| rick_h_ | snap-l: congrats | 00:12 |
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| snap-l | And my second wind just went teletubbie bye bye | 01:04 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 10:54 |
| smoser | rick_h_, i show up in the west wednesday evening | 13:07 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: yea sorry, should have asked the more direct question of if you were around for Penguicon | 13:08 |
| rick_h_ | I thought you might be out west already | 13:08 |
| smoser | no. i cant be at penguicon. | 13:08 |
| rick_h_ | heh, too scary? | 13:09 |
| brousch | rick_h_: did you survive without getting groped? | 13:09 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, survived. I did a hit/run approach. Stuck to tech events | 13:10 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: How did your presentation go? How was PC? | 13:11 |
| rick_h_ | it went ok, I don't think too many people are going to go home and code YUI, but a few people seemed to find it informmative | 13:12 |
| rick_h_ | PC was cool, hun out with some friends, good dinner friday night | 13:12 |
| shakes808 | yui? is there anything that you don't know? | 13:13 |
| shakes808 | That is good. I wish I could have made it out. Next year I will try to :D | 13:14 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I don't know a ton, but I try to know about most things in web-dev. I'm a big YUI fan, we use it for launchpad and it's now powering bookie | 13:14 |
| rick_h_ | yea, hopefully we'll get the tech content moving upwards | 13:14 |
| shakes808 | why do you like YUI over JQuery? | 13:16 |
| rick_h_ | heh, it's a more comlete JS solution for apps while jquery is one small part of a suite of tools you need | 13:16 |
| brousch | rick_h_: does penguicon record the presentations? | 13:17 |
| rick_h_ | no, unfortunately not | 13:17 |
| rick_h_ | and I brought my handy h1 to at least do audio, but forgot to start it in the rush to get setup ;? | 13:17 |
| rick_h_ | :/ | 13:17 |
| rick_h_ | bah, monday can't type day | 13:17 |
| brousch | that's ok. my brain is full of snot from some illness today. i already stole my wife's keys and had to drive back home so she could go to work | 13:18 |
| rick_h_ | hah, ouch | 13:18 |
| brousch | and i have to give a presentation and sit on a panel in front of 90 people | 13:18 |
| brousch | i will take a sudafed, but it might make my heart explode | 13:19 |
| shakes808 | brousch: for what? | 13:20 |
| brousch | mobile michigan grand rapids | 13:20 |
| shakes808 | Oh, you were talking about that the other day, that they were making you do it or something like that. | 13:21 |
| brousch | they asked. i accepted. then an hour later this cold thing started coming on | 13:21 |
| snap-l | Good morning again. :) | 13:27 |
| shakes808 | good morning | 13:27 |
| snap-l | PC was awesome. | 13:27 |
| brousch | i looked at yui a few years ago and it seemed so incredibly huge compared to other things like jquery | 13:33 |
| brousch | like the zope of javascript | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | think of it like the django of JS | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | vs wsgi == jquery | 13:34 |
| Milyardo | Zope? Huge? No way :) | 13:34 |
| Milyardo | At least Zope isn't JBoss | 13:35 |
| Milyardo | >.> | 13:35 |
| brousch | i don't think anything is as big as jboss | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, I know YUI seems 'big' when you get into it, but then again it's because it supplies the tools and practices you should be doing with any JS you use | 13:52 |
| rick_h_ | not to mention that YUI would be == jquery, underscore.js, history.js, backbone, qunit, requirejs, and more | 13:53 |
| rick_h_ | so if i gave you all those in one swoop you'd feel it was 'huge' as well | 13:53 |
| brousch | i am bad. i treat javascript like i used to treat php. just copy/paste whatever works and patch it in | 13:53 |
| rick_h_ | right, so you're a bad JS developer, and that's what I tried to get across in my talk | 13:53 |
| rick_h_ | only two people in the room have tests of their JS which is just stupid | 13:54 |
| rick_h_ | so yea, if you're just scripting crap, jquery lets you do that easier than YUI, enjoy what you get out of it | 13:54 |
| brousch | i wrote a little javascript. it drove me into a rage when it differed from python | 13:54 |
| rick_h_ | yea, you have to learn to appreciate JS | 13:54 |
| rick_h_ | a bit part of my talk was promoting event style programming, it's kind of hte 'aha!' moment for doing JS dev | 13:55 |
| rick_h_ | until you get there it seems more mess than useful I think | 13:55 |
| brousch | it does so many different things and many people just slap it all in one file. your ajax handlers with your slideshow | 13:57 |
| snap-l | Wonder if game development might get people more into the event-driven mindset. | 13:57 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: definitely, or even old school VB dev where you have UI driven by events | 13:57 |
| snap-l | since it's all about "this happened, do this" | 13:57 |
| rick_h_ | but that's the thing, most of JS is all about UI and people try to do it like a top to bottom script vs events/interactions | 13:58 |
| snap-l | Yeah, you'll run into a world of pain that way. | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | go ask John about that action planner tool, it's got one init method and everything else works via disconnected events which makes it very easy to test and to expand upon | 13:59 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, I understand the opinion of people on YUI, but the thing to notice is that they're rarely made by people that have actually used it for a decent project | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | just as I don't see vim users that have gotten used to it hate on it so | 14:01 |
| brousch | i'm not ignorant. i just don't know nothin! | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 14:01 |
| brousch | you see the pyohio call for proposals? | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I've got to figer out what to present :/ | 14:03 |
| brousch | snap-l needs to speak this year | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | nothing at work really interesting | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | debating on doing my Make talk | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | or maybe go inspirational somehow | 14:03 |
| brousch | nothing in launchpad is interesting? | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | no...pretty much nothing :P | 14:03 |
| brousch | testing would be good. destroy all doctests | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | the dev practice might be | 14:04 |
| brousch | i may go through my parts of a web framework thing and see if it can be a talk | 14:07 |
| brousch | might be good for that beginner's track | 14:08 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I'll think of something. Maybe try to do two talks this year vs a tutorial | 14:10 |
| brousch | the tutorial was good | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but a lot of work and the temp fail was kind of a bummer | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | I'm lazy :P | 14:11 |
| brousch | more work than a talk? | 14:12 |
| rick_h_ | yea, definitely | 14:12 |
| brousch | it was long | 14:12 |
| rick_h_ | long, but the homework bits, etc | 14:12 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: we hit someone lol https://twitter.com/#!/passy/statuses/194702325976285185 | 14:14 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: That is awesome. :) | 14:23 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: The Wednesday CHC meetings, is there ever an itinerary? or just come and wing it? | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | whatever you want to work on | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: sometimes we try to do something, we watching YUIConf videos one time | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | but generally free for all, just dedicated time for your stuff | 14:58 |
| shakes808 | alright, that's cool. I am excited to come check it out and actually meet the famous rick_h_ :P | 14:59 |
| rick_h_ | ummmm...ok | 15:00 |
| shakes808 | sorry, I my sarcasim / facetiousness probably doesn't convey well throught text lol | 15:01 |
| rick_h_ | ok, snap-l will probbly know this...but who the @#$#@ is Ze Frank and why is everyone all giddy over his youtube stuff/on triagulation (which yea I should just listen to i guess) | 15:09 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Ze Frank did a podcast called "Ze Show with Ze Frank", which was an episode a day | 15:13 |
| snap-l | it started getting it's own memes and stuff | 15:13 |
| snap-l | Sorry, it's The Show with Ze Frank | 15:14 |
| rick_h_ | so how did he get all into the tech people fawning over him? Did he actually do something famous or just crazy crap on the web? | 15:14 |
| snap-l | http://www.zefrank.com/thewiki/Main_Page | 15:14 |
| snap-l | He got a lot of people engaged into a community with interesting content | 15:15 |
| snap-l | It was inspirational for a lot of folks to get off their own ass and start making awesome stuff | 15:15 |
| snap-l | He's quite creative, which manifested itself in The Show | 15:17 |
| snap-l | I know that's probably a very unsatisfying answer, but it's hard to summarize. | 15:18 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I gotcha. | 15:19 |
| rick_h_ | was hoping to short cut and get at the 'wtf is with this' but seeing an episode/two of his stuff didn't mke it clear | 15:19 |
| rick_h_ | and the stuff like that, long lists of what he did doesn't get at the heart of the attraction | 15:19 |
| rick_h_ | seems very 'had to be there' kind of thing I guess | 15:19 |
| snap-l | http://www.zefrank.com/thewiki/the_show:_05-02-06 | 15:20 |
| snap-l | This is one of our favorite episodes. | 15:20 |
| brousch | wow, Corey Doctrow is talking nice about ubuntu unity | 15:59 |
| rick_h_ | sweet, linky? | 16:00 |
| brousch | https://twitter.com/#!/doctorow | 16:01 |
| greg-g | huh, he's using Unity 2D not normal Unity? | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | very cool, that's the impression I'm hearing from a lot of people. I'm hoping it's starting to have people give it a chance | 16:10 |
| rick_h_ | says the man who refuses to run unity in daily use lol | 16:11 |
| greg-g | it should give PEOPLE a chance | 16:11 |
| * greg-g sing "Give peace a chance" | 16:11 | |
| greg-g | sings* | 16:11 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 16:11 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: man, got proper bike shirt/shorts... <3 | 16:11 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: whoa! nice! | 16:11 |
| greg-g | also, you went to the gym today? | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | look like an idiot glow in the dark and all, but great riding | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: yea, I've been tring to bike more, gym is hard to do getting up 5:30am | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | but trying to get back to it | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | rainy today so no bike ride | 16:12 |
| greg-g | yeah, when Carrie and I did our bike tour 2 summers ago, we wore uber bike geek clothing. Out in the middle of michigan on country roads and you need it :) | 16:12 |
| * rick_h_ has grown back some of my previous losses, like the stock market | 16:12 | |
| rick_h_ | yea, the long back on the shirt, tight wrists, pockets, etc. very nice | 16:13 |
| greg-g | I can't parse that last one | 16:13 |
| greg-g | re stock market | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | just that I've gained lbs from being bad | 16:13 |
| greg-g | ahh, I see | 16:13 |
| greg-g | diet debt, or something ;) | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | so back to trying to do more than bike a few times a week | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | get up early, gym + bike, etc | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, the bike shorts were really comfy, suprisingly not too hot/too cool in my two rides so far | 16:14 |
| snap-l | God, Oracle needs to find a clue | 16:14 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 16:14 |
| snap-l | I agreed to their stupid license terms for the extension pack already | 16:15 |
| snap-l | why do I need to agree again? | 16:15 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: yeah, I like 'em. Can't get myself to wear them on the commute, but otherwise they're the best | 16:15 |
| greg-g | snap-l: so they can sue you later | 16:15 |
| snap-l | Oh, wait, it's because Oracle might change them later. | 16:15 |
| greg-g | :) | 16:15 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: yea, I think there's a 8-10mi min distance requirement for looking that stupid to me | 16:15 |
| snap-l | Haven't we already determined that click-through licenses are unenforcable? | 16:16 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: :) yeah, and the 3/40mile bike/train split doesn't cut it | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: heh, yea. Sitting a train like that with the glow inthe dark "look at me" yellow colors might be a bit uncomfy to sit throgh | 16:17 |
| snap-l | greg-g is a natural exhibitionist. :) | 16:18 |
| greg-g | snap-l: no comment | 16:19 |
| rick_h_ | hey, I do think I get noticed more which is good for safety for sure | 16:19 |
| greg-g | word | 16:19 |
| snap-l | If it's between me looking like an idiot, or getting a door prize, I'll take idiot. | 16:20 |
| snap-l | WHich is why I have streamers on my bike | 16:21 |
| snap-l | because I am a pretty princess. | 16:21 |
| rick_h_ | hah! | 16:21 |
| rick_h_ | take the flag from the boy's trailer and strap it to my back | 16:21 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA18oKFDW5c <- Blare this | 16:23 |
| greg-g | snap-l is a pretty princess | 16:24 |
| rick_h_ | jodee likes to have her princess happy :P | 16:25 |
| snap-l | hah | 16:25 |
| snap-l | I don't understand how a publisher can declare they're going DRM free, yet have no direct way to purchase ebooks without a reseller that by default uses DRM. | 17:00 |
| snap-l | That's pathetic. | 17:00 |
| rick_h_ | that's a tough one | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | I mean, it's one less stopping block and good for them, but yea...real effect == nill | 17:02 |
| snap-l | It shows just how screwed the publishers really are | 17:06 |
| snap-l | unless they create their own stores, they're powerless against Amazon, Apple et. al. | 17:06 |
| rick_h_ | the thing is that it's never been easier to setup stores/etc and get to your consumers | 17:08 |
| snap-l | ding ding ding | 17:08 |
| rick_h_ | look at pragmatic press | 17:08 |
| snap-l | When Tor had their free PDFs, I was eagerly waiting for them to open their store | 17:09 |
| snap-l | then they just opened up a "Brand new website" with forums and other nonsense, and no books. | 17:09 |
| snap-l | It's like giving out free samples of ice cream, and then opening up a photo gallery of ice cream | 17:10 |
| rick_h_ | tough though because really distributers are their 'customers' and they'd be going into competition with themselves in a way | 17:11 |
| snap-l | It takes some doing, but I've seen game publishers strike a pretty good balance | 17:11 |
| snap-l | They treat the game stores as partners, not as adversaries. | 17:12 |
| snap-l | Steve Jackson distributes the core Munchkin sets to B&N, Target and others | 17:12 |
| snap-l | but the expansion packs are in the local game stores. | 17:12 |
| snap-l | and game stores will also get promo items | 17:12 |
| snap-l | They could put in codes for free ebooks when you buy hardcopy | 17:13 |
| snap-l | or do what apress does and have the purchaser take a quick test to see if they have a copy on-hand | 17:13 |
| snap-l | and upgrade for $10 | 17:13 |
| snap-l | There's ways to make it so customers don't feel like suckers. | 17:14 |
| brousch | momogr geekers just emailed me to tell me i have too many slides in my presentation | 17:39 |
| brousch | i didn't send them my notes, so they are just judging by the number of slides | 17:40 |
| brousch | wtf | 17:40 |
| snap-l | brousch: How many slides do you have? They may be using the calculation 5 min * # of slides | 17:41 |
| snap-l | but yeah, that's pretty silly. | 17:41 |
| brousch | 30 sildes for 15 mins | 17:41 |
| brousch | but 1/4 of them are just links for when they're posted with no real speaking content | 17:42 |
| snap-l | They're not using an ignite-based style of presenting, are they? | 17:42 |
| rick_h_ | that is tough, 30s per slide is going to be a tight average | 17:42 |
| brousch | only 1 lolcat! | 17:42 |
| snap-l | Maybe they're hoping you'll drop the lolcat. | 17:42 |
| brousch | heh | 17:42 |
| brousch | possible | 17:42 |
| snap-l | Leaves no time for q&a either | 17:42 |
| brousch | no poop! | 17:42 |
| brousch | there's a panel afterwards for q&a | 17:43 |
| brousch | ah well, it's arranged such that i can drop off the last 1/3 if i have to | 17:43 |
| brousch | starting at about the cat | 17:43 |
| brousch | 5 min/ slide would suck | 17:45 |
| brousch | but its wierd. i haven't had anyone tell me my talk was wrong before i gave it | 17:48 |
| snap-l | Maybe they have the ability to see into the future, and take corrective measures. | 17:50 |
| brousch | heh | 18:00 |
| snap-l | Man, I love the last track in this latest episode of OMC | 18:43 |
| snap-l | Just absolutely nuts on the drums | 18:43 |
| brousch | sounds painful | 18:47 |
| greg-g | hah, I do 60 in 15 minutes when I do "what is CC?" talks | 18:51 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I think everyone in CC learns the lessig presentation method | 19:02 |
| snap-l | It's almost like stop-motion | 19:02 |
| greg-g | :) | 19:02 |
| brousch | 27" 2560x1440 monitor showed up today | 19:03 |
| brousch | big hog | 19:03 |
| snap-l | brousch: WElcome to inadequate video card benchmarking. :) | 19:04 |
| brousch | heh, not for me. for the 3d modeling guys | 19:04 |
| brousch | i can't find anything in my office to run it at full res | 19:04 |
| rick_h_ | hah nice | 19:04 |
| snap-l | xonotic might be able to run full res. | 19:05 |
| snap-l | but the textures might not be up to it | 19:05 |
| brousch | wow, this thing is almost exactly 3x my laptop's resolution | 19:08 |
| snap-l | Hmm, pyweek is next week | 19:19 |
| snap-l | it's nto the same week as Penguicon, for a change. | 19:20 |
| rick_h_ | pyweek? the game comp? | 19:20 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 19:20 |
| shakes808 | Who is participating in PyWeek? | 19:55 |
| snap-l | I might | 19:55 |
| shakes808 | have you previous? | 19:55 |
| snap-l | Yeah, in 4, 5, and 6 | 19:59 |
| snap-l | Unfortunately, 6 kinda burned me out | 19:59 |
| snap-l | and whenever I thought about it again, it was either during Penguicon, or something else came up | 19:59 |
| shakes808 | gotcha | 20:26 |
| brousch | SSD came in. hopefully i can install it tonight after the meeting | 20:59 |
| snap-l | Hm, maybe I should go that route for my 12.04 install | 21:00 |
| snap-l | get a new HDD, and do some drive shuffling | 21:00 |
| snap-l | I need a bigger drive anyway. | 21:01 |
| shakes808 | Have a good one all | 21:01 |
| snap-l | laternes.s | 21:01 |
| brousch | snap-l: ssd | 21:03 |
| brousch | 12.04 is still snappy on this old dell | 21:04 |
| brousch | manufactured in 2006 | 21:04 |
| snap-l | no chc for me kn wed | 22:39 |
| snap-l | got a graduation.to go to | 22:39 |
| snap-l | Sarah is graduating | 22:40 |
| snap-l | which is awesome | 22:41 |
| snap-l | also Swype is cool | 22:41 |
| rick_h_ | booooo but cooooool | 22:42 |
| rick_h_ | and yes, swype is cool, I still use slideit I think, can't recall the name I guess | 22:42 |
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