[05:34] gnight all [05:41] night bkerensa [06:05] o/ [06:25] good morning === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [08:09] aloha [09:48] dholbach, good morning === daker__ is now known as daker === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [10:00] hey daker [10:01] dholbach, i need to fix this bug 991156 [10:01] Launchpad bug 991156 in tzdata "Moroccan DST time change needs upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/991156 [10:03] there seems to be an update available at http://www.iana.org/time-zones [10:03] 2012c [10:04] I'll ask around if somebody's on it - maybe that fixes it [10:05] thanks ツ [10:07] daker: yes, the change is included in 2012c [10:14] mhall119, cjohnston https://plus.google.com/u/0/116572928700195690866/posts/Y8RsAtvxE5M === MrBadWiki is now known as MrChrisDruif [10:32] dholbach, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJw1K-iMRAM&feature=youtu.be [10:37] daker: très bien! :) === jacky is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jacky [11:59] jcastro: ping when you're about re UDS LP clinic scheduling. [13:24] daker: cool, thanks [13:49] hello [14:00] czajkowski: I was going to ask you about that.. Do you guys want it in Summit? [14:01] cjohnston: yes please [14:01] between 2-3 on tuesday and thursday [14:01] czajkowski: If you create the meetings in Summit, I'll get them scheduled [14:01] sure [14:04] cjohnston: created [14:05] ty czajkowski [14:06] cjohnston: can you create it twice from 2-3 tues & thursday and allocate a room ? [14:06] if so will that room change as I need to mail stakeholders about this [14:07] the only way the room would change is if the room I assigned it wasn't the right place for it [14:08] I'm just going to put it in a regular room though, so I don't see a reason there would be an issue [14:09] grand job thanks [14:09] can you let me know when its done so I can send mails [14:09] thanks [14:10] czajkowski: during the plenaries? [14:11] yup [14:12] I can't put it during the plenaries afaik [14:12] the plenary locks all the rooms [14:12] ugh [14:13] the idea was it doesnt clash with other sessions and track leads as some of the the people in those want to attend this [14:30] cjohnston: you saying that for sure now before I go and try and find out what way to mvoe this? [14:30] *move this [14:32] mhall119: ^ [14:35] cjohnston: what are you asking me? [14:36] mhall119: afaik we can't schedule other meetings during the, plenary, is that correct? [14:37] correct [14:37] czajkowski: ^ [14:38] ugh [14:38] thats rather annoying [14:38] ok [14:40] its by design [14:41] cjohnston: also by design is its not very intuitive to sign up to sessions, doesn't make the design right :) [14:41] czajkowski: actually that part isn't by design, it's from lack of design :) [14:42] we will make signing up for sessions easier in the future [14:42] six of one, half a dozen of the other :) [14:42] well, one will get fixed eventually, the other likely won't [14:42] guess we can always have the session, it just wont end up on the schedule [14:42] *shrugs* [14:44] yeah, that's the only way for now [14:45] :/ [14:45] not ideal either [14:46] czajkowski: we know, but it is the best we can provide today [14:46] first I think we would have to stop calling them "plenaries" before changing summit :-) [14:47] +1 [14:47] james_w: any chance you have a few extra hours ;-) [14:47] before UDS? [14:47] before tonight [14:48] ? [14:48] heh [14:48] upboat: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/szs5h/the_importance_of_apps_in_ubuntu/ [14:48] upboat, upboat! [14:49] cjohnston, afraid not [14:49] ok [14:51] cjohnston: I like the look of the new summit... very nice. [14:51] ty [14:52] thanks to mhall119 as well... and anyone else that worked on it [14:52] cprofitt: mostly just cjohnston [14:53] I also like having the ability to 'attend this meeting' right on the sessions notes page [14:55] +1 [14:55] thats pretty awesome [14:56] Seems very intuitive... thought long time users may find it different... I think new users will find it easier [15:03] oi jono! [15:04] hey dholbach :-) [15:04] hey jono [15:04] hey cprofitt [15:05] cjohnston: we're gonna go with a regular session in stead [15:05] instead [15:05] ok [15:05] cjohnston: gmb will poke to schedule [15:05] ok [15:06] cjohnston: I am almost through Monday and it is very easy to use the new summit... really liking this design. [15:06] ty [15:06] jono, thanks for the follow up to my bug report. I will posts the results later when I finish work and have completed my run. [15:06] hey s-fox [15:06] Hello cprofitt [15:09] dholbach: I have something for you! https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan/status/196978362277830657/photo/1 [15:10] NICE [15:11] La Repubblica in Italy was very happy with 12.04 too: http://www.repubblica.it/tecnologia/2012/04/26/foto/ubuntu_12_04_il_formichere_meticoloso-33987528/1/ [15:11] cprofitt: have you tried it on a phone yet? [15:11] cjohnston: btw, mobile layout looks pretty good on my DroidX [15:12] mhall119: I have not... but the single column on a phone would certainly be a vast improvement over the 'wide' style... [15:12] I will have to test it out later today [15:12] cprofitt: even better, cjohnston and aquarius have added mobile css [15:13] cool... [15:13] lots of hard work and effort... great job cjohnston!! [15:13] :-) [15:21] +1 [15:35] s-fox, thanks! [15:36] dholbach, sorry my call went longer than expected [15:37] no worries [15:37] dholbach, I am scheduled to hop on with dpm now [15:37] he's not around [15:37] holiday [15:37] ahhh of course [15:37] dholbach, ok to go now? [15:37] sure [15:38] dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/horsemen?authuser=0&hl=en&shxp=1&eid [15:49] hey [15:49] https://twitter.com/#!/doctorow/status/196989095992492035 [15:49] WE HAVE ARRIVED. [16:06] hah [16:07] jono: ok I've got the bp's for the Qt folks in the system, I assume you're fine with those three sessions and slots? There's plenty of room [16:07] jcastro: so, he's using unity 2d, not normal unity? [16:07] not sure [16:08] jcastro, yeah, sounds good [16:08] jono: if you could approve/decline sessions today that would be swell [16:09] jcastro, yeah, I am going to blitz through 'em when I am done with calls [16:10] I've pinged the others, once we finish today we'll be in awesome shape [16:10] does anyone know who Michael Schloh is? [16:12] jcastro: no [16:16] jcastro, cool [16:19] BRB [16:23] alright my friends - time to call it a day [16:23] have a great rest of yours and see you Wednesday [16:24] tomorrow is a holiday in Germany [16:24] bye :) [16:28] awesome, the accomplishments lens is fully working :-) [16:54] greg-g, https://twitter.com/#!/doctorow/status/196988805729894402 [16:54] jcastro: you about? [16:55] yo [16:55] jcastro: did you find anyone else to volunteer to MC for mark? I have somethign clashing, but will cancel it if no one else is available [16:56] jcastro: I'm going to bug you too [16:56] jussi: I still need someone [16:57] cjohnston: shoot [16:57] jussi: that's when, tomorrow? [16:57] jcastro: whats the story with roundtables this cycle? [16:57] jcastro: ok, Ill see who is available [16:57] jcastro: yeah, but let me see if I can source someone [16:58] cjohnston: what do you mean? I dunno, it's up to each tracklead to make roundtables if they want. [16:58] not sure if jono's doing them or not yet [16:58] I assume yes [16:58] ok.. they don't exist yet and other stuff is filling up all the slots [17:00] czajkowski: meetings are scheduled [17:02] cjohnston: cheers thanks [17:18] daker: yeah, I saw that, hence the question, just, I thought Unity 2D wasn't the full Unity experience (ie: you miss some of the actual features, not just whiz bang pretty) I could be wrong :) [17:22] greg-g: Was under the impression that the goal was feature parity between Unity 2D and 3D. [17:22] snap-l: /me shrugs [17:22] * greg-g uses gnome-shell, don't tell anyone [17:23] greg-g: That's it. We're breaking up. Give me back those records you borrowed. [17:23] "And don't forget the black t-shirt" [17:24] You'll find your things outside on the lawn. [17:24] *sniff* [17:24] ;) [17:31] jcastro: can you see http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/review/ [17:31] oh cool, handy! [17:32] jcastro: thats ONLY for meetings made in summit [17:32] oh [17:32] jcastro: I just sent out an email ref that and a question for leads [17:33] I'm going to start poking for that [17:59] hey cjohnston [17:59] so a.rosales should be able to see an edit button on the day view [17:59] but he can't [17:59] They've been added to the right lp group iirc [17:59] whatever the scheduler group is in lp [18:00] o/ [18:00] or mhall119 ^^ [18:01] jono, ran the commands you suggested. got a crash report. told it to submit a bug report. [18:01] s-fox, you should do an upgrade of the packages in the PPA [18:01] we have fixed some new things [18:01] and I just tagged it for the 0.1 release [18:04] jono, okay. i'll upgrade the packages. It would be good to see it do something :) [18:05] jcastro: we don't use LP groups for summit schedulers, they are added on a per-summit basis [18:05] ok [18:05] can you add a.rosales please? [18:06] yup [18:06] jcastro: done [18:15] jcastro: who is a.rosales [18:16] antonio, he's one of robbie's managers [18:22] jcastro: djones is gonna mc for Mark :) [18:24] jcastro: Just mentioned to jussi that I'd be available to forward question for Mark's openweek session tomorrow night and he said to let you know I'd be able to do that [18:26] jcastro: giving a.rosales scheduler role means they can schedule any sessions, is that what you wanted? [18:26] meaning sesssions for any track [18:26] not just cloud and server [18:28] jono, no real change :( Posted terminal output in the bug report via paste.ubuntu.com [18:34] mhall119: that's fine [18:38] grr [18:38] cjohnston, another page to review :-) [18:38] balloons: your slacking.. you havn't replied! [18:39] yep.. total slacker [18:39] jcastro: "fine" meaning "That's what I intended all along" or meaning "It does at least as much as I wanted and I don't really care if it does more"? [18:39] it's what I intended all along [18:39] he's like a subtrack-lead [18:45] jcastro: any word on SSO/Forums [18:45] sorry to be a broken record [18:46] o/ technoviking . How are things stateside? [18:47] technoviking: ok so it's been escalated, and jono sent a new message to the council on friday [18:48] jussi: ok sorry I was on calls [18:49] s-fox: good, just finished moving all the University digital collections (10 OCR million pdfs and jpegs) to an Ubuntu server cluster [18:49] jcastro and jono: many tanks [18:49] jcastro: ok, Ive tld DJones to talk to pleia2, but if youve anything to add, please let him know. [18:49] s-fox: and my sons 14th birthday in two days [18:49] jussi: ok so he'll be emceeing? [18:49] yep [18:49] rock [18:50] o/ [18:50] technoviking, i wouldn't envy that task :) I hope your family have fun for the birthday. [18:52] jcastro: sub-tack leads shouldn't have more scheduling ability than track leads [18:52] technoviking: whoa, tell me more about the pdfs/jpegs/OCR [18:52] technoviking: link is fine :) [18:53] cjohnston: can we just make this person an additional track lead on cloud and server? [18:53] mhall119: are trackleads limited to their track? [18:53] yes [18:53] mhall119: yeah, that would be ideal [18:53] to make him a cotracklead [18:53] greg-g: all the newspapers written in Utah till 1968 have been scanned and OCR and are available on-line [18:54] nice! [18:54] http://digitalnewspapers.org/ [18:54] and contentdm.lib.utah.edu [18:55] I mean content.lib.utah.edu [18:55] jcastro: done [18:57] <3 [19:01] cjohnston, I'm a bit confused why you want the "participation essential" to work differently between the two [19:04] cjohnston: I can answer steve's mail if you want [19:04] jcastro, cjohnston I'm pretty much inline with Steve atm [19:05] with which part? [19:05] all of it.. and some more [19:05] ;-) [19:05] my reply will be out in a min [19:05] educate me [19:06] Top of the morning to you all ;) [19:06] ok so everyone but the track leads and marianna/msm/me should be filing blueprints [19:06] not using the meeting thing === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as M0hi [19:08] balloons: I'll let you send your response [19:08] jcastro: whats your reply [19:09] I don't see what the problem is here [19:09] balloons: with participation essential people mess with the scheduler [19:09] and people who don't really have to be at a meeting mark themselves as having to [19:09] 99% of attendees will be interacting with blueprints [19:09] which creates issues with scheduling [19:09] not this meeting thing [19:09] we can turn off the meeting thing globally, but not individually [19:10] but this makes it to where we dont have to do the community-q-something stuff [19:10] reduces the # of errors [19:10] huh? [19:10] hugly [19:10] hugely [19:10] we make people do the naming convention right? [19:10] for blueprints, yes [19:10] right [19:10] jcastro: I've been around for 4 years i think and haven't seen an entire summit where they have been [19:10] so that the launchpad import script knows what track to put them on [19:11] right [19:11] and we have instructions for that [19:11] and the track leads enforce that with their submissions [19:11] yep, and fallible people following them [19:11] or someone changes a status and "why doesn't my meeting show up" [19:11] the people dont follow them [19:11] then they go to the track lead [19:12] ok so what's the problem we are trying to solve [19:12] who then goes to marianna/michelle who then goes to me [19:12] reduce user error [19:12] as well as not every meeting needs a blueprint [19:12] if you create blueprints afterwards, the naming convention doesnt matter [19:12] and you only create blueprints when you need them [19:13] i.e. if there are 4 meetings about one topic, you only need 1 bp [19:13] ok so, right now, do we let any attendee schedule via this system? [19:13] jcastro, cjohnston I replied [19:13] any attendee can propose a meeting, just as they can propose a blueprint [19:14] jcastro: an attendee can part themselves at participating a session, they can't schedule anything [19:14] cjohnston: ok so I would shut that off [19:14] s/part/mark/ [19:14] the only people who even need this UI are track leads and admins [19:14] we dont have that ability right now [19:14] its all or nothing [19:15] ok [19:15] alright, so track leads should just decline and be like "file a blueprint." [19:15] and people don't like that tough, we don't want people to not have BPs [19:15] then the TL is going to need to email each person who made one and tell them to make a BP [19:15] then they'll just make Pony and Unicorn sessions taking up slots for no reason [19:16] they don't need to mail each person [19:16] just decline [19:16] and when the person whines, we have instructions on how to file a real session [19:16] the person isn't going to know why it was declined [19:16] sure they will, we sent the directions for attendees to -devel [19:16] cjohnston: I just don't want people saying "oh well, this way is easier, screw blueprints I will just use this thing!" [19:16] just because people are being lazy [19:17] blueprints will still be required for any sort of tracking [19:17] right, so they should go there in the first place [19:17] where is the UI for scheduling a meeting visible from? [19:17] define scheduling [19:17] moving it to the correct slot [19:17] proposing a meeting [19:17] ... [19:17] no, the link that says "create a meeting", etc. [19:17] are those visible to everyone or just people like me? [19:18] like on the uds-q page [19:18] non-schedulers/leads see propose a meeting [19:18] oh ok, so that's the problem right there, easy [19:18] remove the link! :) [19:18] people see the link and think that's the way to propose a session [19:21] jcastro: so how do you address the complaints that its too hard to get a meeting scheduled [19:21] g2g.. bbiab [19:21] ok so the track leads have access to that [19:21] and during UDS they go see michelle [19:25] cjohnston: mhall119 ok I will respond to this, I think I know what they want === M0hi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [20:14] cjohnston: mhall119: It used to take me like 3 hours to schedule plenaries [20:14] 10 minutes now [20:14] I hear you all. [20:14] I meant, I <3 you all [20:15] * cjohnston goes to remove the link like jcastro wants and decline all of the plenaries [20:15] sweet! [20:15] lol [20:15] cjohnston: wait to see what the other track leads say [20:15] akgraner: you have a bronze star? wow! [20:15] and then you can just send them a mail "here's the cheater schedule link" [20:16] jcastro, mhall119 cjohnston thanks for the education ;-) [20:16] balloons: basically, yell at people [20:16] if their BPs aren't in by like, tomorrow then they are behind [20:16] you need to be a total brutal jerk [20:16] and then their UDS will be smooth [20:17] jcastro, my issue is actually QA blueprints are in other tracks I'm finding [20:17] lots in other and foundations.. some other places maybe? [20:17] yeah [20:17] jcastro: balloons one problem we have is that (and part of it is my fault) we are a week from UDS.. The Linaro leads who care follow Summit development follow it.. none of the UDS leads have.. [20:17] balloons: I don't think you should change this now [20:17] I don't have a way to turn it off for a "set" of people [20:17] jcastro, why not? [20:17] but it might be worth investigating a QA track be service oriented like they made the kernel track [20:18] is there a good definition for the intent of a track? [20:18] i could turn the link off for everyone and if a track lead has bookmarked the url for create a meeting they can use it [20:18] balloons: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/tracks [20:18] cjohnston: the track leads who care do. [20:19] do you see any problems with any of the server/cloud sessions? NOPE. :) [20:19] this is the first feedback ive gotten [20:19] well, balloons is new [20:19] and steve assumes that all track leads run things the same way [20:20] I blame balloons for not creating a checkbox app for this [20:20] he just doesn't realize that he wants to send a runner to michelle [20:20] instead of open scheduling [20:20] he just wasn't around when we tried that and UDS almost fell apart. [20:20] I remember some of those times where people just moved stuff [20:20] yeah, entire rooms being wrong, etc. [20:20] inconveniencing 5 people is the lesser evil [20:20] and thats why in the middle of the night you started removing access then just did rm -rf * [20:21] and other than adhoc sessions if you square away your schedule before you even get to UDS, those should be rare issues. [20:21] yup [20:21] seriously, we published the open scheduling thing like a month ago [20:21] and there is always a summit meeting.. attend it [20:21] heh [20:21] if you show up on monday moring (DX did this all the time), then your UDS will suck [20:22] jcastro, what do you mean this is new? [20:22] cjohnston, summit is nice.. could you imagine life without it? [20:22] balloons: yes, I can.. [20:22] you can always remind them of the alternative.. hehe [20:22] I would sleep at night [20:22] balloons: no I mean you're new, so it's natural for you to assume that scheduling things by hand as a track lead would work. [20:22] I can have a peacefull night [20:22] I would have hair again [20:23] ohh. no, no.. lol [20:23] My blueprints are 5 months old [20:23] I was just echoing some of his concerns [20:23] for this UDS [20:23] the auto-schedule is sane.. me being able to move beforehand has been nice [20:23] thats the way it is [20:23] basically it sounds like the "i am essential" button is just abused [20:23] balloons: what you want to do is have it 90% done before you leave [20:23] yes [20:23] and everything else is just papering over it [20:24] so when you show up at UDS you're doing exception handling, not scheduling [20:24] balloons: one thing to think about.. if you manually schedule a meeting, the autoscheduler will not move it again.. so this can create issues [20:24] if too many meetings get hand scheduled [20:24] cjohnston, :-( [20:24] that's sad [20:24] i did it will almost all of mine [20:24] they got clumped up on one day [20:24] right [20:24] not ideal for me [20:24] cause there are so few [20:24] that they are going it [20:25] the scheduler starts looking at monday at 9am [20:25] yea.. it was weird tho [20:25] it put them all on weds [20:25] despite space on the previous days [20:25] heh [20:25] balloons: yeah so this is the evening out I talk about in that mail [20:25] you want to open up all your days [20:25] and even things out [20:25] maybe just peopple availability [20:25] and if you do it nowish you'll be set [20:25] anyways.. they are evened out [20:25] have been since last week [20:25] good good [20:26] * cjohnston goes to mess with balloons sessions [20:26]