[08:03] <rye> hi, re: bug #977922  - now when I switch dash from fullscreen to normal, the background of everything but dash becomes black
[08:14] <rye> here's what I am talking about - http://ubuntuone.com/56gFFqC5zESWKcwbKt7K0a
[08:16] <rye> thomi: morning, do you happen to know if andyrock is going to be here today? I can't find him in directory for some reason :-/
[08:17] <rye> or evening :)
[08:57] <mhr3> thomi, ping?
[10:42] <Guest35537> hi
[11:30] <sbte> kamstrup, hi, did the LauncherEntry DBus api change in 12.04?
[11:40] <kamstrup> sbte: nope
[11:52] <sbte> kamstrup, because there are some apps that don't show the count thingy anymore
[11:52] <sbte> any idea what could have caused that?
[11:55] <kamstrup> sbte: in both u3d and u2d?
[11:56] <kamstrup> and which apps?
[11:56] <sbte> kamstrup, didn't test 2d
[11:56] <sbte> and emesene and xchat at least
[12:04] <kamstrup> sbte: can you ping me?
[12:05] <sbte> kamstrup, when?
[12:05] <kamstrup> sbte: now was fine :-)
[12:06] <kamstrup> sbte: just wanted to check xchat-gnome
[12:06] <kamstrup> count definitely works there
[12:06] <kamstrup> as just observed :-)
[12:07] <kamstrup> sbte: is it xchat sans the -gnome that you mean?
[12:08] <sbte> kamstrup, yes, and with xchat-indicator
[12:08] <sbte> it worked fine in 11.10. Same for emesene
[12:09] <kamstrup> sbte: xchat+indicator definitely works here on 12.04, have you double checked that the update didn't disable the plugin or something?
[12:09] <sbte> kamstrup, xchat also sits in the messaging menu, so...
[12:09] <kamstrup> sbte: for emesene it's more odd, you're using a custom protocol impl right?
[12:09] <sbte> kamstrup, yes
[12:10] <sbte> thought we're working hard on porting emesene to gi
[12:10] <kamstrup> mhr3: ^^ any idea what gives?
[12:10] <sbte> it's just that gobject is too buggy
[12:11] <sbte> kamstrup, maybe I'm missing some dependency, but I would find that odd, because I did a fresh install
[12:12] <mhr3> xchat works fine here as well
[12:12] <mhr3> so does thunderbird
[12:12] <sbte> mhr3, thunderbird works fine for me too
[12:12] <mhr3> ie no signs of us breaking it without us knowing :)
[12:13] <kamstrup> sbte: have you looked at dbus-monitor and asserted that the correct messages are being send by emesene?
[12:13] <mhr3> sbte, i'd say xchat's config is a bit flaky i had it once "forget" that it should be using ssl...
[12:13] <sbte> kamstrup, well, if the api didn't change and emesene worked in 11.10, then I assumed it should work in 12.04 too
[12:17] <sbte> kamstrup, dbus-monitor doesn't seem emesene send anything
[12:17] <mhr3> that would be the problem
[12:18] <sbte> I tried this
[12:18] <sbte> dbus-send --session --print-reply --reply-timeout=2000 --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames | grep Unity
[12:18] <sbte> but that doesn't list the LauncherEntry stuff either
[12:22] <sbte> oh, I was still running an emesene version without unity support leftover from the gtk3 testing
[12:22] <sbte> let's see dbus-monitor again
[12:23] <sbte> mhr3, kamstrup now it does see it send something
[12:24] <sbte> signal sender=:1.226 -> dest=(null destination) serial=20 path=/; interface=com.canonical.Unity.LauncherEntry; member=Update
[12:24] <sbte>    string "application://emesene.desktop"
[12:24] <sbte>    array [
[12:24] <sbte>       dict entry(
[12:24] <sbte>          string "count"
[12:24] <sbte>          variant             int64 1
[12:24] <sbte>       )
[12:24] <sbte>       dict entry(
[12:24] <sbte>          string "urgent"
[12:24] <sbte>          variant             boolean true
[12:24] <sbte>       )
[12:24] <sbte>       dict entry(
[12:24] <sbte>          string "count-visible"
[12:24] <sbte>          variant             boolean true
[12:24] <sbte>       )
[12:24] <sbte>    ]
[12:26] <mhr3> sbte, i see two possibilities - the desktop id doesn't match, or you close the :1.226 dbus connection
[12:27] <sbte> mhr3, since it doesn't work for xchat either, isn't it just that I miss some package?
[12:31] <mhr3> sbte, dbus-send --session --print-reply --reply-timeout=2000 --type=method_call --dest=org.ayatana.bamf /org/ayatana/bamf/matcher org.ayatana.bamf.matcher.RunningApplicationsDesktopFiles
[12:32] <sbte> mhr3, string "/usr/share/app-install/desktop/emesene:emesene.desktop"
[12:32] <sbte> same for xchat string "/usr/share/app-install/desktop/xchat:xchat.desktop"
[12:32] <mhr3> Trevinho, how can that happen? ^^
[12:35] <Trevinho> sbte, mhr3: weird....
[12:36] <Trevinho> sbte: locate emesene.desktop what gives you out?
[12:36] <mhr3> sbte, and what's your XDG_DATA_DIRS?
[12:36] <Trevinho> mhr3: ok
[12:36] <Trevinho> I found
[12:36] <sbte> wait, I have an idea
[12:36] <Trevinho> sbte: you're using this desktop: /usr/share/app-install/desktop/
[12:36] <sbte> I think I didn't remove the icons after the software center added them to the launcher
[12:36] <Trevinho> sbte: yes that's the issue
[12:37] <sbte> ok good
[12:37] <Trevinho> basically the sw center uses that .desktop file...
[12:37] <mhr3> Trevinho, so SC gives us bad desktop file path?
[12:37] <Trevinho> so... We have two ways. or we make the bamflaunchericon to update, once installed
[12:37] <mhr3> that's pretty bad
[12:37] <Trevinho> mhr3: yes
[12:38] <Trevinho> mhr3: it has not the real desktop yet
[12:38] <Trevinho> so... that happens
[12:38] <Trevinho> mhr3: we should update the .desktop file...
[12:38] <mhr3> Trevinho, i remember there being a signal when the install finishes, perhaps just hook into that and change it at that point?
[12:38] <Trevinho> mhr3: also we can make the remotelaunchericon to match also these desktop... (it's a workaround btw)
[12:39]  * mhr3 doesn't like workarounds :)
[12:40] <mhr3> sbte, could you open a bug with these findings?
[12:40] <sbte> mhr3, sure
[12:40] <Trevinho> mhr3: yes... me too.. but all the fixes are workarounds at this point.. since we'd need to use the bamf matcher and then find the application with the default .desktop file... and I don't like it too much
[12:41] <sbte> mhr3, agains what?
[12:41] <Trevinho> sbte: once you've opened it, ping me... I'll assign it to me..
[12:41] <mhr3> sbte, unity for now
[12:41] <sbte> mhr3, good, I have a bookmark for that :P
[12:41] <Trevinho> yes.. bamf is not the bad guy here.. :)
[12:42] <mhr3> Trevinho, that will happen more often once it has proper tests ;)
[12:42] <Trevinho> mhr3: yeah... I know, but we already made it a lot nicer in the last cycles..
[12:43] <mhr3> Trevinho, sure, i'm just nagging :)
[12:43] <Trevinho> :)
[12:47] <sbte> Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/991926
[12:47] <sbte> mhr3, Trevinho thanks for looking into this ;)
[13:51] <guest90> what is it called that switches apps with alt-tab ?
[13:55] <guest90> I want to know if it has any settings. It's too big, visual switch feedback is poor...
[13:56] <Daekdroom> What do you mean by visual switch feedback?
[13:59] <guest90> I don't feel the necessary feedback as I press tab. Unselected app icons are too prominent, the current one does not visually step forward as much as I'd expected...
[14:01] <guest90> the whole thing almost covers full width on my laptop, that's too much. I don't need to watch some animation fullscreen. I just want to switch apps.
[14:03] <guest90> the highlight on current app is not enough on that scale. others are still too colorful, and too big.
[14:47] <bcisco> unity sucks. you need to drop the project and go back to gnome ot KDE.
[15:09] <belak> I've been having issues assigning the keybind Super-Shift-Right to anything... I checked in xev and when I hold down Super and Shift, the Right key doesn't show up... but it does in all other instances
[15:59] <rye> hello, may I poke andyrock about bug #977922, here's what I see when maximizing and then minimizing dash- http://ubuntuone.com/56gFFqC5zESWKcwbKt7K0a
[16:00] <Trevinho> rye: that's another issue...
[16:00] <Trevinho> rye: it was present before too :(
[16:01] <Trevinho> rye: I don't know if there's already a report about that, but I noticed since the background blurring change... Try to poke racarr about that ;)
[16:01] <rye> Trevinho: uhm, i haven't experienced this since november on precise...
[16:02] <rye> racarr: hello, I am poking you because of this - http://ubuntuone.com/56gFFqC5zESWKcwbKt7K0a - noticed after updating to propose (not present in current unity in precise)
[16:02] <Trevinho> rye: here it has always happened switching from restored to maximized dash... Generally it only happens for few ms...
[16:03] <rye> Trevinho: I have to disagree since I've done multiple restore/maximize cycles when filing the original blurring report
[16:06] <Trevinho> rye: well... it didn't work for me... :)
[16:07] <rye> downgrading unity, will see what happens
[16:10] <rye> Trevinho: veerry interesting, see it now for a fraction with unity downgraded... checking for other unity components
[16:46] <Guest79689> hi all
[16:59] <Guest79689> Has anyone found an easy way of installing the new ubuntu without the dammed unity desktop?  I need it to be gnome as usual, which is ther point of ubuntu isn't it?
[17:00] <Daekdroom> Guest79689, try #ubuntu
[17:01] <Guest79689> People are going to know more about unity here, aren't they?
[17:01] <Daekdroom> Yeah. But your question is not quite about Unity, and more of a general Ubuntu question.
[17:02] <Daekdroom> and #ubuntu has many more people looking at the channel, therefore higher chances you'll get an answer.
[17:03] <Guest79689> ok, fair enough. thanks
[17:36] <andyrock> rye, it's a different issue
[17:37] <rye> andyrock: ok, do you happen to know the bug #? because now it is really apparent
[17:37]  * rye hopes that's the right word
[17:38] <andyrock> rye, not sure there is already a lp bug about it
[17:46]  * rye tries to come up with a description
[17:54] <racarr> rye: Hi. Sorry for late response. Busy in meetings all day. I think this is actually related to a change that landed right after the blur rendering change...if there's some more indication that this introduced it though I will try and take a second look soon to see if that could have caused it
[17:55] <racarr> Don't actively work on unity/nux so haven't been tracking it
[17:59] <rye> racarr: do you happen to know what component is it? I downgraded unity and nux and found the millisecond appearance of that border (which is still something I don't believe i have experienced earlier)
[17:59]  * rye recalls he has another laptop
[18:12] <racarr> rye: No, sorry. my guess would be it's in Nux...it would be difficult to bisect the change for nux v. unity though because of API breaks so someone will just have
[18:12] <racarr> to dig through the code
[18:53] <jkd> Hi, are any developers around? I'm looking for a bit of help regarding moving the launcher to the right side.
[18:55] <jkd> I added this to Launcher::Resize    new_geometry.x = geo.x + geo.width - width
[18:56] <jkd> That moves the launcher to the right edge, but Compiz seems to think the workarea is to the right of the launcher (ie zero size), and window maximization gets messed up. Any insight into how to resolve this would be super helpful! :)
[19:15] <aleprovencio> hello guys, is there any workaround to make c-m behave as enter in unity, as seen in emacs gtk-key-theme?
[19:17] <bschaefer> thomi, heey, just tested something...and got some interesting results...with the ibus test
[19:17] <thomi> bschaefer: ? cool!
[19:18] <bschaefer> those anthy test are failing because ctrl+space isn't working. I thought that since the Anthy test run first that could be the problem
[19:18] <bschaefer> buut
[19:18] <bschaefer> I commented them out and all the test pass (pretty much)
[19:18] <thomi> that's very odd
[19:19] <bschaefer> so the problem seems to be specific to the anthy test...
[19:19] <bschaefer> but the anthy engine is active haha
[19:19] <bschaefer> I added a logger to print that
[19:19] <thomi> bschaefer: OK. Have you pushed your changes to the debug branch on LP?
[19:19] <bschaefer> thomi, I just removed the test that commented out the anthy ones
[19:20] <thomi> cool, OK. I doubt I'll get a chance to look at them today - I need to pack my bags before I get picked up for the airport
[19:20] <bschaefer> so it is back to normal, I also tried to shorten the key press timer to fix those other failures but that didn't help that much
[19:21] <bschaefer> thomi, yeah no worries, just wanted to update you on it!
[19:21] <bschaefer> Ill be working on that and Ill also dig into that crash you got with the AP test
[19:21] <thomi> thanks!
[19:21] <bschaefer> thomi, do you know where it crashed at?
[19:21] <thomi> no idea :(
[19:21] <thomi> I onl;y noticed right at the end of the day
[19:21] <bschaefer> alright, no worries I have time :)
[19:22] <bschaefer> Ill see if I can find it and Ill post a gdb backtrace
[19:22] <bschaefer> or Ill just reply to that email
[19:22] <thomi> cheers
[19:22] <bschaefer> have a good packing/traveling trip! Enjoy the west coast :)
[19:39] <jkd> How can I debug unity/nux with gdb?
[20:09] <bschaefer> jkd, the easiest way is to go to a tty and type "unity --advanced-debug"
[20:12] <jkd> bschaefer: thanks!
[20:13] <bschaefer> no problem!
[20:13] <jkd> way better than printf debugging ;)
[20:15] <bschaefer> haha  I still use printf!
[20:17] <jeffrash> What happened to the Dodge feature?
[20:31] <thomi> jeffrash: It was removed a while ago in the precise cycle. It didn't test well with new users.
[20:48] <malin> jeffrash: I think there is a way to get it back here: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/04/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[20:54] <aleprovencio> hello guys, is there any workaround to make c-m behave as enter in unity, as seen in emacs gtk-key-theme?
[20:59] <jkd> aleprovencio: Does this help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/24916/how-do-i-remap-certain-keys
[21:03] <aleprovencio> jkd, yes, but this way i cannot have c-m mapped to anything else but enter throughout the system, and not just unity :/ maybe this is my only resort?
[21:09] <jkd> Sorry, not sure. :)
[21:26] <jkd> Is Nux only used by Unity currently?
[23:19] <penguiin> hey all
[23:22] <penguiin> anyone know much about customising unity?