[05:34] <bkerensa> gnight all
[05:41] <jono> night bkerensa
[06:05] <jussi> o/
[06:25] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:48] <daker> dholbach, good morning
[10:00] <dholbach> hey daker
[10:01] <daker> dholbach, i need to fix this bug 991156
[10:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 991156 in tzdata "Moroccan DST time change needs upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/991156
[10:03] <dholbach> there seems to be an update available at http://www.iana.org/time-zones
[10:03] <dholbach> 2012c
[10:04] <dholbach> I'll ask around if somebody's on it - maybe that fixes it
[10:05] <daker> thanks ツ
[10:07] <dholbach> daker: yes, the change is included in 2012c
[10:14] <daker> mhall119, cjohnston https://plus.google.com/u/0/116572928700195690866/posts/Y8RsAtvxE5M
[10:32] <daker> dholbach, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJw1K-iMRAM&feature=youtu.be
[10:37] <dholbach> daker: très bien! :)
[11:59] <czajkowski> jcastro: ping when you're about re UDS LP clinic scheduling.
[13:24] <mhall119> daker: cool, thanks
[13:49] <alourie> hello
[14:00] <cjohnston> czajkowski: I was going to ask you about that.. Do you guys want it in Summit?
[14:01] <czajkowski> cjohnston: yes please
[14:01] <czajkowski> between 2-3 on tuesday and thursday
[14:01] <cjohnston> czajkowski: If you create the meetings in Summit, I'll get them scheduled
[14:01] <czajkowski> sure
[14:04] <czajkowski> cjohnston: created
[14:05] <cjohnston> ty czajkowski
[14:06] <czajkowski> cjohnston: can you create it twice from 2-3 tues & thursday and allocate a room ?
[14:06] <czajkowski> if so will that room change as I need to mail stakeholders about this
[14:07] <cjohnston> the only way the room would change is if the room I assigned it wasn't the right place for it
[14:08] <cjohnston> I'm just going to put it in a regular room though, so I don't see a reason there would be an issue
[14:09] <czajkowski> grand job thanks
[14:09] <czajkowski> can you let me know when its done so I can send mails
[14:09] <czajkowski> thanks
[14:10] <cjohnston> czajkowski: during the plenaries?
[14:11] <czajkowski> yup
[14:12] <cjohnston> I can't put it during the plenaries afaik
[14:12] <cjohnston> the plenary locks all the rooms
[14:12] <czajkowski> ugh
[14:13] <czajkowski> the idea was it doesnt clash with other sessions and track leads as some of the the people in those want to attend this
[14:30] <czajkowski> cjohnston: you saying that for sure now before I go and try and find out what way to mvoe this?
[14:30] <czajkowski> *move this
[14:32] <cjohnston> mhall119: ^
[14:35] <mhall119> cjohnston: what are you asking me?
[14:36] <cjohnston> mhall119: afaik we can't schedule other meetings during the, plenary, is that correct?
[14:37] <mhall119> correct
[14:37] <cjohnston> czajkowski: ^
[14:38] <czajkowski> ugh
[14:38] <czajkowski> thats rather annoying
[14:38] <czajkowski> ok
[14:40] <cjohnston> its by design
[14:41] <czajkowski> cjohnston: also by design is its not very intuitive to sign up to sessions, doesn't make the design right :)
[14:41] <mhall119> czajkowski: actually that part isn't by design, it's from lack of design :)
[14:42] <mhall119> we will make signing up for sessions easier in the future
[14:42] <czajkowski> six of one, half a dozen of the other :)
[14:42] <mhall119> well, one will get fixed eventually, the other likely won't
[14:42] <czajkowski> guess we can always have the session, it just wont end up on the schedule
[14:42] <czajkowski> *shrugs*
[14:44] <mhall119> yeah, that's the only way for now
[14:45] <czajkowski> :/
[14:45] <czajkowski> not ideal either
[14:46] <mhall119> czajkowski: we know, but it is the best we can provide today
[14:46] <james_w> first I think we would have to stop calling them "plenaries" before changing summit :-)
[14:47] <cjohnston> +1
[14:47] <cjohnston> james_w: any chance you have a few extra hours ;-)
[14:47] <james_w> before UDS?
[14:47] <cjohnston> before tonight
[14:48] <cjohnston> ?
[14:48] <cjohnston> heh
[14:48] <mhall119> upboat: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/szs5h/the_importance_of_apps_in_ubuntu/
[14:48] <cjohnston> upboat, upboat!
[14:49] <james_w> cjohnston, afraid not
[14:49] <cjohnston> ok
[14:51] <cprofitt> cjohnston: I like the look of the new summit... very nice.
[14:51] <cjohnston> ty
[14:52] <cprofitt> thanks to mhall119 as well... and anyone else that worked on it
[14:52] <mhall119> cprofitt: mostly just cjohnston
[14:53] <cprofitt> I also like having the ability to 'attend this meeting' right on the sessions notes page
[14:55] <cjohnston> +1
[14:55] <cjohnston> thats pretty awesome
[14:56] <cprofitt> Seems very intuitive... thought long time users may find it different... I think new users will find it easier
[15:03] <dholbach> oi jono!
[15:04] <jono> hey dholbach :-)
[15:04] <cprofitt> hey jono
[15:04] <jono> hey cprofitt
[15:05] <czajkowski> cjohnston: we're gonna go with a regular session in stead
[15:05] <czajkowski> instead
[15:05] <cjohnston> ok
[15:05] <czajkowski> cjohnston: gmb will poke to schedule
[15:05] <cjohnston> ok
[15:06] <cprofitt> cjohnston: I am almost through Monday and it is very easy to use the new summit... really liking this design.
[15:06] <cjohnston> ty
[15:06] <s-fox> jono,  thanks for the follow up to my bug report. I will posts the results later when I finish work and have completed my run.
[15:06] <cprofitt> hey s-fox
[15:06] <s-fox> Hello cprofitt
[15:09] <nigelb> dholbach: I have something for you! https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan/status/196978362277830657/photo/1
[15:10] <dholbach> NICE
[15:11] <dholbach> La Repubblica in Italy was very happy with 12.04 too: http://www.repubblica.it/tecnologia/2012/04/26/foto/ubuntu_12_04_il_formichere_meticoloso-33987528/1/
[15:11] <mhall119> cprofitt: have you tried it on a phone yet?
[15:11] <mhall119> cjohnston: btw, mobile layout looks pretty good on my DroidX
[15:12] <cprofitt> mhall119: I have not... but the single column on a phone would certainly be a vast improvement over the 'wide' style...
[15:12] <cprofitt> I will have to test it out later today
[15:12] <mhall119> cprofitt: even better, cjohnston and aquarius have added mobile css
[15:13] <cprofitt> cool...
[15:13] <cprofitt> lots of hard work and effort... great job cjohnston!!
[15:13] <cjohnston> :-)
[15:21] <mhall119> +1
[15:35] <jono> s-fox, thanks!
[15:36] <jono> dholbach, sorry my call went longer than expected
[15:37] <dholbach> no worries
[15:37] <jono> dholbach, I am scheduled to hop on with dpm now
[15:37] <dholbach> he's not around
[15:37] <dholbach> holiday
[15:37] <jono> ahhh of course
[15:37] <jono> dholbach, ok to go now?
[15:37] <dholbach> sure
[15:38] <jono> dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/horsemen?authuser=0&hl=en&shxp=1&eid
[15:49] <jcastro> hey
[15:49] <jcastro> https://twitter.com/#!/doctorow/status/196989095992492035
[15:49] <jcastro> WE HAVE ARRIVED.
[16:06] <greg-g> hah
[16:07] <jcastro> jono: ok I've got the bp's for the Qt folks in the system, I assume you're fine with those three sessions and slots? There's plenty of room
[16:07] <greg-g> jcastro: so, he's using unity 2d, not normal unity?
[16:07] <jcastro> not sure
[16:08] <jono> jcastro, yeah, sounds good
[16:08] <jcastro> jono: if you could approve/decline sessions today that would be swell
[16:09] <jono> jcastro, yeah, I am going to blitz through 'em when I am done with calls
[16:10] <jcastro> I've pinged the others, once we finish today we'll be in awesome shape
[16:10] <jcastro> does anyone know who Michael Schloh is?
[16:12] <cprofitt> jcastro: no
[16:16] <jono> jcastro, cool
[16:19] <s-fox> BRB
[16:23] <dholbach> alright my friends - time to call it a day
[16:23] <dholbach> have a great rest of yours and see you Wednesday
[16:24] <dholbach> tomorrow is a holiday in Germany
[16:24] <dholbach> bye :)
[16:28] <jono> awesome, the accomplishments lens is fully working :-)
[16:54] <daker> greg-g, https://twitter.com/#!/doctorow/status/196988805729894402
[16:54] <jussi> jcastro: you about?
[16:55] <jcastro> yo
[16:55] <jussi> jcastro: did you find anyone else to volunteer to MC for mark?  I have somethign clashing, but will cancel it if no one else is available
[16:56] <cjohnston> jcastro: I'm going to bug you too
[16:56] <jcastro> jussi: I still need someone
[16:57] <jcastro> cjohnston: shoot
[16:57] <jcastro> jussi: that's when, tomorrow?
[16:57] <cjohnston> jcastro: whats the story with roundtables this cycle?
[16:57] <jussi> jcastro: ok, Ill see who is available
[16:57] <jussi> jcastro: yeah, but let me see if I can source someone
[16:58] <jcastro> cjohnston: what do you mean? I dunno, it's up to each tracklead to make roundtables if they want.
[16:58] <jcastro> not sure if jono's doing them or not yet
[16:58] <jcastro> I assume yes
[16:58] <cjohnston> ok.. they don't exist yet and other stuff is filling up all the slots
[17:00] <cjohnston> czajkowski: meetings are scheduled
[17:02] <czajkowski> cjohnston: cheers thanks
[17:18] <greg-g> daker: yeah, I saw that, hence the question, just, I thought Unity 2D wasn't the full Unity experience (ie: you miss some of the actual features, not just whiz bang pretty) I could be wrong :)
[17:22] <snap-l> greg-g: Was under the impression that the goal was feature parity between Unity 2D and 3D.
[17:22] <greg-g> snap-l: /me shrugs
[17:22]  * greg-g uses gnome-shell, don't tell anyone
[17:23] <snap-l> greg-g: That's it. We're breaking up. Give me back those records you borrowed.
[17:23] <greg-g> "And don't forget the black t-shirt"
[17:24] <snap-l> You'll find your things outside on the lawn.
[17:24] <snap-l> *sniff*
[17:24] <snap-l> ;)
[17:31] <cjohnston> jcastro: can you see http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/review/
[17:31] <jcastro> oh cool, handy!
[17:32] <cjohnston> jcastro: thats ONLY for meetings made in summit
[17:32] <jcastro> oh
[17:32] <cjohnston> jcastro: I just sent out an email ref that and a question for leads
[17:33] <cjohnston> I'm going to start poking for that
[17:59] <jcastro> hey cjohnston
[17:59] <jcastro> so a.rosales should be able to see an edit button on the day view
[17:59] <jcastro> but he can't
[17:59] <jcastro> They've been added to the right lp group iirc
[17:59] <jcastro> whatever the scheduler group is in lp
[18:00] <s-fox> o/
[18:00] <jcastro> or mhall119 ^^
[18:01] <s-fox> jono,  ran the commands you suggested. got a crash report. told it to submit a bug report.
[18:01] <jono> s-fox, you should do an upgrade of the packages in the PPA
[18:01] <jono> we have fixed some new things
[18:01] <jono> and I just tagged it for the 0.1 release
[18:04] <s-fox> jono,  okay. i'll upgrade the packages. It would be good to see it do something :)
[18:05] <mhall119> jcastro: we don't use LP groups for summit schedulers, they are added on a per-summit basis
[18:05] <jcastro> ok
[18:05] <jcastro> can you add a.rosales please?
[18:06] <mhall119> yup
[18:06] <mhall119> jcastro: done
[18:15] <cjohnston> jcastro: who is a.rosales
[18:16] <jcastro> antonio, he's one of robbie's managers
[18:22] <jussi> jcastro: djones is gonna mc for Mark :)
[18:24] <DJones> jcastro: Just mentioned to jussi that I'd be available to forward question for Mark's openweek session tomorrow night and he said to let you know I'd be able to do that
[18:26] <mhall119> jcastro: giving a.rosales scheduler role means they can schedule any sessions, is that what you wanted?
[18:26] <mhall119> meaning sesssions for any track
[18:26] <mhall119> not just cloud and server
[18:28] <s-fox> jono,  no real change :(  Posted terminal output in the bug report via paste.ubuntu.com
[18:34] <jcastro> mhall119: that's fine
[18:38] <cjohnston> grr
[18:38] <balloons> cjohnston, another page to review :-)
[18:38] <cjohnston> balloons: your slacking.. you havn't replied!
[18:39] <balloons> yep.. total slacker
[18:39] <mhall119> jcastro: "fine" meaning "That's what I intended all along" or meaning "It does at least as much as I wanted and I don't really care if it does more"?
[18:39] <jcastro> it's what I intended all along
[18:39] <jcastro> he's like a subtrack-lead
[18:45] <technoviking> jcastro: any word on SSO/Forums
[18:45] <technoviking> sorry to be a broken record
[18:46] <s-fox> o/ technoviking . How are things stateside?
[18:47] <jcastro> technoviking: ok so it's been escalated, and jono sent a new message to the council on friday
[18:48] <jcastro> jussi: ok sorry I was on calls
[18:49] <technoviking> s-fox: good, just finished moving all the University digital collections (10 OCR million pdfs and jpegs) to an Ubuntu server cluster
[18:49] <technoviking> jcastro and jono: many tanks
[18:49] <jussi> jcastro: ok, Ive tld DJones to talk to pleia2, but if youve anything to add, please let him know.
[18:49] <technoviking> s-fox: and my sons 14th birthday in two days
[18:49] <jcastro> jussi: ok so he'll be emceeing?
[18:49] <jussi> yep
[18:49] <jcastro> rock
[18:50] <DJones> o/
[18:50] <s-fox> technoviking,  i wouldn't envy that task :)  I hope your family have fun for the birthday.
[18:52] <mhall119> jcastro: sub-tack leads shouldn't have more scheduling ability than track leads
[18:52] <greg-g> technoviking: whoa, tell me more about the pdfs/jpegs/OCR
[18:52] <greg-g> technoviking: link is fine :)
[18:53] <mhall119> cjohnston: can we just make this person an additional track lead on cloud and server?
[18:53] <jcastro> mhall119: are trackleads limited to their track?
[18:53] <mhall119> yes
[18:53] <jcastro> mhall119: yeah, that would be ideal
[18:53] <jcastro> to make him a cotracklead
[18:53] <technoviking> greg-g: all the newspapers written in Utah till 1968 have been scanned and OCR and are available on-line
[18:54] <greg-g> nice!
[18:54] <technoviking> http://digitalnewspapers.org/
[18:54] <technoviking> and contentdm.lib.utah.edu
[18:55] <technoviking> I mean content.lib.utah.edu
[18:55] <mhall119> jcastro: done
[18:57] <jcastro> <3
[19:01] <balloons> cjohnston, I'm a bit confused why you want the "participation essential" to work differently between the two
[19:04] <jcastro> cjohnston: I can answer steve's mail if you want
[19:04] <balloons> jcastro, cjohnston I'm pretty much inline with Steve atm
[19:05] <jcastro> with which part?
[19:05] <balloons> all of it.. and some more
[19:05] <balloons> ;-)
[19:05] <balloons> my reply will be out in a min
[19:05] <balloons> educate me
[19:06] <bkerensa> Top of the morning to you all ;)
[19:06] <jcastro> ok so everyone but the track leads and marianna/msm/me should be filing blueprints
[19:06] <jcastro> not using the meeting thing
[19:08] <jcastro> balloons: I'll let you send your response
[19:08] <cjohnston> jcastro: whats your reply
[19:09] <jcastro> I don't see what the problem is here
[19:09] <cjohnston> balloons: with participation essential people mess with the scheduler
[19:09] <cjohnston> and people who don't really have to be at a meeting mark themselves as having to
[19:09] <jcastro> 99% of attendees will be interacting with blueprints
[19:09] <cjohnston> which creates issues with scheduling
[19:09] <jcastro> not this meeting thing
[19:09] <cjohnston> we can turn off the meeting thing globally, but not individually
[19:10] <cjohnston> but this makes it to where we dont have to do the community-q-something stuff
[19:10] <cjohnston> reduces the # of errors
[19:10] <jcastro> huh?
[19:10] <cjohnston> hugly
[19:10] <cjohnston> hugely
[19:10] <jcastro> we make people do the naming convention right?
[19:10] <mhall119> for blueprints, yes
[19:10] <jcastro> right
[19:10] <cjohnston> jcastro: I've been around for 4 years i think and haven't seen an entire summit where they have been
[19:10] <mhall119> so that the launchpad import script knows what track to put them on
[19:11] <jcastro> right
[19:11] <jcastro> and we have instructions for that
[19:11] <jcastro> and the track leads enforce that with their submissions
[19:11] <mhall119> yep, and fallible people following them
[19:11] <cjohnston> or someone changes a status and "why doesn't my meeting show up"
[19:11] <cjohnston> the people dont follow them
[19:11] <jcastro> then they go to the track lead
[19:12] <jcastro> ok so what's the problem we are trying to solve
[19:12] <cjohnston> who then goes to marianna/michelle who then goes to me
[19:12] <cjohnston> reduce user error
[19:12] <cjohnston> as well as not every meeting needs a blueprint
[19:12] <cjohnston> if you create blueprints afterwards, the naming convention doesnt matter
[19:12] <cjohnston> and you only create blueprints when you need them
[19:13] <cjohnston> i.e. if there are 4 meetings about one topic, you only need 1 bp
[19:13] <jcastro> ok so, right now, do we let any attendee schedule via this system?
[19:13] <balloons> jcastro, cjohnston I replied
[19:13] <cjohnston> any attendee can propose a meeting, just as they can propose a blueprint
[19:14] <mhall119> jcastro: an attendee can part themselves at participating a session, they can't schedule anything
[19:14] <jcastro> cjohnston: ok so I would shut that off
[19:14] <mhall119> s/part/mark/
[19:14] <jcastro> the only people who even need this UI are track leads and admins
[19:14] <cjohnston> we dont have that ability right now
[19:14] <cjohnston> its all or nothing
[19:15] <jcastro> ok
[19:15] <jcastro> alright, so track leads should just decline and be like "file a blueprint."
[19:15] <jcastro> and people don't like that tough, we don't want people to not have BPs
[19:15] <cjohnston> then the TL is going to need to email each person who made one and tell them to make a BP
[19:15] <jcastro> then they'll just make Pony and Unicorn sessions taking up slots for no reason
[19:16] <jcastro> they don't need to mail each person
[19:16] <jcastro> just decline
[19:16] <jcastro> and when the person whines, we have instructions on how to file a real session
[19:16] <cjohnston> the person isn't going to know why it was declined
[19:16] <jcastro> sure they will, we sent the directions for attendees to -devel
[19:16] <jcastro> cjohnston: I just don't want people saying "oh well, this way is easier, screw blueprints I will just use this thing!"
[19:16] <jcastro> just because people are being lazy
[19:17] <cjohnston> blueprints will still be required for any sort of tracking
[19:17] <jcastro> right, so they should go there in the first place
[19:17] <jcastro> where is the UI for scheduling a meeting visible from?
[19:17] <cjohnston> define scheduling
[19:17] <cjohnston> moving it to the correct slot
[19:17] <cjohnston> proposing a meeting
[19:17] <cjohnston> ...
[19:17] <jcastro> no, the link that says "create a meeting", etc.
[19:17] <jcastro> are those visible to everyone or just people like me?
[19:18] <jcastro> like on the uds-q page
[19:18] <cjohnston> non-schedulers/leads see propose a meeting
[19:18] <jcastro> oh ok, so that's the problem right there, easy
[19:18] <jcastro> remove the link! :)
[19:18] <jcastro> people see the link and think that's the way to propose a session
[19:21] <cjohnston> jcastro: so how do you address the complaints that its too hard to get a meeting scheduled
[19:21] <cjohnston> g2g.. bbiab
[19:21] <jcastro> ok so the track leads have access to that
[19:21] <jcastro> and during UDS they go see michelle
[19:25] <jcastro> cjohnston: mhall119 ok I will respond to this, I think I know what they want
[20:14] <jcastro> cjohnston: mhall119: It used to take me like 3 hours to schedule plenaries
[20:14] <jcastro> 10 minutes now
[20:14] <jcastro> I hear you all.
[20:14] <jcastro> I meant, I <3 you all
[20:15]  * cjohnston goes to remove the link like jcastro wants and decline all of the plenaries
[20:15] <jcastro> sweet!
[20:15] <mhall119> lol
[20:15] <jcastro> cjohnston: wait to see what the other track leads say
[20:15] <jussi> akgraner: you have a bronze star? wow!
[20:15] <jcastro> and then you can just send them a mail "here's the cheater schedule link"
[20:16] <balloons> jcastro, mhall119 cjohnston thanks for the education ;-)
[20:16] <jcastro> balloons: basically, yell at people
[20:16] <jcastro> if their BPs aren't in by like, tomorrow then they are behind
[20:16] <jcastro> you need to be a total brutal jerk
[20:16] <jcastro> and then their UDS will be smooth
[20:17] <balloons> jcastro, my issue is actually QA blueprints are in other tracks I'm finding
[20:17] <balloons> lots in other and foundations.. some other places maybe?
[20:17] <jcastro> yeah
[20:17] <cjohnston> jcastro: balloons one problem we have is that (and part of it is my fault) we are a week from UDS.. The Linaro leads who care follow Summit development follow it.. none of the UDS leads have..
[20:17] <jcastro> balloons: I don't think you should change this now
[20:17] <cjohnston> I don't have a way to turn it off for a "set" of people
[20:17] <balloons> jcastro, why not?
[20:17] <jcastro> but it might be worth investigating a QA track be service oriented like they made the kernel track
[20:18] <balloons> is there a good definition for the intent of a track?
[20:18] <cjohnston> i could turn the link off for everyone and if a track lead has bookmarked the  url for create a meeting they can use it
[20:18] <jcastro> balloons: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/tracks
[20:18] <jcastro> cjohnston: the track leads who care do.
[20:19] <jcastro> do you see any problems with any of the server/cloud sessions? NOPE. :)
[20:19] <cjohnston> this is the first feedback ive gotten
[20:19] <jcastro> well, balloons is new
[20:19] <jcastro> and steve assumes that all track leads run things the same way
[20:20] <cjohnston> I blame balloons for not creating a checkbox app for this
[20:20] <jcastro> he just doesn't realize that he wants to send a runner to michelle
[20:20] <jcastro> instead of open scheduling
[20:20] <jcastro> he just wasn't around when we tried that and UDS almost fell apart.
[20:20] <cjohnston> I remember some of those times where people just moved stuff
[20:20] <jcastro> yeah, entire rooms being wrong, etc.
[20:20] <jcastro> inconveniencing 5 people is the lesser evil
[20:20] <cjohnston> and thats why in the middle of the night you started removing access then just did rm -rf *
[20:21] <jcastro> and other than adhoc sessions if you square away your schedule before you even get to UDS, those should be rare issues.
[20:21] <cjohnston> yup
[20:21] <jcastro> seriously, we published the open scheduling thing like a month ago
[20:21] <cjohnston> and there is always a summit meeting.. attend it
[20:21] <cjohnston> heh
[20:21] <jcastro> if you show up on monday moring (DX did this all the time), then your UDS will suck
[20:22] <balloons> jcastro, what do you mean this is new?
[20:22] <balloons> cjohnston, summit is nice.. could you imagine life without it?
[20:22] <cjohnston> balloons: yes, I can..
[20:22] <balloons> you can always remind them of the alternative.. hehe
[20:22] <cjohnston> I would sleep at night
[20:22] <jcastro> balloons: no I mean you're new, so it's natural for you to assume that scheduling things by hand as a track lead would work.
[20:22] <cjohnston> I can have a peacefull night
[20:22] <cjohnston> I would have hair again
[20:23] <balloons> ohh. no, no.. lol
[20:23] <cjohnston> My blueprints are 5 months old
[20:23] <balloons> I was just echoing some of his concerns
[20:23] <cjohnston> for this UDS
[20:23] <balloons> the auto-schedule is sane.. me being able to move beforehand has been nice
[20:23] <cjohnston> thats the way it is
[20:23] <balloons> basically it sounds like the "i am essential" button is just abused
[20:23] <jcastro> balloons: what you want to do is have it 90% done before you leave
[20:23] <cjohnston> yes
[20:23] <balloons> and everything else is just papering over it
[20:24] <jcastro> so when you show up at UDS you're doing exception handling, not scheduling
[20:24] <cjohnston> balloons: one thing to think about.. if you manually schedule a meeting, the autoscheduler will not move it again.. so this can create issues
[20:24] <cjohnston> if too many meetings get hand scheduled
[20:24] <balloons> cjohnston, :-(
[20:24] <balloons> that's sad
[20:24] <balloons> i did it will almost all of mine
[20:24] <balloons> they got clumped up on one day
[20:24] <cjohnston> right
[20:24] <balloons> not ideal for me
[20:24] <cjohnston> cause there are so few
[20:24] <cjohnston> that they are going it
[20:25] <cjohnston> the scheduler starts looking at monday at 9am
[20:25] <balloons> yea.. it was weird tho
[20:25] <balloons> it put them all on weds
[20:25] <balloons> despite space on the previous days
[20:25] <cjohnston> heh
[20:25] <jcastro> balloons: yeah so this is the evening out I talk about in that mail
[20:25] <jcastro> you want to open up all your days
[20:25] <jcastro> and even things out
[20:25] <cjohnston> maybe just peopple availability
[20:25] <jcastro> and if you do it nowish you'll be set
[20:25] <balloons> anyways.. they are evened out
[20:25] <balloons> have been since last week
[20:25] <jcastro> good good
[20:26]  * cjohnston goes to mess with balloons sessions
[20:26] <balloons> but.. cjohnston says now they can't be autosechedled?
[20:26] <cjohnston> I'll put them all on Sunday
[20:26] <balloons> awesome!
[20:26] <balloons> i'll be set for the week then
[20:26] <cjohnston> once you manually schedule it, the autoscheduler wont touch them
[20:26] <cjohnston> because it assumes that you require it to be at that time in that room
[20:26] <balloons> let's do the KDE thing here cjohnston and make it optionally
[20:26] <cjohnston> I dont follow
[20:26]  * balloons grins
[20:27] <balloons> lol.. I want to optional tell the autoscheduler to schedule or not
[20:27] <jcastro> no!
[20:27]  * balloons is joking
[20:27] <cjohnston> move it or dont move it.. thats the option
[20:27] <balloons> my point is.. once I moved it, I can't undo it
[20:27] <balloons> correct?
[20:27] <balloons> so my sessions are all on manual mode now
[20:27] <balloons> well.. not all, but.. you get it
[20:27] <cjohnston> I think if you put it back in the bar it may go back to auto
[20:28] <balloons> ahh.. if I move to unscheduled, it will randomly re-assign
[20:28] <cjohnston> I think
[20:28] <cjohnston> do you have a meeting we can look at?
[20:28] <cjohnston> let me find it in the admin
[20:28] <cjohnston> then move it to the bar
[20:28] <cjohnston> and ill let you know what summit does in the back end?
[20:28] <cjohnston> not a bad thing to know
[20:28] <balloons> lol... my precious spots!
[20:28] <cjohnston> heh
[20:29] <akgraner> jussi - yeah - I thought I lost it in the fire but I found the certificate today and cleaned it up. :-)
[20:30] <balloons> cjohnston, jcastro yea.. I don't think I will have issues, but we'll see.. should be fun to see how things work out in practice.. it's just funny that if I manually set a session, and then later people mark as needing to be there it won't move it.. that's a bit sad
[20:30] <jcastro> I hate to sound cold
[20:30] <cjohnston> because it assumes that you need it at that time
[20:30] <balloons> it's a catch 22 you can't win.. if you restrict the autoschedule it can't do it's work for you
[20:30] <jcastro> but really, those people should have registered with LP a month ago
[20:31] <cjohnston> +1
[20:31] <jcastro> with their information
[20:31] <jcastro> and then subscribe to their blueprints
[20:31] <cjohnston> jcastro: can we start making a big push at B2 or RC to do this? like weekly emails
[20:31] <balloons> jcastro, dream bug
[20:31] <balloons> *big
[20:31] <mhall119> balloons: don't manually schedule things unless they need to be at a specific time or room
[20:32] <balloons> me manually scheduling things makes everything worse
[20:32] <mhall119> manually scheduling almost always does
[20:32] <balloons> it would be best for everyone if no one had control ;-)
[20:32] <mhall119> chaos, it's how we roll
[20:32]  * balloons for one welcomes my summit scheduling UDS overlord
[20:32] <jcastro> cjohnston: like I said before, the track leads who care about it don't have problems
[20:33] <cjohnston> balloons: we tried that.. people get mad at that too
[20:33] <mhall119> careful balloons, cjohnston *is* the summit scheduling overlord
[20:33] <balloons> cjohnston, I know.. because everyone is selfish and wants to be the master and have priority
[20:33] <balloons> if we are truly selfless, the auto scheduler will schedule the best possible schedule for the entire group.. but your schedule may suffer for it
[20:34] <balloons> no one wants to be that fall guy, so :-0
[20:34] <balloons> and it all rolls back to people checking the must attend button for no reason :-)
[20:35] <balloons> btw, can I uncheck people as necessary to attend?
[20:35] <mhall119> balloons: actually letting the autoscheduler do its job usually works out pretty well
[20:35]  * balloons notes that would be delightfully fun and evil
[20:35] <cjohnston> balloons: if the meeting is created in summit yes.. lp i dont think so
[20:36] <balloons> ok, so I'm going to un-manually schedule all my meetings in an attempt to reset them to auto mode
[20:36] <balloons> I'll go big
[20:36] <balloons> cjohnston, care to watch and confirm this works?
[20:37] <cjohnston> balloons: lets start with one..
[20:37] <jcastro> this will either be awesome
[20:37] <jcastro> or epic fail
[20:37] <cjohnston> pick one and give me the url please
[20:37]  * jcastro gets popcorn
[20:37]  * balloons grabbing the screenshot or it didn't happen
[20:37] <cjohnston> lol
[20:38] <balloons> cjohnston, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-q-qa-testing-cadence
[20:38] <cjohnston> ok.. ill tell you when to do it
[20:38] <cjohnston> 1 sec
[20:39] <cjohnston> ok
[20:39] <cjohnston> move it
[20:40] <balloons> k, moved into the grey bar
[20:40] <cjohnston> ok
[20:40] <cjohnston> ok..
[20:40] <cjohnston> its no longer an agenda item
[20:40] <cjohnston> so it should reschedule
[20:40] <cjohnston> we will see
[20:40] <balloons> let's watch
[20:41] <balloons> maybe I'll get my spot back? :-)
[20:41] <cjohnston> lol
[20:41] <cjohnston> i think its 20ish minutes
[20:41] <pleia2> jcastro: need to me take care of adding sessions to the calendar so classbot can pick them up?
[20:41]  * balloons comes up with master plan of resetting his meetings at 3 am after grabbing prime slots at beta2 during the cycle ;-0
[20:41] <jcastro> oh yes please, I ddin't even notice that.
[20:42] <pleia2> jcastro: ok, I'll do that tonight
[20:42] <jcastro> <3
[20:45] <cjohnston> jcastro: perfect example of a lack of following instructions https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-quantal-hwe-essential
[20:45] <cjohnston> I see at least 3 issues
[20:46] <cjohnston> hrm
[20:46]  * jcastro fixes
[20:46] <cjohnston> looks like that is setup for status
[20:46] <cjohnston> hold on
[20:46] <cjohnston> ya..
[20:46] <cjohnston> that is supposed to be a status.u.c setup
[20:46] <cjohnston> its a meeting in summit
[20:46] <cjohnston> theres a problem
[20:46] <cjohnston> heh
[20:47] <cjohnston> cause they made it a sprint
[20:48] <jcastro> k, let me whine at vanhoof
[20:48]  * cjohnston is going to send an email to MSM to make sure that all BP problems are directed at jcastro instead of cjohnston2 
[20:48] <cjohnston> or cjohnston
[20:49] <jcastro> what? No
[20:49] <jcastro> scheduling problems go to track leads
[20:49] <jcastro> same as before
[20:49] <cjohnston> they always come to me because the track leads cant figure out why the BP isnt being scheduled
[20:49] <jcastro> which track lead?
[20:49] <cjohnston> "why isnt this meeting being imported"
[20:50] <cjohnston> i dunno... I get pinged my MSM
[20:57] <cjohnston> jcastro: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/certify-planning/+spec/cert-q-12.10coverage
[20:57] <cjohnston> there are a few of those
[20:57] <cjohnston> wrong names
[21:02] <balloons> cjohnston, it did move
[21:02] <balloons> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20465/qa-q-qa-testing-cadence/
[21:02] <balloons> and I didn't get my spot back :-(
[21:03] <balloons> something else immeadiately took it
[21:03] <balloons> so, is there a way to know what i've turned off auto schedule?
[21:03] <balloons> I'd like to undo this faux pas
[21:04] <cjohnston> heh
[21:04] <cjohnston> you just want alot of work from me
[21:04] <cjohnston> huh
[21:04]  * balloons is trying to learn
[21:05] <cjohnston> not without making mhall119 go through the admin area and looking
[21:05] <balloons> I am happy to be your model track lead cjohnston.. giving you only pleasant thoughts and dreams
[21:05] <cjohnston> bug mhall119 and you ill be
[21:05] <balloons> there's only like 4 or 5 I would have messed with
[21:05] <cjohnston> will be
[21:06] <cjohnston> can you give me some sort of something to look for
[21:06] <jcastro> <--- EOD, see yall in Oakland
[21:06] <cjohnston> qa-*
[21:06] <cjohnston> or something
[21:06]  * balloons waves at jcastro 
[21:06] <cjohnston> jcastro: not allowed
[21:06] <balloons> cjohnston, yes.. qa-q-
[21:06] <balloons> I can name them all
[21:06] <cjohnston> balloons: give me some time
[21:06] <balloons> they are all assigned to me also
[21:07] <balloons> I moved none of the others
[21:07] <balloons> cjohnston, thanks.. I appreciate all the info
[21:09] <cjohnston> qa-q-iso-testing-process
[21:10] <cjohnston> qa-q-isotracker-testcases
[21:10] <cjohnston> qa-q-community
[21:10] <cjohnston> qa-q-manual-app-testing
[21:13] <balloons> cjohnston, ok I'll move all those to the grey bar and watch the magic
[21:13] <cjohnston> :-)
[21:15] <balloons> done deal
[21:16] <cjohnston> jcastro: there are probably minimum of 8 blueprints that are wrong.. and thats just the names of the blueprints.. i didnt look for other issues... its quite error prone
[21:17] <jcastro> this is why I said the scheduler should use the launchpad APi for things proposed to the sprint instead of the actual name of the blueprint
[21:18] <cjohnston> how would that work with tracks?
[21:18] <jcastro> tracks in LP itself for sprints
[21:18] <cjohnston> good luck
[21:19] <cjohnston> maybe you can visit the launchpad clinic with that :-)
[21:22] <czajkowski> if the bug is on the wiki shouldnt be a problem
[21:22] <czajkowski> and gmb can help work on things
[21:32] <mhall119> jcastro: see you in Atlanta
[22:03] <jono> jcastro, mhall119 around?
[22:05] <jono> anyone else want to test 0.1 of accomplishments?
[22:08] <daker_> jono: me me me me
[22:09] <jono> daker :-)
[22:09] <jono> daker go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-accomplishments/+archive/releases/+packages
[22:09] <jono> and install all three packages
[22:09] <jono> daker have you playied with accomplishments before?
[22:10] <daker_> no :)
[22:10] <daker_> jono: ^
[22:10] <jono> daker cool
[22:10] <jono> install all those packages and let me know when you are ready
[22:11] <daker_> AWE, no packages for oneric :/
[22:12] <jono> daker this requires 12.04
[22:13] <daker_> yeah i saw that
[22:13] <daker_> no worries
[22:15] <jono> daker do you have 12.04?
[22:23] <daker_> jono: 11.10
[22:24] <balloons> jono, I can install ;-)
[22:26] <balloons> k, installed.
[22:26] <balloons> started, and boom.. got a crash dialog box
[22:26] <jono> one sec balloons
[22:26] <jono> we found a bug, I am revving it
[22:26] <balloons> crash was with twistd
[22:27] <jono> yup it is a logging issue
[22:27] <balloons> k -- you want this error -- dbusexception not provided by any .service files?
[22:45] <jono> balloons, looks like we found a last minute bug
[22:46] <jono> if the .cache/accomplishments/logs dir doesnt exist it bombs
[22:46] <jono> balloons, if you want to test in the meantime to the following:
[22:46] <jono> killall -9 twistd
[22:46] <jono> cd .cache
[22:46] <jono> mkdir accomplishments/logs
[22:46] <jono> cd .local/share
[22:46] <jono> rm -rf accomplishments
[22:46] <jono> and then run accomplishments-viewer