
| balloons | they are all assigned to me also | 21:06 |
| balloons | I moved none of the others | 21:07 |
| balloons | cjohnston, thanks.. I appreciate all the info | 21:07 |
| cjohnston | qa-q-iso-testing-process | 21:09 |
| cjohnston | qa-q-isotracker-testcases | 21:10 |
| cjohnston | qa-q-community | 21:10 |
| cjohnston | qa-q-manual-app-testing | 21:10 |
| balloons | cjohnston, ok I'll move all those to the grey bar and watch the magic | 21:13 |
| cjohnston | :-) | 21:13 |
| balloons | done deal | 21:15 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: there are probably minimum of 8 blueprints that are wrong.. and thats just the names of the blueprints.. i didnt look for other issues... its quite error prone | 21:16 |
| jcastro | this is why I said the scheduler should use the launchpad APi for things proposed to the sprint instead of the actual name of the blueprint | 21:17 |
| cjohnston | how would that work with tracks? | 21:18 |
| jcastro | tracks in LP itself for sprints | 21:18 |
| cjohnston | good luck | 21:18 |
| cjohnston | maybe you can visit the launchpad clinic with that :-) | 21:19 |
| czajkowski | if the bug is on the wiki shouldnt be a problem | 21:22 |
| czajkowski | and gmb can help work on things | 21:22 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: see you in Atlanta | 21:32 |
| jono | jcastro, mhall119 around? | 22:03 |
| jono | anyone else want to test 0.1 of accomplishments? | 22:05 |
| daker_ | jono: me me me me | 22:08 |
| jono | daker :-) | 22:09 |
| jono | daker go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-accomplishments/+archive/releases/+packages | 22:09 |
| jono | and install all three packages | 22:09 |
| jono | daker have you playied with accomplishments before? | 22:09 |
| daker_ | no :) | 22:10 |
| daker_ | jono: ^ | 22:10 |
| jono | daker cool | 22:10 |
| jono | install all those packages and let me know when you are ready | 22:10 |
| daker_ | AWE, no packages for oneric :/ | 22:11 |
| jono | daker this requires 12.04 | 22:12 |
| daker_ | yeah i saw that | 22:13 |
| daker_ | no worries | 22:13 |
| jono | daker do you have 12.04? | 22:15 |
| daker_ | jono: 11.10 | 22:23 |
| balloons | jono, I can install ;-) | 22:24 |
| balloons | k, installed. | 22:26 |
| balloons | started, and boom.. got a crash dialog box | 22:26 |
| jono | one sec balloons | 22:26 |
| jono | we found a bug, I am revving it | 22:26 |
| balloons | crash was with twistd | 22:26 |
| jono | yup it is a logging issue | 22:27 |
| balloons | k -- you want this error -- dbusexception not provided by any .service files? | 22:27 |
| jono | balloons, looks like we found a last minute bug | 22:45 |
| jono | if the .cache/accomplishments/logs dir doesnt exist it bombs | 22:46 |
| jono | balloons, if you want to test in the meantime to the following: | 22:46 |
| jono | killall -9 twistd | 22:46 |
| jono | cd .cache | 22:46 |
| jono | mkdir accomplishments/logs | 22:46 |
| jono | cd .local/share | 22:46 |
| jono | rm -rf accomplishments | 22:46 |
| jono | and then run accomplishments-viewer | 22:46 |
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